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CHOCO
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:00 PM
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS!!!!



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"It demonstrated to us not only a lack of basic geographic skills, but also a disengagement, a turning-inward, almost an isolationist tendency."
Terry Garcia, National Geographic




Young Americans Get D In Geography

WASHINGTON, Nov. 20, 2002

(CBS) Young Americans may soon have to fight a war in Iraq, but most of them can't even find that country on a map, the National Geographic Society said Wednesday.

The society survey found that only about one in seven — 13 percent — of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor.

Although the majority, 58 percent, of the young Americans surveyed knew that the Taliban and al Qaeda were based in Afghanistan, only 17 percent could find that country on a world map. A U.S.-led force attacked the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan in October 2001, and President Bush has said he is prepared to use force to rid Iraq of any chemical, nuclear or biological weapons programs.

"We were quite stunned to find out that these people did not know where Iraq was," Terry Garcia of National Geographic magazine told CBS radio station WBZ-AM. "It demonstrated to us not only a lack of basic geographic skills, but also a disengagement, a turning-inward, almost an isolationist tendency."

The survey asked 56 geographic and current events questions of young people in nine countries and scored the results with traditional grades. The surveyed Americans got a "D," with an average of 23 correct answers. Mexico ranked last with an average score of 21, just three points from a failing grade.

Topping the scoring was Sweden, with an average of 40, followed by Germany and Italy, each with 38. None of the countries got an "A," which required average scores of 42 correct answers or better on the 56 questions.

"If our young people can't find places on a map and lack awareness of current events, how can they understand the world's cultural, economic and natural resource issues that confront us?" John Fahey, president of the National Geographic Society, said in a statement.

National Geographic is convening an international panel of policy makers and business and media leaders to find ways to improve geographic education and to encourage interest in world affairs, the society said.

Other findings from the survey:
Thirty-four percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The "Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern South Pacific.


When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the nation's third most populous state.


On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of 16 countries in the quiz. Only 89 percent of the Americans surveyed could find their own country on the map.


In the world map test, Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16 countries. Germans and Italians were next, with an average of 12 each.


Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.


Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could find Saudi Arabia on the map.
The international survey was conducted for the National Geographic by RoperASW. The results are based on face-to-face interviews with at least 300 men and women aged 18 to 24 in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, Britain and the United States.

The questionnaires were in the local language, but the content was universally the same.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:04 PM
It Figures!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:05 PM
omg lmao!

let me post this one more time...........

DutchieGirl
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:08 PM
am so not surprised!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:11 PM
wow -i'm so proud of my swedish neighbours! ;) Norway should have been in the survey too! :-D

nasty nick#2
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:15 PM
Im so proud im from Sweden right now, we're the best and most educated :-D

"Young Americans may soon have to fight a war in Iraq, but most of them can't even find that country on a map, the National Geographic Society said Wednesday"

I hope they don't bomb Greece or Turkey or something by mistake (double lol)

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:15 PM
Hi Marri :wavey:. The CNN thing is great!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:16 PM
lmao nick!!! imagine if they hit the wrong country... lol :-O

Hamster!!! yeah, i love it too!!!!! but i feel like there's no use posting that CNN thing.... coz so many still don't get the mistake.... :-o

Dahveed
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:18 PM
What Switzerland just moved in Austria? Big deal! lol!

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:19 PM
I've sent a link to mate in Switzerland. See what he makes of it.

How are you/

Crazy Canuck
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:20 PM
NOt surprising, but dissapointing.

I'm pretty sure that Canada's scores for these things aren't overly wonderful either, if I remember the last time I read up on standardized tests here.

When I was young I read atlases for kicks, and would have had no problem doing anything like that.

All kids should read atlases for kicks :p

Dahveed
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:21 PM
Wait this is Czech Republic, right? Okay French are not that good at geography either *ashamed smiley* But i do know Switzerland has a border with my country *proud*

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:21 PM
Yeah I did that (as well as other stuff inovlveing sport, chicken nuggets and sheeps eyes)

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:22 PM
I'm doing good!!! what about you?

lol Becca... i loved looking in the atlas too..... it was so much fun... to point out the places i've been to... and places i wanna go too... i had to study the European map a lot when i made my backpacking trip earlier this year...

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:23 PM
lol Dah, yeah.. they replaced czech rep.!!!! Schweiz is south for Germany ;-)

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:24 PM
Excellent!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:24 PM
glad to hear :-)

nasty nick#2
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:26 PM
I used to check the atlas and tried to learn the capitals of each country, i was actually quite good. At my peak i knew every capital in Europe, America, Oceania and most in Asia.

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:29 PM
I was hoping you'd ask me why I'm so happy. If you want to know it's 2/3 of the way down on this link: C:\My Documents\PICTURES\OTHER\MSNHotmail-Message.JPG

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:29 PM
wow nick!!! I only know all the capitals in Europe, and all the "famous" caps of countries outside..... lol...

What is the capital of Norway? :-P don't you dare say Copenhagen or something.....

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:30 PM
Hamster. i can't see that thing..... i think.....

nasty nick#2
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:31 PM
Easy,Oslo! it reminds me of the swedish word Ost= Cheese :-D

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:33 PM
Tromso? (Joke. I know it's realy Oslo!)

I post the wrong link. This is the right one: http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26712&perpage=40&pagenumber=114

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:33 PM
we say Ost here too Nick ;-) on nooo... don't think of ost when you hear oslo... :'(... lol Stockholm... that's a classy name! Oslo is from the Viking age..... lol.....

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:34 PM
your trip? *reads*

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:36 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARe you serious man??????????? wooooohooooo!!!!!! congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!! *kiss* *kiss* !!!!!!!!! Wow!!!!!! that's great!!!!!!1 :-D

gentenaire
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:45 PM
We had to learn all the countries in the world + capitals of the European countries. In previous years we would discuss the continents seperately, then we did have to learn all the capitals,mountains, rivers, etc. We had to be able to locate all 50 states of the USA, know what the region is known for (cattle, dairy production, wheat...)
And this was compulsory for everyone.

Lord Chips
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:49 PM
Thanks

griffin
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Stinger
lmao nick!!! imagine if they hit the wrong country... lol :-O


This would be funnier if it weren't actually a possibility.

gentenaire
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by griffin


This would be funnier if it weren't actually a possibility.

True, but I doubt they'd attack the former Swissoslovakia;) (or in Dahveed's case, Austroslovakia, or in Bush's case, Swissoslovenia)

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:52 PM
Tine - we had to do that too... I think i only got 37 states in US correctly.... :-o the main rivers were ok.. lakes too.. and mountains.... i had probs on the east coast... damn that stupid map...

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Beggin' Beguine


True, but I doubt they'd attack the former Swissoslovakia;) (or in Dahveed's case, Austroslovakia, or in Bush's case, Swissoslovenia)

lmfao!!!

gentenaire
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:56 PM
mountains on the East coast...Appalachen right?

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 20th, 2002, 03:58 PM
i still am clueless... lol the whole map thing was just some pop quiz... lol... the states on the east coast are hard too... so tiny and dense!!!

Messenger
Nov 20th, 2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Stinger
omg lmao!

let me post this one more time...........

Jesus, that's terrible. Unlucky for CNN that someone was taping it!

M2k
Nov 20th, 2002, 04:22 PM
Well, it wasn't always like that...I remember studying all continents, their countries, their capitals, and their rivers( I can say, with lots of pride, * smiles* that I had them by the time I was eight.

ttaM
Nov 20th, 2002, 04:58 PM
Geography was my favorite subject in elementary-junior high school. In 5th grade I named all the countries in the western hemisphere.

CHOCO
Nov 20th, 2002, 07:21 PM
I had a great geography teacher in the 8th grade from whom I learned so much about other countries. I owe him all the credit for starting me on the journey to appreciate other countries and cultures.

CHOCO
Nov 20th, 2002, 09:22 PM
:)

ClijstersHewitt
Nov 20th, 2002, 10:58 PM
How embarrassing. :o

How on earth can you possibly live in the US and not be able to locate one of the states? :rolleyes:

Most of the geography I learned was in my 10th grade geography class. We had to learn all the countries in all the continents (Africa gave me the most trouble) as well as the major cities, rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. I was surprised it was such a good class, as it was taught by one of the football coaches, who generally don't do jack shit if it doesn't benefit football or football players. :p But it turned out to be really educational.

Btw, Becs--I used to look at atlases for fun too. I used to like to plan out trips all over the world. I also used to read the dictionary a lot. :p

Kiwi_Boy
Nov 20th, 2002, 11:04 PM
Geography,my hidden tallent :o
i have a freaky tallent of knowing all the capitals of the world some how,plus lots of stuff about lots of places.....somehow :p

Hurley
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:04 AM
Becca and I have had this conversation before...I used to read atlases all the time when I was little....still do when one's laying around.

I was a NY state finalist in the 1993 National Geography Bee! *proud*

But no one teaches geography in American public schools. We learn some history, but even that gets the short shrift until you go to university, and only if you happen to major in it.

ClijstersHewitt
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:10 AM
Geography is required to graduate high school where I go to school. I'm assuming it's a Texas State law.

Richie77
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Stinger
omg lmao!

let me post this one more time...........

Oh, dear Lord!! :eek:

Marri, you'll love this - a few years ago, the Indianapolis newspaper (not the one I work for!), once had the following dateline: Oslo, SWEDEN !

Even recently, they've messed up. They once put "Alabama" on top of the state of "Georgia."

But here's the cake-taker:
A few months ago, there was a horrible mass shooting incident in the city of Goshen, Indiana, which is way up in the northern part of the state.
One of the cable networks identified it as being "80 miles west of Chicago, and 15 miles north of South Bend." Which means that Goshen would not only be located in Indiana, but also in Illinois and Michigan. :rolleyes:
And guess what the Indy newspaper said about Goshen's location the next day? :p

Hurley
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by ClijstersHewitt
Geography is required to graduate high school where I go to school. I'm assuming it's a Texas State law.

Certainly not a NY requirement, that's for sure.

Richie77
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
NOt surprising, but dissapointing.

I'm pretty sure that Canada's scores for these things aren't overly wonderful either, if I remember the last time I read up on standardized tests here.

When I was young I read atlases for kicks, and would have had no problem doing anything like that.

All kids should read atlases for kicks :p

I did, too, Rebecca! And I still do. Wow, here I thought I was the only one...

I remember when I was in junior high (between 12-14 years old), our geogrpahy/history teacher taught as all about the countries in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Of course there was some relevance to that, since that was right around the time the Berlin Wall came down and then the Gulf War started. But she made sure that we knew all about that area of the world. She didn't teach us the exact location of every single country, but if we ever needed to find one of them, we at least knew where to look.

What IS going on in some of these schools today? :confused"

evadafan
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:06 AM
Yeah I love geography and history!

I think this really shows that this is not a focus of US public schools. Also, the thing with the US, Canada, and Mexico is that we are a bit more isolated from the European and Asian nations being across the ocean. I think the Europeans learning the nations of Europe would be like Americans learning the 50 states. So obviously they should have a better feel for it. But still, it's no excuse for anyone.

And as to the military comment, I think those in the US military could easily point out Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

TeNnIsFaN
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:27 AM
Heh, I just made a B on my report card in World Geography..

CHOCO
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:39 AM
congrats tennisfan!!! (smile)

Hidden Stillness
Nov 21st, 2002, 06:10 AM
Hi CHOCO; another great thread. I have always loved geography too. It is such a weird, magical subject: a dreamy, mental travel all over the world; agriculture; sociology; urban planning; history; and maps, maps, maps. When I was a kid, I asked for a globe, and I would just stare at it, flip it around to different parts, and imagine being there. The only way to study something, is to love it and think that you were really just having fun the whole time.
I think there are many reasons why this is happening, and the decline of students' knowledge is not just about geography. With Republican cuts to all educational budgets ("subsidized curiosity," according to that Einstein, Ronald Reagan), corporate takeover of even curricula, and consequent stupifying, the mental effect of an increasingly visually hysterical media, etc., all this adds up to a lifetime of a total, anti-intellectual blank. The only good thing about the publicity about this study, is that it shows yet again that Americans, alone, criticize themselves honestly.
Also, by the way, I know all 13 Provinces of Canada: New Brunswick, Newfoundland (or Newfoundland+Labrador), Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, Saskachewan, Alberta, British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut (sp?).

disposablehero
Nov 21st, 2002, 06:19 AM
I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that 6 out of 7 DOLPHINS couldn't find Iraq on a map.

salima
Nov 21st, 2002, 08:15 AM
i like to read maps too, more details, more fun:)

But it is not allways easy. If you goes to the ITF site and ask for junior tournaments in 2003, you will find this adress to one tournament in February:

Haslevangen 33
Oslo
Finland


;)
BTW if someone is going to that tournament we might meet!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by IndyRichie


Oh, dear Lord!! :eek:

Marri, you'll love this - a few years ago, the Indianapolis newspaper (not the one I work for!), once had the following dateline: Oslo, SWEDEN !



Richie!!!!!!! :eek: omg lol! oslo sweden.... :o :mad: lol! i've even heard that ppl thought Scandinavia was a country..... :rolleyes:

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by evadafan
Yeah I love geography and history!

I think this really shows that this is not a focus of US public schools. Also, the thing with the US, Canada, and Mexico is that we are a bit more isolated from the European and Asian nations being across the ocean. I think the Europeans learning the nations of Europe would be like Americans learning the 50 states. So obviously they should have a better feel for it. But still, it's no excuse for anyone.

And as to the military comment, I think those in the US military could easily point out Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

Umm.... "we are a bit more isolated from the European and Asian nations being across the ocean"

You seriusly mean that?? lol! i know that you didn't mean it as an excuse... but to blame it on the ocean seperating American from Europe and Asia.... that's just :o

Here in Scandinavian (most european too) schools, we have to learn ALL your 50 states, and more. we don't complain, coz it's something everybody should know imo.

and Salima... nice adress you have there! Tror du folk finner frem?? ;)

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 11:54 AM
btw salima - you forgot the postnummer!!!! :p

Monique
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:06 PM
pfff, the Swedes got lucky the Belgians were not tested...:p ;)
*shame on the French* :rolleyes: :p

salima
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Stinger
btw salima - you forgot the postnummer!!!! :p

I will not give it, I have the same postnummer, you never know who´s gonna show up:(

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Hurley
Becca and I have had this conversation before...I used to read atlases all the time when I was little....still do when one's laying around.

I was a NY state finalist in the 1993 National Geography Bee! *proud*

Lol, when I read this post I thought I had written it. ;)

I participated in the Geo-Olympiade, a nation-wide geography test for last year students and I ended 5th. :D
Though I'm sure the 4 before me somehow cheated. :fiery:

GoDominique
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:35 PM
In Germany, geography knowledge is also very weak in general. You can see that in quiz shows often enough. :o

Problem is that geography is not enough teached in schools, when they teach it, it's often about some social and economical problems in Africa or South America or wherever, but not about finding countries/towns/rivers etc. on a map. That's probably too old-fashioned. :rolleyes:

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:36 PM
Wow, well done Josh! I never participated in the Geo-Olympiad, just the math-olympiad and made it to the final too. I didn't end 5th though. I felt very proud, there were only 3 girls in the final and more than 60 boys!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:40 PM
wow, we have many smart ppl here! ;)

we had a guy at school who participated in that Math Olympics.... we got so far that he went abroad to the international final.. no idea how it went there.

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique
Problem is that geography is not enough teached in schools, when they teach it, it's often about some social and economical problems in Africa or South America or wherever, but not about finding countries/towns/rivers etc. on a map. That's probably too old-fashioned. :rolleyes:

The thing is, we were never really taught about the rivers, mountains, etc. it was just something we were supposed to learn on our own. It would be silly to stand in front of a class room showing countries on a map. No time in our geo class was spent on these things. We were just told to take our own atlas and to study the countries, mountains, rivers, etc by heart by the following week. Then we'd get a test. That was it. In our geo lessons we'd learn more about the socio-economical aspects, we'd learn about how mountains are formed, wind, tides, moving continents, how to predict the weather, astronomy, geology etc.

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Stinger
wow, we have many smart ppl here! ;)

we had a guy at school who participated in that Math Olympics.... we got so far that he went abroad to the international final.. no idea how it went there.

If I'd ended in the top 3 in that final I would have gone to India. I'm not smart enough for that though.

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:47 PM
Well done Tine! You left the two other girls behind you right? ;)

Geography class was not really about getting to know all countries and their capitals and stuff, it was, like Tine said, more socio-economical aspects and also all Earth-related sciences.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 12:54 PM
josh and tine are right. i learned about most of the countries and capitals in geo classes when i was younger, but in high school, geo. class was about socio-economical aspects and stuff like that... and to know different kind of rocks....... :o

we learned about the contries/capitals/rivers/mountains etc. in history and language classes - kids here begin with English when they are 8 or something.... and after a couple of years, they move on to the geographical section that includes in the english courses. Later in high school, i took advanced english, and in that class, we had to know everything about english speaking countires.. their economy, social stats, their gouverment - all the usual themes that are required when you take a language class. i took french and german too....... but let's not talk about that.... :o

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Josh
Well done Tine! You left the two other girls behind you right? ;)



well, euh, I know one girl did better than me, the other about the same, I think. I still see the girl who did better than me every now and then. She was the only person I knew when I went to Uni here.


LOL Marri, we had to learn all those different rocks as well. There were tables at the back of the class packed with all sorts of rocks and fossiles and we had to identify them, say whether they were vulcanic rocks or ..don't know the English word for the other types, know a little about the composition (sand, chalk, 'veldspaat', mica, graphite, etc)

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:03 PM
What kind of test is the Maths-Olympiade anyway? Do you get theory questions as well as exercises? And is it about all kinds of maths : algebra, statistics, goniometrics,...?

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:07 PM
You don't get theory questions, just exercises. You're not supposed to know much theory for it, you won't get differentials or integrals or anything. You must know the basics of goniometrics though. They're more like riddles. In the first two rounds you'd get multiple choice questions, the final rounds was more about finding proofs.

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:12 PM
Interesting....sounds a bit like those IQ tests.

The Geo-test was questions about different things (climate, geology, countries, map scales, etc...). We could use an atlas though and for some questions it was necessary because they asked us to draw maps and then mark a given location using latitude/longitude.
The test was done at the KUL btw, in some old building.

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:12 PM
I found some examples at the Norwegian website

http://www.math.uio.no/abelkonkurransen/Oppg96/Andre.oppg.eng.html

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:15 PM
first round math olympiad was done at school, I think, second round was in Ghent at the RUG, final round was at the VUB.

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:16 PM
You're right, it is a bit like those IQ tests.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:16 PM
nice one Tine :D that is taken from my Uni :D UiO= University of Oslo ;)

my big brother showed me some 1st round excersices, i actually made some of them :)

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:17 PM
:eek:@those math questions!
Can you believe I've forgotten almost everything about maths since I'm going to uni? ;)

There was only one round for the Geo-Olympiade lol. I guess it was not as popular as the maths-Olympiade.

Giuliano
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:18 PM
Pfff Dahveed gives such a bad image of us :mad:. I'm actually quite good at geography. I beat people almost all the time in quizzes when it comes to geography :p
I've never heard of any geo olympiad in France. Does anyone know if it exists here (although I'm too old to participate)?

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Josh
:eek:@those math questions!
Can you believe I've forgotten almost everything about maths since I'm going to uni? ;)


Shame on you! But you don't need to know much math to be able to solve those questions, that's the point. Just know your basic stuff.

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:22 PM
I dunno about a Geo-Olympiad in Frnace but I suspect there is one, though it's not as big as the Science or Maths-Olympiad, it's also more recent.

Well I'm afraid I've forgotton all about the basics as well. :D

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Stinger
nice one Tine :D that is taken from my Uni :D UiO= University of Oslo ;)


I was trying to find some international results but couldn't find it. I checked how the Belgians fair internationally: lots of bronze medals, one silver, a few honourable mentions...

We used to get the same questions as the Americans, but it was changed the year I made it to the finals. The American questions were a lot easier, which meant that you needed to score about 145 on a scale of 150 in order to go through. The year I made it to the finals, the questions were a lot harder so that it would be easier to make the selections. I remember thinking after round 2 that I'd scored above average but not enough to go through. I still thought that I'd need 145 or so. Turned out that because the questions were so much harder, the cut-off point was lower so I was selected after all :D

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:26 PM
Surely you haven't forgotten 'de stelling van Pythagoras', Josh? :eek:

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:30 PM
Of course I have! It's something with triangles right?

BTW, I just read that there are now different rounds for the Geo-Olympiade and also an international test for the best of each country. I wish they did that when I took part. :sad:

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:31 PM
aw, poor Josh! But a 5th place wouldn't have allowed you to go abroad in any case. That's only for the top 3.

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:32 PM
But it would have allowed me to go to the next round and of course I would have ended first in the finals. :p

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:34 PM
Of course you would have ended first. Those 4 cheaters wouldn't have been able to cheat twice ;)

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:35 PM
Exactly! :D

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:36 PM
Why didn't you go on to study geo at Uni? You could have sat on your bum all day doing nothing!

Josh
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:38 PM
Well the problem is that they have many subjects I wasn't really interested in, like maths, geology, etc...

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:41 PM
I love math and geology :D
I love all sciences, can you tell? Math and chem were my fav. When we were doing geology in geo class, half of my class wanted to study geology at Uni! Most of them ended up doing bio engineering ;)

irma
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:45 PM
geography the most boring subject in school, but good when you suck in economics and are in need of a replacement:)

i-girl
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:47 PM
you two are so funny. you live in the same country, why aren't you meeting? *feeling in a romantic, and somewhat gossipy, mood today*

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by i-girl
you two are so funny. you live in the same country, why aren't you meeting? *feeling in a romantic, and somewhat gossipy, mood today*

most men don't like women who're smarter than them *cough*

* in a Gilderoy Lockhart mood today*

i-girl
Nov 21st, 2002, 01:58 PM
no, Josh is OK. trust me. if he was in Israel, I'd grab him! Josh, come here and say something to Tine, quit being a chicken!

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:01 PM
Maybe I could persuade him that HP is better than LoTR;)

i-girl
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:05 PM
ok, Josh is officially a chicken. I will never attempt to fix him up again. he is unworthy of the board women:rolleyes: .

i-girl
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:08 PM
I've had a crappy day with everything that's going on in my country, and all the people I know who got hurt in the bomb, and I'm trying to do something nice, and stupid Josh won't let me! give up Josh, I know what's good for you!

gentenaire
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:12 PM
I'm sorry to hear it, Noga.

i-girl
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:17 PM
ok, I'm seeing right through your lame attempt to change the subject. we're talking about you and Josh. I'm going to hit him if he doesn't show up.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:41 PM
you tell him girl! :o

sorry to hear about the situation noga. *hug*

i-girl
Nov 21st, 2002, 02:53 PM
thanks M :) .
I have to go now, if Josh comes around, tell him off for me, ok? he can go on and on about the geo-olympiad, but when it comes to important stuff, he's nowhere to be found:rolleyes: . (don't worry Joshi, I'll calm down over the weekend, and come back next week my usual self)

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 21st, 2002, 03:00 PM
but will we be safer with your usual self? :o ;) :kiss: have a nice weekend sweetie! :)

CHOCO
Nov 21st, 2002, 10:14 PM
:)

CHOCO
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:00 AM
:)

baleineau
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:21 AM
what's ridiculous is that the questions were multiple choice.

so, when asked to locate mexico on a map, the 50% of brits getting it wrong (even 1 in 20 mexicans got it wrong) must have chosen either Australia, Canada or Ecuador :rolleyes:

korben
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:44 AM
Here is part of the test 20 questions.
http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/

Got only 19 correct. Missed the religion question.

1. Which of the following ranges contains the correct population of the United States today?

25% Americans knew that.

3. The Taliban and al Qaeda movements were both based in which country?

Quite good results in this. All countries got over 50%

9. Pick the only two countries that have populations of over one billion people.

That looks to be tough one. 10% of Mexicans got it right.
25% of Americans,21% of Britons,Swedes best but only 61% of then knew that.

11. Location of The United States of America

21% (!) of Britons were unable to spot that. Close ally eh :D
12% of Germans and Italians
11% of Americans LOL
9% of Japanese
7% of Swedes
5% of Canadians and French
4% of Mexicans

12. Location of Russia

38% of Americans unable to find that
30% of Mexicans
24% of Britons
14% of Canadians
8% of Japanese
7% of Italians
6% of Germans and French
3% of Swedes

13. Location of Japan

58% of Americans unable to spot them
54% of Britons
48% of Mexicans
32% of Canadians
26% of French
23% of Germans
19% of Italians
15% of Swedes
2% of Japanese

14. Location of Mexico

49% of Britons unable to find that
45% of Japanese
29% of Germans and French
28% of Italians
20% of Americans
18% of Canadians
14% of Swedes
3% of Mexicans

15. Location of Italy

44% of Amerians unable to provide correct answer
26% of Mexicans
22% of Canadians
19% of Britons
16% of Japanese
7% of Germans
3% of Swedes and Italians
2% of French

16. Location of Sweden

93% of Mexicans didn´t knew that
84% of Americans
79% of Canadians
72% of Britons :confused:
67% of Japanese and French
54% of Italians
30% of Germans
3% of Swedes lol

gentenaire
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:14 AM
I answered all questions correctly. It's unbelievable that everyone answered the first question, which is about the USA, better than the Americans.

Sam L
Nov 22nd, 2002, 09:31 AM
Thanks for the link korben :) I got 20/20 hehe

It's scary, India now has over 1 billion too :sad:

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:06 PM
20/20 lmao that was easy! all those map questions.... :D wow, i only got a high school diploma (more will come.. lol) and i got 20/20 *proud*

seriously.... was that the survey??????? :o

Hidden Stillness
Nov 22nd, 2002, 05:35 PM
Well, here it is again: that terrible date.
Anyway, I also clicked on that link and took the quiz, and got all right (yay!); however, reading through the results by country (who got it right), something interesting struck me. I always get a kind of amused dread when reading things like this--I expect all the other countries to be like 80%, 90% correct, and us (Americans), to be floundering at the very bottom, with just enough brain power to process food, and maybe one other simple task. On many questions, though, Mexico was lower than we were! Thank God for Mexico; we don't hear enough about Mexico on this website. The more interesting thing, though, I think, was that some difficult questions got high percentages of correct answers from most countries, and actually reveals (if you can't guess) what the problem is. All nations got high-percent correct answers on: country where Taliban + Al Qaeda were based; the region that is the largest exporter of oil; region with the highest percentage of population infected with HIV; and the U.S. got a much higher percentage of correct answers than Sweden (!) to the question about the ocean-temperature changes causing weather changes (I actually got a chance to be shocked and appalled at the ignorance of Swedes on this question! Yeah!). The pattern, of course, is that the things that are covered heavily by media got very high right-answer responses on the quiz. When the media fucks around and does not fulfill its responsibility to teach (after these "free-market capitalists" get their broadcast licenses free from the govt., unlike every other kind of license), then there is ignorance. People ARE learning, but they are "learning" the selfish, stupid, greedy "entertainment" corporate arch-con crap of the media. The National Geographic website also mentioned that those who reported they had used the internet to research things and answer their own questions, generally got answers right, because answers were able to be found. Turn on TV, and when is it ever NOT simple, exploitive crap? This situation could easily be better than it is.

evadafan
Nov 23rd, 2002, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by Stinger


Umm.... "we are a bit more isolated from the European and Asian nations being across the ocean"

You seriusly mean that?? lol! i know that you didn't mean it as an excuse... but to blame it on the ocean seperating American from Europe and Asia.... that's just :o

Here in Scandinavian (most european too) schools, we have to learn ALL your 50 states, and more. we don't complain, coz it's something everybody should know imo.



I wasn't blaming the ocean for anything, but if you'll look at the results, Americans did do better at finding Mexico than many nations. I'm just adding it as another reason, again saying geography is obviously not enough of a focus in American schools.

And as for Swedish kids learning the 50 states, I think that shows a bit of the success of the US. You don't see any other country learning that much about Sweden do you? Do Swedish kids learn the divisions of all the other countries?

This is my point, it's a lot easier for a Maryland kid to point out Delaware than for a Swedish child, and a lot easier for a Swedish child to point Denmark than for a Maryland child.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 23rd, 2002, 02:32 AM
I answered them all right as well, and am still trying to figure out how some people don't know where the pacific ocean is.

I mean..seriously :rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Nov 23rd, 2002, 02:33 AM
evadafan - your point about the US's success leading to more countries being required to learn about them..well it holds some water.

But it is worth noting that the only time in my life I have ever had to learn about US states and be tested on them was when I voluntarily took US History.

baleineau
Nov 23rd, 2002, 03:01 AM
the crime lies more with the fact that the map questions were multiple choice, with about 5 options. it's not as if you had to know where Russia is. You simply had to avoid confusing it with Australia and Poland and whatever other countries were posing as russia. :rolleyes:

i got 20 as well, but then i am doing a doctorate in geography LOL

2284
Nov 23rd, 2002, 05:25 AM
I don't think Australians were involved in the survey, but just for the record, I've had too much to drink and I still got 20

Crazy Canuck
Nov 23rd, 2002, 05:56 AM
What really concerns me is those who can't even find their own country on a map - ESPECIALLY considering the fact that they dont even have to know where it is exactly, just eliminate options.

As already covered ;)

2284
Nov 23rd, 2002, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
What really concerns me is those who can't even find their own country on a map - ESPECIALLY considering the fact that they dont even have to know where it is exactly, just eliminate options.

As already covered ;)

Yes, very worrying:eek:
It makes me wonder how many people took the survey seriously

Candy946
Nov 23rd, 2002, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
When I was young I read atlases for kicks, and would have had no problem doing anything like that.

All kids should read atlases for kicks :p
Me too, and I still read it for fun, especially when I'm bored or on the road.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Nov 23rd, 2002, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by evadafan


I wasn't blaming the ocean for anything, but if you'll look at the results, Americans did do better at finding Mexico than many nations. I'm just adding it as another reason, again saying geography is obviously not enough of a focus in American schools.

And as for Swedish kids learning the 50 states, I think that shows a bit of the success of the US. You don't see any other country learning that much about Sweden do you? Do Swedish kids learn the divisions of all the other countries?

This is my point, it's a lot easier for a Maryland kid to point out Delaware than for a Swedish child, and a lot easier for a Swedish child to point Denmark than for a Maryland child.

what's all this "swedish kids" stuff?? :confused: im not swedish. lmao.

What i was saying was, i think it's weird that many countries (incl. US) don't have the knowledge as many let's say European countries. The world map is something we all should know about. The biggest oceans are also we all should know about. We had to learn about all the continents when we were using the atlas. So yeah, many of us (scandinavians) can point out where US, Canada, Mexico, and many countries in south america too. And I guess you americans can do that do, since it's your own continent. And we had to memorise countries in each continent. I have no idea whether you only learn about america only, or the rest of the world too. it was just so surprising to find out that there were many important countries so many didn't know the location to.

Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against americans, i have many relatives and friends in US. I just think that a mighty country like US should be better when it comes to international issues.