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tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:33 AM
.. that is right.
Caro beat Serena in Miami, then she gave a run for her money with an impressive first set performance.
Neither Vika, nor Maria, current #1 and #2 respectively, can make this claim

Brad[le]y.
May 14th, 2012, 12:35 AM
so an uncommitted, unconfident Wozniacki is more of a threat to Serena than a prime Azarenka? :spit:

VeeJJ
May 14th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Before this shit show starts.... It's about match ups. Simple. Woz backboard game is a better match up against Serena vs. Maria and Vika's ballbashing style, combine that with the fact that Woz has a great mental game and will fight you until you die, it makes perfect sense. So stop kicking up some dirt.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:40 AM
so an uncommitted, unconfident Wozniacki is more of a threat to Serena than a prime Azarenka? :spit:
I only go by the results, not the psychological disposition of the player:lol:

... kind of like what Capriati was to Serena.
Capriati would not at be at her best against other players, but when she meets Serena, she manages to bring her A-game

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:42 AM
Before this shit show starts.... It's about match ups. Simple. Woz backboard game is a better match up against Serena vs. Maria and Vika's ballbashing style, combine that with the fact that Woz has a great mental game and will fight you until you die, it makes perfect sense. So stop kicking up some dirt.
I am not kicking up dirt, I go by recent results, plain and simple

I added Irony to the title because Caro isn't getting much respect on this forum.

CloudAtlas
May 14th, 2012, 12:47 AM
Whilst I wouldn't say Wozniacki is anywhere near a tough match up for Serena despite their recent results, she is far tougher than our current top 2 because a) she is able to rally with Serena a fair amount and b)she places balls in odd places around the court which force Serena off balance, resulting in a flurry of errors and/or force her to adjust her footwork which she isn't entirely comfortable with or to keen to do. Sharapova has nothing to hurt Serena with, that Serena doesn't do better. Azarenka hits a lot flatter than Wozniacki and contrary to popular opinion does not have a serve which is considerably better and so it's easier for Serena to generate pace against her.

Barktra
May 14th, 2012, 12:50 AM
Exactly like JJ ;)

Charlatan
May 14th, 2012, 12:50 AM
serena has always struggled against jankovic, capriati, dementieva. all of them can get as many ball backs as caro. it's all about the match up.

plus, for god's sake, caro has just won only ONE match between this match up. doesn't say much. u should have waited until caro can trail from their H2H to level up

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:52 AM
Whilst I wouldn't say Wozniacki is anywhere near a tough match up for Serena despite their recent results, she is far tougher than our current top 2 because a) she is able to rally with Serena a fair amount and b)she places balls in odd places around the court which force Serena off balance, resulting in a flurry of errors and/or force her to adjust her footwork which she isn't entirely comfortable with or to keen to do. Sharapova has nothing to hurt Serena with, that Serena doesn't do better. Azarenka hits a lot flatter than Wozniacki and contrary to popular opinion does not have a serve which is considerably better and so it's easier for Serena to generate pace against her.
Well, we go by the results, don't we?
Caro has a victory, lost in a 3-setter this week, after playing an impressive first set.

mistymore
May 14th, 2012, 01:00 AM
Wozniacki and Radwanska are the best defensive players on tour today, along with perhaps Serena herself although hard to tell as there is nobody but maybe Kvitova who she hasnt played in a long time, who could make her play any real defense right now. To have any chance vs Serena you have to be a great defender, hence why Capriati and Henin gave her trouble, especialy when both could be agressive as well. Sharapova tries to outhit Serena off the ground, which is how she beats most players on tour, but Serena when charged up has more power on all shots, and Maria cant defend anywhere near well enough. Azarenka is a jack of all trades, master of none type player, and cant do squat on either side of the ball vs an in form Serena. Wozniacki also has some offensive capabilities to ability be agressive, not Capriati and Henin level of course, she just for some stupid reason keeps it hidden vs most opponents, but seems to show it atleast in flashes when Serena is on the other side.

jameshazza
May 14th, 2012, 01:05 AM
We are completely disregarding Rena's performances in these last two matches right?

Ryusuke Tenma
May 14th, 2012, 01:06 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

ziros
May 14th, 2012, 01:09 AM
I think for some reason,Serena has more respect for Wozniacki than for Azarenka or Sharapova

iPatty
May 14th, 2012, 01:11 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

http://i.imgur.com/P918u.gif

Go on.

Also, OP, you had ANOTHER typo in your thread title. I'm starting to think you do this purposely.

Barktra
May 14th, 2012, 01:13 AM
I think for some reason,Serena has more respect for Wozniacki than for Azarenka or Sharapova

I think your right because they are really good friends if I am not mistaken

Brad[le]y.
May 14th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

your trolling isn't even funny anymore :lol:

MakarovaFan
May 14th, 2012, 01:52 AM
Uh Stosur anyone....i mean she just beat her in a GRAND SLAM FINAL, and coming into this season she had beaten Serena in 3 of their prior 5 matchups(and had match points in the match before that!). The Miami match was very close until that one break in set 2 and the charleston match was due.

Plus haven't we heard that Serena was quite nervous prior to the match with Stosur, so that def confirms Serena feels her as a threat....sadly Sam happens to be a mental dud so i wouldn't be surprised if the H2H quickly becomes one sided(kind of like a certain other player that Serena feels threatened by yet owns mentally so it's a one way H2H))

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 02:00 AM
Uh Stosur anyone....i mean she just beat her in a GRAND SLAM FINAL, and coming into this season she had beaten Serena in 3 of their prior 5 matchups(and had match points in the match before that!). The Miami match was very close until that one break in set 2 and the charleston match was due.

Plus haven't we heard that Serena was quite nervous prior to the match with Stosur, so that def confirms Serena feels her as a threat....sadly Sam happens to be a mental dud so i wouldn't be surprised if the H2H quickly becomes one sided(kind of like a certain other player that Serena feels threatened by yet owns mentally so it's a one way H2H))
This is not lifetime, talking only recent results, as in 2012.
Again, it matters not the psychological disposition of the players(whether Serena or Sam are nervous or not is irrelevant), only the results are considered.
Stosur lost to Serena twice this year, in straight set, the last one being lopsided.

mistymore
May 14th, 2012, 02:04 AM
The good thing for Wozniacki is there isnt really a player on tour right now she has no chance of beating. Even Serena based on their recent meetings is a potentially winnable opponent for her. She has never beaten Clijsters or Venus, but Kim is soon to retire and already semi retired so whether she can beat Kim or not is moot isnt it. No brainer she has chances vs Venus at this point, except on grass which is a throwaway part of the year for Wozniacki the remainder of her career anyway.

The bad news is while she can beat anyone on tour, it seems anyone in the top 100 has the potential to beat her on a given day right now too. No longer ranked #1 and obviously lacking in her confidence she had a year or two ago, and without a decisve enough weapon to hurt opponents, nobody is intimidated by her to point they have all but lost the match before walking on court. She has to work for every single win now, and that is tough to do, especialy when you were #1 not long ago, and are down to #6.

MakarovaFan
May 14th, 2012, 02:08 AM
This is not lifetime, talking only recent results, as in 2012.
Again, it matters not the psychological disposition of the players(whether Serena or Sam are nervous or not is irrelevant), only the results are considered.
Stosur lost to Serena twice this year, in straight set, the last one being lopsided.
Rivalaries aren't built in 3 months buddy:rolleyes:.... Sam has been a legit and consistent threat in Serena's side for the last 4 years(with a win included within the last 8 months)

But fine If we go by recent results then Makarova should be a bigger threat than Woz because she actually beat her in a GS and in 2012.....

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 02:17 AM
Rivalaries aren't built in 3 months buddy:rolleyes:.... Sam has been a legit and consistent threat in Serena's side for the last 4 years(with a win included within the last 8 months)
Fair point, but I get to set parameters when I created the thread., the parameters say recent as in 2012. And Sam lost 2 matches back-to-back to Serena.
Caro split 2 matches, with her loss coming in a highly contested match.


But fine If we go by recent results then Makarova should be a bigger threat than Woz because she actually beat her in a GS and in 2012.....
Fair point here, but Caro's 2 matches result are more recent.

HelloKitty
May 14th, 2012, 02:21 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp185/mikassean/tumblr_lgq0bcaRV01qat9q2o1_500.gif

tkutsaar
May 14th, 2012, 02:40 AM
What I truly find ironic in this thread is the rationale used to explain Caro’s recent relative successes against Serena. It is the same rationale used to claim why she is not a great player with no chance of winning a slam.

Temperenka
May 14th, 2012, 02:49 AM
Serena brings her A-game every time against Maria and Vika. I don't know if she necessarily feels the pressure from Caroline to do the same.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 02:50 AM
What I truly find ironic in this thread is the rationale used to explain Caro’s recent relative successes against Serena. It is the same rationale used to claim why she is not a great player with no chance of winning a slam.
As the Thread author, I made no claim.
Perhaps, you should respond directly to the post(s) that put forth that rationale you object to.
It will help the debate

sweetadri06
May 14th, 2012, 02:59 AM
I wouldn't say she's a rival to Serena. Serena's rivals are Azarenka, Kvitova, Maria. The ones who are going to be competing for slams. If Serena is off her game, then anyone can trouble her.

Stonerpova
May 14th, 2012, 03:05 AM
Before this shit show starts.... It's about match ups. Simple. Woz backboard game is a better match up against Serena vs. Maria and Vika's ballbashing style, combine that with the fact that Woz has a great mental game and will fight you until you die, it makes perfect sense. So stop kicking up some dirt.

This x1000

Grigorpova
May 14th, 2012, 03:07 AM
Not really a rivalry, just Rena having a mental blank for the last two games until the second and third sets of that Madrid match.

Stosur to be honest.

Alejandrawrrr
May 14th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Because there wasn't enough threads about Serena in GM :lol:

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 03:21 AM
Because there wasn't enough threads about Serena in GM :lol:
None about this topic; looming Caro vs Serena highly contested matches

Brad[le]y.
May 14th, 2012, 03:26 AM
Serena brings her A-game every time against Maria and Vika. I don't know if she necessarily feels the pressure from Caroline to do the same.
do you honestly think Serena serving at 49% is her A-game? :spit:
not to mention she was spraying needless errors all over the place. :lol:

tkutsaar
May 14th, 2012, 03:31 AM
As the Thread author, I made no claim.
Perhaps, you should respond directly to the post(s) that put forth that rationale you object to.
It will help the debate

I am truly sorry that I ruffled your feathers and I can assure you that my post was certainly not directed at your postings. Unfortunately I’m not so internet savvy that to quote several postings in one post is beyond my capabilities. In my post I was reacting to postings numbered: 3, 6, 7, 8, 10, 19, and to a lesser extent 13 and 15 as well.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 03:36 AM
I am truly sorry that I ruffled your feathers and I can assure you that my post was certainly not directed at your postings. Unfortunately I’m not so internet savvy that to quote several postings in one post is beyond my capabilities. In my post I was reacting to postings numbered: 3, 6, 7, 8, 10, 19, and to a lesser extent 13 and 15 as well.
No problem, I took no offense.
I am simply suggesting you could have gotten a better rebuttal if you directly engage the poster(s) whose comment(s) you object to.

edificio
May 14th, 2012, 03:37 AM
I don't think so.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 14th, 2012, 04:40 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

She didn't GET to #1 in the first place by beating Serena :oh:

danieln1
May 14th, 2012, 05:26 AM
Let's see what will happen when they meet in the third round in Roma

If Caro is able to play like she played in that 6-1 set she won against Serena then it will be interesting

Both number 1 and 2 are.currently hopeless and afraid of Serena, and that wont change anytime.soon.

marineblue
May 14th, 2012, 05:37 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

I agree, she needs to keep playing like that and step it up even more. It's a shame that she did not face Azarenka instead of Serena and got all the way to the final vs Williams. At least it would be a good show. She has shown that she used to be a no.1 unlike our current 'real queen':rolleyes:

marineblue
May 14th, 2012, 05:42 AM
Serena brings her A-game every time against Maria and Vika. I don't know if she necessarily feels the pressure from Caroline to do the same.

:facepalm::speakles: Did you not watch a match against Azarenka yesterday?

Rest Maria!
May 14th, 2012, 10:13 AM
*~Princess Karolina~* anticipates Serena's game extraordinarily well. Before Serena even hits her shot to a specific spot, *~Princess Karolina~* is already halfway there. It seems to give her advantage in this match-up, something Vuvurenka :aparty: and cakewalk-p can't rely on.

C. Drone
May 14th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Serena brings her A-game every time against Maria and Vika. I don't know if she necessarily feels the pressure from Caroline to do the same.

I wouldn't say she's a rival to Serena. Serena's rivals are Azarenka, Kvitova, Maria. The ones who are going to be competing for slams. If Serena is off her game, then anyone can trouble her.

these.


Serena just doesnt care, Karolina is not a threat in her eyes, she doesnt see her as an enemy she needs to destroy.

Matchup issue is BS, if mediocre players like Kerber, Hantuchova or Görges can destroy Karolina then why would Serena struggle? ...

Mistress of Evil
May 14th, 2012, 10:32 AM
So basically what the OP is trying to say is that Karolina is for Serena what Pironkova is for Venus. :hearts:

Chip.
May 14th, 2012, 10:36 AM
Wozniacki is a MASSIVE] threat against ANYONE when she's playing at her best. Hopefully, she starts to play like she did against Serena in that first set more often. She'll get back to #1 like that.

How many titles has she won this year? Surely Copenhagen. :rolleyes:

frenchie
May 14th, 2012, 10:40 AM
Historically, Williams sisters have more problems against this kind of players than against ballbashers.

Jankovic is the player who troubled them the most in the last few years.

JamieOwen3
May 14th, 2012, 10:44 AM
I actually think Serena has less "respect" for Caroline's game and thinks she should beat her easily like she did at the US Open last year *I'm saying this as a Serena fan so don't jump on me bitches* what I mean is that Serena doesn't go out there against her fully focused as she thinks she should swipe her off easily. When she plays Maria and Vika she's ON IT from the start.

I may have phrased it wrong but I hope someone sees what I mean :p

frenchie
May 14th, 2012, 10:53 AM
I actually think Serena has less "respect" for Caroline's game and thinks she should beat her easily like she did at the US Open last year *I'm saying this as a Serena fan so don't jump on me bitches* what I mean is that Serena doesn't go out there against her fully focused as she thinks she should swipe her off easily. When she plays Maria and Vika she's ON IT from the start.

I may have phrased it wrong but I hope someone sees what I mean :p

Serena knows she can beat all these girls easily but Wozniacki is a worst matchup for her.

Against Vika and Sharapova, she wants to beat them BADLY

Rest Maria!
May 14th, 2012, 10:58 AM
After losing 3 consecutive sets I don't think Serena will treat *~Princess Karolina~* lightly ever again. And *~Princess Karolina~* actually plays really well against her, probably because she doesn't expect win anyway and has a free mindset.

goldenlox
May 14th, 2012, 11:02 AM
Most of their matches were close, except last year's USO.
But ultimately Serena wants another major.
Since 5 different players won the last 5 majors, there's no long term tour "leader" for Serena to have as 1 main rival, like the men have had. 3 guys who clearly rule the big titles

venusallday
May 14th, 2012, 11:03 AM
Caro has a serve. The other two don't. Plan and simple.

Galsen
May 14th, 2012, 11:06 AM
I actually think Serena has less "respect" for Caroline's game and thinks she should beat her easily like she did at the US Open last year *I'm saying this as a Serena fan so don't jump on me bitches* what I mean is that Serena doesn't go out there against her fully focused as she thinks she should swipe her off easily. When she plays Maria and Vika she's ON IT from the start.

I may have phrased it wrong but I hope someone sees what I mean :p

I get what you mean. I love Sarin and like Caro but when Serena is really focused: USO SF.
And wth? Serena respects Caro more b/c they are friends? She is also friends with Vika and She seems to get along with Maria. It's just when she steps on the court, feelings don't matter.

bbjpa
May 14th, 2012, 11:10 AM
Extreme pushing at its best :worship:

JamieOwen3
May 14th, 2012, 11:15 AM
I get what you mean. I love Sarin and like Caro but when Serena is really focused: USO SF.
And wth? Serena respects Caro more b/c they are friends? She is also friends with Vika and She seems to get along with Maria. It's just when she steps on the court, feelings don't matter.

I knew someone like you would get it :yeah:

Yeah there are a couple of cute oof-court pics of her and Maria *which for me personally is heaven :lol:* and she was chatty with vika while posing with the trophy after the match yesterday.

Someone said it also, match ups are a factor. Like Serena had trouble with Capriati but Venus rarely did, and when Maria played Venus most of the time it got close and the matches between Maria and Serena not so much.

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 11:19 AM
I only go by the results, not the psychological disposition of the player:lol:

... kind of like what Capriati was to Serena.
Capriati would not at be at her best against other players, but when she meets Serena, she manages to bring her A-game

and would be blown away by Venus ;)

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:54 PM
and would be blown away by Venus ;)
...that is true too!!

Critique
May 14th, 2012, 01:00 PM
and would be blown away by Venus ;)

True. Jennifer was Venus' favorite pigeon.

Novichok
May 14th, 2012, 01:44 PM
After losing 3 consecutive sets I don't think Serena will treat *~Princess Karolina~* lightly ever again. And *~Princess Karolina~* actually plays really well against her, probably because she doesn't expect win anyway and has a free mindset.

Ummm, why are you imitating that Cornswarndt(however you spell it) guy? You seem pathetic. :tape: :help:

mauresmofan
May 14th, 2012, 01:49 PM
Sanchez Vicario is a case in point as she is one of very few people who has a winning head to head vs Serena because she made her play sooooooo many shots to win a point. Wozniacki has a similar mindset when playing Serena and she played a damn good first set vs Serena last week to take it was a bit more of a counter puncher than waiting for a mistake. Possibly the way her game will develop over the next few years.

Rest Maria!
May 14th, 2012, 01:51 PM
Ummm, why are you imitating that Cornswarndt(however you spell it) guy? You seem pathetic. :tape: :help:

Because it's amusing.:angel: Thanks for the compliment. :aparty:

spencercarlos
May 14th, 2012, 02:12 PM
True. Jennifer was Venus' favorite pigeon.
They played way too little, and this was mostly at the time it was peak Venus, all matches on hardcourts too, Venus´s second best surface.

Had they played on clay, and around 2002-2004 and i am sure Capriati would have scored wins over Venus. Just an opinion.

As for Wozniacki vs Serena yeah its all about the matchup, and probably Serena not being in top notch level. If Serena is on, thereis nothing that Wozniacki can do to hurt Serena IMO.

spencercarlos
May 14th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Sanchez Vicario is a case in point as she is one of very few people who has a winning head to head vs Serena because she made her play sooooooo many shots to win a point. Wozniacki has a similar mindset when playing Serena and she played a damn good first set vs Serena last week to take it was a bit more of a counter puncher than waiting for a mistake. Possibly the way her game will develop over the next few years.
Wozniacki knows if she plays passive, she is toasted. She did this same thing to Clijsters at the Australian Open, she started hitting out and made the match competitive. But that´s not her game, she´ll eventually implement this game in the earlier rounds and really become a more agressive player we´ll see?

Marcus1979
May 14th, 2012, 02:42 PM
They played way too little, and this was mostly at the time it was peak Venus, all matches on hardcourts too, Venus´s second best surface.

Had they played on clay, and around 2002-2004 and i am sure Capriati would have scored wins over Venus. Just an opinion.

As for Wozniacki vs Serena yeah its all about the matchup, and probably Serena not being in top notch level. If Serena is on, thereis nothing that Wozniacki can do to hurt Serena IMO.

wasn't 2001 Peak Capriati? that was the year she won 2 slams, she also became #1 in 2001 after Hingis got injured at Filderstadt.

harloo
May 14th, 2012, 02:59 PM
Remember their are other top players who give The Woz trouble. People on this board act like a player who troubles Serena or can manage to defeat her once is going to dominate the tour. The problem with Woz is she's passive in all her matches and then she plays aggressive against Serena. She needs to implement the same firepower consistently against top players and not for one match up. I believe this is the only chance she'll have to win a slam.

She's not the first excellent defender Serena's had to deal with either. Serena dislikes these type of players who just get balls back constantly. It's a good match up for The Woz but as we witnessed in the 2nd and 3rd sets of Madrid Serena knows how to handle a player like her. She just needs to play within herself and stop going for silly shots like she did in the first set.

LCS
May 14th, 2012, 03:44 PM
I don't think Serena comes as fired up against Caroline as she does against Maria and even Vika...:shrug:

Mr.Sharapova
May 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM
I think most of us are misjudging Serena's act of sympathy towards Caroline with Caroline being her rival :tape:.

goldenlox
May 14th, 2012, 04:32 PM
I think most of us are misjudging Serena's act of sympathy towards Caroline with Caroline being her rival :tape:.
Act of sympathy in MIami? Like Maria towards Aga in the final? :tape:
When they met again in Madrid, Caroline won set 1, 6-1.
Might meet again in 2 days. Maybe in Paris too

Mr.Sharapova
May 14th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Act of sympathy in MIami? Like Maria towards Aga in the final? :tape:
When they met again in Madrid, Caroline won set 1, 6-1.
Might meet again in 2 days. Maybe in Paris too

You forgot that Rena was playing at 20% in Miami :tape:.

Hopefully they will play again in Rome, just to see whether Caro can really handle her on proper RED clay :angel:.

Rena P
May 14th, 2012, 06:00 PM
I think for some reason,Serena has more respect for Wozniacki than for Azarenka or Sharapova

That's true, also Woz is her friend. Vika and Skidapova are full of it, and it pisses Serena off so that's why she enjoys beating them :devil:

SerenaSiren
May 14th, 2012, 06:15 PM
Yes any players would struggle beating the wall
cause its hard enough to return all the balls....
I'm gonna say that caro plays like the 08 jankovic
a great counter puncher...but it really depends on Sarin
she could beat caro in a straight lop sided set if she wants to..

Its the matter of choice coz
Its only Serena who could rival herself :D

cescsas
May 14th, 2012, 08:24 PM
If you read everything on this site everyone else might as well not bother turning up to RG and wimbledon and give Serena the trophy now! As for rivals people are discussing Wozniacki but Radwanska is in better form than Wozniacki and gets a lot of balls back shouldn't she be her biggest challenge.

LightWarrior
May 14th, 2012, 08:42 PM
It all boils down to Jankovic, Woz and the likes having a good footwork and their ability to retrieve Serena's groundstrokes as long as possible before Serena makes an UE.
The 1st set won by Woz 6/1 against Serena is interesting. Sure Serena was kind of off but Caro seemed to have the perfect game plan. Plus she served extremely well and well paced.

Rena P
May 14th, 2012, 08:43 PM
Oh yeah! Radwanska's little "toy tennis" game she plays is going to be a threat to the best player on the planet:confused: Have you seen what Venus does to her game:haha:

LindsayRulz
May 14th, 2012, 08:54 PM
I think for some reason,Serena has more respect for Wozniacki than for Azarenka or Sharapova

Not for her game though. Otherwise she'd come on the court more focus like she does when she meets Sharapova or Azarenka.

VeeJJ
May 14th, 2012, 08:59 PM
Don't know if it has been said here but Mauresmofan gave a good example realting Caro's game to AVS who has a winning H2H against Serena. As well as Jelena. Good counterpunchers with decent heads and serves trouble Serena greatly.

LightWarrior
May 14th, 2012, 09:12 PM
Don't know if it has been said here but Mauresmofan gave a good example realting Caro's game to AVS who has a winning H2H against Serena. As well as Jelena. Good counterpunchers with decent heads and serves trouble Serena greatly.

And with topspin groundstrokes. Which is why Radwanska is no threat to Serena.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 09:12 PM
If you read everything on this site everyone else might as well not bother turning up to RG and wimbledon and give Serena the trophy now!


...And right after Stuttgart before Madrid, Maria was just waiting for her coronation in Paris; before that; Vika had all but bagged the POY crown. Never mind there were still 3 GS and numerous tier I tournament to play.

I created a thread about the "fickle" nature of this TF crowd

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=459208

sdch
May 15th, 2012, 04:13 AM
...that is true too!!

Hardly. They only played each other 4 times. 2 were three setters, including one where Jen had 8 match points. Another was a close two setter. Only one was really "routine".

In answer to the OP, it is match-ups. Sharapova and Kvitova do nothing better than Serena, and don't have the game to trouble her. Caroline has better defense, and can keep the ball in play enough to draw a ton of errors from Serena.

Serenus Christ
May 15th, 2012, 04:20 AM
It's because Wozniacki's deep moonballing shots are out of Serena's hitting zone.
That with the mixture of having to return alot of them makes it hard for Serena to over power her.

Its the same with Sam Stosur, her loopy topspin shots make it hard for Serena to get a rhythm and over-power her.

Johnbert
May 15th, 2012, 05:12 AM
I get what you mean. I love Sarin and like Caro but when Serena is really focused: USO SF.
And wth? Serena respects Caro more b/c they are friends? She is also friends with Vika and She seems to get along with Maria. It's just when she steps on the court, feelings don't matter.

so you really think she only played 1 out of 5 matches focused against caro?! :rolleyes:

Johnbert
May 15th, 2012, 05:26 AM
I wouldn't say she's a rival to Serena. Serena's rivals are Azarenka, Kvitova, Maria. The ones who are going to be competing for slams. If Serena is off her game, then anyone can trouble her.

azarenka?! sharapova?! those 2 are silliams bitches and get slapped in every match they play. and against kvitty she only played twice (last match wimby 2010)...

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 05:32 AM
azarenka?! sharapova?! those 2 are silliams bitches and get slapped in every match they play. and against kvitty she only played twice (last match wimby 2010)...

Not in every match :lol: Sharapova and Vika also had tough battles against Serena.
And stop with the arrogance it doesn't suit you at all.:kiss:

Johnbert
May 15th, 2012, 05:37 AM
Not in every match :lol: Sharapova and Vika also had tough battles against Serena.
And stop with the arrogance it doesn't suit you at all.:kiss:

sharapovas last win over silliams is 8 years ago :kiss:

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 05:58 AM
sharapovas last win over silliams is 8 years ago :kiss:

Does it change the fact that they had tough battles since 2004 ? No.
Beside they met just 3 times at majors since 2005 and Sharapova gave her more trouble than anyone in 2 of her 3 wins (OZ 05, Wimbly 10).

HelloKitty
May 15th, 2012, 07:19 AM
Tough battles doesn't mean anything unless you win.
You wouldn't be accepting that if Maria led 8-2 in h2h

doomsday
May 15th, 2012, 07:50 AM
I can give credit where it's due, Sharapova used to own Davenport but plenty of their matches were close and very enjoyable I've said this many times.
So yeah despite the fact that Serena owns Maria I think I can argue about some matches especially when I know that Serena played really well in many battles that she won and should have lost.

stromatolite
May 15th, 2012, 08:29 AM
Lots of overinterpreting going on here, based on a small number of results. As ever, peak Serena will still beat anyone, and her fluctuating results this year reflect the ups and downs in her own form more than anything else. When she's been on she's been nearly unbeatable, otherwise she hasn't looked so invincible. While I think she's the player to beat at RG, there are any number of players who could give her a tough time, especially if her serve drops off a bit and she's forced to grind it out. Caro's one of those, but so are Maria, Vika, Sam and Na among others. Even someone like Goerges could probably test her on clay if she could keep her head together.

Tenis Srbija
May 15th, 2012, 08:43 AM
Caro, the real No2 :yeah:

http://x.vukajlija.com/var/uploads/reactions/201205/4658/the-perfect-technique.gif?1337032616

bandabou
May 15th, 2012, 08:58 AM
Serena's having a good period right now..but I ain't gonna pencil here in for no RG or anything. She was blazing during summer HC last year only to lose tamely to Stosur..and that was on HC. Just one match at the time.

The Witch-king
May 15th, 2012, 09:06 AM
It's because wozniacki is better than those two.

stromatolite
May 15th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Its the same with Sam Stosur, her loopy topspin shots make it hard for Serena to get a rhythm and over-power her.

If you think Sam's topspin is "loopy" I guess you haven't seen her play much. But what's really mystifying coming from a supposed Serena fan is that you think Serena's game depends heavily on power. Serena hits the ball pretty hard when she chooses to, but her success is mainly down to her immaculate technique, shot selection, placement, etc. Watch some footage of her serving in Madrid for an illustration of this. In general she wasn't serving hard at all, but the quality, variety and placement were breathtaking.