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brickhousesupporter
May 13th, 2012, 07:20 PM
The clay courts at Stuttgart are so different from the clay courts in Paris.....why aren't people in an uproar over these courts? Here is how they are constructed.

http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/web/english-tournament_claycourt
In contrast to a conventional clay court, which has an approximately 50 - 60 cm high base made of a wide variety of materials, the new court in the Porsche Arena is only 2.5 cm thick. The basic material is made of crushed tiles mixed with a binding material. It is laid completely level using a special laser controlled machine. Standard plastic foil was laid on the floor of the arena to serve as an underlay and therefore stop the floor and base from binding. Finely crushed brick is then spread on top of the base where most of it enters the pores and bonds with the base material. The “clay” comes from France and its grain size of only 0.1 millimetres makes it exactly the same type of “clay” as the one used at the French Open in Roland Garros. Before being spread, it is mixed with an environmentally friendly special oil which draws moisture from the air. Water does not have to be added – the court retains the optimal moisture levels at all times. Another advantage is that the “clay” has been bonded so that it remains dust-free when the players slide into the ball.


What gives?

matthias
May 13th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Stuttgart has red clay, and Madrid has blue clay ;)

VeeReeDavJCap81
May 13th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Wasn't Stuttgart a hard court tournament a few years ago, maybe they didn't have to resources to build real clay courts and just laid the clay on top of what was the old hard courts.

Jorn
May 13th, 2012, 07:24 PM
In the Porsche Arena it always been played on red clay... If I remember it right, before it was played in Filderstadt near by...

matthias
May 13th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Wasn't Stuttgart a hard court tournament a few years ago, maybe they didn't have to resources to build real clay courts and just laid the clay on top of what was the old hard courts.

Stuttgart is indoor, so they can´t built "real" claycourt, because the court get removed after the tournament for other sport-events concerts, etc.

doomsday
May 13th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Maybe because this is real clay in Stuttgart and not in Madrid :lol:

sxeraserhead
May 13th, 2012, 07:25 PM
Because Nadal and Djokovic weren't there to complain :shrug:

Also the court is indoors anyway so who cares if it is real clay or not

Jorn
May 13th, 2012, 07:26 PM
It not real clay like in Rome, the mix it with oil...

John.
May 13th, 2012, 07:27 PM
The TF reason is simple: Sharapova won Stuttgart, therefore, it's real clay

Caipirinha Guy
May 13th, 2012, 07:30 PM
Agnieszka Radwanska said that from all the tournaments only Rome has a real clay. Stuttgart and Roland Garros's courts are very hard which makes them faster than genuine red clay.

Tenis Srbija
May 13th, 2012, 07:35 PM
Clay in Madrid was pressed to hard and to fast, that's why it's so fast.
Clay in Stuttgart "behaves" differently 'cause it's indoors.
Both aren't really clay tournaments, unlike Rome...

acetoace
May 13th, 2012, 07:35 PM
The TF reason is simple: Sharapova won Stuttgart, therefore, it's real clay

Good to see there are folks out there able to see through the bs from pova fans. Don't 4get that Stuttgart is indoor crap vs Madrid outdoor. Ask pova fans what she did with winning Rome (the real clay) last year? Did pova win RG? I think the answer to that question is HELL TO THE NO!!!:rolleyes:

sweetadri06
May 13th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Well it's not, plays like a indoor hardcourt. The only real clay court left is Rome.

doomsday
May 13th, 2012, 07:38 PM
Good to see there are folks out there able to see through the bs from pova fans. Don't 4get that Stuttgart is indoor crap vs Madrid outdoor. Ask pova fans what she did with winning Rome (the real clay) last year? Did pova win RG? I think the answer to that question is HELL TO THE NO!!!:rolleyes:

You have issues.

C. Drone
May 13th, 2012, 08:33 PM
Nobody said its real clay. Many of here pointed out its different thn real clay. But people just dont care because players dont complain as much.

Potato
May 13th, 2012, 08:35 PM
Because Nadal and Djokovic weren't there to complain :shrug:



yep. done and done.

rnwerner
May 13th, 2012, 09:23 PM
No.
Stuttgart is played on exactly the same clay as in Paris.
They see themselves as pretournament of Paris.

The only (and big) difference is that it is indoors.

brickhousesupporter
May 13th, 2012, 09:24 PM
No.
Stuttgart is played on exactly the same clay as in Paris.
They see themselves as pretournament of Paris.

The only (and big) difference is that it is indoors.
and treated with oil.......

The Witch-king
May 13th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Agnieszka Radwanska said that from all the tournaments only Rome has a real clay. Stuttgart and Roland Garros's courts are very hard which makes them faster than genuine red clay.

wait so the clay court slam isn't played on real clay now? :lol:

C. Drone
May 13th, 2012, 09:33 PM
No.
Stuttgart is played on exactly the same clay as in Paris.
They see themselves as pretournament of Paris.

The only (and big) difference is that it is indoors.

yeah, but thats why it never be the exact same as outdoor clay tournaments, no matter how hard they try.
Of course this year they still did better job than the Madrid clay.

Caipirinha Guy
May 13th, 2012, 09:34 PM
wait so the clay court slam isn't played on real clay now? :lol:

Well, she was asked:

How does technically clay in Rome look like?

Normal, most traditional clay. Simply clay - like in Krakow or anywhere alse. Different to Roland Garros whose courts are quite hard and fast.

stromatolite
May 13th, 2012, 10:35 PM
The bottom line is that the Stuttgart clay plays more or less like a regular clay court whereas Madrid doesn't. How they achieve that is hard to say, but presumably the fact that the basic dirt is the same as they use in Paris is a pretty big part of that (with or without added oil). And you could see the ball just fine.

tennisbum79
May 14th, 2012, 12:13 AM
I am glad Serena won, but this is a botched job.
The courts deteriorate quickly, becoming unplayable often, and as a result require constant maintenance, even between points.

jameshazza
May 14th, 2012, 12:52 AM
Stuttgart plays virtually identical to RG but with the oil it is more slippery which is why Iwas astonished at Masha's movement. Rome plays slower but in terms of movement is more akin to RG. Madrid clay plays like grass only you can slide, in fact its not even the speed that differentiates it from RG. Its the low and inconsistent bounces, mainly due to the uneven surface.

miffedmax
May 14th, 2012, 02:25 AM
Green clay isn't real clay either. Everybody bitches and moans about what's "real" clay based on their faves' results.

Newsflash: There are different kinds of clay and hard courts.

Justin SW
May 14th, 2012, 03:35 AM
What is real and fake clay? Ok Madrid had weird and low bounces. Fine. But hey no clay court tournament plays the same. Who cares. Anyways, Serena on any given day when she's at her best. No matter the surface, will just slaughter anyone on her way!

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 08:44 AM
Because Maria won it, duh!

madmax
May 14th, 2012, 09:08 AM
because Stuttgart actually plays like a real clay without elements - sun, wind or shadows. Madrid blue smurf slippery carpet nonsense is specifically designed for servebots to thrive on

Keegan
May 14th, 2012, 09:53 AM
No clay court is the same, full stop. However, having more traditional red clay outdoors events would be better off because at least there's an idea of what clay plays like. Stuttgart played alright this year, but I think it's still a stupid warm up tournament. Indoor clay doesn't prepare one for playing tennis on Philippe Chatrier. And WTF was up with Madrid? That surface was pretty much like ice. I don't know if it was because of the altitude or the actual surface, but jeez...

acetoace
May 14th, 2012, 09:55 AM
because Stuttgart actually plays like a real clay without elements - sun, wind or shadows. Madrid blue smurf slippery carpet nonsense is specifically designed for servebots to thrive on

Typical rant from a Serena hater and TF resident roach. Don't worry, Rome is here now, isn't it? We would see what the excuses would be for your fave by next wkend. All that Stuttgart & Rome nonsense u've yapped about on here will come to light soon. Ok, we get it......Charleston & Madrid don't play like RG but Stuttgart and Rome does therefore, pova will do better than the rest. Good logic! Seeing how desperate ya'll are for attention, it's not surprising here this from u. Just make sure u have the balls to come back on TF on Sunday when the dust settles!!!

U can bet I'll be here come Sunday throwing down the gauntlet on your pathetic ass!

vozas
May 14th, 2012, 10:08 AM
Typical rant from a Serena hater and TF resident roach. Don't worry, Rome is here now, isn't it? We would see what the excuses would be for your fave by next wkend. All that Stuttgart & Rome nonsense u've yapped about on here will come to light soon. Ok, we get it......Charleston & Madrid don't play like RG but Stuttgart and Rome does therefore, pova will do better than the rest. Good logic! Seeing how desperate ya'll are for attention, it's not surprising here this from u. Just make sure u have the balls to come back on TF on Sunday when the dust settles!!!

U can bet I'll be here come Sunday throwing down the gauntlet on your pathetic ass!

My god, so aggressive all the time :lol: :help: can't you relax a bit?

Smitten
May 14th, 2012, 05:00 PM
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