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Noctis
Feb 24th, 2012, 06:51 PM
http://www.seoghoer.dk/~/media/Se%20og%20Hoer/Kendte%20Danmark/Piotr3%20jpg.ashx?w=300

another classy speech of mr Wozniacki :facepalm:

- you're not thinking at all
- you're standing like a piece of meat
- do not discuss with me
- ending this with: this is pathetic, fuck.

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 06:53 PM
Not long

Mary Cherry.
Feb 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
Hope: Soon
Think: Forever and ever.

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:02 PM
Perfect opportunity for dictators to impose/assert their power and control.
State of disorder, panic, anarchy, lack of clear direction, low moral

Brad[le]y.
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Piotler? :sobbing:

the ironic thing is that he's Polish :sobbing:

Steven.
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:07 PM
Piotler? :sobbing:

the ironic thing is that he's Polish :sobbing:

It's funny cause that wouldn't really be ironic cause Hitler was a hypocrite anyway. :p

aselto
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Piotler? :sobbing:

the ironic thing is that he's Polish :sobbing:
You've got it wrong, it's not Piotler but one of the following:
Piotrollini
Mao Piotrong
Piotlin
Piot Piot
Still not sure which one exactly.

AcesHigh
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:16 PM
He really is disgusting. I wish he would go away

Jimmie48
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:19 PM
I know you guys are having fun with this but the whole situation makes me terribly sad. I wish for nothing more than that she finally finds the courage for change. She was almost there last summer...:sad:

Patrick345
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:21 PM
You've got it wrong, it's not Piotler but one of the following:
Piotrollini
Mao Piotrong
Piotlin
Piot Piot
Still not sure which one exactly.

:lol::lol:

Pole Piot is even better. :lol:

dsanders06
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Am I totally crazy, or does he kind of look like Jack Black? :unsure:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/a-z/b/black_jack/281x211.jpg http://malemen.pl/files/x/6632_2.jpg

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:26 PM
I know you guys are having fun with this but the whole situation makes me terribly sad. I wish for nothing more than that she finally finds the courage for change. She was almost there last summer...:sad:
Believe, some of us feel sorry for her too.

But Piotr has decided to make Caro his project.

He has done everything to make himself indispensable to Caro career

Losing Streak
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Didn't know he talked to her like she's crap. :eek: This guy really freaks me out.
When Aga successfully dumped her father last summer, I really thought Caro would follow her steps... :(

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Am I totally crazy, or does he kind of look like Jack Black? :unsure:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/a-z/b/black_jack/281x211.jpg http://en.prestigemagazine.com.pl/images/stories/piotr_wozniacki.jpg

They both that goofy look
http://www.seoghoer.dk/%7E/media/Se%20og%20Hoer/Kendte%20Danmark/Piotr3%20jpg.ashx?w=300

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Send in the troops

Stop buying Danish Bacon

C. Drone
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:34 PM
until Aaron Ramsey scores.

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:34 PM
Send in the troops

Stop buying Danish Bacon
BTW, how does this saga play out in Danish press?
After all, Caro put Denmark on the map as far as tennis

Charlatan
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:36 PM
the first photo of him was creepy :eek:
hope caro leaves him soon, though

pov
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:33 PM
All indications are that it's what she wants. Maybe much like Bartoli. In both cases I think a change could help them develop their games further.

LightWarrior
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:52 PM
All indications are that it's what she wants. Maybe much like Bartoli. In both cases I think a change could help them develop their games further.

Are you sure ? It looks to me that she doesn't even have a say in the decisions about her career. She's just a pawn in her father's hand. She didn't fire Sanchez, he did. Same with the USO invisible other coach last year. And what about those rumours about teaming with Navratilova ? Honestly the way he talked to her on the chair during the Goerges match was a total shock and eye-opening. How can a player improve if she's bullied and "controlled" ?

wildemu
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:59 PM
Are you sure ? It looks to me that she doesn't even have a say in the decisions about her career. She's just a pawn in her father's hand. She didn't fire Sanchez, he did. Same with the USO invisible other coach last year. And what about those rumours about teaming with Navratilova ? Honestly the way he talked to her on the chair during the Goerges match was a total shock and eye-opening. How can a player improve if she's bullied and "controlled" ?

The part of the discussion where she tried to voice her opinion and he immediately shut her down strongly shows what their relationship is like, and it is pretty scary for Caro. She has no say in her matches and I am beginning to question if she can think during a match properly, or she just does whatever her father told her to do pre-match. She might be afraid to try anything different with the attitude that he has.

Mary Cherry.
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:11 PM
until Aaron Ramsey scores.

:hysteric:

SwingVolley93
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:12 PM
http://www.seoghoer.dk/~/media/Se%20og%20Hoer/Kendte%20Danmark/Piotr3%20jpg.ashx?w=300


:scared:

aguy9797
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:25 PM
i do not think Piotr is evil.

He has helped Caro maximize her potential turning Caro into one of the best retrievers in the WTA history. He instilled in her lots of self confidence building up her mental strength.

Caro will part from him when she is ready to take more risk both in her game and in her life. She should do it on her terms and hopefully it will be a good move for her.

pov
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:28 PM
Are you sure ? It looks to me that she doesn't even have a say in the decisions about her career. She's just a pawn in her father's hand. She didn't fire Sanchez, he did. Same with the USO invisible other coach last year. And what about those rumours about teaming with Navratilova ? Honestly the way he talked to her on the chair during the Goerges match was a total shock and eye-opening. How can a player improve if she's bullied and "controlled" ?

Not sure at all. I'll change my sentence to "It seems to me like she wants this."

Beyond that though, of course she has a say. She has all the say! She's a legal adult! Now whether she's unable to see that it is now her choice is a whole 'notha thing. But she has a man so her father isn't dominating all her life. So ???

goldenlox
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:32 PM
She wants him there. She's 21. And Caro lost to Julia twice last year when she was playing well. She won Dubai, final Doha, won IW, won Charleston then in the Stuttgart final. She was in her 5th final in 6 tournaments when Goerges beat her twice.
So I dont blame any of those 3 losses on her dad. Give credit to Julia, she can blast thru Caroline and does it each time they play

Miracle Worker
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Till the bitter end.

LightWarrior
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Not sure at all. I'll change my sentence to "It seems to me like she wants this."

Beyond that though, of course she has a say. She has all the say! She's a legal adult! Now whether she's unable to see that it is now her choice is a whole 'notha thing. But she has a man so her father isn't dominating all her life. So ???

Just because she's an adult doesn't mean anything. Ask Piece, Dokic...Just because he "allows" her to have a boyfriend doesn't mean that he doesn't control other aspects of her life, the unconscous part as well. The father figure is still around everyday. For the worse it seems. I'm sure a psychologist would expand on this.

flareon
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:55 PM
This to the whole thread, he is the issue if she drops him she will improve hes taught her all he can its now time to move on, the problem is he will not let her and untill she says no! its never going to change

pov
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:58 PM
Just because she's an adult doesn't mean anything. Ask Piece, Dokic...Just because he "allows" her to have a boyfriend doesn't mean that he doesn't control other aspects of her life, the unconscous part as well. The father figure is still around everyday. For the worse it seems. I'm sure a psychologist would expand on this.
It means - as I said - that legally she has the say-so. As I also said - if she is unable to realize this or chooses not to act on it, that's on her. If he still has control it's because she is giving him control. Beyond that it's all almost all speculation.

Jimmie48
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Just because she's an adult doesn't mean anything. Ask Piece, Dokic...Just because he "allows" her to have a boyfriend doesn't mean that he doesn't control other aspects of her life, the unconscous part as well. The father figure is still around everyday. For the worse it seems. I'm sure a psychologist would expand on this.

I have to agree on that he's probably not bothered about the golfer as long as he doesn't get involved in the tennis decisions or god forbid supports her in splitting from Piotr. Then stuff would quickly change I guess...

Excelscior
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Believe, some of us feel sorry for her too.

But Piotr has decided to make Caro his project.

He has done everything to make himself indispensable to Caro career

This (though I'm more observant than feel sorry for her). Though he's her father, with tight bonds (and she appeared to try last summer), it's ultimately up to her.


Good Luck with this Caro.

pov
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:07 PM
Though he's her father, with tight bonds (and she appeared to try last summer), it's ultimately up to her.
That's about it.

Patrick345
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:10 PM
I have to agree on that he's probably not bothered about the golfer

The whole body language suggests Piotr doesn´t approve at all. He probably secretly blames Rory for the whole slump. When they were in Cincy watching Caro play in 40°C, I saw Na Li stash her Häagen Dazs in Caro´s players box, because it was freezing in there.

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:18 PM
This (though I'm more observant than feel sorry for her). Though he's her father, with tight bonds (and she appeared to try last summer), it's ultimately up to her.


Good Luck with this Caro.
I don't disagree, but let's not pretend that because Caro is an adult, it is all on her.


Situation where this has worked , couple of things need happen
The child is strong will and is not afraid of not pleasing her father, s/he has strong conviction and confidence that s/he doing the right thing. I am not sure Caro is that kind of child
The father is open to accept the fact he has limitations, and he is not the only one who can help his child. I am not sure Piotr has come to that conclusion or will he ever.Just a comparison with Aga.
Some posters have criticized Aga for her public feud with her father; at the same time, that "disrespectful" attitude has helped in getting of rid off him.


I am not suggesting Caro should emulate Aga, because she will never for it is innate.
I am just saying it is a very difficult situation for her, she does not want to offend her father.

sweetadri06
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:25 PM
Caroline is an adult legally but she's still only 21, a baby basically. She also has a different personality than say Aga who is more strongwilled and independent. There are alot of differnt factors for why she won't or maybe can't part with her dad. He doesn't help the situation because he may be afraid to let go of her.

CWTennis
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:30 PM
we'll see! But with every her loss like this, their relationship will only become more complicated!

laurie
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:31 PM
It's a pity womens tennis keeps throwing up these scenarios after all these decades, history repeats itself again and again.

Well, it really is down to Caroline to make the break, just like Sharapova and others have done so. As has been pointed out, Caroline is still 21, so very young, she might do it when she is 23, she will still be very young. She will do it when she feels ready. Of course, her fans want her to do it as soon as possible and that is perfectly understandable and logical.

Tennis Fool
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:05 PM
It's a pity womens tennis keeps throwing up these scenarios after all these decades, history repeats itself again and again.
It's not just women's tennis.

Well, it really is down to Caroline to make the break, just like Sharapova and others have done so. As has been pointed out, Caroline is still 21, so very young, she might do it when she is 23, she will still be very young. She will do it when she feels ready. Of course, her fans want her to do it as soon as possible and that is perfectly understandable and logical.
She may not really want to. Some players never do, Hingis, Williams sisters, etc. Wasn't Dementieva always coached by her mom?

PetraReeMona
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:10 PM
It means - as I said - that legally she has the say-so. As I also said - if she is unable to realize this or chooses not to act on it, that's on her. If he still has control it's because she is giving him control. Beyond that it's all almost all speculation.

As simple as that is it :confused:

Excelscior
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:10 PM
I don't disagree, but let's not pretend that because Caro is an adult, it is all on her.


Situation where this has worked , couple of things need happen
The child is strong will and is not afraid of not pleasing her father, s/he has strong conviction and confidence that s/he doing the right thing. I am not sure Caro is that kind of child
The father is open to accept the fact he has limitations, and he is not the only one who can help his child. I am not Piotr has come to that conclusion and will he ever.Just a comparison with Aga.
Some posters have criticized Aga for her public feud with her father; at the same time, that "disrespectful" has helped in getting of rid off him.


I am not suggesting Caro should emulate Aga, because she will never for it is innate.
Imam just saying it is a very difficult situation for her, she does not want to offend her father.

Oh.

That's an excellent post. And I don't disagree. I just can't feel sorry for her (call me soulless and unemotional), cause ultimately I know it's her decision.

And I say that, knowing the tight bonds, grip, difficulty and desire that Piotr has over/wishes to continue with her, and how hard it is/will be for Caro (if/when she chooses to make that decision). Yes I do.

They've had a successful history for the most part. Good Luck to both of them.

SwingVolley93
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:12 PM
Maybe she still thinks that the way he's coached her is the right way. I mean he did get her pretty far. :shrug:

Talula
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:17 PM
I know you guys are having fun with this but the whole situation makes me terribly sad. I wish for nothing more than that she finally finds the courage for change. She was almost there last summer...:sad:

I agree. Qatar and Dubai are not funny and (as I've said in other threads) I found today totally depressing to watch. It is VERY sad to witness such an embarrassing decline in any player and it will be awful, absolutely awful for the sport if Caroline goes into terminal decline. Even non-fans shouldn't wish to witness that. I hope she does a Pierce/Caprati and manages to break free/assert herself, get her act together and fulfil her talent.

I think the girl really does need some objective help. Take some time to re-group, build the confidence again, and come back stronger.

PetraReeMona
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:19 PM
I don't disagree, but let's not pretend that because Caro is an adult, it is all on her.


Situation where this has worked , couple of things need happen
The child is strong will and is not afraid of not pleasing her father, s/he has strong conviction and confidence that s/he doing the right thing. I am not sure Caro is that kind of child
The father is open to accept the fact he has limitations, and he is not the only one who can help his child. I am not Piotr has come to that conclusion and will he ever.Just a comparison with Aga.
Some posters have criticized Aga for her public feud with her father; at the same time, that "disrespectful" attitude has helped in getting of rid off him.


I am not suggesting Caro should emulate Aga, because she will never for it is innate.
I am just saying it is a very difficult situation for her, she does not want to offend her father.

Yes, Yes, Yes and I'm sure there's a lot more to it. :yeah:

sweetadri06
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:45 PM
It's not just women's tennis.


She may not really want to. Some players never do, Hingis, Williams sisters, etc. Wasn't Dementieva always coached by her mom?

Williams sisters have their parents there for moral support more than anything these days; they have gone to different coaches for consulting/fitness and other things. I don't think i've ever seen Richard or Oracene go on-court in a match. Most of the time Oracene looks half-asleep. So that isn't a good comparison. lmao:lol:

StoneRose
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:48 PM
i do not think Piotr is evil.

He has helped Caro maximize her potential turning Caro into one of the best retrievers in the WTA history. He instilled in her lots of self confidence building up her mental strength.

Caro will part from him when she is ready to take more risk both in her game and in her life. She should do it on her terms and hopefully it will be a good move for her.This. It is probably time for change but from what i've seen there's no evidence that he's rude/evil or whatever, just very focused.

laurie
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:07 AM
It's not just women's tennis.


She may not really want to. Some players never do, Hingis, Williams sisters, etc. Wasn't Dementieva always coached by her mom?

Well the players you mention, the partnerships were mostly positive (although Hingis did break from her mother for a while then went back if I recall). I was thinking of Dokic, Jaegger, Pierce, Rezai, Capriati etc etc where there were big issues. Not sure I would put Mr Wozniacki in that league though. I would put him more in the Yuri Sharapov league at the moment.

Pops Maellard
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:14 AM
I think she'll ditch him eventually but it might still be a while.

Keegan
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:15 AM
North-Korealine's Dear Leader will keep a hold of her for a very long time IMO. He successfully got her to the top of the rankings and they won a fair amount of titles together. Granted, no slam titles and there probably never will be, but there were sections of her run at the top where she was the No.1 player, not only in rankings but in how she was playing as well. She probably thinks that something like that will happen again, but people have her figured out and it might be a while before she can actually realize that it's no longer working.

dsanders06
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:29 AM
It's a pity womens tennis keeps throwing up these scenarios after all these decades, history repeats itself again and again.

Well, it really is down to Caroline to make the break, just like Sharapova and others have done so. As has been pointed out, Caroline is still 21, so very young, she might do it when she is 23, she will still be very young. She will do it when she feels ready. Of course, her fans want her to do it as soon as possible and that is perfectly understandable and logical.

I don't think you can really compare it to Sharapova's situation with her dad... from what I gather, he only really ever helped Maria with the motivational/mental side of coaching - pretty much the whole way through he was happy to leave the technical coaching to the experts, and eventually it was actually he himself who decided that the time had come for him to stop travelling with Maria to tournaments, rather than Maria deciding it (this was when Maria was about a year younger than Caroline is now, ftr). Clearly Piotr is a lot more guarding of Caroline than Yuri ever was of Maria.

However, one thing Caroline CAN draw from Maria's career is when she split with Michael Joyce and linked up with Thomas Hogstedt instead. Joyce had been there for pretty much ALL of Maria's top-level career and had helped guide her to two Slam titles - but eventually, the relationship got stale, Maria's career stalled, and as soon as she split from him, she immediately began a sharp upwards curve in her results, and still trending upwards as of now. In many cases, what worked successfully at one point doesn't always work forever - the dynamics of the player-coach relationship often change over time to the point where it becomes unproductive, the personalities of one or both change, the demands needed in terms of their game change. And it's becoming increasingly more clear that, no matter how successful Caroline's relationship with Piotr once was, it's getting to the same stage as the last months of Maria's relationship with Michael Joyce :shrug:

Sammo
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:38 AM
Until his death.

Melange
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:55 AM
Until her death. :sad:

CWTennis
Feb 25th, 2012, 04:18 AM
Until her death. :sad:

not funny! :rolleyes:

Mightymirza
Feb 25th, 2012, 06:54 AM
Until she gets a real BF.. :p (AKA what happened to Masha.)

Fantasy Hero
Feb 25th, 2012, 11:48 AM
You've got it wrong, it's not Piotler but one of the following:
Piotrollini
Mao Piotrong
Piotlin
Piot Piot
Still not sure which one exactly.

if he was Piotrellini he would be fired sooner or later, i fear for a everlasting dictatorship :sobbing:

GoofyDuck
Mar 20th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Caro deserves a normal coach!

the guy is just MAD AS HELL:

7.50

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aselto
Mar 20th, 2012, 06:49 PM
It's been like 18 months since that match and Caros game hasn't evolved one bit. She desperately needs to change her coach.

MaBaker
Mar 20th, 2012, 06:53 PM
Forever Piotler <3

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 20th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Papa Woz is evil re-incarnation of Papa Smurf

Someone anyone get this up

TennisFan66
Mar 20th, 2012, 07:38 PM
Some rather ridiculous comments and claims in this thread.

Material World
Mar 20th, 2012, 08:55 PM
She clearly needs to develop her game and that aint going to happen with Pole Piot (great gag, whoever coined that one earlier...). At the moment most of the top 20 have sussed her out and improved past her - needs to develop herself. I hope she does as she is very likeable.

Brena
Mar 20th, 2012, 09:03 PM
He'll push her to push for as long as some decent money is coming in, and once his financial advisers warn him her value on the market is about to plummet, he'll sell her to the highest bidder. :shrug: