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chuvack
May 14th, 2012, 09:51 AM
We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task. Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses, but she couldnt play her game plain and simple.

So thats why i'm not worried heading into the FO, which has traditional slow clay, which is why Serena has always struggled on it. Serena is an outstanding front runner, but in Paris somebody (Svetlana, Stosur, Srebotnik, etc) always manages to grind her down in a long match, and Vika still has a great chance to win FO despite her yesterday beatdown.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 09:53 AM
So the bad footing/slippery surface was always only on Vika's half of the court?

Lin Lin
May 14th, 2012, 10:17 AM
attention seeking?:unsure:

NashaMasha
May 14th, 2012, 10:21 AM
So the bad footing/slippery surface was always only on Vika's half of the court?

She has better movement, but on this surface this advantage was annihilated .. Same problems had Nadal and especially Djokovic

Surface was perfect for those who can serve 190 km/h. It resembles Wimbledon before 2000 and Serena played like a puncher and didn't find any "Agassi" on her way to the title

Simugna Help
May 14th, 2012, 10:25 AM
We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task.
Not for Federer. :worship: He somehow went past Raonic even if Raonic serves much better than Serena.:o

Mistress of Evil
May 14th, 2012, 10:28 AM
For God's sake 99.9% of Serena aces+serve winners would have been such even on the most slowest surface since yes, she can come up with a 200km serve but the placement is the key. Vikaria lost coz she is powerless against a big-hitter in-form and unfortunately for her she was against the greatest one.

C. Drone
May 14th, 2012, 10:33 AM
We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task. Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses, but she couldnt play her game plain and simple.

So thats why i'm not worried heading into the FO, which has traditional slow clay, which is why Serena has always struggled on it. Serena is an outstanding front runner, but in Paris somebody (Svetlana, Stosur, Srebotnik, etc) always manages to grind her down in a long match, and Vika still has a great chance to win FO despite her yesterday beatdown.

I definitely agree the surface favored Serena in this case, but I´m not sure Vika could have won on real clay. Scoreline would have been closer, thats for sure. (not like thats a big ask, lol.)
Also, their current form is very different, Azarenka is in slow downward spiral, playing worse and worse since AO and IW, while Serena just started to gain some form in Miami and Charleston. Easy to say who is more rested, and fresh.

Christinawww
May 14th, 2012, 10:33 AM
Vika lost because Serena is a better player. She might not be 61 63 better, but yesterday she def. was.
Serena can serve extremely well, so Vika's great returns don't see the light of the day.
Serena can return extremely well, and Vika's serve can't neutralize those returns.
Vika didn't/doesn't stand a chance when returning nor when serving. Then it is impossible to win a tennis match!

J4m3ka
May 14th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Hilarious stuff. So it was nothing to do with Vika's abysmal serving and returning, it was the surface. Glad that has been cleared up :happy:

Serena has now aced Victoria at will at Wimbledon, USO, AO & Madrid Clay. As much as pressed fans of Martha and Vika are praying, RG does not change the speed of serve that much. A I said in another thread, due to the atmosphere and balls used at RG, the serve actually flies quite fast through the air until the bounce.

vixter
May 14th, 2012, 10:42 AM
:lol: I dont know, I sort of feel she lost because of SERENA

NashaMasha
May 14th, 2012, 11:01 AM
He somehow went past Raonic even if Raonic serves much better than Serena
Federer has one of the best service in ATP , not the fastest but with the best direction .....

Vika lost because Serena is a better player. She might not be 61 63 better, but yesterday she def. was.Serena can serve extremely well, so Vika's great returns don't see the light of the day.
it is also true , she neither could return Sharapova's serves nor could Serena's in this finals

Ryan
May 14th, 2012, 11:39 AM
Surface will ALWAYS be a factor when two players meet. There's no excuse for losing a 6-1 set against anyone, as the #1 player in the world.

The Witch-king
May 14th, 2012, 11:41 AM
so the surface made Azarenka serve up to 3 double faults in 1 service game huh

pesto
May 14th, 2012, 11:56 AM
On 'real' clay, would Vika even have been in the final? She had to beat 3 Garros champions to get there.

She adapted well to the surface, and was playing at a decent standard in this tournament - ok, not at the searing level of the first few months of this year.

The truth is, Serena's A-game is well nigh unbeatable, for any current player, on any surface.

Tenis Srbija
May 14th, 2012, 11:56 AM
:lol: I dont know, I sort of feel she lost because of SERENA

:worship: :worship: :worship:

NashaMasha
May 14th, 2012, 12:01 PM
so the surface made Azarenka serve up to 3 double faults in 1 service game huh

her second serve is a gift for Rena's unreachable returns , Hence her attemps to serve faster on 2nd serve and DF

However 148-155 km/h for a first serve for №1 is ridiculous . In both finals she had no chances against Sharapova and Serena , but still i don't see on TF any profound discussions that Vika is becoming permanent runner-up :) (as it was with Sharapova a month ago )

The Witch-king
May 14th, 2012, 12:25 PM
her second serve is a gift for Rena's unreachable returns , Hence her attemps to serve faster on 2nd serve and DF

However 148-155 km/h for a first serve for №1 is ridiculous . In both finals she had no chances against Sharapova and Serena , but still i don't see on TF any profound discussions that Vika is becoming permanent runner-up :) (as it was with Sharapova a month ago )

good point(s)

miffedmax
May 14th, 2012, 12:41 PM
So the bad footing/slippery surface was always only on Vika's half of the court?

No, the fact she changing her serve motion with Amelie probably did that.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:49 PM
So why did she lose against Maria in Stuttgart on a surface that is "real red clay", in controlled conditions being indoor?

As another posted commented, I (think) am sure it is the opponent, not the surface.

colt13
May 14th, 2012, 12:50 PM
Time has proven that Serena is a bad matchup for Azarenka.

Azarenka is still one of the big 4 from the 2012 season, and of those 4, Maria should be the slight favorite for the French, followed by Serena, Vika and Aga. Expecting QF runs from Errani and Barthel.

The interesting about Serena is who can beat her. In theory, Kvitova should be her toughest match as a power hitting lefty, as Serena is a slow starter against lefties. But her losses have been to Makarova and Wozniacki, both talented, but lack power.

V.e.s.W
May 14th, 2012, 01:02 PM
Then, what about her loss in Stuttgart :?

stromatolite
May 14th, 2012, 01:03 PM
It was a pretty extreme surface, so it's possible that it had some bearing on the result, but to say that it was the only reason she lost seems a bit far-fetched to me. Hopefully they'll meet in the SF in Rome, then we'll know for sure;).

CetkovskaBrazil
May 14th, 2012, 01:10 PM
Serena makes Vika loses. Not the court.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 01:12 PM
Then, what about her loss in Stuttgart :?
exactly. I asked the same question, but no forthcoming answer yet

Simugna Help
May 14th, 2012, 01:16 PM
Then, what about her loss in Stuttgart :?
In general, expecting #1 to win everything is a bit ridiculous. Vuvurenka :aparty: is who she is, her tennis is what it is, everybody can see that. She's had remarkable results for quite some time now - Luxembourg W, YEC RU, Sydney W, AO W, Doha W, IW W, Miami QF, Stuttgart RU and Madrid RU. I think she had her peak form in Doha and IW, but getting to finals in the last two tournaments is still great.

Irute
May 14th, 2012, 01:19 PM
The surface perhaps helped Serena, but it was not the cause for Vika's loss. Serena was the better player in the match that is all.

Vikapower
May 14th, 2012, 01:29 PM
It was a pretty extreme surface, so it's possible that it had some bearing on the result, but to say that it was the only reason she lost seems a bit far-fetched to me. Hopefully they'll meet in the SF in Rome, then we'll know for sure;).

Good answer.

It's not the only reason but it's certainly a big factor of why the match was this one-sided. I watched couple matches in Rome and the difference is glaring :

Rallies, lift, high bounce like typical clay, grinding etc. :eek: Thought I would have never seen that type of clay again or anymore in my life. :eek:

spartanfan
May 14th, 2012, 01:35 PM
Like someone posted before, they were both playing on the same clay surface, and I seem to recall Serena losing her footing at least twice during the final yesterday. Azarenka had some hard and deep groundstokes, but there wern't many rallies because of Serena's winners or Azarenka's unforced errors, plain and simple. I think Azarenka is a good player, but Serena made her look ordinary yesterday. Serena's semi-final match was more challenging (at least the first set) than the finals.

C. Drone
May 14th, 2012, 01:50 PM
Then, what about her loss in Stuttgart :?

she was extremely injured.

stromatolite
May 14th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Good answer.

It's not the only reason but it's certainly a big factor of why the match was this one-sided. I watched couple matches in Rome and the difference is glaring :

Rallies, lift, high bounce like typical clay, grinding etc. :eek: Thought I would have never seen that type of clay again or anymore in my life. :eek:

I had the same feeling watching this match as I had watching their USO match last year. Whenever Vika really got into a rally she actually looked slightly better than Serena, but there were too few of those points for her to make life difficult for Serena. I don't know if this was because of the surface, because Serena dominates early on in points so Vika rarely gets into rallies, because Vika has a mental block against Serena, or a combination of the above. In any case a rematch in Rome would be nice :)

miffedmax
May 14th, 2012, 04:22 PM
I think the psychological is a big one for all the Generation Suck players vs. Serena. She still lives in their heads and always has a big advantage whenever she steps on the court. Of course, all credit goes to Serena for being able to press that advantage home and get the wins more often than not--it's not every player who can do that.

I also think (to her credit) Vika is trying to develop a stronger serve and is tinkering with it, even if she loses some matches and that explained the dfs. This actually a good sign, because at this point the serve is her weakest link and I'd rather have her lose here and develop the game she needs to fight off the other players and hold on to #1 and win some more slams in the long run.

Having said all that, yeah, Serena beat her fair and square. It's May, and so far Vika has lost to Bartoli, Martha and Serena. Is there any Vika fan who wouldn't have taken that deal on Jan. 1? Three losses to those three players?

And two of them in finals?

I take it.

duhcity
May 14th, 2012, 04:32 PM
Y'all need to get over this myth that Vika was good on clay.

Lest you be reminded that her best clay results have come at Madrid. Madrid, since 2009, has never been a signifier for clay results at the French. Blue or red, the altitude, court speed, and ball type has rendered it different, at least until last year when the lighter, faster ball was introduced at Roland Garros.

Two finals is easily the best start to her clay season ever. If anything, she's improving, not regressing, on this surface.
She'll be a top favorite at the French, for sure, but history says anyone who can use the surface well, move on it well, and hit hard enough to make an impact, will give her trouble.

Beat
May 14th, 2012, 04:39 PM
The truth: Vika won a slam because of the surface.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 05:00 PM
I think the psychological is a big one for all the Generation Suck players vs. Serena. She still lives in their heads and always has a big advantage whenever she steps on the court. .

You hit the nail on the head.
Just 2 weeks ago, Lucie Safarova was quoted, responding to a question how she thought she'll do against Serena, said: "It depends on Serena".
And this is not an exception, many of them said something along the same line.

They leave their fate in the hands of the opponent Serena

dany.p
May 14th, 2012, 05:19 PM
She's had two tournaments on clay as the world no.1. Two straight finals. Two convincing loses. For me, the verdict is still out on what 2012 Azarenka can do on clay.

Batemant
May 14th, 2012, 05:36 PM
I'll be interested to see what working with Mauresmo does for Vika's game. Right now, she's definitely not clay GOAT, but the serve adjustments could be key.

coolfish1103
May 14th, 2012, 05:56 PM
she was extremely injured.

Mentally injured?

Kworb
May 14th, 2012, 06:01 PM
Azarenka is nothing special on "real" clay. It's her worst surface because her powerless shots become even more powerless. Same problem Wozniacki and Radwanska have on it.

MaBaker
May 14th, 2012, 06:03 PM
The Madrid surface is crap and it helps those who don't move well. I have no idea I ignore if Victoria or Serena move well, so I don't care about them, but the surface is crap.

PetraReeMona
May 14th, 2012, 06:04 PM
Course she did :tape:

DOUBLEFIST
May 14th, 2012, 06:08 PM
...Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses...
:spit:

Myggen
May 14th, 2012, 06:23 PM
When Serena is on, she wins. It's as simple as that.

Larrybidd
May 14th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Just 2 weeks ago, Lucie Safarova was quoted, responding to a question how she thought she'll do against Serena, said: "It depends on Serena".
And this is not an exception, many of them said something along the same line.



They say it because its the truth. But when Serena says it, she's "got an ugly attitude". LOL The truth is the truth, regardless of who speaks it. Me, being a truth seeker, appreciate people speaking the truth.

BluSthil
May 14th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Bradbury,

Before we all go bombastic over Serena's success in Madrid, let's see what Rome and Roalnd Garros has in store for her. There should be no excuses on the red surface ! If Serena 'beats down' the competition like she did in Madrid, then we can all put forth our superlatives ! My suggestion for Serena, leave the romance behind for now. Long lasting relationships don't seem to be her forte. Besides, seldom do the two activities complement each other. One usually trumps the other, and one activity suffers.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 06:47 PM
They say it because its the truth. But when Serena says it, she's "got an ugly attitude". LOL The truth is the truth, regardless of who speaks it. Me, being a truth seeker, appreciate people speaking the truth.
I am not denying that it is the truth; but it is just not a recommended attitude for athlete in an individual competitive sport.
Not all truths are healthy for your mind

You will never hear the WS, Maria, Henin, Kim, Hingis, Capriati and Davenport, Pierce say that before a match...even at their lowest point against their biggest rival.

StoneRose
May 14th, 2012, 06:53 PM
I think the psychological is a big one for all the Generation Suck players vs. Serena. She still lives in their heads and always has a big advantage whenever she steps on the court. Of course, all credit goes to Serena for being able to press that advantage home and get the wins more often than not--it's not every player who can do that.

I also think (to her credit) Vika is trying to develop a stronger serve and is tinkering with it, even if she loses some matches and that explained the dfs. This actually a good sign, because at this point the serve is her weakest link and I'd rather have her lose here and develop the game she needs to fight off the other players and hold on to #1 and win some more slams in the long run.

Having said all that, yeah, Serena beat her fair and square. It's May, and so far Vika has lost to Bartoli, Martha and Serena. Is there any Vika fan who wouldn't have taken that deal on Jan. 1? Three losses to those three players?

And two of them in finals?

I take it.This time last year we could only dream about what Vika has actually achieved now. I'm not sure if Vika's tinkering with her serve right now, if so i too think that's a good idea but shouldn't she have done so after USO? Maybe not as YEC AO and early spring is such a good time for her.

About the surface, i think it favored Serena but it's a minor issue compared to other things going on which you have summed up nicely here.

Israel
May 14th, 2012, 06:54 PM
We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task. Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses, but she couldnt play her game plain and simple.

So thats why i'm not worried heading into the FO, which has traditional slow clay, which is why Serena has always struggled on it. Serena is an outstanding front runner, but in Paris somebody (Svetlana, Stosur, Srebotnik, etc) always manages to grind her down in a long match, and Vika still has a great chance to win FO despite her yesterday beatdown.
SO WHAT? I mean the whole tournament was played on this clay and both women won the same amount of matches. Serena was just too good, and Vika was playing like a 16 year old the whole match.
Serena would've beaten her on any other surface anyways...

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 06:54 PM
Here is a gems I harvested from Live Commentary thread during yesterday royal execution.

Vikapower has taken her obsession with movement and long rallies (as a way to beat Serena) to a suicide pact territory.

Below she seems to be saying, as long as Vika's movement is impeccable and she extends rallies, that is all that matters, ... even if she is losing.



Victoria more long rallies, better match now -- Serena's movement

Even if Vika loses this set, the match is played on Victoria's terms,
long rallies where Serena sucks -- Serena's movement

The few very long rallies in this match were won by Victoria -- that's what she has to do.

Serena's movement is extremely weak and she could almost hurt herself sliding/falling/slipping all over the place.

If it's 2-3 shots Serena has the adv. if it's >5-6 shots Victoria will win them 70-80% of the time.



Reality sets in...

This tournament really favors players who play super-quick 2-3 shots -- very surprising Petra crashed there.

... but good Vikapower finds a silver-lining
Granted Serena is serving aces but sometimes when Victoria has a chance
to extend the rallies she makes an UE way too early -- She won almost all rallies that over 5-6 shots.

acetoace
May 14th, 2012, 10:02 PM
She has better movement, but on this surface this advantage was annihilated .. Same problems had Nadal and especially Djokovic

Surface was perfect for those who can serve 190 km/h. It resembles Wimbledon before 2000 and Serena played like a puncher and didn't find any "Agassi" on her way to the title


Wow....do ppl even think 2twice before pounding their fingers on a keyboard? Just listen to how asinine u sound. Serena/Vika h2h is whopping 7-1 (even the "1" was due to Serena injury). On how many surface has Vika faced Serena and lost comprehensively? Despite Vika's excellent movement and all, I still fail to see any match where Vika actually defeated Serena due to those qualities. Saying Vika lost on blue clay b/cos her movement was neutralised by the surface is disingenuous at best and downright idiotic.

I know u're a pova stan who is despearte to put Serena down (unsuccessfully) but, next time, think better before u type with your foot and never hit the submit button until u've reviewed your post for logical thought.:rolleyes:

NashaMasha
May 14th, 2012, 10:05 PM
On the women’s side, is the jig up for Victoria Azarenka? First Maria Sharapova blows a hole in her No. 1 confidence in Stuttgart, then Serena drives a truck through it in Madrid. Each of those women did it by exposing a weakness that Azarenka has done a decent job of covering up this year: her serve. Serena took her returns inside the baseline and, when she wasn’t hitting them for winners, set up second shots that she could take at the service line. The pressure got to Vika quickly: She double faulted three times in the third game alone.

Azarenka has been able to pick her spots this year, to be patient, get balls back, and wait for one that she can attack. Against Serena, she doesn’t have that luxury. She was completely taken out of her game yesterday. Even smashing her racquet to the ground in the second set didn’t help. Serena just blasted a forehand past her on the next point to break. You can't let your anger work for you if you don't get a chance to hit the ball.

Against Serena, the main problem for Azarenka may be her ranking. If she were 2 or 4 or 10, Williams might not be so dialed in against her. Unfortunately for her, Vika is No. 1.
Steve Tignor:worship::worship::worship:



Just listen to how asinine u sound. Serena/Vika h2h is whopping 7-1 (even the "1" was due to Serena injury).
Do you think it is right to compare Azarenka of 2010 and 2012? She is a hard working permanently improving type of tennis player , who reached her peak only this season.
She is far not a natural talents who played their best tennis "since kindergarten" like Pova or Rena. She might improve her serve and become stronger competitor in the near future

Anyway it is quite stupid from your side not to admit that slow hardcourts like in IW or Miami will significantly make Sereva-Vika match more competitive and even give advantage to Vika, whereas clay, especially fast and slippery clay is a great advantage for big hitters and servers

acetoace
May 14th, 2012, 10:34 PM
Steve Tignor:worship::worship::worship:




Do you think it is right to compare Azarenka of 2010 and 2012? She is a hard working permanently improving type of tennis player , who reached her peak only this season.
She is far not a natural talents who played their best tennis "since kindergarten" like Pova or Rena. She might improve her serve and become stronger competitor in the near future


Talking to the future is not the point here. The iussue is that she lost NOW because Serena is a better player and not b/cos she was betrayed by Madrid surface. I respect Vika for her immense talent and I believe (of all the current bunch bar Venus), she is next to Serena in terms of skill and ability. IMO, at this point, Vika has proven herself far better than Kvitova and pova hands-down!!

JRena
May 14th, 2012, 10:44 PM
I quite agree with you, if this hadn't been clay she wouldn't have double faulted so much.

PetraReeMona
May 14th, 2012, 10:50 PM
I quite agree with you, if this hadn't been clay Serena on the other side of the net, who Vika saw annihilate Maria the previous day she wouldn't have double faulted so much.

Fixed :D

serenafan08
May 14th, 2012, 11:13 PM
Stay pressed, haters. Serena hasn't been this dialed in during the clay court season since she won Roland Garros. Whether the surface was slippery, fast, slow, red, blue, pink - Serena is just focused on what she needs to do out there. She's taking her time and setting up the points, which is how you win on clay. Period. Whether or not she does anything special in Rome, her confidence is going to be sky high heading into the French Open.

bajantoo
May 15th, 2012, 12:14 AM
:lol: I dont know, I sort of feel she lost because of SERENA

Oh snap! lol

Steven.
May 15th, 2012, 06:08 AM
Talking to the future is not the point here. The iussue is that she lost NOW because Serena is a better player and not b/cos she was betrayed by Madrid surface. I respect Vika for her immense talent and I believe (of all the current bunch bar Venus), she is next to Serena in terms of skill and ability. IMO, at this point, Vika has proven herself far better than Kvitova and pova hands-down!!

maria, clijsters, henin, venus, capriati, davenport, hingis etc. are all far better than Vika, whether it be consistency or their peak form. Vika's peak form is FAR from impressive when compared to the aforementioned names. how she went on a 26 match win streak is beyond me but I guess it's not hard when your main competition/rivalry is against the likes of Radwanska, Li, Wozniacki, Kvitova and headcase-pova in finals (remember Masha was 19-7 in finals pre-2009 and 6-9 post 2009).

that said, Vika is definitely the most or second most talented player of her generation, alongside Kvitova despite the latter flopping pretty hard this season so far.

as to answer the thread, Serena is many classes above Azarenka. Azarenka was completely outplayed. If Azarenka was competing in any other era what are the chances of her winning slams and reaching no. 1? Answer is highly unlikely.

Direwolf
May 15th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Yes
Vika lost to Serena because of the Surface
Vika lost to Sharapova because of the surface
Vika lost to Bartoli because of fatigue
Vika lost to Kvitova because its indoors

if we eliminate all of them...
Vika has won all of her matches

tennisbum79
May 15th, 2012, 06:21 AM
Yes
Vika lost to Serena because of the Surface
Vika lost to Sharapova because of the surface
Vika lost to Bartoli because of fatigue
Vika lost to Kvitova because its indoors

if we eliminate all of them...
Vika has won all of her matches
You know what is coming next?

..." but the matches were close. it is not like they outplayed Vika"

Slutiana
May 15th, 2012, 08:33 AM
She has better movement, but on this surface this advantage was annihilated .. Same problems had Nadal and especially Djokovic

Surface was perfect for those who can serve 190 km/h. It resembles Wimbledon before 2000 and Serena played like a puncher and didn't find any "Agassi" on her way to the title
Absolute bollocks.

People need to get this myth out of their head. Azarenka has brilliant footwork, but her movement and defense is completely mediocre. Serena can range from being snail-like to lightning fast, but in general she's a much better mover.

Matt01
May 15th, 2012, 01:07 PM
maria, clijsters, henin, venus, capriati, davenport, hingis etc. are all far better than Vika, whether it be consistency or their peak form. Vika's peak form is FAR from impressive when compared to the aforementioned names. how she went on a 26 match win streak is beyond me but I guess it's not hard when your main competition/rivalry is against the likes of Radwanska, Li, Wozniacki, Kvitova and headcase-pova in finals (remember Masha was 19-7 in finals pre-2009 and 6-9 post 2009).

that said, Vika is definitely the most or second most talented player of her generation, alongside Kvitova despite the latter flopping pretty hard this season so far.

as to answer the thread, Serena is many classes above Azarenka. Azarenka was completely outplayed. If Azarenka was competing in any other era what are the chances of her winning slams and reaching no. 1? Answer is highly unlikely.


:bs:

Morrissey
May 15th, 2012, 01:20 PM
Victoria has so far only won ONE WTA title on clay in Marbella Spain last year a MINOR EVENT. So I think the OP needs to put things into perspective. Azarenka also has a 1-7 record against Serena Williams. Azarenka lost get over it. Serena shows the world that this hype for Azarenka is not justified. Victoria is a good player she's won a slam but the media need to get real. The WTA is in dire straits the young players are not that talented as previous generations.

chuvack
May 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM
I am not denying that it is the truth; but it is just not a recommended attitude for athlete in an individual competitive sport.
Not all truths are healthy for your mind

You will never hear the WS, Maria, Henin, Kim, Hingis, Capriati and Davenport, Pierce say that before a match...even at their lowest point against their biggest rival.

Good point... this attitude is one of the reasons why Safarova is a career second tier player, unlike those other names you mentioned. I would be pissed as hell if Vika ever said something like this in regard to playing Serena.

bobcat
May 15th, 2012, 04:45 PM
We'll have to see how the season progresses but the feeling I get is the same as I had when Serena went on a tear back in 02-03. Back then her overall athleticism was just too much for her opponents to cope with on a consistent basis. And at that time, unlike now, she even had to play on "real" clay. I think if Vika, Maria, et al want to keep up they're probably going to have to hit the gym like Henin and get a lot stronger.

tennisbum79
May 15th, 2012, 05:15 PM
We'll have to see how the season progresses but the feeling I get is the same as I had when Serena went on a tear back in 02-03. Back then her overall athleticism was just too much for her opponents to cope with on a consistent basis. And at that time, unlike now, she even had to play on "real" clay. I think if Vika, Maria, et al want to keep up they're probably going to have to hit the gym like Henin and get a lot stronger.
Same here, but I ma a little nervous because she is now older and an ill timed injury might interrupt this wonderful run.
To the athletism, she has now added patience, deadly ROS, a better disguise serve and tremendous angle with ball curling over the net in the box right near the net post of the opponent.

This was on display against Stosur in Charleston, Maria and Vika in Madrid.
In the highlights, you can almost feel for each of these players, going from one corner to another in order to receive after watching the ball zip by.

Serena is now more and more wrongfooting opponents on serve; increasing number of opponent are guessing wrong on her serve, which explains her higher number of aces.
It will intersting in Wimby if she brings this to bear.

:bounce:Very exciting times ahead:bounce:

pov
May 15th, 2012, 05:47 PM
We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task. Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses, but she couldnt play her game plain and simple.


The pseudo-clay probably affected the scoreline but IMO Azarenka would have been hard-pressed to win with the way Williams has been playing recently.