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TheHangover
Apr 19th, 2012, 12:08 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-18/king-s-elephant-hunt-is-disgrace-to-humanity-commentary

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131974/In-Spain-Queens-Calls-King-Juan-Carlos-74-abdicate-rumours-controversial-elephant-hunt-47-year-old-lover.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

:( Are you serious? Are we back in 1912 or it's still 2012? This is a disgusting thing! i think useless royal families all over the world should go to hell, i'm surpiesed of their subjects that still pay their bills and "royal" expensive traditions

*JR*
Apr 19th, 2012, 12:52 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-18/king-s-elephant-hunt-is-disgrace-to-humanity-commentary

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131974/In-Spain-Queens-Calls-King-Juan-Carlos-74-abdicate-rumours-controversial-elephant-hunt-47-year-old-lover.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

:( Are you serious? Are we back in 1912 or it's still 2012? This is a disgusting thing! i think useless royal families all over the world should go to hell, i'm surpiesed of their subjects that still pay their bills and "royal" expensive traditions

Off with their heads (including the Bloody Brits) :rocker:

http://www.sistersofstjoseph.org.uk/img/guillotine.jpg

Sammo
Apr 19th, 2012, 01:46 PM
As a Spaniard myself, fuck you JC.

galadriel
Apr 19th, 2012, 03:18 PM
I have no words :fiery::fiery:

Novichok
Apr 19th, 2012, 03:20 PM
Disgusting.

pov
Apr 19th, 2012, 04:38 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-18/king-s-elephant-hunt-is-disgrace-to-humanity-commentary

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131974/In-Spain-Queens-Calls-King-Juan-Carlos-74-abdicate-rumours-controversial-elephant-hunt-47-year-old-lover.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

:( Are you serious? Are we back in 1912 or it's still 2012? This is a disgusting thing! i think useless royal families all over the world should go to hell, i'm surpiesed of their subjects that still pay their bills and "royal" expensive traditions

- In some ways I prefer traditional "royal families" to crappy governments and systems that dupe people. For one thing, in their heyday, they were a lot more interesting than most politicians.

- Hunting elephants for no reason is something that I think sucks - to put it very mildly. Yet many of us feast on the meat of cows that are raised and killed in the most brutal way without a second thought.

Nicolás89
Apr 19th, 2012, 05:05 PM
Outrageous & sick. What I find just as sickening though is that some people are criticizing him for spending money vainly in difficult times instead of criticizing him for killing animals for sport. :help:

antonella
Apr 19th, 2012, 05:32 PM
Why would anybody want to shoot an elephant?

Mistress of Evil
Apr 19th, 2012, 06:16 PM
Cringeworthy. Pathetic granny-douchebag!

TheHangover
Apr 19th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Outrageous & sick. What I find just as sickening though is that some people are criticizing him for spending money vainly in difficult times instead of criticizing him for killing animals for sport. :help:

obviously i'm criticizing him for killing animals and in particular those animals. there are rangers in parks fighting against poachers every day to save certain types of animals from extinction, animals that were on the edge of extinction like elephants just 30 years ago, or that are still at risk and than arrives an idiot that pretend to kill animals and is also proud and take pictures with his kills. Then somebody should tell me what's the satisfaction that killing an elephant can give, i mean it's slow and big as an house, what that idiot should be proud of, not that he took the elephand down with his own hands!

*JR*
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Francisco Franco designated Juan Carlos 2B the king after he died (which he did in 1976). Maybe now the Spaniards should ovathrow this SOB and make Franco's hot great-granddaughter Cynthia Rossi :hearts: the new monarch.

http://estaticos02.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/fotos_gente/2006/12/28/1167312234_extras_fotos_gente_0.jpg

tennisbum79
Apr 19th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Why would anybody want to shoot an elephant?
These days, royals are bored.
No more gladiators fight to the death
No public execution just for the pleasure of it
No more more fight to the death between gladiator and lion just for the enojoyment of the royals.
Royals are no longer involved in the day-to-day running of their country's affair.


So what to do all this time?
Got to Africa and kill defenseless animals and call it a game.
I am almost sure, these elephants were in a control area where they have become acustomed to be safe.

The environmentalist in Prince Charles does not appreciate this sort of hobbies, can we organize a duel between the 2?

Halardfan
Apr 19th, 2012, 09:58 PM
Off with their heads (including the Bloody Brits) :rocker:

http://www.sistersofstjoseph.org.uk/img/guillotine.jpg

Numerous countries still have a royal family, why single out "the Bloody Brits" again? Pick on the Dutch for a change! Goodness knows they have an history in your beloved Ireland too...

tennisbum79
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:03 PM
Numerous countries still have a royal family, why single out "the Bloody Brits" again? Pick on the Dutch for a change! Goodness knows they have an history in your beloved Ireland too...
They are the most known

Halardfan
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:28 PM
They are the most known

Maybe so, but that isn't JR's reason...the frequent use of the term "Bloody Brits" is a clue.

spiceboy
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:34 PM
Francisco Franco designated Juan Carlos 2B the king after he died (which he did in 1976). Maybe now the Spaniards should ovathrow this SOB and make Franco's hot great-granddaughter Cynthia Rossi :hearts: the new monarch.

http://estaticos02.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/fotos_gente/2006/12/28/1167312234_extras_fotos_gente_0.jpg

Do you honestly think she is THAT hot? :facepalm:

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/corazon/20050527/11/3679239580.jpg

*JR*
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:36 PM
Numerous countries still have a royal family, why single out "the Bloody Brits" again? Pick on the Dutch for a change! Goodness knows they have an history in your beloved Ireland too...

OK, "the Queen Bea" should abdicate too. ;)

http://akorra.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/beatrix-of-the-netherlands.jpg



Do you honestly think she is THAT hot? :facepalm:

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/corazon/20050527/11/3679239580.jpg

Cynthia may not be as hot as La Bella Alessandra (Mussolini) of ITA was @ her age, but she's DD (Definitely Doable). :drool:

Sean.
Apr 19th, 2012, 11:41 PM
Before people jump on this, perhaps they should research things a bit more. This is a typical case of media spin.

The practice of 'hunting' is not actually as bad as it may first appear. Parts of Africa (including Botswana) have actually become overpopulated by Elephants, and the local ecosystem cannot support them. If population levels are left they destroy national parks and nature reserves.

By allowing hunters to 'cull' selected old bulls (who are past their prime) the authorities can control population numbers - and gain a source of revenue too. In order get a permit to shoot an Elephant you have to pay a hell of a lot of money (we're talking tens of thousands). This money goes back to the park to fund further conservation. In this way 'hunting' has contributed far more to the wildlife conservation than many 'eco-charities'.

I don't understand 'hunters' and how anyone could shoot an animal for fun, but legal 'hunting' is actually a good thing.

Blu€
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:29 AM
By allowing hunters to 'cull' selected old bulls (who are past their prime) the authorities can control population numbers - and gain a source of revenue too. In order get a permit to shoot an Elephant you have to pay a hell of a lot of money (we're talking tens of thousands). This money goes back to the park to fund further conservation. In this way 'hunting' has contributed far more to the wildlife conservation than many 'eco-charities'.


Do you really believe this? I don't know why but I have a hard time believing that they are using this money to preserve wildlife, parks...
Ivory trade has certainly something to do.

And I don't agree on media spin on this subject. A few months ago he was telling on TV how he could barely sleep because of the uneployment rates in Spain and since then... the royal family has been in one mess after another. First his son in law and his daughter, who people seem to think is dumb enough not to know what her husband was doing for years, yeah right!, and this week we learn that his grandson has shot himself playing with guns and that himself was shooting elephants in Botwsana in some luxurious resort which ended with him in the hospital because he can barely walk and he cracked his hip. Kharma most say. Of course he didn't inform of this trip and tried to censore all pictures.

tennisbum79
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:33 AM
Maybe so, but that isn't JR's reason...the frequent use of the term "Bloody Brits" is a clue.

JR is JR

BTW, what is the clue?...Bloody Sunday?

tennisbum79
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:42 AM
Before people jump on this, perhaps they should research things a bit more. This is a typical case of media spin.

The practice of 'hunting' is not actually as bad as it may first appear. Parts of Africa (including Botswana) have actually become overpopulated by Elephants, and the local ecosystem cannot support them. If population levels are left they destroy national parks and nature reserves.

By allowing hunters to 'cull' selected old bulls (who are past their prime) the authorities can control population numbers - and gain a source of revenue too. In order get a permit to shoot an Elephant you have to pay a hell of a lot of money (we're talking tens of thousands). This money goes back to the park to fund further conservation. In this way 'hunting' has contributed far more to the wildlife conservation than many 'eco-charities'.

I don't understand 'hunters' and how anyone could shoot an animal for fun, but legal 'hunting' is actually a good thing.
You will have trouble convincing me and others with that old excuse rich people use when caught


Here are 2 other guilt-free excuses
1) They give the meat to local to feed themselves - Who not let local people do their own hunting then, they have more skills than the rich tourist
2) Game hunter spend money that is infused in local economy to build schools and hospitals (yes, always schools and hospitals, even is there is no evidence)

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Halardfan
Apr 20th, 2012, 01:12 AM
JR is JR

BTW, what is the clue?...Bloody Sunday?

It's more straightforward than that, simply I'm suggesting that JR's aside about the "Bloody Brits" reflecting a generally anti-British point of view. Which is why he mentioned it.

As to the terms Bloody Brits, you may be right, but also it maybe simply the use of the word Bloody in the British English sense...i.e

"My bloody car won't start!"

"This bloody referee is an idiot!"

"That is bloody typical!"

In that context it's is a mild swear word...it's not as commonly used these days as it once was, as people tend to use stronger words like the F-Word in it's place.

Halardfan
Apr 20th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Apologies for going off topic.

To the matter at hand, it was an appaling thing to do, especially for someone who fancies himself as a champion of wildlife.

Prince Charles is not immune, styling himself as an animal loving environmentalist, while he is at the same time a feverent supporter of Fox hunting.

donellcarey
Apr 20th, 2012, 01:20 AM
I thought he was a good king...still remember 3 years ago, National Day in Madrid, military ceremony, ppl were holding "Larga Vida al Rey (Long Live the King)" flag all over the crowd...


BTW: An Italian opens up a thread accusing a Spaniard, that sounds familiar :oh: (just kidding)

Sean.
Apr 20th, 2012, 01:36 AM
Do you really believe this? I don't know why but I have a hard time believing that they are using this money to preserve wildlife, parks...
Ivory trade has certainly something to do.

And I don't agree on media spin on this subject. A few months ago he was telling on TV how he could barely sleep because of the uneployment rates in Spain and since then... the royal family has been in one mess after another. First his son in law and his daughter, who people seem to think is dumb enough not to know what her husband was doing for years, yeah right!, and this week we learn that his grandson has shot himself playing with guns and that himself was shooting elephants in Botwsana in some luxurious resort which ended with him in the hospital because he can barely walk and he cracked his hip. Kharma most say. Of course he didn't inform of this trip and tried to censore all pictures.

Yes, I believe it. In fact, I know it to be true. I worked on a reserve very much like the one mentioned in the article this summer. The Ivory wont be sold, the hunter will want the head as a mounted trophy to hang in their house (grotesque I know, but each to their own).

At the place I worked in the hunters paid shit loads (ridiculous amounts) to come shoot the old, lone (past their prime) bull elephant, buffalo, wildebeest, zebra etc., that would soon die of natural causes (i.e. starvation) otherwise. This money was then put into running a predator reserve for leopard, cheetah, lion, etc. and a breeding programme for endangered Sable antelope.
They also employed many people from the surrounding villages (who had previously been poachers) to be guides, chefs, etc.. So yes, it is true.

As for the rest, I'm not defending the King. Spending that much public money and deceiving his citizens, that's wrong - but not the hunting.

tennisbum79
Apr 20th, 2012, 01:42 AM
It's more straightforward than that, simply I'm suggesting that JR's aside about the "Bloody Brits" reflecting a generally anti-British point of view. Which is why he mentioned it.

As to the terms Bloody Brits, you may be right, but also it maybe simply the use of the word Bloody in the British English sense...i.e

"My bloody car won't start!"

"This bloody referee is an idiot!"

"That is bloody typical!"

In that context it's is a mild swear word...it's not as commonly used these days as it once was, as people tend to use stronger words like the F-Word in it's place.

OK, I mentioned Bloody Sunday because you alluded to Ireland in your post.


Frankly, as t the other "bloody" expressions in you post, they seem so mild, I wouldn't take offense.
But maybe, just maybe because I am not a Brit, and don't the full historical context of it.

Halardfan
Apr 20th, 2012, 02:21 AM
OK, I mentioned Bloody Sunday because you alluded to Ireland in your post.


Frankly, as t the other "bloody" expressions in you post, they seem so mild, I wouldn't take offense.
But maybe, just maybe because I am not a Brit, and don't the full historical context of it.

It's the tip of the iceberg...

On some topics I have a similar outlook to JR and think he at his best he can be perceptive, and insightful... :)

But he has a blind spot regarding Britain. I think he is often plain wrong about my country. So as a stubborn "Bloody Brit" I need to stand up for my country, at least sometimes. ;)

wta_zuperfann
Apr 20th, 2012, 02:47 AM
Off with their heads


Good idea. The SOB cooperated with fascist dictator Franco and was implicated in the death of his brother Alfonso. He is nothing more than an ambitious sycophant and butt wiper who deserves the guillotine.

Blu€
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:10 PM
Yes, I believe it. In fact, I know it to be true. I worked on a reserve very much like the one mentioned in the article this summer.

That's very well and it gives you a good perspective, but unless you were running the whole business you don't really know where the money is going. Anyway, I think there is definitely truth in what you are saying but I don't buy that they are using all the money for "good" purposes or that they only hunt animals that are dying.

Sean.
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:26 PM
That's very well and it gives you a good perspective, but unless you were running the whole business you don't really know where the money is going. Anyway, I think there is definitely truth in what you are saying but I don't buy that they are using all the money for "good" purposes or that they only hunt animals that are dying.

Ok, what are you basing your claims on then, other than unfounded assumptions?

Firstly, of course some of the money will go to the park owners etc., it's a business and they are entitled to their cut., they're not altruists. It just so happens that promoting conservation also happens to be in their interest.

Secondly, when you get a permit to shoot a trophy animal, you get a permit for a specific animal, your guides will know which animal that is. It's a criminal offence, and a very serious one at that, to shoot an animal that you don't have a permit for. The park owners will enforce this very strictly, as a herd male, or breeding female is worth far more to them alive than dead.

I think what you're not understanding is how formalised hunting is nowadays. You don't just go into the bush with a gun & shoot anything you see, you apply to the government for a permit, you then go to a privately owned park, the animal is selected for you, you're told where abouts the animal is (but you have to find it yourself), you pay for the permit, you pay for the shooting rights & lodging in the park, and (if you're successful) you pay for your trophy at the end of the hunt. The whole thing is very civilised, apart from the whole killing aspect. :lol:

Blu€
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:43 PM
Ok, what are you basing your claims on then, other than unfounded assumptions?

I think what you're not understanding is how formalised hunting is nowadays.

Common sense basically.
It may be very well formalised but at the end of the day money is all that matters. I doubt anyone is going to object to some sheik or king wanting to shoot whatever they want, especially in countries were democracy and human rights are lacking.

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree.

*JR*
Apr 20th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Off with their heads


And not just the so-called "royals". :spit: "Bush's Poodle" (Tony the Pussycat) Blair is a real war criminal. Naive Chris (Halardfan) once posted about his native country: "We punch above our weight".

Problem is that the Bloody Brits were thus fucking enablers regarding the Iraq quagmire. :fiery: The French were the real US allies then, because they told Uncle Sam what he needed to hear, not what he wanted to.


FCttBBWbiG0

Halardfan
Apr 20th, 2012, 02:52 PM
And not just the so-called "royals". :spit: "Bush's Poodle" (Tony the Pussycat) Blair is a real war criminal. Naive Chris (Halardfan) once posted about his native country: "We punch above our weight".

Problem is that the Bloody Brits were thus fucking enablers regarding the Iraq quagmire. :fiery: The French were the real US allies then, because they told Uncle Sam what he needed to hear, not what he wanted to.


FCttBBWbiG0

I don't want to derail the thread any further. Suffice to say that some of what you said is true. But look at the actions of your fondly regarded IRA and think what was worthy punishment for their vile crimes.

spiceboy
Apr 20th, 2012, 04:56 PM
I thought he was a good king...still remember 3 years ago, National Day in Madrid, military ceremony, ppl were holding "Larga Vida al Rey (Long Live the King)" flag all over the crowd...


LOL obviously everyone attending that military ceremony are people who love their king :lol:

Mixal
Apr 20th, 2012, 07:08 PM
My minor experience and some research tell me that Sean is right.

However, I still disagree with shooting elephants since they are classified as Vulnerable according to the Red List. It would be better if they movie them to different areas. I also don't understand how can someone take a pleasure from shooting an animal you are supposed to shoot. It's all set up. Like, where is the excitement?

There was a debate at the beginning of this year about giving permission to hunt white rhinos is South Africa. You pay, you kill them (again, what's the fun in that?) and they use the money for conservation, mostly for fighting against poaching. It kinda makes sense, but I don't know...

TheHangover
Apr 20th, 2012, 10:59 PM
I thought he was a good king...still remember 3 years ago, National Day in Madrid, military ceremony, ppl were holding "Larga Vida al Rey (Long Live the King)" flag all over the crowd...


BTW: An Italian opens up a thread accusing a Spaniard, that sounds familiar :oh: (just kidding)

:confused: i don't get it! can you explain to me?
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btw you are right, any occasion is good to accuse a spaniard :oh:

Milito22
Apr 21st, 2012, 01:24 AM
coward :facepalm: