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renstar
May 17th, 2012, 11:49 AM
the pace of this is unbelievable for those that think tennis today is so much more power etc than matches in the past, its like its in fast motion.

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Mynarco
May 17th, 2012, 11:50 AM
I cannot see the ball :help:

renstar
May 17th, 2012, 11:52 AM
I cannot see the ball :help:

yeah the quality of older tv broadcasts is crap compared to todays high definition

Wozzilroy
May 17th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Funny thing for me is, HOW QUIET Monica Seles now sounds compared to todays flock

Rest Maria!
May 17th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Funny thing for me is, HOW QUIET Monica Seles now sounds compared to todays flock

:haha:
I thought about the same thing.

Sam L
May 17th, 2012, 12:46 PM
the pace of this is unbelievable for those that think tennis today is so much more power etc than matches in the past, its like its in fast motion.

hAJ2VQZP9Gs

This is the standard setting match for modern tennis. A classic! :worship:

Shonami Slam
May 17th, 2012, 12:51 PM
the coury us also helping- ball bounce and comfort hitting zone are suitable for unlashing, plus they are goats, and the surface plays a good pace.


take a good day na and kvitova and place them there and then and itll look golden too, not to take away from this lovely gem. thank you.

pov
May 17th, 2012, 12:58 PM
Funny thing for me is, HOW QUIET Monica Seles now sounds compared to todays flock
Broadcast and recording audio has progressed a lot since 1991. Even the mics used today are often more sensitive.

Marcus1979
May 17th, 2012, 01:01 PM
is the thread title a question? If SO I put Venus/Sharapova Wimbledon SF in 2005 up there

tennisbum79
May 17th, 2012, 01:03 PM
Venus-Serena; Venus-Maria; Serena-Maria; Davenport-Serena; Serena-Capriati

Marcus1979
May 17th, 2012, 01:03 PM
:haha:
I thought about the same thing.


Remember Navy complained about Monicas grunting in 1991 or 1992 and she meekly lost to Graf without her grunts. (I think it was the year she won 3 of the slams and reached the final at Wimbledon)

Wozzilroy
May 17th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Broadcast and recording audio has progressed a lot since 1991. Even the mics used today are often more sensitive.

Also, my hearings not as good as it once was, which reminds me. I have a appointment for the ENT clinic next Monday, thanks!

Sammo
May 17th, 2012, 01:09 PM
Sharapova-Serena in Wimbledon 2010 was 10 times more powerful than that. Many more matches were.

volta
May 17th, 2012, 01:11 PM
Venus - Sprem Berlin 2004. The way they were both hitting it was insane, not to mention that it was on clay

Queenpova
May 17th, 2012, 01:15 PM
I refuse to watch non HD matches, useless

Chip.
May 17th, 2012, 01:17 PM
Venus-Serena; Venus-Maria; Serena-Maria; Davenport-Serena; Serena-Capriati

I miss this rivalry so much :tears:

bbjpa
May 17th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Nobody knows, recent Medina-Guarrigues/Wozniacki match was not streamed :oh:

Belmont Lad
May 17th, 2012, 01:44 PM
Yes, innumerable.

ClijstersGOAT
May 17th, 2012, 02:50 PM
I refuse to watch non HD matches, useless

Your post is useless.

Great match.

erschloy214
May 17th, 2012, 03:15 PM
My fav match....I miss Jen!

Maddox
May 17th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Venus and Serena 2002 Wimbledon. Huge hitting particularly from Serena

John.
May 17th, 2012, 09:26 PM
One of my all time fav matches

tennisbum79
May 17th, 2012, 09:36 PM
I miss this rivalry so much :tears:
The Serena-Capriati rivalry was something to see, it never disappoints.
So many memorable matches at the USO.

The tension of the match even extends to the parents in the respective family boxes, not to mention the 2 players's body language on the court; full of conficence.
This is when Serean still had that up-right walk to her chair between changeover; Capriati was complaing about baby crying and would not serve(go in position to receive serve) until the f***&&ing baby shuts the hell up

And there were the bad calls that precipited the advent of hawkeye

Drama every minute of the match

Sharapowerr
May 17th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Venus - Maria 2005 Wimbledon SF

Charlatan
May 17th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Serena Venus Wimbledon 2008 Final
Venus Sharapova Wimbledon 2005 Semi Final
Clijsters Venus US Open 2005 Quarterfinal :worship:


Also PEAK PIERCE of course :toothy:

Leo St
May 17th, 2012, 09:42 PM
wozniacki radwanska doha 2011.. both forehand wings were on fire

Leo St
May 17th, 2012, 09:44 PM
Serena Venus Wimbledon 2008 Final
Venus Sharapova Wimbledon 2005 Final


:scared: dont steal us that davenport final

Sharapowerr
May 17th, 2012, 09:44 PM
wozniacki radwanska doha 2011.. both forehand wings were on fire

:bounce::bounce:

Charlatan
May 17th, 2012, 09:46 PM
:scared: dont steal us that davenport final

sorry, my mistake :o i'll fix it :p

JRena
May 17th, 2012, 09:46 PM
I quite like this one. Their matches that spanned 08-09 were pretty top notch.

GWH_AlmuZAk

madmax
May 17th, 2012, 09:46 PM
LOL.
I bet your casual Kvitova - Hradecka match on ANY surface is 10 times more powerfull than this one. Typical nostalgia tardism at it's finest - today's athletes hit bigger, faster and they do it on slower surfaces too.

davidmario
May 17th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Venus - Sprem Berlin 2004. The way they were both hitting it was insane, not to mention that it was on clay

this!

Leo St
May 17th, 2012, 09:50 PM
LOL.
I bet your casual Kvitova - Hradecka match on ANY surface is 10 times more powerfull than this one. Typical nostalgia tardism at it's finest - today's athletes hit bigger, faster and they do it on slower surfaces too.

todays racket allow that.. today i saw ivanovic and sharapova ball bashing with simple arm movements.. thats double T: technique and technology

LightWarrior
May 17th, 2012, 09:54 PM
LOL.
I bet your casual Kvitova - Hradecka match on ANY surface is 10 times more powerfull than this one. Typical nostalgia tardism at it's finest - today's athletes hit bigger, faster and they do it on slower surfaces too.

And with so many more errors. ;)

Dav.
May 17th, 2012, 09:56 PM
Venus - Sprem Berlin 2004. The way they were both hitting it was insane, not to mention that it was on clay
Their Wimbledon match as well.

And Davenport-Graf 99 Wimbledon.

renstar
May 17th, 2012, 10:33 PM
LOL.
I bet your casual Kvitova - Hradecka match on ANY surface is 10 times more powerfull than this one. Typical nostalgia tardism at it's finest - today's athletes hit bigger, faster and they do it on slower surfaces too.

Even today's commentators say this is one of the hardest hitting matches they have seen, such as Pam Shriver. You can see the extreme intensity and speed of arm movements that it was a watershed moment in women's power. Sure there has been matches in recent times that may have matched it in power, but in intensity probably not.

You are pretty hard to please, perhaps Raffa and Nole in dresses in a match may be enough power for u:lol:

Monica_Rules
May 17th, 2012, 10:33 PM
The match that changed womens tennis forever

faboozadoo15
May 17th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Sure there have been many many matches since that have had more power, but relative to the tennis of the era, this is easily the most powerful match. It was stunning back then. People couldn't believe it.

The Dawntreader
May 17th, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sure there have been many many matches since that have had more power, but relative to the tennis of the era, this is easily the most powerful match. It was stunning back then. People couldn't believe it.

Exactly. People had never seen shot-making of that ilk before, it was astonishing for the early 90's to have two shot-makers with that kind of thrilling aggression. Even Graf wasn't playing tennis like this.

I believe this was the blueprint for the century that followed, and it really set a high standard that the likes of Pierce, Davenport, Venus and Serena responded to.

bobcat
May 17th, 2012, 11:42 PM
Yeah it's all relative. Also consider they were, what, 16 years old?

mistymore
May 17th, 2012, 11:45 PM
Not really. It was a great match but there were numerous Graf-Seles and Graf-Navratilova matches that were both higher quality and more powerful-than that match. There were probably over 50 Navratilova-Evert matches that were higher quality tennis, albeit not overall harder hitting. Heck I think the Graf-Navratilova semifinal the same day was as good or better, but for some bizarre reasons goes underreported.

The Capriati hype machine tends to go overboard in all instances. Seles was up 6-3, 3-1, lost focus for a bit and turned what should have been a 6-3, 6-2 rout into a classic. Capriati also played a crap gift game when she should have served out the match at 5-4, but Seles earned the 6-5 game Capriati served for it.

Pebbles
May 17th, 2012, 11:49 PM
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Pierce, of course and before Elena's transition into a grinder.

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Exactly. People had never seen shot-making of that ilk before, it was astonishing for the early 90's to have two shot-makers with that kind of thrilling aggression. Even Graf wasn't playing tennis like this.

I believe this was the blueprint for the century that followed, and it really set a high standard that the likes of Pierce, Davenport, Venus and Serena responded to.

People were buzzing about this match for months, and they still rerun it in the states during rain delays.

Seles was also able to completely dismantle Navratilova in the final with phenominal tactics, which goes to show Seles wasn't just bashing the ball around the court with success. It didn't hurt that she had something like 28 winners to 5 errors. ;)

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2012, 12:42 AM
Not really. It was a great match but there were numerous Graf-Seles and Graf-Navratilova matches that were both higher quality and more powerful-than that match. There were probably over 50 Navratilova-Evert matches that were higher quality tennis, albeit not overall harder hitting. Heck I think the Graf-Navratilova semifinal the same day was as good or better, but for some bizarre reasons goes underreported.


You're crazy. That Graf/Nav match was a serving contest with boatloads of UE's and miscued shots. This Seles/Capriati match was electrifying.

Are you really saying that the average match (out of 80) between Navratilova and Evert had this type of quality?? No way Jose.

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2012, 12:44 AM
Capriati's semfinal against Justine was also glorious. I didn't have much of a vested interes in either player (was rooting for Jen as an American), but I've rarely been so glued to my seat.

Poor girl, a few points short against two legends. And Dementieva.

AcesHigh
May 18th, 2012, 12:46 AM
It's amazing what Capriati became in her second career. You would have expected her to be more of an aggressor as she developed.

Pops Maellard
May 18th, 2012, 12:48 AM
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Pierce, of course and before Elena's transition into a grinder.
This! This might be the hardest hitting WTA match ever :eek:.

Pierce cheated :o.

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2012, 12:51 AM
It's amazing what Capriati became in her second career. You would have expected her to be more of an aggressor as she developed.

To be fair, she played really aggressive tennis to win all her majors. Oddly, she didn't try to play like that more often, keeping the ball a meter within the lines and not picking up titles she was probably capable of.

duhcity
May 18th, 2012, 12:51 AM
I honestly think that's the level of pace that should have remained until today - racket tech should have stalled. Girls hit harder now, but their fitness hasn't caught up to the level that requires hitting that way consistently, which has led to injury and the devolution of point construction.

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2012, 12:56 AM
I think that it's more of an argument of strength versus technique. The girls now hit harder than ever, but their technique isn't nearly as good.

Technique used to be what separated pros from hacks. Now it's athleticism.

AcesHigh
May 18th, 2012, 12:59 AM
I think that it's more of an argument of strength versus technique. The girls now hit harder than ever, but their technique isn't nearly as good.

Technique used to be what separated pros from hacks. Now it's athleticism.

Sad but 100% true

ToopsTame
May 18th, 2012, 01:03 AM
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Pierce, of course and before Elena's transition into a grinder.

Amazing shots but matches like this (and others posted in the thread) probably ruined women's tennis. Today's error-prone ballbashers think they can go out there and play like this all the time, not realizing that they don't have one or more of the: speed, footwork, timing, consistency, coordination to pull it off. You can't plan a career around becoming Mary Pierce or Serena Williams. They are rare specimens and tailored their games to their own strengths.

LeRoy.
May 18th, 2012, 01:13 AM
That match was from 21 years ago people ! :eek: The level of hitting in this match was on par with the level we see today. Do you think anyone in 1970 was playing the way Seles and Capriati were in this match ? :eek:

ToopsTame
May 18th, 2012, 01:15 AM
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Another gem. You can barely see the ball but you can sure hear how cleanly both of them were hitting it.

So Disrespectful
May 18th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Imagine Seles with today's racquets.

The Dawntreader
May 18th, 2012, 01:28 AM
I think that it's more of an argument of strength versus technique. The girls now hit harder than ever, but their technique isn't nearly as good.

Technique used to be what separated pros from hacks. Now it's athleticism.

Even that facet of the game has diminished.

ToopsTame
May 18th, 2012, 01:36 AM
Imagine Seles with today's racquets.

Seles even learned the game with wooden racquets. Imagine if she'd been playing with an oversized modern frame all along.

faboozadoo15
May 18th, 2012, 02:05 AM
Even that facet of the game has diminished.

It's different now. Years ago, athleticism was measured by explosiveness, acceleration, agility, flexibility, and of course the strength to hit all day with a wooden racquet with a sweet spot the size of a silver dollar.

Now it's much more about physical strength, speed, and endurance. Even footwork has a ways to go these days.

mistymore
May 18th, 2012, 02:16 AM
You're crazy. That Graf/Nav match was a serving contest with boatloads of UE's and miscued shots. This Seles/Capriati match was electrifying.

Are you really saying that the average match (out of 80) between Navratilova and Evert had this type of quality?? No way Jose.

I would have to find them again but I recall the final winners/errors stats of the two semis having the Graf vs Navratilova semifinal having better stats than the Seles vs Capriati one. Also what is wrong with good serving and all court play. I will post them again if I find them. Just because Seles and Capriati couldnt serve like Graf (or even old Martina) or come to the net, doesnt mean it wasnt helpful to all around top play, or overall agressive play. The final score of the final also means nothing as Martina played WAY worse in the final than the semis, played a pretty shitty final to be honest, while Seles was sharper and much more perfect in the final than the semis, and Capriati wouldnt have even been in their semifinal match if Seles were playing that cleanly.

The match was a very good one but it built up into something more than it was. Normally a match with something like 8 service breaks in the 3rd set, both players losing serve like 3 times in a row each at one point, and the first 7 points of the tiebreak lost on serve, wouldnt be praised so highly. It would be how the women cant hold serve. Plus if you watch the match Seles was dominating the match, won the 1st set pretty easy, was up early in the 2nd, and it was only a letup by her that made it such a competitive and eventually enthralling match. It wasnt all Jennifer's stellar play or anything. It wasnt even the best match they played. Their matches that year in Miami and San Diego were both better.

As for Evert and Navratilova, indeed MOST of their 80 matches were probably amazing, as most of the many I saw were amazing (not even close to all 80, but one would figure the ratio stayed similar).

Sp!ffy
May 18th, 2012, 02:31 AM
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Pierce, of course and before Elena's transition into a grinder.

elena is soooo hot. she looks hotter than maria in this match :speakles::drool:

debopero
May 18th, 2012, 02:45 AM
The game today is so bad blah blah blah :yawn: .

miffedmax
May 18th, 2012, 02:59 AM
elena is soooo hot. she looks hotter than maria in this match :speakles::drool:

Because she is. ;) :p

Berlin_Calling
May 18th, 2012, 06:58 AM
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Pierce, of course and before Elena's transition into a grinder.

:bowdown::bowdown: One of my favorite matches of all time.

This is another top contender. :eek::worship:

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Sam L
May 18th, 2012, 08:05 AM
I believe this was the blueprint for the century that followed, and it really set a high standard that the likes of Pierce, Davenport, Venus and Serena responded to.

Exactly. It was the match that set the standard for the modern women's game. That's why they call Monica a transformational player.

You're crazy. That Graf/Nav match was a serving contest with boatloads of UE's and miscued shots. This Seles/Capriati match was electrifying.

Are you really saying that the average match (out of 80) between Navratilova and Evert had this type of quality?? No way Jose.

Why are you quoting that Graf troll (who doesn't even realise that this thread is about power tennis matches)? Now I've seen its post. And completely agree it wasn't a good quality match at all. That's why it's not remembered and this is.

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I think for the record, the hardest hitting and highest quality match I've seen between two women is the 2008 Wimbledon final. It's one of the best at least anyway.

Juju Nostalgique
May 18th, 2012, 10:37 AM
Guarrigues

:oh: :oh: :oh: :oh: :oh: :oh:

Juju Nostalgique
May 18th, 2012, 10:43 AM
Today's players are too busy with lipstick and shopping. They can play harder, sure, but can't keep the ball in play. 1 winner then 2 errors... :rolleyes: Yes we have Serena / Venus / Sharapova matches with crazy shots. But then the stupid mistakes turn those matches into shit.

At least Monica could keep the ball in play (except that Wimbledon final :o ).

Chokes, unforceds, tanks... Today's become a boredom. I don't know what pleasure kids get from watching UEs. :rolleyes:

serenafann
May 18th, 2012, 11:30 AM
So glad my sweet Monica won this match.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 18th, 2012, 11:45 AM
Monica, my first tennis love :hearts: She wash more about width and depth than hard hitting, but when she had to, she could belt the ball. I agree with the people who have said that its not even close to being the hardest hitting match ever, but for that era it was definitely one of the best.

Some my favourite consistent hard hitting matches include -

Venus-Sharapova Wimbledon 2005
Venus-Sharapova Wimbledon 2007
Venus-Lindsay Wimbledon 2005
Serena-Mauresmo Wimbledon 2003 (This was before Mauresmo turned into a semi grinder and her forehand went down the shiiter; she could play the big babe game)
Serena-Venus Australian Open 2003
Serena-Lindsay USO 2002
Seles-Henin Paris 2002

Smitten
May 18th, 2012, 11:51 AM
Legend def. Seles 60 60 Miami 2000.

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 11:52 AM
I remember one of the slams Venus lost to Serena she served a first serve at around 120 mph or something and Serena simply hit it back for a service winner. It may of been Wimbledon 2002?

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Legend def. Seles 60 60 Miami 2000.

Call Martina what you like but she was no power hitter :lol: :haha:

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 18th, 2012, 11:57 AM
Legend def. Seles 60 60 Miami 2000.

And still barely managed to win half as many slams as Seles.

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 12:01 PM
And still barely managed to win half as many slams as Seles.

I was sure Monica was injured in that match?

Smitten
May 18th, 2012, 12:04 PM
I remember one of the slams Venus lost to Serena she served a first serve at around 120 mph or something and Serena simply hit it back for a service winner.

This has happened in several matches. Venus' placement is so shady that's why her raw speed doesn't garner her as many aces as Serena.

JamieOwen3
May 18th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Capriati vs Seles 2002 Miami SF - 11 years later! Great match *although not the result I wanted*

People have mentioned the others I was going to say.

doujyr
May 18th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Funny thing for me is, HOW QUIET Monica Seles now sounds compared to todays flock

:lol:

LDVTennis
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
There have been harder hitting matches than this one, with much better athleticism, and at a higher skill level.