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Sweety Darling
May 16th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Other than Hingis and Mauresmo, no other winner has gone on to win the Ladies title. In fact, most of them turned out to be no hopers, espically ALL those who won from 2000 until 2011 (except Radwanska who gets a partial credit).

So why do people think this is? I find it quite odd really.

Wozzilroy
May 16th, 2012, 09:46 PM
Perhaps this is also a trend at the other slams too?

One time I remember watching Alize Cornet winning RG juniors and thinking she would be a great player, but she hasn't/didn't produce

bobito
May 16th, 2012, 10:03 PM
A couple of possible factors here. The first would be that a player who wins a junior slam at 17 or 18 is probably not the best player of their generation. If they were, they wouldn't still be playing in the juniors. This is perhaps not so much the case now nut certainly a few years ago it was. When Sharapova won Wimbledon she was younger than that year's junior champion. A 15 year-old junior slam champion is certainly worth watching but an 18 yer-old probably not so much.

Another factor is that, since players only have a few opportunities to win a junior slam, there are more junior champions than senior ones. If you looked at the 27 slams that Serena, Justine and Venus won between them, you'd probably find over 20 different junior champions.

Meelis
May 16th, 2012, 10:06 PM
Perhaps this is also a trend at the other slams too?

It definitely is.

Sean.
May 16th, 2012, 10:09 PM
Perhaps this is also a trend at the other slams too?

Since 1990 only 1 Junior Australian Open Champion has gone on to take any Women's Grand Slam title (Azarenka). :facepalm:

Junior Wimbledon winners actually have the best record in the main draw, with 2 winning (Hingis & Mauresmo)

CloudAtlas
May 16th, 2012, 10:14 PM
Other than Hingis and Mauresmo, no other winner has gone on to win the Ladies title. In fact, most of them turned out to be no hopers, espically ALL those who won from 2000 until 2011 (except Radwanska who gets a partial credit).

So why do people think this is? I find it quite odd really.


Why does Radwanska get a partial credit and Wozniacki doesn't? :lol:

Chris 84
May 16th, 2012, 10:30 PM
junior slam champions who won ANY "real" slam afterwards since 1990:

ao: roddick - azarenka
rg: no men - hingis x2, mauresmo, henin
wimbledon: federer - hingis, mauresmo
uso: roddick - davenport, azarenka

Wimbledon is, therefore, far from unique, and the girls slams seem to be more indicative of future success than the boys. i guess it just shows that being a good junior is nice and everything, and you certainly stand much more chance of success on the tour than if you're a mediocre junior, but it doesn't mean very much in the long run. so many great junior players have totally failed in seniors, or at best had "solid", "decent" careers like zahlavova strycova, flipkens, possibly erakovic, etc.

(btw, i wouldn't quite call dushevina, flipkens, bondarenko or wozniacki "no-hopers". widjaja nearly made the top 50 as well, and salerni's career was ruined by injury. and its hard to write off the winners post-2007 as no-hopers.)

Sweety Darling
May 16th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Why does Radwanska get a partial credit and Wozniacki doesn't? :lol:

I was aware of Wozniacki.

Material World
May 16th, 2012, 10:40 PM
Might be equally instructive to look at the achievements in juniors of those who have won slams. Suspect quite a few never really competed on the junior circuit.

CloudAtlas
May 16th, 2012, 10:44 PM
I was aware of Wozniacki.


Then there's no excuse. Tennis existed prior to the 1st of January 2012 and Wozniacki has still achieved *far* more than Radwanska at this stage.

The Dawntreader
May 16th, 2012, 10:54 PM
People invest far too much expectation in junior tennis. The level is really night and day compared to the semior tour. There's really no comparison.

The one's that didn't make it, just simply were not good enough. I mean Flipkens was a lauded junior, but it was pretty obvious that her career wouldn't translate into the senior tour, because of the obvious limitations in her game. The name for Lertcheewakarn and many others.

bobito
May 16th, 2012, 11:51 PM
Might be equally instructive to look at the achievements in juniors of those who have won slams. Suspect quite a few never really competed on the junior circuit.

I think Clijsters, Sharapova and Ivanovic were junior finalists.

Wimbledon9
May 17th, 2012, 01:33 AM
Martina Navratilova did not win junior Wimbledon just a finalist.

Marcus1979
May 17th, 2012, 01:36 AM
Venus and Serena never played juniors did they?

CameronCopper
May 17th, 2012, 01:39 AM
A couple of possible factors here. The first would be that a player who wins a junior slam at 17 or 18 is probably not the best player of their generation. If they were, they wouldn't still be playing in the juniors. This is perhaps not so much the case now nut certainly a few years ago it was. When Sharapova won Wimbledon she was younger than that year's junior champion. A 15 year-old junior slam champion is certainly worth watching but an 18 yer-old probably not so much.

Another factor is that, since players only have a few opportunities to win a junior slam, there are more junior champions than senior ones. If you looked at the 27 slams that Serena, Justine and Venus won between them, you'd probably find over 20 different junior champions.


It sucks when you want to write something, but it's already been posted. Exactly what you said.

CameronCopper
May 17th, 2012, 01:41 AM
I think Clijsters, Sharapova and Ivanovic were junior finalists.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, look what I found!!

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=7610

Material World
May 17th, 2012, 07:50 AM
Yes, that about sums it up. Alot has got to depend on physical development. Masha grew a huge amount in her mid-teens.

Smitten
May 17th, 2012, 09:38 AM
And Bagelie still was never any good, so only Legend matters as usual.

doujyr
May 17th, 2012, 09:39 AM
It sucks when you want to write something, but it's already been posted. Exactly what you said.

:lol:

bobito
May 17th, 2012, 09:45 AM
Grand Slam Junior Champions 1995-2004 by Age and Highest WTA Ranking
(Red = top 5, Orange = top 10, green = top 20, blue = top 50, :) = grand slam champion)

12 years old
Martina Hingis 1 :)

14 years old
Anna Smashnova 15

15 years old
Justine Henin 1 :)
Jelena Jankovic 1
Nadia Petrova 3
Jelena Dokić 4
Maggie Maleeva 4
Virginie Razzano 16
Maria Kirilenko 16
Lina Krasnoroutskaya 25
Michaëlla Krajicek 30
Vera Dushevina 31
Sesil Karatantcheva 35
Barbora Záhlavová-Strýcová 39
Mirjana Lučić 42

16 years old
Lindsay Davenport 1 :)
Amélie Mauresmo 1 :)
Chanda Rubin 6
Marion Bartoli 7
Shahar Peer 11
Kaia Kanepi 16
Jelena Kostanić 32
Meilen Tu 35
Anikó Kapros 44
Angelique Widjaja 55
Maria Bentivoglio 73
Siobhan Drake 109
Hike Rusch 133
Trudi Musgrave 207

17 years old
Iroda Tulyaganova 16
Katarina Srebotnik 20
Kateryna Bondarenko 29
Magdalena Grzybowska 30
Nicole Pratt 35
Rossana de los Ríos 51
Amélie Cocheteux 55
Kirsten Flipkens 59
María Salerni 65
Aleksandra Olsza 72
Nancy Feber 79
Joanne Limmer 141

18 years old
Karina Habšudová 10
Anna-Lena Grönefeld 14
Barbara Rittner 24
Cara Black 31
Andrea Strnadová 33
Tara Snyder 33
Lourdes Domínguez Lino 40

This bears out what I suggested in an earlier comment, winning a junior slam at 15 shows genuine promise whereas winning one at 17 or 18 not so much.

Sharapova was a junior slam runner-up at 14, Clijsters at 15 and Ivanovic at 16. All lost to older players.