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Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 04:28 PM
Whohoooo only 17 more days to go!
I'll probably get spanked again by the black piet because i've been a naughty girl this year :o

Sinterklaas The Story

According to legend, The Holly Nicolas was from the region Lycie in Azia, where he was born in the second half of the third century.

After his Uncle died he succeded him as bishop of Myra in Turkey.

The popularity of Nicolas Bishop of Myra is mainly because of all the miracles they say he created and all the good work he did with and for the children of Myra.

He died December 6th 342

His popularity shifted from East to west Europe around 1050.

And the first chapel dedicated to Bishop Nicolas of Myra was built in Nimwegen, many would follow.

As a miracle worker and protector of people in need and thanks to pilgrims and the crusades Nicolas was loved by all and mostly as protector of the sailors, merchants and coachman.

Goed-Heilig-man(Good-Holly-man) as he was called here for many years actually was a wrong pronounciation of the word Goed-Huwelijks-man wich means Good Marrige Man, for Lovers could count on his help to arrange a good marriage everywhere.

In the middleages there where many feasts to celebrate children and de demons of the dark, (winterfeasts) one of which our christmas tree came from.

And in The netherlands Sinterklaas is a combination of these before christmas legends.



Sinterklaas in 2002

Now days, Sinterklaas is a feast that starts arround the middle of November, when Sinterklaas arrives in The Netherlands by Steamer from his place of residence in Spain.

As he really is from Myra in Turkey this sounds strange, but in the middle ages all ships with riches and goody's came from spain, therefor, Sinterklaas is now resident of spain to the Dutch Children of today.

(this year 16 November) From his arrival on, every night children wil place there shoe next to the fireplace and sing him a song, hoping for sweets and or presents to be found in there shoe the next morning.

Sinterklaas does not come alone, he brings his staff, they are called black Pieten and there are a few diffrent legents on the (zwarte piet) black Piet story, but the most common is from one of the middleage feasts that children dressed as black devils would accompany the child bishop on his parade through the streets.



The placing of the shoe and eating sweets like Chocolate money, chocolate letters, Speculaas and Pepernoten, candy and marsepane will be done every night until the 5th of December, when there is a knock on every door where children live and a sack full of toy's and goody's will be left there by either Black Piet or Siterklaas.

Some are even very Lucky and then Sinterklaas and his Piet will visit them on the 5th of December to.

Then Sinterklaas or Bisshop Nicolaas will return to Spain and the goody's he has left us, will have to be eaten before christmas comes along.

Sinterklaas alway's carry's a big book, according to legend in there is written who is good and who is bad.

In the old day's the story would read; if you are really bad, in that book, Piet will put you in that sack in which he brings the goody's and take you to Spain. But we don't do that any more.

Sinterklaas also brings his trusty white stalion with whome he walks along the rooftops at night so the legent goes to bring all the goodys and Black piet will go down the chimney and drop them in the shoes of the children that put them next to the fireplace.

This is where one of the other legends on Black Piet comes in, Black Piet not really being black but just a trusty servant that gets very black because of the soot in the the chimney

So from november 16th 2002 untill December 5th 2002 you will see children in every house in The Netherlands placing there shoe next to the fireplace, (or backdoor if there is no fireplace), every night they will put some water, some sugar or carrot for the horse next to it and sing a Sinterklaas-song.

http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~gogh/sint7.jpg

http://www.omroep.nl/nos/nieuws/images/binnenland/165/sinterklaas_pieten.jpg

http://www.omroep.nl/nos/nieuws/images/binnenland/165/sinterklaas_zaltbommel.jpg

gentenaire
Nov 18th, 2002, 04:46 PM
The Netherlands should be expanded to "The Netherlands + Belgium". We celebrate Sinterklaas too, you know.

I can't wait!

irma
Nov 18th, 2002, 04:48 PM
marsepein
:lick:

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 04:51 PM
Tine are we the only two countries who celebrate it?

Zamboni
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:04 PM
Sinterklaas!!! :bounce:

My favourite time of the year ;) Really, I love this, just to see the excitement of the kids ;)

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:12 PM
Well if you think about it it's all a big lie :o

gentenaire
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Poofy
Well if you think about it it's all a big lie :o

noooooooooooooooooo

E. Blackadder
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:29 PM
"You're a dirty old man,
you can't keep your hands to yourself..." :p

irma
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:34 PM
sinterklaas isn't real?

what crap is that :( ;)

Zamboni
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:46 PM
Hehe, my dad calls it "de nationale voordegekhouderij" ;) But it's so nice!

Flappie
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:56 PM
Belgians know Sinterklaas too? what a surprise! :D

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 05:57 PM
Haha your dad is funny Linda!!!But it is a BIG lie and i don't know if i'll have children that i will tell them this lie too

Zamboni
Nov 18th, 2002, 06:59 PM
lol, well, I would tell this to my children definitely! It's just such a nice "party"! :) Some children (like my sis) are really mad when their parents tell them it's a lie, cos they taught them not to lie, and now they're doing it theirselves! hehe

'btw, yeah, my dad is funny sometimes, and Belgians celebrate Sinterklaas on december 6th, so it's not at the same day :)

gentenaire
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:03 PM
Considering Sinterklaas died on December 6th, it makes more sense to celebrate Sinterklaas on that day :p ;)

Josh
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:05 PM
Oooo Sinterklaas! :bounce:

Mmmmmmm chocolate! :D
Mmmmmmm mandarins! :D

Zamboni
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:05 PM
Probably ;) But I dunno why we celebrate it the 5th really :rolleyes: It's just a tradition ;)

Maybe we can call it 1st and 2nd Sinterklaas day?;) :cool:

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:25 PM
haha You have sinterklaas on 6 december in Belgium?

irma
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:33 PM
we celebrate it on his birthday wich is the fifth!
his death was the sixth

but we sing: sinterklaas is jarig, zet je schoentje klaar

so our day is logic!;-)

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:35 PM
Your right Irma!!!!! Stupid belgians lol celebrating the death pfffff :p

Josh
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:38 PM
Scary! So we actually get our candy and presents from a zombie? :eek:

Let's move it to the 5th!

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:46 PM
lmao you're getting candy and presents from a ghost

Maajken
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:47 PM
We're just a morbid kinda people http://www.smilies.nl/rough/crucified.gif

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:48 PM
omg lmao!!

irma
Nov 18th, 2002, 07:58 PM
zie ginds komt de stoomboot uit spanje weer aan. hij brengt ons sint nikolaas die heen is gegaan. hoe huppelt het paardje het dek op en neer, maar zonder sint nikolaas want die is niet meer.

I guess that's how the belgian song goes;-)

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 08:03 PM
daar word aan de deur geklopt hard geklopt zacht geklopt daar word aan de deur geklopt wie zal het zijn?
wees maar gerust mijn kind ik ben een klopgeest en niet de sint want die is al lang dood!!! nog een belgisch sinterklaas liedje

Josh
Nov 18th, 2002, 08:04 PM
:D

We just celebrate Halloween all the way till Christmas. ;)

Maajken
Nov 18th, 2002, 08:09 PM
Yeah and we celebrate christmas as the death of jesus too..

Martian Mel
Nov 18th, 2002, 08:12 PM
yeah we too but you can't compare jesus with sinterklaas :o

Maajken
Nov 18th, 2002, 08:15 PM
i know, sinterklaas is way out of jesus' league :o

pfffft die on a cross and then rise from the dead..nice try jesus!

Fieke
Nov 18th, 2002, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Poofy
Tine are we the only two countries who celebrate it?

I'm not Tine, but I'll answer anyway :)

Until very recently I thought we were the only two countries but this year my German house mate told me they celebrate it in Germany as well. But I understood it is different there, e.g. they don't have 'zwarte piet' and apparently they only get sweets and chocolate, not toys like we do.

Martian Mel
Nov 19th, 2002, 06:25 AM
Thanks for the explanation Fieke!Well i like it better here then!

Chris
Nov 19th, 2002, 10:25 AM
lmao, yes Mel, you will probably get spanked :D

Poe
Nov 19th, 2002, 10:41 AM
i remember a couple of years ago Josh telling me about his belgian version of santa clause that had a black child slave who put bad kids in a sac and took them away

i thought it was a morbid joke.. imagine my horror to find out it was true :-p

gentenaire
Nov 19th, 2002, 10:42 AM
Black petes are black because of the soot! The black comes off, you know;)

Poe
Nov 19th, 2002, 10:43 AM
suuuuure ;-)

gentenaire
Nov 19th, 2002, 10:45 AM
Hey, the black Peters would always follow me and the other children and we'd always end up with black stripes on our faces.

DutchieGirl
Nov 19th, 2002, 11:34 AM
HMPF! I want sinterklaas too! *sad* *cries*

Zamboni
Nov 19th, 2002, 11:36 AM
lmao at irma and mel and your sinterklaas songs! I'm really roflol! :D

Martian Mel
Nov 19th, 2002, 05:57 PM
Awww Sarah i will dress up like sinterklaas at the aussie open and give you some candy ok? *wink*

Belgium = Best
Nov 30th, 2002, 01:21 PM
Ik weet niet wat ik kan vragen aan Sinterklaas :o
Help mij!

Suggesties?

Ik ben 12 jaar :)

Mercury Rising
Nov 30th, 2002, 02:24 PM
There's sooooo much you can ask! I would probably ask CD's or a DVD-player or books or a barbie-doll...

Zamboni
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:14 PM
I finished my surprise today :bounce: (with quite some help, but it still looks nice :))

irma
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:22 PM
heerlijk avondje is gekomen en ik moet naar college :rolleyes:

zijn daar geen regels voor?

~*Alma*~
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:25 PM
sinterklaas! Daar heb ik ook echt zin in!! :D
moet alleen mn surprise en gedicht nog afmaken :o

weet iemand wie sinterklaas is die altijd op tv komt? :o

irma
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:27 PM
bram v/d vlught

hij speelde ook in medisch centrum west

Zamboni
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:28 PM
irma, kben bang dat t geen nationale feestdag is, nee ;)
Mag je ook niet vrijdagochtend met je cadeautjes spelen? (1e 2 uur vrij ;)) :angel:

Alma, geen idee :( Hij kwam me wel bekend voor dit jaar...En die Pieten ook!

Zamboni
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:29 PM
ah bedankt irma :)

weet je ook wie de pieten waren? iig de wegwijspieten en opperpiet waren bekend!

irma
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:32 PM
de wegwijspiet was altijd mario uit spijkerhoek.
ludo uit gtst misschien?

ik heb het dit jaar niet gezien.

Zamboni
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:36 PM
neee ludo was r dit jaar niet (vorig jaar ook al niet trouwens)

Zamboni
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:36 PM
en spijkerhoek is voor mijn tijd he ;)

~*Alma*~
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:37 PM
neej de wegwijspiet in johnny kraaikamp junior

~*Alma*~
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:38 PM
nee de wegwijspiet is johnny Kraaikamp junior ;)

~*Alma*~
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:38 PM
oeps 2 keer :o

~*Alma*~
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:40 PM
heb je een plaatje van bram? kan ik kijken of ik daar sinterklaas in zie ;) :o

irma
Nov 30th, 2002, 03:42 PM
oh ja ik ben oud :sad: ;)

ik heb niet gekeken, want wat moeten we zonder aart die was er al toen ik nog een klein Irmaatje was;)

Brαm
Nov 30th, 2002, 07:13 PM
Sinterklaas = Bram?? :eek: :eek: :eek: ;)

DutchieGirl
Nov 30th, 2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Poofy
Awww Sarah i will dress up like sinterklaas at the aussie open and give you some candy ok? *wink*

yay! :bounce:

But does that mean I have to make you a surprise? ;)

DutchieGirl
Nov 30th, 2002, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by bram_born84
Sinterklaas = Bram?? :eek: :eek: :eek: ;)

lol Bram, je bent oud! :p You must have aged alot since August! ;)