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valac222
Apr 26th, 2012, 05:40 PM
We can discuss if you have any idea, question, etc.

valac222
Apr 26th, 2012, 05:43 PM
Should we go back to discarding on team part?

1. We should go back to discarding and finally the same team members' point count for all disciplines. (If captains are serious then it is a bloody hard task TBH)
2. All five members points count. (if one stop sending it kills the whole team)
3. The current best 3 count automaticly is fine.
4. Lets have 4 members per team. All counts, if one does not send that is their problem.
5. In addition to the current format, I can create a FEDCUP like team competition. Player 1 of team A and B plays each other, same for player 2s, 3s, 4s 5s. (unfortunately number of teams should be even)

ronim1
Apr 26th, 2012, 06:40 PM
My thoughts:

Why not use the discarding option, but do it automatically, without the captains. On discarding days, the team member with the lowest points, should be automatically discarded. If there is a tie, you can always discard the player who is ranked lower.
If there are less members in a team, than they don't discard at all if 3 members,or only once if 4 members..( should be minimum of three players per team).

buji
Apr 27th, 2012, 12:25 PM
I like the Fed cup format to get added . There should be some role for captains to do . so something for this?

buji
Apr 27th, 2012, 12:30 PM
Btw congrats for getting an own thread Laszlo :hug: great going

valac222
May 13th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Ranking points chart:


1 280 470 900 1000 2000
2 200 320 620 700 1400
3 160 250 500 560 1120
4 130 200 395 450 900
5 115 180 345 400 800
6 100 160 305 350 700
7 85 140 265 300 600
8 70 120 225 250 500
9 65 112 212 236 472
10 60 104 199 222 444
11 55 96 186 208 416
12 50 88 173 194 388
13 45 81 161 180 360
14 40 74 149 166 332
15 35 67 137 153 306
16 30 60 125 140 280
17 29 58 122 136 272
18 28 56 119 132 264
19 27 54 116 128 256
20 26 52 113 124 248
21 25 50 110 120 240
22 24 48 107 116 232
23 23 46 104 112 224
24 22 44 101 108 216
25 21 42 98 104 208
26 20 40 95 100 200
27 19 38 92 96 192
28 18 36 89 92 184
29 17 34 86 88 176
30 16 32 83 84 168
31 15 30 80 80 160
32 14 28 77 77 154

In case of tie average points given.

valac222
Jun 28th, 2012, 09:36 AM
It is very easy to take part of the game. Depending on your timeframe you have to follow the following steps. If you have only a minute only then do step 1, if you have more go forward to following steps.

Tipping players:

Step 1 – Simply copy your tipping picks and PM to the manager. You take part of the game immediately. That is a 20 seconds extra exercise.
Step 2 – Attach set rates to the winners (20 or 21). 2-0 is automatically assigned, so if 2-0 is good for you then you can jump to the next step.
Step 3 – Move the most possible winners up in the queue, ambiguous matches down. (So Azarenka should be up, Yakimova down)
Step 4 – After a few try send a different set of picks for WAR. (30% of the experienced players do it so don’t bother at the beginning)

TT players:

Step 1 – PM your picks to the manager. You take part of the game immediately. That is a 20 seconds extra exercise.
Step 2 - Move the most possible winners up in the queue, ambiguous matches down. (So Azarenka should be up, Yakimova down) Manager will reverse the order your TT pick if you ask for it.
Step 3 – After a few try send a different set of picks for WAR. (30% of the experienced players do it so don’t bother at the beginning)

valac222
Jul 8th, 2012, 07:32 AM
Scoring example



Order of Play Results SR Player Pick
Dubois vs Vesnina Vesnina 20 Hlavackova 2-0
Date-Krumm vs Hercog Hercog 20 Medina-Garrigues 2-0
McHale vs Wozniak Wozniak 21 Scheepers 2-0
Hampton vs Stephens Hampton 20 Zahlavova-Strycova 2-0
Dokic vs Voskoboeva Voskoboeva NSR Vesnina 2-1
Scheepers vs Ormaechea Ormaechea 21 Hercog 2-0
Oudin vs Medina Medina 21 McHale 2-1
Falconi vs Hlavackova Hlavackova 20 Stephens 2-1
Govortsova vs K.Bondarenko K.Bondarenko 21 Voskoboeva 2-0
Daniilidou vs Kudryavtseva Daniilidou 20 K.Bondarenko 2-0
Zahlavova vs Giorgi Zahlavova 20 Daniilidou 2-1
Voegele vs Gajdosova Voegele 21 Gajdosova 2-1
U.Radwanska vs Hradecka Hradecka 20 Hradecka 2-0
Dushevina vs Chan Dushevina 20 Dushevina 2-1
Minella vs Lucic Lucic 20 Lucic 2-0
Rodionova vs Czink Rodionova 21 Rodionova 2-1





TC You had 6 correct picks with correct SR (Hlavackova20, Zahlavova20, Hradecka 20, Hercog 20, Lucic 20, Rodionova 21) 3 points each.
You had 6 correct picks with incorrect SR (Voskoboeva, Medina, Vesnina, Daniilidou, Dushevina, Bondarenko ) 2 points each.
You had 4 incorrect picks , no points.

6*3 + 6*2 = 30



WAR


Hlavackova2-0 5 (5 picked Falconi)
Medina-G 2-0 3 (3 picked Oudin)
Scheepers 2-0 0 (wrong pick)
Zahlavova 2-0 2 (2 picked Giorgi)
Vesnina 2-1 3 (3 picked Dubois)
Hercog 2-0 6 (6 picked Date)
McHale 2-1 0 (wrong pick)
Stephens 2-1 0
Voskoboeva 2-0 0
KBondarenko 2-0 4
Daniilidou 2-1 3
Gajdosova 2-1 0
Hradecka 2-0 10
Dushevina 2-1 1
Lucic 2-0 11
Rodionova 2-1 12




SEQ


Hlavackova2-0 correct pick
Medina-G 2-0 correct pick
Scheepers 2-0 wrong pick , after your first wrong pick the rest does not matter, you have 12*12 points




PRO


Hlavackova 2-0 correct pick correct SR 16*2 points
Medina-Garrigues 2-0 correct pick incorrect SR 15*1 points
Scheepers 2-0 incorrect pick 14*0 points
Zahlavova-Strycova 2-0 correct pick correct SR 13*2 points
Vesnina 2-1 correct pick incorrect SR 12*1 points
Hercog 2-0 correct pick correct SR 11*2 points
McHale 2-1 incorrect pick 10*0 points
Stephens 2-1 incorrect pick 9*0 points
Voskoboeva 2-0 (etc)
K.Bondarenko 2-0
Daniilidou 2-1
Gajdosova 2-1
Hradecka 2-0
Dushevina 2-1
Lucic 2-0
Rodionova 2-1



FO

You got 40 points for each correct pick on R1 matches ( and you will get 60 on R2). 12 correct picks 480 points.

ronim1
Oct 3rd, 2012, 04:23 PM
I'm playing the new scoring only this week, but I must say that I prefer the old system which includes the discarding.

valac222
Oct 3rd, 2012, 05:41 PM
I am not for or against any team format. Just my thoughts:

-Discarding would be better if we had full (5player) teams AND captains had taken it seriously. It was fully autodiscard at the end.
-In both format you fight for your team and individual too. The difference is that in discarding you rather fight against your team members too (to avoid discarding) while in FC format you fight against 1 person of the opposite team.
-I guess FC format is easier to understand for a rookie.

Igorche
Oct 3rd, 2012, 06:42 PM
Too bad we do not have more teams then it would be more fun (I do not understand why people do not want to play)

How would be to play in the league format. If we have 16 regular players and everyone with everyone plays one match (15 tournaments). For every win you get 3 points and for tie 1. Whoever is first on the list at the end of the season (after 15 tournaments) will win the title.

When we have two (or three) tournaments in a week we can pick matches for both tournaments.

In 2013 we would have 30 tournaments (without a Grand Slam) and that would be two seasons. At Grand Slams we can play in teams (in this or the previous format).

New players can play in second division. At the end of the season first 4 from second division go to first and last 4 from first division go to second.

If we somehow manage to organize this format of the game it might be interesting.

Bad side is that some of the players maybe will not be able to play tournaments every week.

buji
Oct 4th, 2012, 04:02 AM
^^^This seems pretty interesting :hug:

ronim1
Oct 4th, 2012, 05:05 PM
Too bad we do not have more teams then it would be more fun (I do not understand why people do not want to play)

How would be to play in the league format. If we have 16 regular players and everyone with everyone plays one match (15 tournaments). For every win you get 3 points and for tie 1. Whoever is first on the list at the end of the season (after 15 tournaments) will win the title.

When we have two (or three) tournaments in a week we can pick matches for both tournaments.

In 2013 we would have 30 tournaments (without a Grand Slam) and that would be two seasons. At Grand Slams we can play in teams (in this or the previous format).

New players can play in second division. At the end of the season first 4 from second division go to first and last 4 from first division go to second.

If we somehow manage to organize this format of the game it might be interesting.

Bad side is that some of the players maybe will not be able to play tournaments every week.



That is an interesting suggestion.

But I think we must find a solution for not playing ALL tournaments in a year.
There are vacations etc.

Håkon
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:01 PM
How about we have a set number (say 15 %) byes per round? A player on holiday could then say in advance whether he would not play, and he would not be added to the fixture list.

The league format could also be part of the team game - and the two best teams could play a final at the YEC.

Mind, I kinda like the idea of one winner - or at least one team winner - per tournament.

valac222
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:22 PM
Just to check if I understand. Lets assume Group A with 8 person

W1 - Brisbane - League match 1
W2 - Sydney - League match 2
W5 - Paris - League match 3
W7 - Doha - League match 4
W8 - Dubai - League match 5
W9 - SA MMs - League match 6
W10 - IW - League match 7
W12 - Miami - "Rain day" for postponed matches

All plays against all others. At the end of the league 1-2 player relegated to Group B. But for all above tourneys everybody plays and we still keep the current structure too, to have tourney winners. Is that what you (more or less) thinking about?

(I can imagine this for singles, but I cannot see how it works for teams. It is relatively hard for a new team to join.)

Håkon
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:42 PM
With 8 players, I'm thinking 1 bye per round (which becomes 2 because it's impossible to pair off 7 people). So there would be 3 matches each round and 2 players sitting out. To make room for all 28 matches required, we would therefore need 10 weeks to play a league with 8 teams.

We might have 2 league rounds during Grand Slams and other 2-week tournaments, as well.

I can see that the new teams would cause a problem...so maybe we should just have a league during each tournament? 1st and 2nd day is 1st match, 3rd and 4th day is 2nd match, QFs, SFs and F is the final match?

valac222
Oct 10th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Watching some WAR picks, I see some just reverse his whole picks (without thinking of it at all)
I am thinking of limiting the WAR changes to lets say 33% of the number of matches (or 1 if less then 3 matches). Then you should really think where to change.

Opinions?

Igorche
Oct 10th, 2012, 07:51 AM
No way

Håkon
Oct 10th, 2012, 07:56 AM
As long as more people realise the correct tactics for WAR, that should even itself out. At some point it will be impossible to gain points from it.

valac222
Oct 10th, 2012, 08:09 AM
I am convinced :D

valac222
Oct 19th, 2012, 08:28 AM
The question about the type of team race is still open.

buji
Oct 19th, 2012, 08:35 AM
My 2 cents: It will be better if we have a league which determines a single winner.The league can also be split into 4 seasons like 4 slams :p

valac222
Nov 12th, 2012, 09:20 AM
Too bad we do not have more teams then it would be more fun (I do not understand why people do not want to play)

How would be to play in the league format. If we have 16 regular players and everyone with everyone plays one match (15 tournaments). For every win you get 3 points and for tie 1. Whoever is first on the list at the end of the season (after 15 tournaments) will win the title.

When we have two (or three) tournaments in a week we can pick matches for both tournaments.

In 2013 we would have 30 tournaments (without a Grand Slam) and that would be two seasons. At Grand Slams we can play in teams (in this or the previous format).

New players can play in second division. At the end of the season first 4 from second division go to first and last 4 from first division go to second.

If we somehow manage to organize this format of the game it might be interesting.

Bad side is that some of the players maybe will not be able to play tournaments every week.




So what about the following:
1. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. No league.
2. We have weekly competition for teams only and implement a league for singles with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
3. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. On the top the top of that we implement a singles league too, with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
4. Calculating with 24 players, we can have 8 teams (3each) and a league can be implemented for teams too.




There are still no decision on the team format:
1. Current discarding (autodiscard)
2. FEDCUP format



I need a honest answer:
1. Have you ever checked the rankings? Or which rankings are you interested? Should I manage all in the future? (Not a very big deal, half an hour a week, but I dont want to do it if it is not interesting)



Please react, I am lost a bit, and the game is for you.

come on lena
Nov 12th, 2012, 09:43 AM
So what about the following:
1. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. No league.
2. We have weekly competition for teams only and implement a league for singles with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
3. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. On the top the top of that we implement a singles league too, with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
4. Calculating with 24 players, we can have 8 teams (3each) and a league can be implemented for teams too.




There are still no decision on the team format:
1. Current discarding (autodiscard)
2. FEDCUP format



I need a honest answer:
1. Have you ever checked the rankings? Or which rankings are you interested? Should I manage all in the future? (Not a very big deal, half an hour a week, but I dont want to do it if it is not interesting)



Please react, I am lost a bit, and the game is for you.

Valac the game is very interesting,but I do not know if this is enough!I mean that you make hard work to organize this,and I do not know if it worths it!I take a look in the rankings almost every week!If I can help you tell me what I have to do!
Thanks for your time :worship:
Marios

buji
Nov 12th, 2012, 03:39 PM
I don't have patience or knowledge to type this much as Laszlo did :lol: but I don't want to miss Penta . So please make it happening in any format :)

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rnwerner
Nov 12th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Hm. I think the game should not include games which already exist.
I like the fact that there are 5 disciplines, especially war and sequence are very nice.

IMO the game makes only sense with OOP of at least 5-7 matches,
so the ITF last week was not good to play this game and small tournament aren't in general.
Because there are not so many players, I think it's enough to play the biggest tournaments. Grand Slams, Premier 5 and Premier mandatory. A few premier as well. And YEC and Sofia. It's enough.

IMO no team league or something, only singles.
The ranking then are interesting.
It does not make sense to play a team competition when everybody just picks his own picks.

Markmen
Nov 13th, 2012, 09:56 AM
So what about the following:
1. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. No league.
2. We have weekly competition for teams only and implement a league for singles with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
3. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. On the top the top of that we implement a singles league too, with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
4. Calculating with 24 players, we can have 8 teams (3each) and a league can be implemented for teams too.




There are still no decision on the team format:
1. Current discarding (autodiscard)
2. FEDCUP format



I need a honest answer:
1. Have you ever checked the rankings? Or which rankings are you interested? Should I manage all in the future? (Not a very big deal, half an hour a week, but I dont want to do it if it is not interesting)



Please react, I am lost a bit, and the game is for you.


Hey Lazlo
I love it. You do a fantastic jo and i really appreciate everything even the rankings. I dont kow how you do it myself.
I qm only fairly new to tipping and hope to get into top 50 for 2013 and i like Penta as it hones my skills for the other tippings.
Hope you cna continue with this.
Cheers
Mark:wavey:

valac222
Nov 21st, 2012, 12:19 PM
So what about the following:
1. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. No league.
2. We have weekly competition for teams only and implement a league for singles with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
3. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. On the top the top of that we implement a singles league too, with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
4. Calculating with 24 players, we can have 8 teams (3each) and a league can be implemented for teams too.




There are still no decision on the team format:
1. Current discarding (autodiscard)
2. FEDCUP format



Do you really want me to make decisions?

buji
Nov 23rd, 2012, 10:19 AM
As I always say its up to you to make decisions :)

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Igorche
Nov 23rd, 2012, 12:40 PM
So what about the following:
1. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. No league.
2. We have weekly competition for teams only and implement a league for singles with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
3. We keep the current format and there will be every week a singles and a team winner. On the top the top of that we implement a singles league too, with division I. II. III. (8 players each). The last two are relegated and the first two go upwards.
4. Calculating with 24 players, we can have 8 teams (3each) and a league can be implemented for teams too.




There are still no decision on the team format:
1. Current discarding (autodiscard)
2. FEDCUP format



I need a honest answer:
1. Have you ever checked the rankings? Or which rankings are you interested? Should I manage all in the future? (Not a very big deal, half an hour a week, but I dont want to do it if it is not interesting)



Please react, I am lost a bit, and the game is for you.

2.

I think it should stay current game format (team competition with autodiscard) plus (if it is possible) insert the league with division I. II. III.

Honestly, I looked at the list once or twice (at the start of the game). I do not know, there are too many lists and position on the list is not important, better ranking brings you nothing and does not take away anything from you.

Håkon
Dec 19th, 2012, 02:10 PM
Up, sorry I didn't respond earlier.

I still think the Fed Cup format is the most fun team format, you get to play head-to-head with someone, and the current team league is pretty much decided by Wednesday/Thursday.

I'm still a bit confused about how the league would work? Would it be head-to-head over several weeks, or would it be one in one tournament? The first might be hard to recruit people to (3-4 months until they could even play in division I).

Personally, I think it's best to have one individual winner and one team winner each tournament. Easiest and simplest to work out. So if that's the goal, what would be the best way of getting there? (Not quite sure myself)

valac222
Dec 20th, 2012, 09:53 AM
The way I see it now is the following:
-There will be one individual winner each tournament. So it is not going to change.
-Team competion will be FEDCUP like, but still one winner per week. Depending the number of teams the format will either be daily elimination or daily round robin.
-I would like to change the number of team members to 4. So teams might change a bit :D
-In addition (if there is a need) I set up (an) individual league(s) 8 players each (1st 2nd 3rd division later). It is a 10 week excercise, where you can skip a week or two, with weekly face to face matches.

I open Brisbane soon and ask for the new teams and whether you want to take part of the league.

Håkon
Dec 20th, 2012, 10:07 AM
That all sounds very good to me. :yeah: