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friendsita
May 14th, 2012, 12:37 AM
Maria Sharapova believes Serena Williams changes her game when the pair meet, but is ready for the challenge ahead of a potential final at Foro Italico next Saturday.

Second seed Sharapova is looking to retain the title she won here last year but in-form Serena promises to be a big test after the American won in Madrid to make it 13 straight clay court match victories in 2012.

Sharapova has won just two of nine meetings in the battle of the big servers and sees Serena as a big threat to her title.

“I see some of her previous matches and then she plays against me and produces 13 aces,” joked the Russian. “What about the other matches? I am flattered that she likes to do that against me. She is serving very well and playing a second serve ace is also very tough for her as she goes for the lines. Clay court rallies are especially hard because they are long but obviously you have to believe you are strong.”

Sharapova won in Stuttgart this year to provide belief that another title in Rome is possible, and the memories of last year’s final triumph against Samantha Stosur are still fresh in the mind.

“I’m feeling much more comfortable,” said Sarapova. “This time last year I started to pick up my confidence. I was able to adjust my racquet and my coach. It took a while to start feeling comfortable but I was able to find my ground and it was a good win here especially because I beat some good players.

“When you play on clay then the season is short and you need to be physically ready. You often have five days in a row with three hour matches and so I have improved on recovering effectively. I understand my own body and I know how long it takes me to recover.”

http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Sharapova-Sunday.aspx

Foot_Fault
May 14th, 2012, 12:50 AM
Hmmm....LiL Game Play here? I hope Serena does not read this...

RenaSlam.
May 14th, 2012, 12:51 AM
She remembers Wimbledon 2004. And she won't ever forget it.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:56 AM
Didn't Maria throw a similar challenge to Serena back in summer of 2011?

I get the impression that player want to go against Serena to gage where their game and progress is.

I remember Ivanovic being glad and content that she was not blown off the court after she has just lost to Serena

shoryuken
May 14th, 2012, 12:59 AM
She really is a masochist isn't she :lol:

spartanfan
May 14th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Serena has definitely gotten into Maria's head. Good.

Nabalonge
May 14th, 2012, 01:02 AM
Hmm... Okay. Conversely, Serena should be insulted Maria brings what she does against her.

Rocketta
May 14th, 2012, 04:51 AM
:lol:

What? Ah, I guess it's good Maria takes her beat downs as a compliment... I guess! :help:

Stonerpova
May 14th, 2012, 05:04 AM
I mean how else is she supposed to take it :lol:

She understands Serena's never-ending quest for revenge

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 05:04 AM
Hmm... Okay. Conversely, Serena should be insulted Maria brings what she does against her.http://i50.tinypic.com/dp8pw7.gif
She does the best she can. :lol:

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 05:16 AM
Serena has definitely gotten into Maria's head. Good.

And vice versa, that's clearly what Maria is saying :lol::lol:

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 05:24 AM
And vice versa, that's clearly what Maria is saying :lol::lol:
Fair enough; BUT while Serena seems to be active in Maria's head(by what we see on the court), Maria is so idle in Serena's head, she does not even know she (Maria) is there:devil:

Maddox
May 14th, 2012, 05:42 AM
I'm starting to feel sorry for Martha. Shame man

Stonerpova
May 14th, 2012, 05:46 AM
Fair enough; BUT while Serena seems to be active in Maria's head(by what we see on the court), Maria is so idle in Serena's head, she does not even know she (Maria) is there:devil:

I mean these conclusions are based off of what she said, so she probably does know :lol:

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 06:45 AM
Fair enough; BUT while Serena seems to be active in Maria's head(by what we see on the court), Maria is so idle in Serena's head, she does not even know she (Maria) is there:devil:

She doesn't mind at all apparently :lol:

On a more serious note, Maria would love to play Serena a lot more and not once every year:rolleyes: therefore their form will obviously play a big part in their matches just like against Azarenka, Maria got the better of Vika finally you could tell that Vika was too good at the beginning of the year while Maria wasnt and then it changed in Stuttgart.
Maria started to play better and Vika less, see what I am saying.

Serena shows up every 3 months playing light out tennis, noone can keep up when she is that good players barely play her week in week out. Media were already talking about a rivalry between Maria and Vika since they met in three finals already in 5 months, Maria and Serena played 3 times in three years, it's true that Serena was out for a very long time but even before that they weren't playing each other a lot. Once in 2005, twice in 2007, once in 2008 and then once in 2010 this is absurd.

Anyway my point is that it would obviously affect Serena's strengths a lot more if she was playing a lil more like Maria and Vika :shrug: people are already arguing about a walkover in Rome what the hell is that? :rolleyes:

madmax
May 14th, 2012, 07:12 AM
Maria should be more flattered of her own inability to play any kind of proper tennis that she displays against other players...the number of chokejobs she delivers in this matchup is dumbfounding.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 07:13 AM
Anyway my point is that it would obviously affect Serena's strengths a lot more if she was playing a lil more like Maria and Vika :shrug: people are already arguing about a walkover in Rome what the hell is that? :rolleyes:
THis debate has been going for years now, and it is false one now.
When it first started, many thought the schedule would hurt Serena for lacking match practice.

Mind you, Maria has not always played week-in week-out

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 07:15 AM
Hmmm....Masha has been listening a bit too much to the doomsday's of this world. :lol:

JRena
May 14th, 2012, 07:18 AM
Maria would have 20 grand slams by now if she weren't afraid of Serena.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 07:26 AM
Maria would have 20 grand slams by now if she weren't afraid of Serena.
Really? How many times they have met in GS?

JRena
May 14th, 2012, 07:29 AM
Really? How many times they have met in GS?

It doesn't even matter if Serena is on the other side of the net. Remember her streak of finals losses?
Yeah Serena caused that. ;)

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 07:37 AM
She doesn't mind at all apparently :lol:

On a more serious note, Maria would love to play Serena a lot more and not once every year:rolleyes: therefore their form will obviously play a big part in their matches just like against Azarenka, Maria got the better of Vika finally you could tell that Vika was too good at the beginning of the year while Maria wasnt and then it changed in Stuttgart.
Maria started to play better and Vika less, see what I am saying.

Serena shows up every 3 months playing light out tennis, noone can keep up when she is that good players barely play her week in week out. Media were already talking about a rivalry between Maria and Vika since they met in three finals already in 5 months, Maria and Serena played 3 times in three years, it's true that Serena was out for a very long time but even before that they weren't playing each other a lot. Once in 2005, twice in 2007, once in 2008 and then once in 2010 this is absurd.

Anyway my point is that it would obviously affect Serena's strengths a lot more if she was playing a lil more like Maria and Vika :shrug: people are already arguing about a walkover in Rome what the hell is that? :rolleyes:So after multiple humiliations, Sharapova finally eked out a win against Vika, so you want Serena to play more so Maria can eke out a win against her too? :lol: Maria just played Serena last summer, so its not like its been years. She knows Serena's game very well, as Serena knows hers.

Maria needs to improve her serve and work on her movement/agility, thats the only way she's going to ever seriously challenge Serena. Being Lindsay Davenport 2.0 will never be good enough.

Rest Maria!
May 14th, 2012, 07:38 AM
It doesn't even matter if Serena is on the other side of the net. Remember her streak of finals losses?
Yeah Serena caused that. ;)

Maria is GOAT and if not for the global conspiracy aimed against her, she would have shattered all records by now.

aloeball
May 14th, 2012, 07:42 AM
Oh the girl giving herself a pat on the back even after losing emphatically. I thought only Federer was capable of this.

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 07:46 AM
So after multiple humiliations, Sharapova finally eked out a win against Vika, so you want Serena to play more so Maria can eke out a win against her too? :lol: Maria just played Serena last summer, so its not like its been years. She knows Serena's game very well, as Serena knows hers.

Maria needs to improve her serve and work on her movement/agility, thats the only way she's going to ever seriously challenge Serena. Being Lindsay Davenport 2.0 will never be good enough.

Hmmm yeah she won't beat Serena by not playing her and what you say is very true but she finally defeated Vika by improving her serve and her movement so Serena needs to put her ass more often in tournaments. Period.

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 07:57 AM
She doesn't mind at all apparently :lol:

On a more serious note, Maria would love to play Serena a lot more and not once every year:rolleyes: therefore their form will obviously play a big part in their matches just like against Azarenka, Maria got the better of Vika finally you could tell that Vika was too good at the beginning of the year while Maria wasnt and then it changed in Stuttgart.
Maria started to play better and Vika less, see what I am saying.

Serena shows up every 3 months playing light out tennis, noone can keep up when she is that good players barely play her week in week out. Media were already talking about a rivalry between Maria and Vika since they met in three finals already in 5 months, Maria and Serena played 3 times in three years, it's true that Serena was out for a very long time but even before that they weren't playing each other a lot. Once in 2005, twice in 2007, once in 2008 and then once in 2010 this is absurd.

Anyway my point is that it would obviously affect Serena's strengths a lot more if she was playing a lil more like Maria and Vika :shrug: people are already arguing about a walkover in Rome what the hell is that? :rolleyes:

The rust factor should be a disadvantage for Serena, no?! :shrug:

sweetadri06
May 14th, 2012, 08:01 AM
She doesn't mind at all apparently :lol:

On a more serious note, Maria would love to play Serena a lot more and not once every year:rolleyes: therefore their form will obviously play a big part in their matches just like against Azarenka, Maria got the better of Vika finally you could tell that Vika was too good at the beginning of the year while Maria wasnt and then it changed in Stuttgart.
Maria started to play better and Vika less, see what I am saying.

Serena shows up every 3 months playing light out tennis, noone can keep up when she is that good players barely play her week in week out. Media were already talking about a rivalry between Maria and Vika since they met in three finals already in 5 months, Maria and Serena played 3 times in three years, it's true that Serena was out for a very long time but even before that they weren't playing each other a lot. Once in 2005, twice in 2007, once in 2008 and then once in 2010 this is absurd.

Anyway my point is that it would obviously affect Serena's strengths a lot more if she was playing a lil more like Maria and Vika :shrug: people are already arguing about a walkover in Rome what the hell is that? :rolleyes:

I'm sorry but this is such a cop-out. Serena/Maria affairs used to be highly contested matches, in fact she won the first two or don't you remember? They've played enough times, Maria knows what to expect from Serena. There is really no excuse why her latest performances against Serena have been so abysmal. Serena has been beating basically everyone up badly, so Maria saying she's flattered, is in my opinion her way of rationalizing her own poor performance and nothing to do with Serena. I say that as someone who enjoys watching Maria play.

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 08:07 AM
Hmmm yeah she won't beat Serena by not playing her and what you say is very true but she finally defeated Vika by improving her serve and her movement so Serena needs to put her ass more often in tournaments. Period.Sarin will be 31 in four months.
Ain't nobody got time to be killing themselves in tournaments day in, day out. :lol:

Tenis Srbija
May 14th, 2012, 08:07 AM
You go Maria! :yeah:

http://x.vukajlija.com/var/uploads/reactions/201205/4172/1297687844_drunk-man-vs-escalator.gif?1336062967

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 08:13 AM
Sarin will be 31 in four months.
Ain't nobody got time to be killing themselves in tournaments day in, day out. :lol:

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen that's all I have to say.:lol:

young_gunner913
May 14th, 2012, 08:29 AM
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen that's all I have to say.:lol:

Tell that to Vika & Martha.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 08:32 AM
Another Serena vs Maria thread :eyeroll: one would think it was tight rivalry with over 40 matches played between them, given how emphatically Serena's fans participate in these discussions :facepalm: even though their fave scalps Maria every time they meet, they are STILL pressed and blabbering the same shit over and over again.

Can't wait for that TF Stats thread. I'm 100% positive most renatards have "Maria" or "Sharapova" as their 2nd/3rd most posted word :oh:

mauresmofan
May 14th, 2012, 08:37 AM
Their recent match you could see right from the start Maria was so ridiculously pumped up for it in game 1 that she had no where to go with her emotions after that whereas Serena had a few gears to go from game one as she was pretty calm beginning the match.

Cp6uja
May 14th, 2012, 08:52 AM
I must to agree with Maria about this!

Williams sisters playing against Maria Sharapova almost like against Ana Ivanovic, but against rest of tour there is so many ridiculous loses and tank jobs!?

Jealousy is not good!

Tenis Srbija
May 14th, 2012, 08:54 AM
I must to agree with Maria about this!

Williams sisters playing against Maria Sharapova almost like against Ana Ivanovic, but against rest of tour there is so many ridiculous loses and tank jobs!?

Or is it just that Marina & Ana have mind problems when playing against them. I doubt that the sisters are extremely motivated to play against Ana since she has never troubled them especially. Maria on the other hand...

nhissan
May 14th, 2012, 09:11 AM
Another Serena vs Maria thread :eyeroll: one would think it was tight rivalry with over 40 matches played between them, given how emphatically Serena's fans participate in these discussions :facepalm: even though their fave scalps Maria every time they meet, they are STILL pressed and blabbering the same shit over and over again.

Can't wait for that TF Stats thread. I'm 100% positive most renatards have "Maria" or "Sharapova" as their 2nd/3rd most posted word :oh:

I personnally don't care about Maria ^_^

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 09:32 AM
Its mostly in her head. To make it competitive/beat serena, if she is playing well, you need to do at least a couple of things better/different than her. Wozniacki /Clijsters have their movement, Stosur has her topspin etc.

Maria tries to beat Serena at her own game without doing anything different, and thats just not possible given that Maria misses just as much as Serena while being steadily and sometimes violently outhit.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 09:36 AM
Its mostly in her head. To make it competitive/beat serena, if she is playing well, you need to do at least a couple of things better/different than her. Wozniacki /Clijsters have their movement, Stosur has her topspin etc.

Maria tries to beat Serena at her own game, and thats just not possible given that Maria misses just as much as Serena while being steadily outhit.

Why doesn't Serena serve 19 aces against Stosur and Wozniacki then? It's not like THOSE players put any pressure on her serve :oh: or am I underestimating Wozniacki's GOAT FH return?

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 09:36 AM
I must to agree with Maria about this!

Williams sisters playing against Maria Sharapova almost like against Ana Ivanovic, but against rest of tour there is so many ridiculous loses and tank jobs!?

Jealousy is not good!Bitch, please. Jealous of what? You tried the hell out of that. :lol:

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 09:38 AM
Why doesn't Serena serve 19 aces against Stosur and Wozniacki then? It's not like THOSE players put any pressure on her serve :oh: or am I underestimating Wozniacki's GOAT FH return?No, you're overestimating the capabilities of Maria's return game, which IIRC, you called "the best on tour" :lol::lol: I'm sure Maria could become a more effective returner of Serena's serve if she tried.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Why doesn't Serena serve 19 aces against Stosur and Wozniacki then? It's not like THOSE players put any pressure on her serve :oh: or am I underestimating Wozniacki's GOAT FH return?

Serena served 20 aces against Stosur.

Wozniacki has a different positioning when serving than Maria, and has a faster first step. Maria's is aggressive (and works like a charm against not so good servers) and since she stands much closer/inside the baseline even, its easier for Serena to outhit as Serena's disguise and ability to hit most of the service comes into play a lot more.

Its alla bout matchups, and unlike Wozniacki and Sam, Maria tries to beat Serena at her own game (I say tries as she has no other option).

Beat
May 14th, 2012, 09:40 AM
She remembers Wimbledon 2004. And she won't ever forget it.

that's sad, really.

Rest Maria!
May 14th, 2012, 09:40 AM
Why doesn't Serena serve 19 aces against Stosur and Wozniacki then? It's not like THOSE players put any pressure on her serve :oh: or am I underestimating Wozniacki's GOAT FH return?
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Joelina
May 14th, 2012, 09:41 AM
that´s good that Maria still wants to play against Serena ;) you will get that win Maria sooner or later!

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 09:48 AM
Another Serena vs Maria thread :eyeroll: one would think it was tight rivalry with over 40 matches played between them, given how emphatically Serena's fans participate in these discussions :facepalm: even though their fave scalps Maria every time they meet, they are STILL pressed and blabbering the same shit over and over again.

Can't wait for that TF Stats thread. I'm 100% positive most renatards have "Maria" or "Sharapova" as their 2nd/3rd most posted word :oh:

Really? It's Masha who can't stop talking about Serena. I mean what she had to say about Serena, she could've said it about Vika too when Vika was beating her in all these finals, no?! :shrug:

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 09:49 AM
Its mostly in her head. To make it competitive/beat serena, if she is playing well, you need to do at least a couple of things better/different than her. Wozniacki /Clijsters have their movement, Stosur has her topspin etc.

Maria tries to beat Serena at her own game without doing anything different, and thats just not possible given that Maria misses just as much as Serena while being steadily and sometimes violently outhit.

Serena and Maria don't play the same way.
Against Maria, Serena wins most of her points by serving goat and returning goat sth who
obviously work against everyone she is 7-2 against Clijsters in H2H btw. Clijsters ain't a terrible matchup for Serena either.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Serena and Maria don't play the same way.
Against Maria, Serena wins most of her points by serving goat and returning goat sth who
obviously work against everyone she is 7-2 against Clijsters in H2H btw. Clijsters ain't a terrible matchup for Serena either.

They don't play the same way, but at the heart it is first strike tennis, aggressive court positioning, going for it attitude, mental fortitude and intimidation; and Serena is the queen of that. Its the same problem Lindsay faced against Serena. First strike tennis doesnt consistently work against her unless she is playing below average.

The Clijsters h2h is different than the Sharapova h2h. Apart from that one Miami match, Serena never really reduced Kim to a spectator status like she has done to Maria quite a few times. Kim always had a shot and say in the match because of her defence.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Serena served 20 aces against Stosur.

Wozniacki has a different positioning when serving than Maria, and has a faster first step. Maria's is aggressive (and works like a charm against not so good servers) and since she stands much closer/inside the baseline even, its easier for Serena to outhit as Serena's disguise and ability to hit most of the service comes into play a lot more.

Its alla bout matchups, and unlike Wozniacki and Sam, Maria tries to beat Serena at her own game (I say tries as she has no other option).

Oops, my bad! But Stosur beat Serena twice at slams, her GOAT serve seems to be the treat everyone who does that gets :oh:

And the aces part is still applicable to Wozniacki. Serena served like shit in both of their meetings this year and that had NOTHING to do with Wozniacki's "return". Then again, Kaman never beat Serena at a slam.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 10:10 AM
Oops, my bad! But Stosur beat Serena twice at slams, her GOAT serve seems to be the treat everyone who does that gets :oh:


Every player tries to play better against the top players.



And the aces part is still applicable to Wozniacki. Serena served like shit in both of their meetings this year and that had NOTHING to do with Wozniacki's "return". Then again, Kaman never beat Serena at a slam.

Serena lost a grand total 5 points on her serve in the final two sets against Wozniacki, thats pretty GOAT as far as I am concerned.

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 10:16 AM
They don't play the same way, but at the heart it is first strike tennis, aggressive court positioning, going for winners and intimidation. Its the same problem Lindsay faced against Serena; first strike tennis doesnt often work against her unless she is playing below average.

The Clijsters h2h is different than the Sharapova h2h. Apart from that one Miami match, Serena never really reduced Kim to a spectator status like she has done to Maria quite a few times. Kim always had a shot and say in the match because of her defence.

That wasn't necessary to change that phrase :lol: I'm well aware of that.
But like you said the fact that Serena doesn't feel intimidate by Kim and Woz's game ( their game aint about agressiveness ) you won't see her trying to play her first strike tennis and feel obliged to serve really big but against Maria it's another story and they're both well aware of that. That's all Maria is saying and that's the truth, Maria needs to step up on her side though.

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 10:26 AM
That wasn't necessary to change that phrase :lol: I'm well aware of that.
But like you said the fact that Serena doesn't feel intimidate by Kim and Woz's game ( their game aint about agressiveness ) you won't see her trying to play her first strike tennis and feel obliged to serve really big but against Maria it's another story and they're both well aware of that. That's all Maria is saying and that's the truth, Maria needs to step up on her side though.

Oh she DOES try to play 1st strike tennis against Caro and Kim, but because they are good movers..they can force her to rally more. Hence why she struggles more against these type of players.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 10:27 AM
Well it's true Maria, who has ALWAYS relied on her serve (regardless of the improvements and adjustments she's been doing in her movement and point construction skills), will always be at Serena's mercy because of that. Servelesspova is useless against Serena. Returnpova got back to the top 4 in 2011 without a serve, and as good as Maria's return is, it's not enough against Serena. No one's return is enough against Serena really. There may be more ups and downs in some matches where Serena is asleep (e.g. the ones against Kaman this year), but everyone is always at that serve's mercy.

The difference is Serena doesn't waste a set before she brings her serve when playing Maria.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 10:28 AM
Oh she DOES try to play 1st strike tennis against Caro and Kim, but because they are good movers..they can force her to rally more. Hence why she struggles more against these type of players.

She "struggles" against Wozniacki because she plays shit against her. Kim is another story. Peak Clijsters had unmatchable anticipation, and that in itself made her a very good returner. She also had a good to great serve.

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 10:30 AM
That wasn't necessary to change that phrase :lol: I'm well aware of that.
But like you said the fact that Serena doesn't feel intimidate by Kim and Woz's game ( their game aint about agressiveness ) you won't see her trying to play her first strike tennis and feel obliged to serve really big but against Maria it's another story and they're both well aware of that. That's all Maria is saying and that's the truth, Maria needs to step up on her side though.Stop it, these rationalizations. :lol: See Serena against Venus, or Henin for an example of Serena being obliged to serve big and raise her game to a higher level. Serena doesn't typically struggle against aggressive, first strike players, she struggles against players with awesome defense and offensive capabilities, who can mix it up and throw Serena off of her rhythm (Venus, Henin, Junkovic, etc). Serena is not intimidated by Maria's game at ALL, (and has no reason to be - she does everything better) and thats what allows her to swing so freely against her. Serena just has to show up and serve reasonably well, Maria has no answers. Clijsters is a far tougher opponent for Serena than Maria, on par with Henin and Venus. They just rarely face each other.

You keep trying to somehow rationalize this in a way to make this lopsided H2H somehow redeeming for Maria, when its really unredeemable...:lol: Its just like Serena vs Davenport. Except Lindsay had a reliable serve.

Renalicious
May 14th, 2012, 10:47 AM
LOL isn't it funny how Masha's Wimbledon win could end up preventing her from having a better career :help:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 10:48 AM
Stop it, these rationalizations. :lol: See Serena against Venus, or Henin for an example of Serena being obliged to serve big and raise her game to a higher level. Serena doesn't typically struggle against aggressive, first strike players, she struggles against players with awesome defense and offensive capabilities, who can mix it up and throw Serena off of her rhythm (Venus, Henin, Junkovic, etc). Serena is not intimidated by Maria's game at ALL, (and has no reason to be - she does everything better) and thats what allows her to swing so freely against her. Serena just has to show up and serve reasonably well, Maria has no answers. Clijsters is a far tougher opponent for Serena than Maria, on par with Henin and Venus. They just rarely face each other.

You keep trying to somehow rationalize this in a way to make this lopsided H2H somehow redeeming for Maria, when its really unredeemable...:lol: Its just like Serena vs Davenport. Except Lindsay had a reliable serve.

Serena can't just serve "reasonably" well against Maria, come on... Give credit where credit is due. If she served like she has in some matches this year she wouldn't beat Maria.

I love your avatar btw, hilarious :lol: :worship:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 10:52 AM
LOL isn't it funny how Masha's Wimbledon win could end up preventing her from having a better career :help:

Stop it :lol: :sobbing:

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 10:54 AM
Serena can't just serve "reasonably" well against Maria, come on... Give credit where credit is due. If she served like she has in some matches this year she wouldn't beat Maria.

I love your avatar :worship:But she destroys Maria on the return, so a lacklustre serving day would still give Serena the advantage. Then once she gets Maria moving on a non-clay surface, Maria is toast as soon as Serena moves her out wide. :lol: Maria deserves no credit, because her game is totally impotent against my fave.

And thanks. :D

LindsayRulz
May 14th, 2012, 11:00 AM
So after multiple humiliations, Sharapova finally eked out a win against Vika, so you want Serena to play more so Maria can eke out a win against her too? :lol: Maria just played Serena last summer, so its not like its been years. She knows Serena's game very well, as Serena knows hers.

Maria needs to improve her serve and work on her movement/agility, thats the only way she's going to ever seriously challenge Serena. Being Lindsay Davenport 2.0 will never be good enough.

How dare you calling Maria Lindsay 2.0!? :hysteric:

Stop it, these rationalizations. :lol: See Serena against Venus, or Henin for an example of Serena being obliged to serve big and raise her game to a higher level. Serena doesn't typically struggle against aggressive, first strike players, she struggles against players with awesome defense and offensive capabilities, who can mix it up and throw Serena off of her rhythm (Venus, Henin, Junkovic, etc). Serena is not intimidated by Maria's game at ALL, (and has no reason to be - she does everything better) and thats what allows her to swing so freely against her. Serena just has to show up and serve reasonably well, Maria has no answers. Clijsters is a far tougher opponent for Serena than Maria, on par with Henin and Venus. They just rarely face each other.

You keep trying to somehow rationalize this in a way to make this lopsided H2H somehow redeeming for Maria, when its really unredeemable...:lol: Its just like Serena vs Davenport. Except Lindsay had a reliable serve.

Except that Lindsay was able to "give Serena a match" too. :tape:

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 11:02 AM
Serena can't just serve "reasonably" well against Maria, come on... Give credit where credit is due. If she served like she has in some matches this year she wouldn't beat Maria.

I love your avatar btw, hilarious :lol: :worship:

Exactly.

brickhousesupporter
May 14th, 2012, 11:07 AM
So after multiple humiliations, Sharapova finally eked out a win against Vika, so you want Serena to play more so Maria can eke out a win against her too? :lol: Maria just played Serena last summer, so its not like its been years. She knows Serena's game very well, as Serena knows hers.

Maria needs to improve her serve and work on her movement/agility, thats the only way she's going to ever seriously challenge Serena. Being Lindsay Davenport 2.0 will never be good enough.
Don't you just love how they think Maria has figured out Vika? Their next match is going to be a rude awakening.

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 11:07 AM
How dare you calling Maria Lindsay 2.0!? :hysteric:



Except that Lindsay was able to "give Serena a match" too. :tape:I should have clarified. I meant that in terms of Davenport's game, Maria's game is
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2lgqyWzh91qe8r1u.gif
:lol:

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 11:10 AM
Don't you just love how they think Maria has figured out Vika? Their next match is going to be a rude awakening.OK! You wanna talk about somebody that hates Maria and plays out of their mind against her...:lol:
I'm sure that Stuttgart match has her reeling, she can't wait to take another stab at Martha.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 11:13 AM
Don't you just love how they think Maria has figured out Vika? Their next match is going to be a rude awakening.

Why's that? Regardless of how well Maria played the Stuttgart final, Victoria has been sucking lately, so don't eat your words in advance.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 11:14 AM
OK! You wanna talk about somebody that hates Maria and plays out of their mind against her...:lol:
I'm sure that Stuttgart match has her reeling, she can't wait to take another stab at Martha.

Gerl, your taste in music... :facepalm:

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 11:15 AM
So after multiple humiliations, Sharapova finally eked out a win against Vika, so you want Serena to play more so Maria can eke out a win against her too? :lol: Maria just played Serena last summer, so its not like its been years. She knows Serena's game very well, as Serena knows hers.

Maria needs to improve her serve and work on her movement/agility, thats the only way she's going to ever seriously challenge Serena. Being Lindsay Davenport 2.0 will never be good enough.

at least Lindsay was competitive in their matches despite serena winning most of the time :lol:

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 11:17 AM
Gerl, your taste in music... :facepalm:Your taste in favorite players...:facepalm:
Don't come for me, Miss vozas.
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/77483562.gif
:lol:

Destiny
May 14th, 2012, 11:37 AM
LMAOOOO for her to even say this as a competitor lmaooo Serena has warped her mind ! she has messed up her head and the only way to deal is by taking it with a smile !

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 11:41 AM
at least Lindsay was competitive in their matches despite serena winning most of the time :lol:

Yeah because that's what a career is all about, a record vs Serena.
I guess Bammer retired in peace.

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 11:59 AM
Yeah because that's what a career is all about, a record vs Serena.
I guess Bammer retired in peace.

You comparing Maria to Bammer?! Interesting..

Matt01
May 14th, 2012, 12:04 PM
Why's that? Regardless of how well Maria played the Stuttgart final, Victoria has been sucking lately, so don't eat your words in advance.


So Vika's "been sucking lately" but she still made it to the finals of Stuttgart and Madrid where she made it further than Maria couldn't win any moe games against Serena than Vika did.

If I was a Pova fan I would be very quit and not post such crap as you do. :tape:

And I want more of my faves to "suck" as much as Vika does these days. Would do wonders for their careers. :sobbing:

VishaalMaria
May 14th, 2012, 12:16 PM
It's funny how certain Maria fans gloss over the fact that Victoria injured her wrist prior to the Stuttgart final. All those shots with nothing on them, no penetration whatsoever and Victoria still managed to win five games.

I guess they can be deluded if they really believe that "Maria kept playing her and eventually figured her out-so that's the reason she hasn't recorded a win over Serena since 2004" lol lol

jacobruiz
May 14th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Can't blame Maria for answering truthfully when asked by the media about the situation. Since losing to Masha Serena always bring her A game when she faces her, something she doesn't do against other players.

On the other hand, Maria didn't mention that she brings her "folds like a cheap tent" game when she plays Serena. :rolleyes:

jacobruiz
May 14th, 2012, 12:28 PM
It's funny how certain Maria fans gloss over the fact that Victoria injured her wrist prior to the Stuttgart final. All those shots with nothing on them, no penetration whatsoever and Victoria still managed to win five games.

I guess they can be deluded if they really believe that "Maria kept playing her and eventually figured her out-so that's the reason she hasn't recorded a win over Serena since 2004" lol lol

"Extremely Injured" still managed to reach the final of the next tournament, however. ;)

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 12:33 PM
"Severely Injured" still managed to reach the final of the next tournament, however. ;)

she did a soft draw tho not that I am defending her but she got to play her bitch yet again :lol: and othyer players out of form such as Kuzzie and Ivanovic

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 12:36 PM
It's funny how certain Maria fans gloss over the fact that Victoria injured her wrist prior to the Stuttgart final. All those shots with nothing on them, no penetration whatsoever and Victoria still managed to win five games.

I guess they can be deluded if they really believe that "Maria kept playing her and eventually figured her out-so that's the reason she hasn't recorded a win over Serena since 2004" lol lol

Vika's stats against Maria : 15 winners for 18 UE
VIKA's stats against Rena : 6 winners for 19 UE
:lol:
I can understand why you no longer debating about anything you seem really lost. Hopefully Vee will come back at the top very soon therefore you'll be a lil more rational.;)

"Severely Injured" still managed to reach the final of the next tournament, however. ;)

Extremely Injured you mean :lol:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 01:01 PM
The double standards regarding Victoria's form are just :facepalm: on top of that they're used to justify Jameka's performance in Madrid. What kind of sorcery is this? Rena's fans are becoming as irrational and inarticulate as their fave.

Halepsova
May 14th, 2012, 01:03 PM
I just love when Maria lost the match. She's much more likable. :awww:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 01:05 PM
Your taste in favorite players...:facepalm:
Don't come for me, Miss vozas.
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/77483562.gif
:lol:

No no, ain't coming for you dear. I would never be able to root for a dominant player as Serena, it takes half the fun and drama away.

And it has got nothing to do with musical taste. Yours is just bad and there's no way around it really. Ciara? Beyoncé? Gawd... Worldwide culture is truly in a downward spiral. I love Beyoncé live but her music has always been horrible.

And I'm a he :wavey:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 01:07 PM
So Vika's "been sucking lately" but she still made it to the finals of Stuttgart and Madrid where she made it further than Maria couldn't win any moe games against Serena than Vika did.

If I was a Pova fan I would be very quit and not post such crap as you do. :tape:

And I want more of my faves to "suck" as much as Vika does these days. Would do wonders for their careers. :sobbing:

Erm, I was actually defending Victoria, but whatever. Messers be looking for mess

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 01:08 PM
The double standards regarding Victoria's form are just :facepalm: on top of that they're used to justify Jameka's performance in Madrid. What kind of sorcery is this? Rena's fans are becoming as irrational and inarticulate as their fave.

Say what you like about Serena, but stupidity is not one of them.

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 01:10 PM
No no, ain't coming for you dear. I would never be able to root for a dominant player as Serena, it takes half the fun and drama away.

And it has got nothing to do with musical taste. Yours is just bad and there's no way around it really. Ciara? Beyoncé? Gawd... Worldwide culture is truly in a downward spiral. I love Beyoncé live but her music has always been horrible.

And I'm a he :wavey:

Root for Venus then, even a straight forward match on paper becomes a 3 setter of drama ;)

Critique
May 14th, 2012, 01:12 PM
Of course Serena ups her game to play against Maria. This is not really news. Whether it is because of Wimbledon 04, or because Sharapova has a big game, or because Sharapova is a big name, we will never know. The thing we know for sure is that Serena walks onto court fully focussed, imposes her game immediately, and intimidates Maria from the first point.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 01:12 PM
Say what you like about Serena, but stupidity is not one of them.

Irrational and inarticulate doesn't mean stupid. She's anything but.

When I said irrational and inarticulate I was obviously thinking of the Asderaki meltdown. A mess, even though I use the "you're unattractive *pause* inside" bit all the time :lol::lol::lol: so thank you for those meltdowns Rena :)

spartanfan
May 14th, 2012, 01:15 PM
And vice versa, that's clearly what Maria is saying :lol::lol:
Tennis is not a sorority; its a sport. I think that is a ridiculious comment that Maria has made, clearly she's embarassed by the scoreline of her recent defeats against Serena. Serena steps out there to win.

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 01:16 PM
when you said inarticulate I thought you meant as in uneducated. Sorry for the misinterpretation of your post ;)

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 01:26 PM
No no, ain't coming for you dear. I would never be able to root for a dominant player as Serena, it takes half the fun and drama away.

And it has got nothing to do with musical taste. Yours is just bad and there's no way around it really. Ciara? Beyoncé? Gawd... Worldwide culture is truly in a downward spiral. I love Beyoncé live but her music has always been horrible.

And I'm a he :wavey:You don't appear to be particularly savvy, but surely you know that all taste is relative. What you consider bad music, I happen to enjoy a lot. Sort of how I find the gawky, unathletic tennis your personality-less (except when shes being fake bitchy and passive aggressive) fave produces to be horrible, but my opinion has no bearing on your right to enjoy it. :)

jacobruiz
May 14th, 2012, 01:49 PM
You don't appear to be particularly savvy, but surely you know that all taste is relative. What you consider bad music, I happen to enjoy a lot. Sort of how I find the gawky, unathletic tennis your personality-less (except when shes being fake bitchy and passive aggressive) fave produces to be horrible, but my opinion has no bearing on your right to enjoy it. :)

Soooo pressed about Maria. :help: :lol:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 01:50 PM
You don't appear to be particularly savvy, but surely you know that all taste is relative. What you consider bad music, I happen to enjoy a lot. Sort of how I find the gawky, unathletic tennis your personality-less (except when shes being fake bitchy and passive aggressive) fave produces to be horrible, but my opinion has no bearing on your right to enjoy it. :)

No, not all taste is relative. You may enjoy shaking your booty to a Beyoncé song, or a Ciara song, or whatever other shit you have on your last.fm. But their songs are universally recognized as bad. Of course I'll jam to Bad Romance or some random Katy Perry song if I'm drunk, but I won't waste time listening to it on my computer, ever, because it's bad.

And yes, Serena's tennis, especially her service motion, is very pleasing to watch. There's no debate there. I kinda prefer Maria's tennis, but that's not the only reason why I support her. I like the dresses and the fight and the intensity. That indeed is subjective, of course.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 01:52 PM
You don't appear to be particularly savvy, but surely you know that all taste is relative. What you consider bad music, I happen to enjoy a lot. Sort of how I find the gawky, unathletic tennis your personality-less (except when shes being fake bitchy and passive aggressive) fave produces to be horrible, but my opinion has no bearing on your right to enjoy it. :)

Its not just Serena who is doing the snatching :lol:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 02:01 PM
Its not just Serena who is doing the snatching :lol:

Wow... You're so wrapped up in this TF world that you honestly think him slamming Maria is the same as slamming me, a complete stranger who he doesn't even know what looks like :help:

I'm not Maria, you can insult her all you like. No one's getting snatched here. I would hide his last.fm if I was him though. His musical taste is definitely NOT that of a savvy person :oh:

LCS
May 14th, 2012, 02:02 PM
Obviously Serena respects Maria. She's never one to joke around when playing Sharapova. Maria needs to just bring it as well..

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 02:10 PM
Wow... You're so wrapped up in this TF world that you honestly think him slamming Maria is the same as slamming me, a complete stranger who he doesn't even know what looks like :help:

I'm not Maria, you can insult her all you like. No one's getting snatched here. I would hide his last.fm if I was him though. His musical taste is definitely NOT that of a savvy person :oh:Yes, because 7 year old statistics about songs I've played on my computer is a direct reflection of my intelligence. :weirdo:

I don't have to know anything about you; I can spot your lack of savvy purely in your poor argumentation skills. Add to that, the fact that you did some background research on me by rifling through my last.fm statistics, and used them to extrapolate a completely unrelated opinion about me is indicative of the fact that I'm on your mind, just as much as Serena is on Maria's. :lol:

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 14th, 2012, 02:12 PM
No one's getting snatched here.


Good for you :yeah: I am sure thats what Maria keeps repeating to herself too.

DefyingGravity
May 14th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Why doesn't Serena serve 19 aces against Stosur and Wozniacki then? It's not like THOSE players put any pressure on her serve :oh: or am I underestimating Wozniacki's GOAT FH return?

ZcXR6opuXUo

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 02:28 PM
Yes, because 7 year old statistics about songs I've played on my computer is a direct reflection of my intelligence. :weirdo:

I don't have to know anything about you; I can spot your lack of savvy purely in your poor argumentation skills. Add to that, the fact that you did some background research on me by rifling through my last.fm statistics, and used them to extrapolate a completely unrelated opinion about me is indicative of the fact that I'm on your mind, just as much as Serena is on Maria's. :lol:

:oh:

On my mind? I just clicked your last.fm and it showed Ciara and Beyoncé in your top plays. Didn't need to delve much further. Anywho, why would you put your last.fm on your sig if you're gonna come back at people for checking it out? Is it just an excuse for your own poor argumentation skills or just for finding trouble? I'm more inclined to the second 'cause that's clearly something you get off on :oh: your argumentation skills were quite evident even before we even started discussing musical tastes.

And you seem pressed about your intelligence; I didn't say you were dumb dude, that's your own insecurities speaking. I just sad you clearly have poor taste in music :tape:

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 02:28 PM
ZcXR6opuXUo
vozas, it looks like Stosur on the other side

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 02:30 PM
:oh:

On my mind? I just clicked your last.fm and it showed Ciara and Beyoncé in your top plays. Didn't need to delve much further. Anywho, why would you put your last.fm on your sig if you're gonna come back at people for checking it out? Is it just an excuse for your own poor argumentation skills or just for finding trouble? I'm more inclined to the second 'cause that's clearly something you get off on :oh: your argumentation skills were quite evident even before we even started discussing musical tastes.

And you seem pressed about your intelligence; I didn't say you were dumb dude, that's your own insecurities speaking. I just sad you clearly have poor taste in music :tape:Girl whatever. Stay pressed, whining and never winning, just like your fave. :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
May 14th, 2012, 02:32 PM
You comparing Maria to Bammer?! Interesting..

oh how the fallen have fallen some more :lol:

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 02:32 PM
Girl whatever. Stay pressed, whining and never winning, just like your fave. :lol:

:oh: glad you got the picture :)

Stamp Paid
May 14th, 2012, 02:38 PM
Glad you got it, too. Please don't be a stalker from here on out. I know how pressed girls get when they latch onto a target.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ek8nDg761qma32qo6_250.gif

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Glad you got it, too. Please don't be a stalker from here on out. I know how pressed girls get when they latch onto a target.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ek8nDg761qma32qo6_250.gif

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/332/2/4/goodbye_gif_by_beatlesbug-d4hlygh.gif

harloo
May 14th, 2012, 02:44 PM
I really didn't think Maria was this clueless. It's been 7 years and she's finally figured out that top players adjust their game according to the level of their opponent. Obviously, the concept of elevating your game when faced with tougher opponents is foreign to the new breed of top players. Clijsters, Davenport, Venus(in her prime), Serena, Henin, Monica, Steffi, etc. all upped the level of their game when they had to face each other or a dangerous opponent with the capability to defeat them.

You don't have to play the same way against someone who's 50-100 in the world with no slams or regular titles compared to a player who's won multiple titles and slams. It's not some secret or revelation because it's been done before. Serena has been doing that for YEARS and not only against her. Generation Suck is so weak. I can't believe this even came out of Maria's mouth. :lol::tape:

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 03:12 PM
People are really misinterpreting what Maria is saying. She is not whining about the situation(really not her style) she also delivered her best against many players because she had to. She is just saying that she is proud that Serena(the goat) feels this way about her there is nothing else to understand.
Now you can let this thread die.

spartanfan
May 14th, 2012, 03:15 PM
I really didn't think Maria was this clueless. It's been 7 years and she's finally figured out that top players adjust their game according to the level of their opponent. Obviously, the concept of elevating your game when faced with tougher opponents is foreign to the new breed of top players. Clijsters, Davenport, Venus(in her prime), Serena, Henin, Monica, Steffi, etc. all upped the level of their game when they had to face each other or a dangerous opponent with the capability to defeat them.

You don't have to play the same way against someone who's 50-100 in the world with no slams or regular titles compared to a player who's won multiple titles and slams. It's not some secret or revelation because it's been done before. Serena has been doing that for YEARS and not only against her. Generation Suck is so weak. I can't believe this even came out of Maria's mouth. :lol::tape:
Agreed. She really does sound kinda weak and stupid making that comment.

VishaalMaria
May 14th, 2012, 03:17 PM
Vika's stats against Maria : 15 winners for 18 UE
VIKA's stats against Rena : 6 winners for 19 UE
:lol:
I can understand why you no longer debating about anything you seem really lost. Hopefully Vee will come back at the top very soon therefore you'll be a lil more rational.;)



Extremely Injured you mean :lol:

You do know that those stats back up my argument?:tape:

Read my initial post again, and then have a look at those stats.

This has nothing to do with Venus. But if anyone needs to get back on top and win a slam it's Maria considering, out of all the top players, she's the one that's gone the longest without winning a slam. Even Sjogrens Vee has won a major more recently than her.

But it's fine. I guess as a Maria fan I would take solace in the fact that she can beat the likes of Petra and Victoria although not when it really matters. ;)

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 03:23 PM
You do know that those stats back up my argument?:tape:

Read my initial post again, and then have a look at those stats.

This has nothing to do with Venus. But if anyone needs to get back on top and win a slam it's Maria considering, out of all the top players, she's the one that's gone the longest without winning a slam. Even Sjogrens Vee has won a major more recently than her.

Yeah but that wasn't my point. Vika did play a lot better against Maria than against Serena she really fought in the second set while against Ree she kept DF and DF, her attitude was pathetic. Serena outplayed her but Vika really disappointed me she could have put a better fight than that. A shame.

But it's fine. I guess as a Maria fan I would take solace in the fact that she can beat the likes of Petra and Victoria although not when it really matters. ;)

Just a matter of time.

supergrunt
May 14th, 2012, 03:31 PM
I would feel sorry for Masha, but she was SO smug whenever she beat the Williams sisters, and she had the whole tennis world on her side before they realized that she wasn't as talented. Why, you ask? That's a hard question to answer.

NashaMasha
May 14th, 2012, 03:32 PM
"I don't play to be No.2. I don't think Victoria plays to be No.2, nor does Maria,"

Serena seems to have respect only for Maria and Vika nowadays , it is her main rivals for being the best in present women tennis and she will always play GOAT in this matches

But she is still able to lose someone mediocre or whom she underestimate

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 03:34 PM
Even Sjogrens Vee has won a major more recently than her.

Don't you just love it when Vinas fans use this argument? It's like the only one they have, and it's such a stupid one, considering Maria stopped playing right after that same Wimbledon Vinas won because she could barely lift her arm. Vinas, if anything, should've done more damage on the tour if even Sjogren-struck she's so much better than Maria. She still won the YEC and all, why not translate that into more slams?

Yeah, don't. Try again.

dany.p
May 14th, 2012, 03:39 PM
No big deal.

Serena says this a lot about about other players as well. That they bring an extremely high level of tennis when they verse her, as opposed to there normal level of play. You try to bring your a game when you play quality opponents.

Serena leads the head-to-head 8-2. This is not by chance. She knows she needs to bring her game against a quality opponent like Sharapova, and she does.

jacobruiz
May 14th, 2012, 03:58 PM
I would feel sorry for Masha, but she was SO smug whenever she beat the Williams sisters, and she had the whole tennis world on her side before they realized that she wasn't as talented. Why, you ask? That's a hard question to answer.

How exactly was Maria "so smug"? I am asking because this is an absolute lie. Say what you want about tennis commentaters, media, TF posters, or what have you, but Maria herself was never "smug" about beating the Williams sisters.

Vuvurenka
May 14th, 2012, 04:06 PM
What is wrong with Maria saying that and how the hell did it evoke yet another Serena-Maria debate?

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 04:18 PM
What is wrong with Maria saying that and how the hell did it evoke yet another Serena-Maria debate?
Nothing wrong, but did you seriously believe it would not start another Serena-Maria debate?

You should know by now that countless Serena-Maria debates have been started with only of the 2 names mentioned in a thread, so I understand why you are so surprised there is debate when Maria and Serena engage each other directly... through their press conf.

Feyd
May 14th, 2012, 04:38 PM
The fact is Serena always comes to Maria matches in good tournament form already. All 8 wins over Maria led to 8 titles of Serena.

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 04:39 PM
The fact is Serena always comes to Maria matches in good tournament form already. All 8 wins over Maria led to 8 titles of Serena.

This :oh:

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 05:02 PM
What is wrong with Maria saying that and how the hell did it evoke yet another Serena-Maria debate?

Nothing...only that it implies that Serena has to play the match of her life to beat Masha. Just ain't true.

jameshazza
May 14th, 2012, 05:05 PM
Could have very easily pulled a 'violated' stunt after that performance but didn't. Masha has always been complimentary of Rena.

jameshazza
May 14th, 2012, 05:08 PM
Nothing wrong, but did you seriously believe it would not start another Serena-Maria debate?

You should know by now that countless Serena-Maria debates have been started with only of the 2 names mentioned in a thread, so I understand why you are so surprised there is debate when Maria and Serena engage each other directly... through their press conf.Could be talkin bout the ITF tournaments and they'd still start :tape:

HRHoliviasmith
May 14th, 2012, 05:09 PM
Nothing...only that it implies that Serena has to play the match of her life to beat Masha. Just ain't true.

In the twisted minds of cakewalk-p and her mashabators, this is the case. Morons (minus a very select few).

jameshazza
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SerenaMJ
May 14th, 2012, 05:14 PM
She's delusional. As if Serena didn't play like this against others... she thinks she's the only one, ok whatever - keep dreaming.

jacobruiz
May 14th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Nothing...only that it implies that Serena has to play the match of her life to beat Masha. Just ain't true.

In the twisted minds of cakewalk-p and her mashabators, this is the case. Morons (minus a very select few).

She's delusional. As if Serena didn't play like this against others... she thinks she's the only one, ok whatever - keep dreaming.

Lies all around but keep on if it makes you better. Maria simply answered a question from the press honestly about Serena's quality of play against her. It's not like she said she felt "violated", Serena only "trees" against her, she was playing "only 10 %", she wasn't really "there", etc....:shrug:

LeRoy.
May 14th, 2012, 06:49 PM
All top tennis players (including Maria and Serena) delude themselves into believing that their opponents play their best against them. :shrug:

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Lies all around but keep on if it makes you better. Maria simply answered a question from the press honestly about Serena's quality of play against her. It's not like she said she felt "violated", Serena only "trees" against her, she was playing "only 10 %", she wasn't really "there", etc....:shrug:

When you the greatest active player, well..you get to say those things. Masha is barely the 4th most acomplished active player, so she don't get to say these things. Masha beating Serena? Then Serena can say Masha tees to beat her. Serena beating Masha?! ONLY thing Masha's allowed to say: too good. That's it. :p:devil:

BluSthil
May 14th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Bull.... ! Maria's flattered that Serena likes to do that against me ! Clench that fist and tap that leg Marsha ! If you ever noticed, Maria's explanations after a loss are far different than her press briefs after a win. Normal you say ! Well, Maria knows how to channel internal 'grief' after a loss, especially by Serena, into an uplifting experience. She's a seasoned pro at deflection ! I absolutely love it when Serena takes her to the wood shed :-)

gazeboes2004
May 14th, 2012, 07:14 PM
that's sad, really.

No what's sad is the number 1 and number 2 players in the world getting beaten comprehensively by a 30 year old, soon 31 year old dinosaur "has been" :happy:

HRHoliviasmith
May 14th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Lies all around but keep on if it makes you better. Maria simply answered a question from the press honestly about Serena's quality of play against her. It's not like she said she felt "violated", Serena only "trees" against her, she was playing "only 10 %", she wasn't really "there", etc....:shrug:

Hi jacobruiz, how are you? hope you're doing well. :wavey: Thanks for your/the mashabator interpretation clearing that up. ;):p

When you the greatest active player, well..you get to say those things. Masha is barely the 4th most acomplished active player, so she don't get to say these things. Masha beating Serena? Then Serena can say Masha tees to beat her. Serena beating Masha?! ONLY thing Masha's allowed to say: too good. That's it. :p:devil:

lol

HRHoliviasmith
May 14th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Bull.... ! Maria's flattered that Serena likes to do that against me ! Clench that fist and tap that leg Marsha ! If you ever noticed, Maria's explanations after a loss are far different than her press briefs after a win. Normal you say ! Well, Maria knows how to channel internal 'grief' after a loss, especially by Serena, into an uplifting experience. She's a seasoned pro at deflection ! I absolutely love it when Serena takes her to the wood shed :-)

me too. :drool:

doomsday
May 14th, 2012, 07:19 PM
Nothing...only that it implies that Serena has to play the match of her life to beat Masha. Just ain't true.

:lol::lol::lol::lol: don't get an ulcer just for this statement. :lol: :lol:

iWill
May 14th, 2012, 07:27 PM
I believe the reason Serena has beaten Sharapova so many times is pretty obvious and a combination of a few different factors.

1. Sharapova beat Serena for the Wimbledon title 2004. This match is probably the biggest upset in the past decade in a major final. Almost worst than Serena's loss to Stosur at the US Open last year. This win launched Sharapova onto the international scene as the star of women's tennis and she picked up numerous endorsements following her Wimbledon title. Ever since this year Sharapova has beaten Serena in the highest paid female athlete contest after Serena had been on top for a few years. Serena may not admit it but I'm sure that is extra motivation.

2. Sharapova beat serena AGAIN in 2004 in the YEC Final. Not only did Sharapova beat Serena 2 in a row but she took two huge titles away from her in the same year. Had Serena not been injured in this match she would have won and NO ONE should dispute that. I remember watching and Serena took 4 staight in the final set trying to blast Maria off the court but wasnt able to stand the pain and seal the deal and Sharapova won the next 6 games and the match. This bothered Serena she couldn't run at all in that set but didn't want to retire and it is clear she took mental note of her feelings following that loss.

3. Serena is a better player than Maria. All the other factors aside Serena's serve, athleticism, return game, mental edge... I could go on is superior to Maria's game. She will not beat Serena if she isn't able to serve GREAT and to run around the court and make Serena play extra shots. Until Maria changes these elements of her game, which seems unlikely Serena will continue to beat her. Its not hard for Serena to get amped up about playing Sharapova so until she has an off day or Maria elevates her game the H2H will remain skewed in Serena's favor.

bandabou
May 14th, 2012, 07:36 PM
:lol::lol::lol::lol: don't get an ulcer just for this statement. :lol: :lol:

;)

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 07:40 PM
:lol::lol::lol::lol: don't get an ulcer just for this statement. :lol: :lol:
doomsday, you have incredible coping skills against adversity.:lol::lol:

Tennisation
May 14th, 2012, 07:46 PM
This had nothing to do with Serena, it just proves that Sharapova overestimated her ROS skills.

VishaalMaria
May 14th, 2012, 07:49 PM
Don't you just love it when Vinas fans use this argument? It's like the only one they have, and it's such a stupid one, considering Maria stopped playing right after that same Wimbledon Vinas won because she could barely lift her arm. Vinas, if anything, should've done more damage on the tour if even Sjogren-struck she's so much better than Maria. She still won the YEC and all, why not translate that into more slams?

Yeah, don't. Try again.

There's a difference between an argument and a fact.

The statement basically was that Venus has won a slam more recently than Maria.

Is it untrue? No.

Try again.

If anything, the time to dominate and win slams for Maria is now. After all, she isn't getting any younger.

LightWarrior
May 14th, 2012, 08:12 PM
I like Maria but that was kind of stupid of her to say that. For 2 reasons :
- Serena served about as many aces against her other opponents in Madrid
- She subconsciously admits to an inferiority complex against Serena

NashaMasha
May 14th, 2012, 08:15 PM
I like Maria but that was kind of stupid of her to say that. For 2 reasons :
- Serena served about as many aces against her other opponents in Madrid
- She subconsciously admits to an inferiority complex against Serena

She was probably watching Caro-Serena match, in which Serena was playing at her 30-40% and even 20% in the first set

supergrunt
May 14th, 2012, 08:47 PM
How exactly was Maria "so smug"? I am asking because this is an absolute lie. Say what you want about tennis commentaters, media, TF posters, or what have you, but Maria herself was never "smug" about beating the Williams sisters.

You might be right. I think that as tennis fans, we often associate the player with her fan base/supporters in the tennis community; moreover, we tend to make negative associations between people who are successful and belong to the majority group and the unspoken social prejudices that underlie their privilege. For instance, Maria is paid more than Serena at Nike because her clothes sell more. Her clothes sell more because...

Serena can't make people in the tennis community like her; all she can do is beat Maria mercilessly and repeatedly so that Serena doesn't give companies like Nike an excuse to pay her less or drop her. I think that this is what her rivalry with Maria represents for Serena and her fans--a "f*ck you" to a company like Nike (which sponsors both of them, but treats one differently), and by extension, the tennis world.

But you're right, that's not Maria's fault: all she was trying to do was win her matches. :)

The Daviator
May 14th, 2012, 09:51 PM
I should have clarified. I meant that in terms of Davenport's game, Maria's game is
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2lgqyWzh91qe8r1u.gif
:lol:

:lol:

So what if Serena brings her A game all the time against Maria. All it does is reinforce the gulf between them again and again :lol:

Pump-it-UP
May 14th, 2012, 10:07 PM
I must to agree with Maria about this!

Williams sisters playing against Maria Sharapova almost like against Ana Ivanovic, but against rest of tour there is so many ridiculous loses and tank jobs!?

Jealousy is not good!

:crying2:

jacobruiz
May 14th, 2012, 11:09 PM
You might be right. I think that as tennis fans, we often associate the player with her fan base/supporters in the tennis community; moreover, we tend to make negative associations between people who are successful and belong to the majority group and the unspoken social prejudices that underlie their privilege. For instance, Maria is paid more than Serena at Nike because her clothes sell more. Her clothes sell more because...

Serena can't make people in the tennis community like her; all she can do is beat Maria mercilessly and repeatedly so that Serena doesn't give companies like Nike an excuse to pay her less or drop her. I think that this is what her rivalry with Maria represents for Serena and her fans--a "f*ck you" to a company like Nike (which sponsors both of them, but treats one differently), and by extension, the tennis world.

But you're right, that's not Maria's fault: all she was trying to do was win her matches. :)

Still doesn't explain why you are lying about Maria's character. :rolleyes:

mdterp01
May 14th, 2012, 11:24 PM
that´s good that Maria still wants to play against Serena ;) you will get that win Maria sooner or later!

No she won't. :lol:

Foot_Fault
May 14th, 2012, 11:39 PM
Fair enough; BUT while Serena seems to be active in Maria's head(by what we see on the court), Maria is so idle in Serena's head, she does not even know she (Maria) is there:devil:

OWNED!!! Great Comeback!

aznunit2k5
May 15th, 2012, 12:00 AM
http://gifsoup.com/view4/1212566/wozniacki-doha-o.gif

Matt01
May 15th, 2012, 12:17 AM
It's not like she said she felt "violated",


Haha, I almost already forgot about that :rolls:

Nicolás89
May 15th, 2012, 12:30 AM
Paranoid Pova. :hug:

This is like Rena saying everyone plays the match of their life against her but on a smaller proportion of course. Pova probably feels the same with Fake too. :lol:

danieln1
May 15th, 2012, 12:42 AM
http://gifsoup.com/view4/1212566/wozniacki-doha-o.gif

Funniest and most random post in the thread :happy: :happy:

It´s not fun what happened to her, funny is just that is so random in this thread :rolleyes:

Dominic
May 15th, 2012, 04:10 AM
Paranoid Pova. :hug:

This is like Rena saying everyone plays the match of their life against her but on a smaller proportion of course. Pova probably feels the same with Fake too. :lol:

How is this similar at all :lol: This wouldnt be true. What Maria said is in fact 100% true.

HeninFan_2008
May 15th, 2012, 04:32 AM
Masha is delusional if she thinks that she has any chance to beat Serena anywhere. Shoulderpova might as well retire and save herself the embarrassment of further beatdowns.

bandabou
May 15th, 2012, 06:12 AM
How is this similar at all :lol: This wouldnt be true. What Maria said is in fact 100% true.

Is it?!

vozas
May 15th, 2012, 08:20 AM
Shoulderpova might as well retire and save herself the embarrassment of further beatdowns.

:facepalm:

The whole tour should retire then, if being unable to beat Serena makes it pointless to be a professional tennis player :shrug:

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 08:25 AM
:facepalm:

The whole tour should retire then, if being unable to beat Serena makes it pointless to be a professional tennis player :shrug:

Don't bother.:lol: He is a Heninfan this is how things work with them, as soon as you receive a beatdown from a player you have to run away his fave was very good at it :shrug:

vozas
May 15th, 2012, 08:33 AM
Don't bother.:lol: He is a Heninfan this is how things work with them, as soon as you receive a beatdown from a player you have to run away his fave was very good at it :shrug:

:oh:

Still got some 2008 bagels stuck in his teeth it seems :oh:

PetraReeMona
May 15th, 2012, 08:45 AM
:oh:

Still got some 2008 bagels stuck in his teeth it seems :oh:

Was she ever bageled in a Grand Slam final? :oh:

That must be the most humiliating feeling - being bageled in a GS final with millions of people watching :spit:

Nothing beats that :oh:... mind you, being beaten by a rookie in a GS final comes very close :oh: Oops ... I forgot she got beaten by 2 rookies :haha:

These Mashturds must be very young - they leave themselves so wide open :lol:

vozas
May 15th, 2012, 08:49 AM
Was she ever bageled in a Grand Slam final? :oh:

That must be the most humiliating feeling - being bageled in a GS final with millions of people watching :spit:

Nothing beats that :oh:... mind you, being beaten by a rookie in a GS final comes very close :oh: Oops ... I forgot she got beaten by 2 rookies :haha:

These Mashturds must be very young - they leave themselves so wide open :lol:

I have the feeling you post 10x as much about Maria as you do about the player in your avatar; by the way, maybe it's time you change it no?

Can't blame you though, there's not much to post about Kvitova at all nowadays :shrug: :oh:

PetraReeMona
May 15th, 2012, 08:54 AM
I have the feeling you post 10x as much about Maria as you do about the player in your avatar; by the way, maybe it's time you change it no?

Can't blame you though, there's not much to post about Kvitova at all nowadays :shrug: :oh:

You didn't answer my question....

Was Henin ever bagelled in a GS final (as per Masha)? :oh:

Ooh, another question. Was Henin ever beaten by 2 rookies in a GS final? :oh:

Yet another question. Was Henin ever given a BEATDOWN (as per AO 2007) in a GS final? :oh::oh::oh:

:lol::lol::lol:

vozas
May 15th, 2012, 09:01 AM
You didn't answer my question....

Was Henin ever bagelled in a GS final (as per Masha)? :oh:

Ooh, another question. Was Henin ever beaten by 2 rookies in a GS final? :oh:

Yet another question. Was Henin ever given a BEATDOWN (as per AO 2007) in a GS final? :oh::oh::oh:

:lol::lol::lol:

You sound really obsessed with Maria. Why don't you change your nickname to I.Hate.Maria ? It would be that much appropriate because if it weren't for that zombie in your avatar one wouldn't even be aware you have a favorite since you so seldom talk about her :oh: again, can't blame you, she has been irrelevant this year and in her 2 best results of the current season (two semis) she was promptly dismissed by a superior player with a superior career, who, by the way, is the same player you keep talking about incessantly (even more than most of her fans actually :scared:). Do I see a pattern? :oh:

So let's get something straight: you're a Kvitova fan talking about Henin on a Maria vs Serena thread? :weirdo:

PetraReeMona
May 15th, 2012, 09:08 AM
You sound really obsessed with Maria. Why don't you change your nickname to I.Hate.Maria ? It would be that much appropriate because if it weren't for that zombie in your avatar one wouldn't even be aware you have a favorite since you so seldom talk about her :oh: again, can't blame you, she has been irrelevant this year and in her 2 best results of the current season (two semis) she was promptly dismissed by a superior player with a superior career, who, by the way, is the same player you keep talking about incessantly (even more than most of her fans actually :scared:). Do I see a pattern? :oh:

So let's get something straight: you're a Kvitova fan talking about Henin on a Maria vs Serena thread? :weirdo:

You were the one that started talking about her first- I was just responding to you :oh:

Why do you have resort to personal insults - can't you continue the conversation instead of resorting to insults. I didn't insult ... I was just stating FACTS! :oh: :wavey:

vozas
May 15th, 2012, 09:12 AM
You were the one that started talking about her first- I was just responding to you :oh:

Why do you have resort to personal insults - can't you continue the conversation instead of resorting to insults. I didn't insult ... I was just stating FACTS! :oh: :wavey:

I didn't even bring Henin up, but whatever. And I ain't resorting to no personal insults. I'm insulting your lame ass, obsessed posts about Maria and everything she does. Why don't you worry about your fave? Maria already has plenty of fans to talk about her beatdowns :oh:

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 09:16 AM
There is no need to answer to you. You're jumping on every player just to argue with Pova fans you're really strange and your sole purpose on this board is having an argument with us.
You're after every Pova fan post, trying to bring her down by using others players' achievements not even your fave's ones what the hell is that ? you're really creepy.

miffedmax
May 15th, 2012, 12:39 PM
Please put this thread back on topic.

Thank you.

serenafan08
May 15th, 2012, 01:58 PM
Thing is, Serena is mentally superior to Maria. Maybe Maria said this in a way to sort of "turn the tables," but the only thing this will do is give Serena more reason to go out and beat her like she stole something as she said in 2007.

jacobruiz
May 15th, 2012, 02:41 PM
Thing is, Serena is mentally superior to Maria. Maybe Maria said this in a way to sort of "turn the tables," but the only thing this will do is give Serena more reason to go out and beat her like she stole something as she said in 2007.

That's what Maria was saying. :rolleyes: She just stated the truth and reetards think there is something wrong with it.

Dominic
May 15th, 2012, 03:13 PM
Was she ever bageled in a Grand Slam final? :oh:

That must be the most humiliating feeling - being bageled in a GS final with millions of people watching :spit:

Nothing beats that :oh:... mind you, being beaten by a rookie in a GS final comes very close :oh: Oops ... I forgot she got beaten by 2 rookies :haha:

These Mashturds must be very young - they leave themselves so wide open :lol:

What's your point? That you're sad and childish? Got it.

dsanders06
May 15th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Actually, I think the Willytards are right in this case. Serena doesn't play particularly well against Maria in their matches, the AO07 final aside - their last two matches in particular have been more about Maria playing very badly and well below her average standard than Serena playing particuarly well :shrug: Glad the Willytards agree with that.

brickhousesupporter
May 15th, 2012, 04:01 PM
Actually, I think the Willytards are right in this case. Serena doesn't play particularly well against Maria in their matches, the AO07 final aside - their last two matches in particular have been more about Maria playing very badly and well below her average standard than Serena playing particuarly well :shrug: Glad the Willytards agree with that.
Well look who showed up......welcome back

Nicolás89
May 15th, 2012, 04:06 PM
So now Maria playing badly against Serena is some sort of comfort for her fans. The've come a long way. :LMAO:

HRHoliviasmith
May 15th, 2012, 04:08 PM
So now Maria playing badly against Serena is some sort of comfort for her fans. The've come a long way. :LMAO:

:lol::lol: :lol:

dsanders06
May 15th, 2012, 04:08 PM
So now Maria playing badly against Serena is some sort of comfort for her fans. The've come a long way. :LMAO:

Who said it was a "comfort" (whatever that is even supposed to mean in this context)? :lol: It's just the facts.

Nicolás89
May 15th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Who said it was a "comfort" (whatever that is even supposed to mean in this context)? :lol: It's just the facts.

:help:

Comfort: feeling of relief.
Find a dictionary. :LMAO:

vozas
May 15th, 2012, 04:13 PM
http://data.whicdn.com/images/24161528/529326396_large.gif

bandabou
May 15th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Actually, I think the Willytards are right in this case. Serena doesn't play particularly well against Maria in their matches, the AO07 final aside - their last two matches in particular have been more about Maria playing very badly and well below her average standard than Serena playing particuarly well :shrug: Glad the Willytards agree with that.

:lol: dsanders, dsanders.. the point is: Masha's form is IRRELEVANT. It's all on Serena...if she brings any form, Maria loses..simple.

Alejandrawrrr
May 15th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Oh Lordt, this thread was on it's way to dying before Dslanders showed up. Just for that I hope it makes it to 1000 posts :cool: He'll need it to dethrone Vikapower this coming TWAT season :oh:

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 04:40 PM
:lol: dsanders, dsanders.. the point is: Masha's form is IRRELEVANT. It's all on Serena...if she brings any form, Maria loses..simple.

Geez, now that a Masha fan agree with you you find a way to bring Maria down again.
Beside Dsanders where did Maria say that Serena was playing matches of her life she just said that the serve seems really great everytime she faces her. Maria doesn't give much importance about Serena's return because if she serves well enough Serena won't come up with such great returns except maybe on second serves.
Youre all missing Maria's point here.

dsanders06
May 15th, 2012, 04:42 PM
:help:

Comfort: feeling of relief.
Find a dictionary. :LMAO:

:help:

I didn't say I didn't know what the word "comfort" means. I said I didn't know what it was supposed to mean IN THIS CONTEXT. Something your definition didn't answer.
Find some reading glasses :LMAO:

:lol: dsanders, dsanders.. the point is: Masha's form is IRRELEVANT. It's all on Serena...if she brings any form, Maria loses..simple.

Then how come Willytards for the entire thread before this were saying Maria always plays badly whenever she's up against Serena and that Serena doesn't even play well against her? :happy: Seeing as you seemingly can't grasp this, I was actually disagreeing with what Maria said in the quote in the OP - something you and the rest of your clan were also doing. You guys don't even know what you're arguing half the time. :lol:

Oh Lordt, this thread was on it's way to dying before Dslanders showed up. Just for that I hope it makes it to 1000 posts :cool: He'll need it to dethrone Vikapower this coming TWAT season :oh:

That's the plan :drool:

(Though I'll confess I'm not quite sure how just a 40-minute absence of posts means a thread is "on it's way to dying").

Nicolás89
May 15th, 2012, 04:42 PM
What's Maria's point exactly? Because it sure sounds like she would expect Serena to make it easier for her. Fierce competitor.

Nicolás89
May 15th, 2012, 04:43 PM
:help:

I didn't say I didn't know what the word "comfort" means. I said I didn't know what it was supposed to mean IN THIS CONTEXT. Something your definition didn't answer.
Find some reading glasses :LMAO:

Maybe that's your problem not mine. :facepalm:

young_gunner913
May 15th, 2012, 04:45 PM
So now Maria playing badly against Serena is some sort of comfort for her fans. The've come a long way. :LMAO:

Exactly. :lol:

dsanders06
May 15th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Maybe that's your problem not mine. :facepalm:

No, it's actually yours. You're going to have to show me where in that post I showed a "feeling of relief" :scratch:

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 04:49 PM
What's Maria's point exactly? Because it sure sounds like she would expect Serena to make it easier for her. Fierce competitor.

Do you really believe the shit you're saying. Maria is well aware that Serena is a fierce competitor and that's never gonna change she is a big competitor as well and you know it.

HRHoliviasmith
May 15th, 2012, 04:50 PM
What's Maria's point exactly? Because it sure sounds like she would expect Serena to make it easier for her. Fierce competitor.

Pretty much.

I think she got spoiled after Vika gifter her that semi-final last year in Rome. *snicker*

bandabou
May 15th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Geez, now that a Masha fan agree with you you find a way to bring Maria down again.
Beside Dsanders where did Maria say that Serena was playing matches of her life she just said that the serve seems really great everytime she faces her. Maria doesn't give much importance about Serena's return because if she serves well enough Serena won't come up with such great returns except maybe on second serves.
Youre all missing Maria's point here.

Dsanders is saying that Masha played so badly, that's why Serena won...and Masha's saying that Serena's always ultra pumped up against her, as opposed to other players?..that's why Serena beats her.

Neither is true. Serena beats Masha because Serena is the and has ALWAYS been the BETTER player. There was a time when the hype was outliving reality, but by now it's finally sunk.

Rocketta
May 15th, 2012, 06:01 PM
*If* Serena ups her game when she plays Maria ( I personally just think she makes sure she is focused and ready, ie not doing anything to effect her performance before the match) it's not because Serena dislikes Maria personally. I don't think it has anything to do with Maria personally but much more the Sharapova hype machine. I don't think Serena cares one way or the other about Maria. She cares about the fact that no matter how much better she is than others she constantly has to prove it over and over and over. Being better than Sharapova is just one thing she doesn't want to have questioned or have to prove again.

Now if Maria knew that what motivates Serena in my opinion is the fact that most of her off court and some of the on court accolades are not given to Sharapova because of her tennis ability and success but her appearance... I don't think she would think that flattering.... well I would hope she wouldn't think it's flattering. :shrug:

NashaMasha
May 15th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Serena is the and has ALWAYS been the BETTER player.

she wasn't a better player in Wimbledon 2004. But she is still trying to prove that she was

Rocketta
May 15th, 2012, 06:07 PM
she wasn't a better player in Wimbledon 2004. But she is still trying to prove that she was

No, she's proved it a long time ago.... now she's just reminding anyone who may have forgot. :hehehe:

NashaMasha
May 15th, 2012, 06:14 PM
No, she's proved it a long time ago.... now she's just reminding anyone who may have forgot. :hehehe:
It can be called in any way you want, but if Serena loses any match to Sharapova she would sign and stamp "i am not so much better"

tennisbum79
May 15th, 2012, 06:23 PM
Doing a second read on Maria's statement.

Here is what I think she is trying to get across.

We all know how Serena often says, " If I just play my game and do all the things I need to do , I don't care what the opponent (no matter who that is) does, it will be hard to beat me"
Maria is saying the very fact that Serena has decided to have a particular game plan, taylored to Maria specifically, shows how much respect Serena has for her.
And Maria saying she is flattered, is retunring the respect to Serena.

Mutual respect to each other is my final read.

This post amends all previous comments I made in this thread

tennisbum79
May 15th, 2012, 07:13 PM
Do you really believe the shit you're saying. Maria is well aware that Serena is a fierce competitor and that's never gonna change she is a big competitor as well and you know it.
I have revised my reading of Maria's statement, you should like the new version.

Just see above
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21425432&postcount=188

bandabou
May 15th, 2012, 07:13 PM
she wasn't a better player in Wimbledon 2004. But she is still trying to prove that she was

Ah Wimbledon ' 04..even a blind squirrel catches a nut sometimes, no?! :shrug: ;)

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 07:26 PM
I have revised my reading of Maria's statement, you should like the new version.

Just see above
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21425432&postcount=188

And I agree with this, very good post.
Some comments are really stupid but I shouldn't be that surprised though I remember some Rena fans already saying that Maria was trying to move Serena emotionally by calling her while she was on her deathbed :facepalm: I swear I've seen everything on this board.

danieln1
May 15th, 2012, 07:38 PM
I think there are more relevant clay players that Serena should be worried about instead of Sharapova

Paneru
May 15th, 2012, 07:47 PM
she wasn't a better player in Wimbledon 2004. But she is still trying to prove that she was

The better player on a specific day and in general are two different things. ;)

Paneru
May 15th, 2012, 07:49 PM
I think there are more relevant clay players that Serena should be worried about instead of Sharapova

:lol:

That would be true, if Serena were worried in the first place.
She isn't.

PetraReeMona
May 15th, 2012, 07:54 PM
she wasn't a better player in Wimbledon 2004. But she is still trying to prove that she was

I doubt Serena needs to prove anything with amount of BEATDOOOOOOOWWWNNSSSS Pova gets from her, with all tennis fans/audience viewing :rolls:

I think by now they know :tape:

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 08:10 PM
I doubt Serena needs to prove anything with amount of BEATDOOOOOOOWWWNNSSSS Pova gets from her, with all tennis fans/audience viewing :rolls:

I think by now they know :tape:

Oh you finally over the dyslexic comment :lol:

PetraReeMona
May 15th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Oh you finally over the dyslexic comment :lol:

Absolutely. I reported it and it was removed :)

JN
May 15th, 2012, 10:06 PM
Is Maria also flattered that Serena beats the boyshorts off her each and every time she does it against her? :tape:

Diesel
May 16th, 2012, 02:43 AM
And I agree with this, very good post.
Some comments are really stupid but I shouldn't be that surprised though I remember some Rena fans already saying that Maria was trying to move Serena emotionally by calling her while she was on her deathbed :facepalm: I swear I've seen everything on this board.

Was this ever substantiated :confused: :lol: It seemed like someone's fantasy running away with them.

brickhousesupporter
May 16th, 2012, 02:47 AM
Was this ever substantiated :confused: :lol: It seemed like someone's fantasy running away with them.
It never happened......it was a lie started by a Pova fans.

HRHoliviasmith
May 16th, 2012, 02:53 AM
It never happened......it was a lie started by a Pova fans.

this.

PetraReeMona
May 16th, 2012, 02:55 AM
It never happened......it was a lie started by a Pova fans.

What a surprise!




































NOT. :tape:

Smitten
May 16th, 2012, 03:48 AM
She must think Azarenka is the true GOAT then.

Rocketta
May 16th, 2012, 04:09 AM
It can be called in any way you want, but if Serena loses any match to Sharapova she would sign and stamp "i am not so much better"

Let me see if I'm understanding you. If Serena keeps beating Maria lets say 5 more times, and Maria finally gets a win for whatever reason then that means Serena goes from really being a better player than Maria to a player that is not so much better because now instead of having a head-to-head of 14-2 it will be 13-3? Really? :confused:

Anyway, Maria won in 2004 at Wimbledon. I'm sure she is happy with her trophy. I'm sure Serena's happy with her Wimbledon TrophIES as well. However, Serena still has proven a long time ago she is the better player....only thing her winning now does is just remind us all how much better. Maria could win a match tomorrow and Serena would have still proven who is the better player. It will take more than one random win from Maria to have people rethink that fact. Hey it may happen, I seriously doubt it but it could happen. KEEP HOPE ALIVE! :wavey:

ACEof DIAMONDS
May 16th, 2012, 04:39 AM
Thread confirmed what I already know. Serena fans are fucking psycho. My oh my what are the bunch of you going to do when the Queen you worship retires?

Funny how any other player can say something about any Williams sister and Williams fans freak out go "all arms on deck!", even though Maria's compliments were more complimentary if you read them properly, yet when someone like Serena chums off at the mouth with something completely out of line they chalk it up to "well that's just Serena being Serena." Quite the delusional bunch and they wonder why people despise her? The fan base she has, has a lot to do with it!

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:14 AM
Thread confirmed what I already know. Serena fans are fucking psycho. My oh my what are the bunch of you going to do when the Queen you worship retires?

Funny how any other player can say something about any Williams sister and Williams fans freak out go "all arms on deck!", even though Maria's compliments were more complimentary if you read them properly, yet when someone like Serena chums off at the mouth with something completely out of line they chalk it up to "well that's just Serena being Serena." Quite the delusional bunch and they wonder why people despise her? The fan base she has, has a lot to do with it!
Are you stupid? lol. That was not a compliment towards Serena, Maria took it as a compliment. :lol:

Don't know how you can find satisfaction in getting your ass handed to you repeatedly. That girl needs GAWD!

doomsday
May 16th, 2012, 06:20 AM
Are you stupid? lol. That was not a compliment towards Serena, Maria took it as a compliment. :lol:

Don't know how you can find satisfaction in getting your ass handed to you repeatedly. That girl needs GAWD!

Maria said it was very impressive for Serena to serve like this even on second serves I don't know what it is if it's not a compliment.
The only one who needs Gawd is you and I'm not even sure that can help you tbh.

bandabou
May 16th, 2012, 07:03 AM
Thread confirmed what I already know. Serena fans are fucking psycho. My oh my what are the bunch of you going to do when the Queen you worship retires?

Funny how any other player can say something about any Williams sister and Williams fans freak out go "all arms on deck!", even though Maria's compliments were more complimentary if you read them properly, yet when someone like Serena chums off at the mouth with something completely out of line they chalk it up to "well that's just Serena being Serena." Quite the delusional bunch and they wonder why people despise her? The fan base she has, has a lot to do with it!

Was it a compliment though?! Masha's acting like Serena's some junior player or something...that only gets up for the big names, like Masha's a bigger name than Serena. It's the other way around..Maria should be the one stepping up at the plate, feeling honored to even be on the same court as a legend as Serena.

BuTtErFrEnA
May 16th, 2012, 08:34 AM
Was it a compliment though?! Masha's acting like Serena's some junior player or something...that only gets up for the big names, like Masha's a bigger name than Serena. It's the other way around..Maria should be the one stepping up at the plate, feeling honored to even be on the same court as a legend as Serena.

preach it bandy :lol:

Tenis Srbija
May 16th, 2012, 09:43 AM
StuttgartclayGOATapova :hug: and hers fans too :oh:
http://x.vukajlija.com/var/uploads/reactions/201205/4679/funny-gifs-thank-you.gif?1337089931

doomsday
May 16th, 2012, 09:52 AM
Was it a compliment though?! Masha's acting like Serena's some junior player or something...that only gets up for the big names, like Masha's a bigger name than Serena. It's the other way around..Maria should be the one stepping up at the plate, feeling honored to even be on the same court as a legend as Serena.

Not a bigger name than Serena but a bigger name than most players you can't deny that :lol:
You sound really mad but look this is exactly what WS fans have been saying since a long time that Serena up her game against the very best but that she doesn't seem to mind against others.
That it would affect her more to have a negative record against the very best than against some scrubs, you guys said this many times so there is no need to backpedaling or jump on Maria when she makes this statement cause this is certainly the truth.

mac47
May 16th, 2012, 10:58 AM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!

bandabou
May 16th, 2012, 11:48 AM
Not a bigger name than Serena but a bigger name than most players you can't deny that :lol:
You sound really mad but look this is exactly what WS fans have been saying since a long time that Serena up her game against the very best but that she doesn't seem to mind against others.
That it would affect her more to have a negative record against the very best than against some scrubs, you guys said this many times so there is no need to backpedaling or jump on Maria when she makes this statement cause this is certainly the truth.

Ok, fair enough..although it's more that Serena just plain hates LOSING. Don't tell me you're refering to her losses to Bammer?! Like Masha doesn't have her own freak losses, even at majors?! :lol:
And Maria?! When is she gonna step it up at the plate against the big names?!

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 12:42 PM
Maria said it was very impressive for Serena to serve like this even on second serves I don't know what it is if it's not a compliment.
The only one who needs Gawd is you and I'm not even sure that can help you tbh.
Lmao bitch, please. We all know the point she was making about Serena serving 2nd Aces is that SHE forces Serena to play the lines and serve the lines, and make her go for riskier shots, in return complimenting her own flop ass. She was not 'complimenting' Serena's great serve. You need to have a seat on the Marianas Trench. :)

Stamp Paid
May 16th, 2012, 12:43 PM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!100% vérité, you cut right through her passive aggressiveness to see the truth.

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 12:45 PM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!
Damn girl (or guy). :worship:

If Sharapova read this I think her career would be over. :lol:

HRHoliviasmith
May 16th, 2012, 01:42 PM
StuttgartclayGOATapova :hug: and hers fans too :oh:
http://x.vukajlija.com/var/uploads/reactions/201205/4679/funny-gifs-thank-you.gif?1337089931

LOL. :rolls: :rolls:

HRHoliviasmith
May 16th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!

Absolutley brilliant! Just simply outstanding. :worship:

PetraReeMona
May 16th, 2012, 01:47 PM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!

:clap2:

That's my mac47 for ya :hug:

HRHoliviasmith
May 16th, 2012, 01:48 PM
:clap2:

That's my mac47 for ya :hug:

I just love you both so much. :awww:

Queenpova
May 16th, 2012, 01:50 PM
MARIA THREADS ALWAYS HUGE :hearts:

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 01:51 PM
MARIASERENA THREADS ALWAYS HUGE :hearts:

There ya go.

PetraReeMona
May 16th, 2012, 01:54 PM
I just love you both so much. :awww:

back at ya :kiss:

Ntosake
May 16th, 2012, 02:23 PM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!

:worship::worship::worship:I must co-sign this as well. It completely shuts down this silly nonsense from Sharky.:lol:

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Actually, I think the Willytards are right in this case. Serena doesn't play particularly well against Maria in their matches, the AO07 final aside - their last two matches in particular have been more about Maria playing very badly and well below her average standard than Serena playing particuarly well :shrug: Glad the Willytards agree with that.

It's very clearly both actually. Serena does play better, especially her groundstrokes which are not always impressive. And Maria is always a shadow of her usual self. The serve problems always come back to hunt her and always many unforced errors creep in.

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:09 PM
It's very clearly both actually. Serena does play better, especially her groundstrokes which are not always impressive. And Maria is always a shadow of her usual self. The serve problems always come back to hunt her and always many unforced errors creep in.
Wimbledon, Serena beat her with just her serve. Stanford, Serena was playing well the entire tournament, didn't up her level for Sharapova, her level was already up. Madrid Serena played a good first set and terrible second set, yet she still dusted Maria. Serena's game is that she doesn't allow you to play yours (when playing well). Serena has only played LIGHTS OUT tennis against Maria maybe twice, in my opinion.

young_gunner913
May 16th, 2012, 05:10 PM
Oh please.

Pova is so effing butthurt from the eight-year-long nightmare. It is not merely that she has lost so often and at such painful times. It is not merely that she would probably have three more slams If not for Serena. No, the reasons this stings like hell for Pova is that it touches her professional pride.

You see, tennis players at her level need to believe that their game is world-class, that they can compete with anyone. And that just isn't possible for Pova to believe against Serena. The six breadsticks out of the last 16 sets speak with six exclamation points: "You're not even on Serena's level!!!!!!" For a former #1 who is still in contention for slam titles, that's a devastating realization.

It is one thing to show up and discover that your opponent is having a terrific day and all their shots are falling in. It is quite another to realize that your opponent can simply DECIDE to beat you whenever she wants, by virtually any score she chooses, and that for all your famed "toughness", for all your ice-queen hauteur, for all your intimidating Amazon screaming, you really have no say in the matter. That is humbling and crushing to Pova's professional pride, and she hates it.

That is why she is trying to spin it into something that somehow reflects well on her: "If Serena can just decide to do this, then it must be a sign of respect that she decides to do it against me." But this is an admission that Serena CAN just "decide to do this", and that stings worse than any mere loss. If you just lose, you can say, "Too good. I'll get her next time." But if you lose because your opponent has the power to just DECIDE to win, then you can't say that anymore, because you know that you won't "get her next time", that in fact, you can't even compete. And that hurts like hell for a world-class, top-ranked player to realize.

I hope Pova meditates on it day and night!

Spot on. We can end the thread now.

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:10 PM
And why are you people making it seem like Sharapova does not hit numerous unforced errors in most of her matches? :unsure: Serena just won't let her get away with it.

PetraReeMona
May 16th, 2012, 05:12 PM
It's very clearly both actually. Serena does play better, especially her groundstrokes which are not always impressive. And Maria is always a shadow of her usual self. The serve problems always come back to hunt her and always many unforced errors creep in.

Why's that then :confused:

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:18 PM
Why's that then :confused:

She has a mental block against Serena.

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:20 PM
I think that is the biggest cop out. Serena is just better than her. Point. Blank. Period.

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:21 PM
Wimbledon, Serena beat her with just her serve. Stanford, Serena was playing well the entire tournament, didn't up her level for Sharapova, her level was already up. Madrid Serena played a good first set and terrible second set, yet she still dusted Maria. Serena's game is that she doesn't allow you to play yours (when playing well). Serena has only played LIGHTS OUT tennis against Maria maybe twice, in my opinion.

If you've seen the matches, you know Serena ALWAYS serves, returns and rallies much better against Maria than in most other matches. In her typical match, she doesnt even go for very agressive play most the time from the back of the court. In her Maria match she goes for everything and makes everything. It's especially noticeable on the return of serve.

Stamp Paid
May 16th, 2012, 05:22 PM
She has a mental block against Serena.A mental block?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/smavid/MeanGirlsLaugh.gif
Yeah, the returns flying back at her feet faster than her serves have nothing to do with it.

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:24 PM
A mental block?
Yeah, the returns flying back at her feet faster than her serves have nothing to do with it.

Like I already said it'S VERY obviously both. And you gotta admit that you do not see Serena returning like that in any other matches, maybe like once in a blue moon.

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:25 PM
If you've seen the matches, you know Serena ALWAYS serves, returns and rallies much better against Maria than in most other matches. In her typical match, she doesnt even go for very agressive play most the time from the back of the court. In her Maria match she goes for everything and makes everything. It's especially noticeable on the return of serve.
I'm convinced you don't watch the matches. Probably the highlights every once in a while. :lol:

HRHoliviasmith
May 16th, 2012, 05:25 PM
She has a mental block against Serena.

lol.

Knizzle
May 16th, 2012, 05:25 PM
Sharapova tried that bitch...

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Like I already said it'S VERY obviously both. And you gotta admit that you do not see Serena returning like that in any other matches, maybe like once in a blue moon.
Serena returns like that. She pressures the opponent. She hits return winners. That's what she does. It is not just against that useless bitch.

Stonerpova
May 16th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Why is this thread still going on?

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:27 PM
lol.

:lol: you dont believe that?? I thought that was a well known fact. She always plays horrible against her and even when she has chances, wastes all of them with ridiculous errors or df.

doomsday
May 16th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Serena returns like that. She pressures the opponent. She hits return winners. That's what she does. It is not just against that useless bitch.

WS fans are pressed :lol::lol:

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:28 PM
Serena returns like that. She pressures the opponent. She hits return winners. That's what she does. It is not just against that useless bitch.

Do you watch Serena matches? Her return is NOWHERE near as good in her average match than in a Sharapova match. And nowhere near as agressive.

madmax
May 16th, 2012, 05:29 PM
why is this useless thread still going on and all the chest thumping and ghetto trash talk is encouraged here?
Mods?

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:31 PM
why is this useless thread still going on and all the chest thumping and ghetto trash talk is encouraged here?
Mods?

Any surprise?? Some ppl here are known to do that.

bandabou
May 16th, 2012, 05:31 PM
Dominic...you act like it takes something special to return Masha's serve. I mean..please, even Azarenka dismantles Sharapova's serve most of time, no? :shrug: :lol:

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:31 PM
Do you watch Serena matches? Her return is NOWHERE near as good in her average match than in a Sharapova match. And nowhere near as agressive.
No, I don't watch any of her matches.

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:32 PM
You people don't know what "ghetto" is...trust.

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:34 PM
No, I don't watch any of her matches.

It seems like it to be honest, no offence. Serena does NOT always return super agressive hard close to the lines. She does not always serve 13 plus aces per matche, she does not always hit super hard precise and hardly miss from the back of the court. I mean how difficlut is it to admit that

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:36 PM
Dominic...you act like it takes something special to return Masha's serve. I mean..please, even Azarenka dismantles Sharapova's serve most of time, no? :shrug: :lol:

It doesn't take anything special to return it in no, but to hit it on the sideline at 90mph yes it does you realize that? Do you see Serena returning like that against ppl with a serve comparable to Sharapova's on a regular basis?

MrProdigy555
May 16th, 2012, 05:37 PM
It seems like it to be honest, no offence. Serena does NOT always return super agressive hard close to the lines. She does not always serve 13 plus aces per matche, she does not always hit super hard precise and hardly miss from the back of the court. I mean how difficlut is it to admit that
You. Don't. Know. What. You're. Talking. About.

You're also incapable of having a mature conversation/debate. Serena does not play GOAT everytime she plays Sharapova. That is the simple fact that you need to accept, or don't, I don't really care.

Show me receipts to back what you're saying, please.

Dominic
May 16th, 2012, 05:40 PM
You're also incapable of having a mature conversation/debate.

Show me receipts to back what you're saying, please.
Oh I dont know what I'm talking about so youre saying she does play like that all the time?

It's sooo funny that you would say that when you're the one who can't admit even the simplest things everytime. If I don't say that Serena is god you won't agree, it's as simple as that really. How can there even be a discussion then lol.

Just watch all of their matches, then watch a random match of Serena.