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Charlatan
Apr 25th, 2012, 10:08 PM
I don't know how many of you have an interest in singing, vocal terminologies, musicality, but just thought I'd share these well-constructed videos on certain singers' capabilities, virtuosity and musicianship.

Especially his last video on Whitney Houston, explaining why she is a world-class vocalist/ musician in details. They are a bit long, but they definitely are worth spending your time watching :)

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A similar one on Mariah Carey

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And Beyonce

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Dodoboy.
Apr 25th, 2012, 10:14 PM
Definitely worth a watch!

ivanban
Apr 25th, 2012, 11:46 PM
All 3 vids :bowdown:

Charlatan
Apr 26th, 2012, 05:13 AM
glad you two enjoy them

on a fun note, I forgot to add another one for our all-time best singer, Miss Christina :p
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Moveyourfeet
Apr 26th, 2012, 05:36 AM
omg, poor Christina lol.

Pops Maellard
Apr 26th, 2012, 06:24 AM
glad you two enjoy them

on a fun note, I forgot to add another one for our all-time best singer, Miss Christina :p
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How dare you! :o

ranfurly
Apr 26th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Wonderful Videos.

No One trumps a Master Class by Caballe however
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Or a Master Class at Julliard via Callas
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Just listening to her instruct...nothing compares

M.P
Apr 26th, 2012, 11:24 AM
How dare you! :o

HOW DARE YOU ?! :rolleyes:

Charlatan
Apr 26th, 2012, 03:26 PM
:lol: sorry christina fans

and to ranfurly, the uploader actually has made a similar one for Maria Callas, too

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This is equally wonderful. You'd love it :)

ranfurly
Apr 26th, 2012, 08:19 PM
:lol: sorry christina fans

and to ranfurly, the uploader actually has made a similar one for Maria Callas, too

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This is equally wonderful. You'd love it :)

I can't see it at work! but the anticipation of watching is making me cream my panties right now as we speak!

Dominic
Apr 26th, 2012, 08:26 PM
Where is queen Celine?

Charlatan
Apr 26th, 2012, 08:55 PM
Celine has never been on the level of Whitney and Mariah despite the fact that people in general hail all three of them as the vocal trinity. Her technique is flawed and her musicianship is poor. I think that explains why there is not a video like these for her.

The Dawntreader
Apr 26th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Everyone should watch the Maria Callas video. Everything you need to know about singing is highlighted. Forte, pianissmio, dimunendos, trills, breath control, passagio, note placement.

Everything.

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 26th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Yeah they were long videos but I enjoyed every second of them- thanks for sharing!

Moveyourfeet
Apr 27th, 2012, 03:06 AM
Or a Master Class at Julliard via Callas
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Just listening to her instruct...nothing compares

I just LOVE Callas' masterclass at Juilliard. What an honor it must have been for those students.
I particularly love when she instructs the tenor singing A te o cara. He sings it and it sounds great. And then she sings it and then you hear the nuance, the legato and the continuity of line that he missed.
Just fantastic. There were some pretty impressive students in that class by the way. There was a bass that had a pretty good career. I can't remember his name now. He's from Jamaica.

Moveyourfeet
Apr 27th, 2012, 03:27 AM
If there were an artist that the phrase 'Your fave could never' could literally be applied, it would be Maria Callas. She was the TOTAL PACKAGE (at her peak).

Pops Maellard
Apr 27th, 2012, 03:45 AM
:lol: sorry christina fans



It's OK :lol:. That video really was just pure haterade though :oh:.

doktor
Apr 27th, 2012, 10:19 AM
Whitney is GOAT

sammy01
Apr 27th, 2012, 10:35 AM
people sit back and learn

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HippityHop
Apr 27th, 2012, 12:27 PM
I've always maintained that pop technique and classical technique are worlds apart.

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 01:26 AM
I just LOVE Callas' masterclass at Juilliard. What an honor it must have been for those students.
I particularly love when she instructs the tenor singing A te o cara. He sings it and it sounds great. And then she sings it and then you hear the nuance, the legato and the continuity of line that he missed.
Just fantastic. There were some pretty impressive students in that class by the way. There was a bass that had a pretty good career. I can't remember his name now. He's from Jamaica.

Me too, I think it is one of the very few videos where I listened and didn't pay attention to how long it was. It came to an end, and I thought...Shit, I watched nearly half an hour of Callas instructing a Master Class.

Those classes were in the day when she had essentially retired from the opera stage, but her experience, intelligence, fortitude, what a treat for all of the students to have La Divina assist in there musicianship. Such a wonderful joy, and an experience never to forget.

I love the quote she said in this video

"I must correct a lot because you can absorb a lot" (or similar words) Great singer, great teacher."

"Good teachers make the best of a pupil's means; great teachers foresee a pupil's ends" is another quote of her wisdom and intelligence.

What a talent and super star.

There is a 60 minute interview with Mike Wallace (60 minutes) and he tried to grill the shit out of her, and the way she held herself, her elegance, her poise, No Diva could but Callas.

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 01:45 AM
:lol: sorry christina fans

and to ranfurly, the uploader actually has made a similar one for Maria Callas, too

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This is equally wonderful. You'd love it :)

Just absolutely brilliant, I have watched it twice.

You may as well take of Whitney, Britney, Beyonce..whoever muppets in the beginning of this thread, they are should bow down to La Divina, For she would turn them into pillars of stone.

Incredible. Nothing will ever compare.

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 01:48 AM
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Let's not forget the Birthday Girl, and the most successful of all female artists, Barbra Streisand.

The greateset non-operatic singer of the 20th century, an immense musicianship compared only to Callas' and a voice so miraculously fabricated that it never needed the slightest effort to be in perfect tune.

To compare Mariah, Christina to Miss Barbra Joan Brolin :-P is like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Honda.

(Sarcasm) they are all good in their own rights.

You're fave could also never! :-P

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 01:58 AM
Celine has never been on the level of Whitney and Mariah despite the fact that people in general hail all three of them as the vocal trinity. Her technique is flawed and her musicianship is poor. I think that explains why there is not a video like these for her.

There was a quote sometime which stated..

"Give Celine one Song, and let her sing it 10 times, and without fail, the 10 copies will be almost similar. Give Whitney one song, let her sing it 10 times, and without fail she'll give you 10 variations of the same song" (sic)

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 28th, 2012, 02:55 AM
There was a quote sometime which stated..

"Give Celine one Song, and let her sing it 10 times, and without fail, the 10 copies will be almost similar. Give Whitney one song, let her sing it 10 times, and without fail she'll give you 10 variations of the same song" (sic)

David Foster said this in his book. If I'm motivated when I get home I will copy it. He is actually complementing Whitney with that quote. He says somethingtabourt how Whitney is masterful at interpreting lyrics. He said working with Celine he would sometimes tell her how if Whitney were in the studio she would be able to "do it"- as a means to motivate Celine if she was having a hard time with something. He did also say how sometimes Whitney could be annoying because sometimes he wasn't interested in hearing other ways- he simply wanted to hear something the way he had envisioned and only that way. Whereas Celine was better at doing what she was told- so he was actually complementing both.

I have seen both Celine and Whitney in concert and both were phenomenal. Celine probably put on a better show, while Whitney blew the roof off the mutha. Both great in their own right. Pople who prefer to hear a song exactly how it was recorded would probably prefer Celine. Whitney is more about emotion- so how she's feeling dictates how the song sounds. She can take a great record and transform it into something spectacular. I think both are worthy of educational videos.

The Whitney video is a great representation of what Whitney was about, as well as her artistry, and her technical abilities. They even have a clip of Whitney singing opera with the Three Tenors. Even as a hardcore fan I heard a few thing I hadn't before.

I'm going to, at some point, try to watch every video posted in this thread. I love this stuff!

Sam L
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:02 AM
They even have a clip of Whitney singing opera with the Three Tenors. Even as a hardcore fan I heard a few thing I hadn't before.

Where was this?

Charlatan
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Where was this?

I think this is the video that you are looking for

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may be they would have much more unreleased rare clips, but this is the only clip we can find about nippy doing a little piece of opera

Sam L
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:12 AM
I think this is the video that you are looking for

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may be they would have much more unreleased rare clips, but this is the only clip we can find about nippy doing a little piece of opera
Oh I've seen this. I thought he was talking about something else. But thanks.

Charlatan
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:12 AM
Just absolutely brilliant, I have watched it twice.

Glad you thoroughly enjoy the callas video :)

There was a quote sometime which stated..

"Give Celine one Song, and let her sing it 10 times, and without fail, the 10 copies will be almost similar. Give Whitney one song, let her sing it 10 times, and without fail she'll give you 10 variations of the same song" (sic)

Never seen this quote until you post it...The statement was so ON-POINT!

I'm going to, at some point, try to watch every video posted in this thread. I love this stuff!

Yes, please do. They are all worth a watch. I am glad you guys love it :)

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:17 AM
David Foster said this in his book. If I'm motivated when I get home I will copy it. He is actually complementing Whitney with that quote. He says somethingtabourt how Whitney is masterful at interpreting lyrics. He said working with Celine he would sometimes tell her how if Whitney were in the studio she would be able to "do it"- as a means to motivate Celine if she was having a hard time with something. He did also say how sometimes Whitney could be annoying because sometimes he wasn't interested in hearing other ways- he simply wanted to hear something the way he had envisioned and only that way. Whereas Celine was better at doing what she was told- so he was actually complementing both.

I have seen both Celine and Whitney in concert and both were phenomenal. Celine probably put on a better show, while Whitney blew the roof off the mutha. Both great in their own right. Pople who prefer to hear a song exactly how it was recorded would probably prefer Celine. Whitney is more about emotion- so how she's feeling dictates how the song sounds. She can take a great record and transform it into something spectacular. I think both are worthy of educational videos.

The Whitney video is a great representation of what Whitney was about, as well as her artistry, and her technical abilities. They even have a clip of Whitney singing opera with the Three Tenors. Even as a hardcore fan I heard a few thing I hadn't before.

I'm going to, at some point, try to watch every video posted in this thread. I love this stuff!

Cool mate, yeah if you get some time, that would be mint, I've hunted around for the site which said it, but can't bloody find the damn thing! so that would be awesome as!

I do remember when I read it that it wasn't throwing shade onto one or the other, I knew there was some dialogue expressing what he meant, It's just I forgot what it was!..apart from the quote which I partially remember heh!

Nicolás89
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:20 AM
Celine has never been on the level of Whitney and Mariah despite the fact that people in general hail all three of them as the vocal trinity. Her technique is flawed and her musicianship is poor. I think that explains why there is not a video like these for her.

I think there isn't a video of her is because the uploader is a hater. :lol:

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:31 AM
I think this is the video that you are looking for

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may be they would have much more unreleased rare clips, but this is the only clip we can find about nippy doing a little piece of opera

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I'll try and endeavour not make this into a "post your favorite clips" page,

That's a wonderful vid of Whitney singing classical, not many popular singers that play around with classical repitoire can pull it of, ofcourse in a classical sense but also vice-versa, they are far from perfect, but to the every day listener, there is a presence of singing a classical peice with commendation or with woe.

The clip above shows Barbra Streisand in her earlier years dabbling with classical repotoire, of course it wouldn't be a Streisand vid without her a Eire of comical presence in several of the prices.

I guess it clearly shows a vocal range which also was unexplored, not just if she were to acquire classical training, because she was too stubborn to be taught,

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:31 AM
Where was this?

Well not quite...lol. Sorry to mislead you. Two of the three tenors had performed at a benefit conceert- then afterward Luciano Pavarotti called up Sting, Whitney, and Elton John. He gave them the lyrics and had them sing an impromptu. Whitney stole the show.

Charlatan
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:36 AM
I think there isn't a video of her is because the uploader is a hater. :lol:

Well, yeah, kind of a bit :p he doesn't like celine's singing, admittedly

However, it really has nothing to do with his personal feeling for her singing, I can assure you. It's just that celine never been an all-round vocalist with complete mastery over her instrument. Her sound-execution is nasal, her technique past the middle belts is flawed. She uses that uneven super-mix technique and her sound is not as co-ordinated as that of mariah/whitney.

And her interpretative skills are sub-par. You can judge it from most of her covers :)

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:37 AM
Well not quite...lol. Sorry to mislead you. Two of the three tenors had performed at a benefit conceert- then afterward Luciano Pavarotti called up Sting, Whitney, and Elton John. He gave them the lyrics and had them sing an impromptu. Whitney stole the show:

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Whitney busts out the upper register, and to be honest, it actually doesn't sound to bad!

Perhaps we could of had a Whitney Houston at La Scala or the NY Met? the understudy of Leontyne Price!

Elton looks a bit lost without his Piano haha...though surprisingly, held it alright.

Charlatan
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:39 AM
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I'll try and endeavour not make this into a "post your favorite clips" page,

That's a wonderful vid of Whitney singing classical, not many popular singers that play around with classical repitoire can pull it of, ofcourse in a classical sense but also vice-versa, they are far from perfect, but to the every day listener, there is a presence of singing a classical peice with commendation or with woe.

The clip above shows Barbra Streisand in her earlier years dabbling with classical repotoire, of course it wouldn't be a Streisand vid without her a Eire of comical presence in several of the prices.

I guess it clearly shows a vocal range which also was unexplored, not just if she were to acquire classical training, because she was too stubborn to be taught,

It's fine. :) I enjoy Barbra's singing though I am not as familiar with her music as I am with Whitney/Mariah, etc

Btw, the video you shared was wonderful. All these women could have been some wonderful classical singers with proper classical intense training.

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:54 AM
It's fine. :) I enjoy Barbra's singing though I am not as familiar with her music as I am with Whitney/Mariah, etc

Btw, the video you shared was wonderful. All these women could have been some wonderful classical singers with proper classical intense training.

Defintly, I guess then we wouldn't know them as what they are today with the choices they made in the industry.

Apparently Streisand, and I don't know if this is necessacary true, had one singing lesson back in the late 50's/early 60's when she was starting to appear on the New York circuit, her instructor scolded her over how she pronounced the word "bee" (She may have been singing one of her tradmark songs "A sleeping Bee") and she got up and left the class and didn't return.

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:57 AM
btw: Does anyone here watch youtube videos of the "X Singer" vs "Y Singer" videos? I find the comments part the most entertaining haha, out of the 5 or 6 intelligent posts, the plethora of them are just huge fights, probably paralleled to some of the result threads on TF heh.

Also, atleast 90% of the opera videos which have significant viewing, never a dull moment on the comments section haha

ranfurly
Apr 28th, 2012, 04:04 AM
If anyone is interested in the resonance of voice, this video does a great job of defining it, and uses several different stylings of music to convey,

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Pops Maellard
Apr 28th, 2012, 04:27 AM
Well, yeah, kind of a bit :p he doesn't like celine's singing, admittedly

However, it really has nothing to do with his personal feeling for her singing, I can assure you. It's just that celine never been an all-round vocalist with complete mastery over her instrument. Her sound-execution is nasal, her technique past the middle belts is flawed. She uses that uneven super-mix technique and her sound is not as co-ordinated as that of mariah/whitney.

And her interpretative skills are sub-par. You can judge it from most of her covers :)
The nasal quality of Celine's voice has only increased over the years :(.

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ElusiveChanteuse
Apr 28th, 2012, 07:23 AM
The Imperial Songbird Supreme :hearts:

Rerun
Apr 28th, 2012, 09:57 AM
Callas is outstanding, the supreme diva, eternal

Whitney is the legendary voice of the modern music definitely

If Id order the three of them for their vocal skills my list would be
Whitney
Mimi
Beyoncè (a bit far from the others)

what do u think?

Celine's nasal voice sounds awful to me, just a point of view though

Charlatan
Apr 29th, 2012, 12:22 AM
If Id order the three of them for their vocal skills my list would be
Whitney
Mimi
Beyoncè (a bit far from the others)

what do u think?

Celine's nasal voice sounds awful to me, just a point of view though

Basically this!!!

It takes more than a beautiful voice aka Xtina's voice and/or preserving your voice over the years aka celine's case to master your instrument and skills in all parts of your vocal registers, maintaining full support from the bottom to top of your range.

Charlatan
Apr 29th, 2012, 12:30 AM
If anyone is interested in the resonance of voice, this video does a great job of defining it, and uses several different stylings of music to convey,

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That's another fantastic educational video by the same uploader. His videos are amazing.

Here is the part 2

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And the following is some education singing videos on vocal placements, flat/sharp notes and larynx position while singing (if any of you are interested in them)

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The thing about these videos is that they are not some boring text-book style instruction lectured by a monotonous vocal teacher in front of the video. They feature real singers, pointing out 'what to's and 'what not to's while singing, giving you better insight about how to sing properly

Barktra
Apr 29th, 2012, 12:40 AM
For someone like me who doesn't know what goes into singing. These are quite eye opening videos and very interesting. Thanks for sharing :hi5:

Nicolás89
Apr 29th, 2012, 01:50 AM
The videos above were great, really educational, specially for amateurs. I've taken some lessons before but I only got as far as to learn how to sing with diafragme support instead of just the throat & some resonance & breathing tips but that's it, I'm just really limited, I'd like to continue taking classes. :)

Charlatan
Apr 29th, 2012, 02:12 AM
For someone like me who doesn't know what goes into singing. These are quite eye opening videos and very interesting. Thanks for sharing :hi5:

Glad you find them interesting :D

The videos above were great, really educational, specially for amateurs. I've taken some lessons before but I only got as far as to learn how to sing with diafragme support instead of just the throat & some resonance & breathing tips but that's it, I'm just really limited, I'd like to continue taking classes. :)

Taking lessons would definitely help, though I myself don't have a formal training either. You should keep going and all the lessons would hopefully pay off at the end. So good luck :)

ranfurly
Apr 29th, 2012, 02:39 AM
Maria Callas on Trills.

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Moveyourfeet
Apr 29th, 2012, 04:56 AM
I've always maintained that pop technique and classical technique are worlds apart.

You are correct. Opera is self-selecting for good technique as it's virtually impossible to successfully assay a role (that is substantive) without it.
The technique for opera vocalists is based on projecting over an orchestra unamplified. This is why each vocal fach has repetoire that lies much higher in the voice than modern music. It's why the female voices make big use of the head voice and less chest, while you have the opposite in modern music.
It's pretty much the same for male voices.


As for the technique videos:
Almost all those singers are singing with high larynges. Some just have bigger ranges than others. It's almost impossible to sing at the top of your range with chest voice without the larynx rising regardless of your appoggio.

ranfurly
May 2nd, 2012, 01:43 AM
Probably not known to alot of Americans or people under the age of 40, is one of the great British Singers Cilla Black.

What was so envious of Cilla's singing, were two distinct things,

a) Cilla had a knack for singing a song which had distinct or unorthodox time signatures, infact there are many of songs which were created for her from budding song writers with unorthodox time signatures, Anyone who had a heart is by far the most famous of them.

b) Cilla also had a very comfortable light pianissmo voice, which she had great control over, but also held a very powerful contro-alto range and with the flick of a switch the two voices were so distinct, you wouldn't have known it was her singing if you didn't know of her.

Many of what she sang started of very contemporary, and built to a powerful climax.

Many of what Cilla sang was from entertainer Burt Bacharach, who was known to experiment with time signatures.

Cilla shows the complexity of singing which isn't straight forward, with voice control, but also a distinct awareness of the complexities of the song, she is one of the few singers who are effortlessly innate to combat such distinct stylings.

To be honest, Im not sure why she still doesn't get alot more recognition, she was one of the early pioneers of British Contemporary/Pop and an ode to British Music.

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Sam L
May 3rd, 2012, 01:57 PM
If there were an artist that the phrase 'Your fave could never' could literally be applied, it would be Maria Callas. She was the TOTAL PACKAGE (at her peak).

I would've thought that phrase would belong to this:

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Since in this case, it almost literally is "never". :oh:

Sam L
May 3rd, 2012, 01:58 PM
Are any of you Maria Callas fans familiar with Lilli Lehmann? Apparently she was a big fan of hers. I'm thinking about buying some of her recordings.

Rerun
May 26th, 2012, 12:16 PM
She is good, but still Whitney used to be another level...

nice tribute anyway
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Dodoboy.
May 26th, 2012, 12:44 PM
Great to see someone who isn't just some random Beyonce fan put her video together and REALLY have nothing but amazing words to say about her. I've watched that video too many times to remember. The Christina fans must be UPSET.

Pops Maellard
May 26th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Great to see someone who isn't just some random Beyonce fan put her video together and REALLY have nothing but amazing words to say about her. I've watched that video too many times to remember. The Christina fans must be UPSET.

I was a bit upset at the "Noise of Our Generation" video because it was just haterade and biased. But I'm not upset that certain user thinks Bey is the voice of the generation, because very few people think that compared to those that still think Christina owns that throne ;).

Dodoboy.
May 26th, 2012, 01:57 PM
I was a bit upset at the "Noise of Our Generation" video because it was just haterade and biased. But I'm not upset that certain user thinks Bey is the voice of the generation, because very few people think that compared to those that still think Christina owns that throne ;).

That's the point though, it's not just 'haterade and biased'. Look at his other videos.

That last bit of your sentence, OK. :wavey:

Nicolás89
May 26th, 2012, 05:01 PM
That's the point though, it's not just 'haterade and biased'. Look at his other videos.

That last bit of your sentence, OK. :wavey:

That kind of corroborates it. :lol:

Charlatan
May 26th, 2012, 07:35 PM
There we go with the stan arguments :lol:

Technically and objectively speaking, xtina is not even that much of a vocalist to begin with...so there is no way one can make a similar video like the beyonce one for her...her flaws outweigh her strengths (which are a nice tone and strong voice in the middle range, that's all) too much to make a positive video for her singing

Dominic
May 26th, 2012, 07:36 PM
However, it really has nothing to do with his personal feeling for her singing, I can assure you. It's just that celine never been an all-round vocalist with complete mastery over her instrument. Her sound-execution is nasal, her technique past the middle belts is flawed. She uses that uneven super-mix technique and her sound is not as co-ordinated as that of mariah/whitney.

And her interpretative skills are sub-par. You can judge it from most of her covers :)

So you're obviously a hater too :lol:

Charlatan
May 26th, 2012, 07:42 PM
So you're obviously a hater too :lol:

:facepalm:

ok :shrug:

Dominic
May 26th, 2012, 08:09 PM
:facepalm:

ok :shrug:

why do you think there are so many ppl putting her in the same league as Mariah and Whitney if she's that awful a singer as you described.

Nicolás89
May 26th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Humm..people talking about techinique when they haven't had any lessons or training themselves, interesting.

Charlatan
May 26th, 2012, 08:30 PM
why do you think there are so many ppl putting her in the same league as Mariah and Whitney if she's that awful a singer as you described.

Key word: so many ppl, which means
1)the general public/ audience, who has little or barely a clue on technical aspects of singing or
2)the journalists aka wannabe music critics who major in journalism, meaning they know how to write, but NOT how to critique on singing techincally

For example, the Rolling stone magazine made a list, a while ago, of the 100 greatest singers (of which the list was made by these 'supposed' music critics/ journalists) and Bob Dylan, who can't even sing in tune half of the time, was ranked like 7th or something.

All these examples show that the general public's opinions and views have little to zero credibility when it comes to judging singers from technical and musical aspects


Humm..people talking about techinique when they haven't had any lessons or training themselves, interesting.

Reading, studying, observing and learning can help you, though! Since when lessons or training are the only way for all the wonders and musical and technical knowledge to you?

Stamp Paid
May 26th, 2012, 11:45 PM
I hope these videos were a part of someone's MFA/dissertation research, because if a fan did this :worship:

Pops Maellard
May 26th, 2012, 11:55 PM
There we go with the stan arguments :lol:

Technically and objectively speaking, xtina is not even that much of a vocalist to begin with...so there is no way one can make a similar video like the beyonce one for her...her flaws outweigh her strengths (which are a nice tone and strong voice in the middle range, that's all) too much to make a positive video for her singing

Whistle register ability? :p

Stamp Paid
May 27th, 2012, 12:01 AM
Wait, this is a stan. :rolls: I'm just getting into Messiah Carey's.
"The moment your fave has been eliminated":lol:

Queenpova
May 27th, 2012, 12:05 AM
Whitney >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ranfurly
May 27th, 2012, 12:19 AM
Humm..people talking about techinique when they haven't had any lessons or training themselves, interesting.

It helps, but there are people out there who study music as an academia in it's entirety, and not have to sing to be knowledgable.

I did a few papers at University in Music, just for points, and our lecturer couldn't sing to save himself, yet his knowledge of terminology and assessing operatic technique was second to none.

ranfurly
May 27th, 2012, 12:21 AM
I really hope this thread doesn't go into a fan boy war.

The 3 or so pages was actually a really interesting subject to consider for people who are interested in musical technique, and some great video clips and examples of these techniques being executed.

For one, I I like Beyonce as an entertainer, but she can suck my fat one when it comes to Callas.

The Dawntreader
May 27th, 2012, 01:00 AM
Whistle register ability? :p

Whistle register ability is almost a tacky embellishment IMO. It's always a dodgy interpolation intonation wise, and it's more like a party trick than any substantial music ornamentation.

I remember Minnie Ripperton's songs where she could sing about 8 bars in whistle register and she would sound absolutely deranged, and it didn't translate with the melody at all.

Dominic
May 27th, 2012, 01:00 AM
Key word: so many ppl, which means
1)the general public/ audience, who has little or barely a clue on technical aspects of singing or
2)the journalists aka wannabe music critics who major in journalism, meaning they know how to write, but NOT how to critique on singing techincally

For example, the Rolling stone magazine made a list, a while ago, of the 100 greatest singers (of which the list was made by these 'supposed' music critics/ journalists) and Bob Dylan, who can't even sing in tune half of the time, was ranked like 7th or something.

All these examples show that the general public's opinions and views have little to zero credibility when it comes to judging singers from technical and musical aspects


A lot of the things you said to bash her were a question of taste and not objective. Like the nasal quality, some ppl apreciate that and some songs sound even better with that kind of a tone, the thing you said about interpretation sklls is also very much your own opinion, which is obviously not shared by most ppl.

Even if "so many ppl" means partly general public and journalists (I've heard "specialists" mash the 3 of them together many times before btw) there is still a reason why her voice is regarded as one of the best ever by them. Why do you think that is? Did they just pick a singer randomly cause they thought it was better to have 3 great singers instead if 2?

ElusiveChanteuse
May 27th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Vocal Talent: Mimi > Xtina = Whitney > Bey
Vocal Skill: Whitney > Bey = Mimi > Xtina

:oh:

HippityHop
May 27th, 2012, 01:11 AM
It helps, but there are people out there who study music as an academia in it's entirety, and not have to sing to be knowledgable.

I did a few papers at University in Music, just for points, and our lecturer couldn't sing to save himself, yet his knowledge of terminology and assessing operatic technique was second to none.

Well, as a professional musician, I can say that it's the difference between knowing music from the outside in and knowing music from the inside out.

Stamp Paid
May 27th, 2012, 01:17 AM
Are there similar videos out there that focus on male vocalists? Like a Pavarotti master class, or maybe something from a popular contemporary male vocalist?

Charlatan
May 27th, 2012, 01:31 AM
Are there similar videos out there that focus on male vocalists? Like a Pavarotti master class, or maybe something from a popular contemporary male vocalist?

No, he hasn't made something like this for male vocalists YET. I'll ask him, though, if he is going to make one in the future

ranfurly
May 27th, 2012, 01:46 AM
No, he hasn't made something like this for male vocalists YET. I'll ask him, though, if he is going to make one in the future

let us know how that goes :p

Charlatan
May 27th, 2012, 01:49 AM
let us know how that goes :p

sure :D

ranfurly
May 27th, 2012, 01:56 AM
Are there similar videos out there that focus on male vocalists? Like a Pavarotti master class, or maybe something from a popular contemporary male vocalist?

Yep there is,

Someone should fully ping them on here before someone starts posting videos of Female Impersonators and how A is better than B, when really no one gives a shit.

Pops Maellard
May 27th, 2012, 01:57 AM
Andrea Bocelli vid would be great :hearts:.

Nicolás89
May 27th, 2012, 02:01 AM
Well, as a professional musician, I can say that it's the difference between knowing music from the outside in and knowing music from the inside out.

I kind of agree, I've taken lessons before like really serious vocal training, I've even been on stage a little (really) & although I don't know much of the technical terminology I'm so used to singing / listening that I can tell from the first note any person would sing almost like a reflex if they're on tune, singing with support, breathing correctly & if their positioning is correct (basic stuff anyway).

Anyway by this I wanna say that the ability to vibrate & do runs don't make you a singing adept.

Nicolás89
May 27th, 2012, 02:04 AM
Andrea Bocelli vid would be great :hearts:.

Weirdly enough Andrea (for an opera singer) doesn't have great technique, love his voice though.

ranfurly
May 27th, 2012, 02:12 AM
Andrea Bocelli vid would be great :hearts:.

I Love Andrea, Im a bit of a sucker for popera, in the sense that he's quite therepeutic.

owww what about Placido Domingo, Still nailing out a good volume at his age!

ivanban
May 27th, 2012, 08:28 AM
Weirdly enough Andrea (for an opera singer) doesn't have great technique, love his voice though.

This

Pops Maellard
May 27th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Weirdly enough Andrea (for an opera singer) doesn't have great technique, love his voice though.
If Andrea :hearts: Bocelli doesn't have great technique then that just illustrates to me that technique is slightly overrated :yeah:.