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VeeJJ
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:43 PM
This came up in another thread about Maria not playing in the Middle-East and apparently becoming a "Part-Timer." These players are no strangers as both Serena and Clijsters started this group. IMO I think their reality check has begun. The period where they could just play there way through majors and progressively get better with each match is deteriorating and that said they are actually playing even less than the past 2 years. IMO this was really eveident at the the 2011 USO final and my case strengthened this past AO with Kim, Serena, and Maria not capitalizing on the "so called" generation suck. IMO one of them at 80% should have taken that title for sure but not having actual match experience for 2 and a half months is to blame I think. And now they have put themselevs under more pressure IMO because they are letting the better players of this generation get slams and tons of confidence. Most importantly Vika and Kvitova, both these girls have good games that will only get better, put them both on a confidence high, and that makes Serena/Kim extremely beatable and not that much of threat anymore and certainly not intimidating. I think if they just played more, not necessarily a full schedule but just more and re-seasoned and kept their match play fresh it would be a totally different story and a win win for the sport and the fans. In short I think it is just a contradiction. They want to win the big tournaments and majors, but when they get there they are not fully prepared and get undesirable results and don't change their habits. Now it's biting them in the ass. It makes me angry cause I wnat to see them play somewhat frequently when they are playing well and at a good level because it brings hig quality tennis and excitement. I know they have other life obligations now but it seems like now they have bit off more than they can chew.

Let your impending bad reps and hateful comments commence.

Stonerpova
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:45 PM
I wouldn't consider Sharapova a part timer. But I agree otherwise.

Direwolf
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:47 PM
There was a time when Seles and Graf played less than 30 events between them!

Stupid issue as the grunting.

VeeJJ
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:48 PM
I didn't either but I am just going off of what other Masha Fans were saying in the "Where's Maria?" thread. I think she may be headed down that road soon though.

nevetssllim
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:50 PM
Serena played three events before the US Open and was going okay in Brisbane until she hurt her ankle. You can hardly say it was a lack of matches which cost her those titles (yes, okay, she only had two matches in Brisbane but she was forced out of it). I think getting older has more to do with it rather than lack of matches.

doomsday
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:50 PM
I didn't either but I am just going off of what other Masha Fans were saying in the "Where's Maria?" thread. I think she may be headed down that road soon though.

She hasn't played both tournament since her comeback in 2009 but that doesn't make her a part timer like Serena or Clijsters, seriously it's not even comparable.

Rest Maria!
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:52 PM
I think Sharapova falls more into "careful scheduling" category, not part timer. She played 15 events in the last 12 months and would have played 17 if not for the injury (she skipped Beijing and Moscow). Seems reasonable to me. :shrug:

Aravanecaravan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:55 PM
This came up in another thread about Maria not playing in the Middle-East and apparently becoming a "Part-Timer." These players are no strangers as both Serena and Clijsters started this group. IMO I think their reality check has begun. The period where they could just play there way through majors and progressively get better with each match is deteriorating and that said they are actually playing even less than the past 2 years. IMO this was really eveident at the the 2011 USO final and my case strengthened this past AO with Kim, Serena, and Maria not capitalizing on the "so called" generation suck. IMO one of them at 80% should have taken that title for sure but not having actual match experience for 2 and a half months is to blame I think. And now they have put themselevs under more pressure IMO because they are letting the better players of this generation get slams and tons of confidence. Most importantly Vika and Kvitova, both these girls have good games that will only get better, put them both on a confidence high, and that makes Serena/Kim extremely beatable and not that much of threat anymore and certainly not intimidating. I think if they just played more, not necessarily a full schedule but just more and re-seasoned and kept their match play fresh it would be a totally different story and a win win for the sport and the fans. In short I think it is just a contradiction. They want to win the big tournaments and majors, but when they get there they are not fully prepared and get undesirable results and don't change their habits. Now it's biting them in the ass. It makes me angry cause I wnat to see them play somewhat frequently when they are playing well and at a good level because it brings hig quality tennis and excitement. I know they have other life obligations now but it seems like now they have bit off more than they can chew.

Let your impending bad reps and hateful comments commence.



This is exactly the problem. There's no way that players like Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur, Azarenka and Kvitova would be winning majors if the best players in the world were fully committed to the game.

Stamp Paid
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:57 PM
Serena played three events before the US Open and was going okay in Brisbane until she hurt her ankle. You can hardly say it was a lack of matches which cost her those titles (yes, okay, she only had two matches in Brisbane but she was forced out of it). I think getting older has more to do with it rather than lack of matches.Exactly.

Venus is 31, Serena is 30 and Kim is 28. And can barely string together more than 2 tournaments without an injury. It doesn't make any sense for their bodies to play a full-time schedule, despite how angry it supposedly makes the OP.

Pump-it-UP
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:59 PM
How does the USO final strengthen your argument? Serena played 12 matches in the USO Series, which is (I think?) the most she's played at that time ever. And because of that, she ended up peaking in the 1st weekend rather than the 2nd. She was anything but a part-timer last summer, and she ultimately paid the price for it.

And I don't think this AO is a good example either. Serena was garbage that entire tournament due to injury, not rust. I mean.. her Brisbane level was GOAT compared to how she was playing in Melbourne. :lol: And Kim was mediocre throughout, but she was still a few games away from winning the title making the final in which it's near certain that she would have clocked Finalpova. I don't consider that a reality check. It'll be a reality check when a fully-fit Serena or Kim is losing to the likes of Rus/Makarova.

VeeJJ
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:00 PM
Serena played three events before the US Open and was going okay in Brisbane until she hurt her ankle. You can hardly say it was a lack of matches which cost her those titles (yes, okay, she only had two matches in Brisbane but she was forced out of it). I think getting older has more to do with it rather than lack of matches.

Only 2 really count over the summer but that's beside the point. The big impending question is how did she lose that final? She had like a 3 week break or something from Toronto to the USO. I think that could have been the cause. DOn't get me wrong Stosur played GOAT, but Serena playing decent should have dispatched her in three sets or two tight ones.

Young 8
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:10 PM
There are no part-timers, just aging players

Wozniacki will burn out in 2/3 yrs at this pace


With ZERO Slams obviously

Just Do It
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:11 PM
I agree 100% with thread starter. I am sick of part timers. I give credit to Wozniacki for playing constantly throughout the year, even when she was #1 and had a big lead. People say she was whoring for points but in fact she was just playing like everyone else.

Stamp Paid
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:13 PM
There are no part-timers, just aging players

Wozniacki will burn out in 2/3 yrs at this pace


With ZERO Slams obviously
You would think a Jankovic fan would be able to understand this concept.

Young 8
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:14 PM
You would think a Jankovic fan would be able to understand this concept.

Exactly

:worship:

young_gunner913
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:16 PM
I don't know why it matters, Serena & Kim have had better "part timer" results than most players will ever see in their careers. :lol:

kman
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:22 PM
It's either "impending reality check for part-timers" or "part-timers to receive reality check soon". Stay away from that illiterate double mumbo jumbo.

Just Do It
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:25 PM
I don't know why it matters, Serena & Kim have had better "part timer" results than most players will ever see in their careers. :lol:

Exactly, and that is the main problem. If they would stick to the game maybe we wouldn't have a new #1 every 3 months :facepalm:

faboozadoo15
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sharapova is not a part time player. If she hadn't delayed her preparation due to an ankle injury, she would have played 3 events already this season + fed cup.

After the AO Sharapova wanted to play Fed cup, 1 event and then head back to the states. Everyone has their priorities. Maybe she will play more at the tail end of the season than she's used to (almost a guarantee with the olympics).

Miracle Worker
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:23 PM
Maria is not part-timer cause she has really good schedule. I think she shouldn't have play in Paris and choose Doha or Dubai because of different level of opponents and to be well prepared for Indian Wells.

Kim is eternal injured and even without match experience she's still better than 99% of tour. Her injuries are main problem for her, because without them she could easily play 14-15 events every year.

Serena is eternal injured too and I'm not sure if she's training enough.

tonybotz
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:26 PM
There was a time when Seles and Graf played less than 30 events between them!

Stupid issue as the grunting.

seles and graf made the finals of almost every event they played and won most of them. so..you can't compare.

young_gunner913
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:33 PM
Exactly, and that is the main problem. If they would stick to the game maybe we wouldn't have a new #1 every 3 months :facepalm:

As many other people have said, they're getting older and their bodies aren't in as good as shape as these girls in their early twenties. Instead of moaning about their lack of play, how about being thankful there's still a few real stars on the tour left. This thread is just to bitch and complain. Look at the top players who play a full schedules littered with terrible results.

Nicolás89
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:51 PM
Exactly.

Venus is 31, Serena is 30 and Kim is 28. And can barely string together more than 2 tournaments without an injury. It doesn't make any sense for their bodies to play a full-time schedule, despite how angry it supposedly makes the OP.

Exactly. Kim not wanting to play in Asia because of *radiation* is the perfect example of this. :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 06:10 PM
I agree 100% with thread starter. I am sick of part timers. I give credit to Wozniacki for playing constantly throughout the year, even when she was #1 and had a big lead. People say she was whoring for points but in fact she was just playing like everyone else.
As far as I'm concerned they all can do whatever they want, but I don't think that those who play only a limited number of events should get a pat on the back for it while those that play a full schedule and support the tour are called whores.

Miracle Worker
Feb 23rd, 2012, 06:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned they all can do whatever they want, but I don't think that those who play only a limited number of events should get a pat on the back for it while those that play a full schedule and support the tour are called whores.

Exactly :worship:

Julia Cohen support ITF tour in some weird places and she's called 'tournament whore'.

sweetadri06
Feb 23rd, 2012, 06:21 PM
Listen, these bitches have paid their dues already, all of them have won 30+ titles and supported the tour sufficiently. As far as I'm concerned they can do whatever the fuck they want and you will deal. The "reality check" is that Jankovic got to number one as a result of 'part-time' players and still could not capatilize. You are bitter that Stosur, Na Li, and Franny all won their maiden slam and she hasen't. She is a good player but you really need to get over it. :wavey:

MM_1257
Feb 23rd, 2012, 06:46 PM
:facepalm: at this thread.

laurie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:04 PM
This came up in another thread about Maria not playing in the Middle-East and apparently becoming a "Part-Timer." These players are no strangers as both Serena and Clijsters started this group. IMO I think their reality check has begun. The period where they could just play there way through majors and progressively get better with each match is deteriorating and that said they are actually playing even less than the past 2 years. IMO this was really eveident at the the 2011 USO final and my case strengthened this past AO with Kim, Serena, and Maria not capitalizing on the "so called" generation suck. IMO one of them at 80% should have taken that title for sure but not having actual match experience for 2 and a half months is to blame I think. And now they have put themselevs under more pressure IMO because they are letting the better players of this generation get slams and tons of confidence. Most importantly Vika and Kvitova, both these girls have good games that will only get better, put them both on a confidence high, and that makes Serena/Kim extremely beatable and not that much of threat anymore and certainly not intimidating. I think if they just played more, not necessarily a full schedule but just more and re-seasoned and kept their match play fresh it would be a totally different story and a win win for the sport and the fans. In short I think it is just a contradiction. They want to win the big tournaments and majors, but when they get there they are not fully prepared and get undesirable results and don't change their habits. Now it's biting them in the ass. It makes me angry cause I wnat to see them play somewhat frequently when they are playing well and at a good level because it brings hig quality tennis and excitement. I know they have other life obligations now but it seems like now they have bit off more than they can chew.

Let your impending bad reps and hateful comments commence.

Would you mind shortening your paragrapghs? You make some interesting points, shorter paragrapghs and spacing would give it greater impact :yeah:.

Gdsimmons
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:19 PM
Why are people so steam pressed about what OTHER players are doing. I dont get it. Shouldnt you be happy that your favs are taking advantage of the fact that the 'part timers' arent playing every tournament?

Smitten
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:21 PM
The schedule isn't even the problem. It's the injuries. They pulled off this same schedule when they were able to be healthy.

Azarenka is a non-factor and another placeholder just like Borz was.

laurie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:23 PM
To answer the points you put forward, I think it is just the time for the new players to take over, it happens every ten years and is nothing unusual. Clijsters is an interesting case, let's not forget she won 3 out of her 4 slams relatively late in her career, actually on her comeback, and she is the epitomy of hardcourt specialist. But looking at it logically, Clijsters is vulnerable to a player like Azarenka if Azarenka holds it together mentally.

Why? Because Clijsters hits a lot of winners and makes a lot of unforced errors, therefore relies on her opponent to some extent to make a lot of errors as well, which is why she was able to overcome Li and not Azarenka. Clijsters at this stage hasn't been a threat on clay or grass for some years so really just a factor on the hardcourts, And remember Clijsters won the Aussie for the first time last year, it was not like she was winning it regularly. So I wouldn't assume Clijsters would win if she played enough warm up events beforehand.

Sharapova? Just forget that one, it is quite obvious, it is not because she is more famous than Kvitova and Azarenka that she should win the finals, people like me who study the game was sure Sharapova would not win, she simply cannot win as she double faults either too often or at the wrong moments. And in the Aussie final, her relative lack of movement was exposed. And last year on the clay, Sharapova had a nice run, winning the Italian Open as well, and still lost to Li in the French semi, so your theory there holds no water.

Serena? Don't know what to say about her, I'm just fed up of the whole scenario and quite frankly am very glad I am not a fan of hers. I wouldn't want to be a fan of a player who never plays any events. Serena no longer plays the WTA tour it seems, she only plays ITF events, i.e Grand Slam tournaments and Federation cup! It would be nice for Serena to play some events so she could match her game against Azarenka and Kvitova in a big tournament, but on a few occasions so we can get a proper gauge, not just a one off. I would be very interested to see how Serena deals with Kvitova's shotmaking, Serena loves to scrap and has previous experience of shotmakers with Lindsay Davenport.

edificio
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:41 PM
Why are people so steam pressed about what OTHER players are doing. I dont get it. Shouldnt you be happy that your favs are taking advantage of the fact that the 'part timers' arent playing every tournament?

I don't get it either. If the biggest title winners are out, time for the other players to make hay while the sun shines. :shrug:

Who seriously thought that Venus was going to play in Kuala Lumpur in her situation? :rolleyes:

The other player just need to take advantage of their opportunities. And if you want to see Kim, Serena, Venus, Maria, etc., get thee to a slam.

edificio
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:43 PM
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Serena? Don't know what to say about her, I'm just fed up of the whole scenario and quite frankly am very glad I am not a fan of hers. I wouldn't want to be a fan of a player who never plays any events. Serena no longer plays the WTA tour it seems, she only plays ITF events, i.e Grand Slam tournaments and Federation cup! It would be nice for Serena to play some events so she could match her game against Azarenka and Kvitova in a big tournament, but on a few occasions so we can get a proper gauge, not just a one off. I would be very interested to see how Serena deals with Kvitova's shotmaking, Serena loves to scrap and has previous experience of shotmakers with Lindsay Davenport.

Guess those were only ITF events she played last summer. :shrug:

Sp!ffy
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:47 PM
I don't trust threads started by people like JaJa Swan.....

Btw, fix thread title spelling please. :D

laurie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:47 PM
Guess those were only ITF events she played last summer. :shrug:

And since September 2011? I'm talking about the present, we want to see Serena play some events!

Papillon.
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:47 PM
Exactly :worship:

Julia Cohen support ITF tour in some weird places and she's called 'tournament whore'.

You are such an idiot.

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:00 PM
It's either "impending reality check for part-timers" or "part-timers to receive reality check soon". Stay away from that illiterate double mumbo jumbo.

that's true, but is it necessary for you to come to this thread and post a pretentious comment without contributing anything? :rolleyes: plus, that kind of double mumbo jumob is a common mistake among the users

anyway, maria is not even a part timer, firstly.

like many people have said, serena and kim have fully paid their dues. they are in their 30s and are you seriously expecting these ladies to go out in most tournaments like the novices in their early 20s would do? no, you can't. even if they have the mindset to go out and play, their bodies can't follow their will.

it's easier to sit down and criticize who should be playing how many tournaments but tennis has become a physically more demanding game. of course, i give pros to all these young players who play most of the tournaments (i disagree with people using derogatory terms like 'post whoring'), but you can't expect the same to someone at the dawn of their career (at least, age wise, in general)

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:06 PM
To answer the points you put forward, I think it is just the time for the new players to take over, it happens every ten years and is nothing unusual. Clijsters is an interesting case, let's not forget she won 3 out of her 4 slams relatively late in her career, actually on her comeback, and she is the epitomy of hardcourt specialist. But looking at it logically, Clijsters is vulnerable to a player like Azarenka if Azarenka holds it together mentally.

Why? Because Clijsters hits a lot of winners and makes a lot of unforced errors, therefore relies on her opponent to some extent to make a lot of errors as well, which is why she was able to overcome Li and not Azarenka. Clijsters at this stage hasn't been a threat on clay or grass for some years so really just a factor on the hardcourts, And remember Clijsters won the Aussie for the first time last year, it was not like she was winning it regularly. So I wouldn't assume Clijsters would win if she played enough warm up events beforehand.

Sharapova? Just forget that one, it is quite obvious, it is not because she is more famous than Kvitova and Azarenka that she should win the finals, people like me who study the game was sure Sharapova would not win, she simply cannot win as she double faults either too often or at the wrong moments. And in the Aussie final, her relative lack of movement was exposed. And last year on the clay, Sharapova had a nice run, winning the Italian Open as well, and still lost to Li in the French semi, so your theory there holds no water.

Serena? Don't know what to say about her, I'm just fed up of the whole scenario and quite frankly am very glad I am not a fan of hers. I wouldn't want to be a fan of a player who never plays any events. Serena no longer plays the WTA tour it seems, she only plays ITF events, i.e Grand Slam tournaments and Federation cup! It would be nice for Serena to play some events so she could match her game against Azarenka and Kvitova in a big tournament, but on a few occasions so we can get a proper gauge, not just a one off. I would be very interested to see how Serena deals with Kvitova's shotmaking, Serena loves to scrap and has previous experience of shotmakers with Lindsay Davenport.

so much crap in one post. it boggles me to even see the date you joined TF since 2005.

since her comeback, serena played Eastbourne, Wimbledon, Stanford (Champion), Toronto (Champion), US Open and ended the 2011.

in 2012, she played Brisbane but forced to pull out due to injury, then Australian Open, then yes, 2 matches in Fed Cup.

Not to mention Serena met Azarenka 2 times (2 freaking times) in the last year fall season (of course, she won both times in straight sets) :wavey: . so please stop posting crap.

As for her chance of meeting with Petra, we'll see what will happen. Petra was not her best in the USO, so Serena can't do anything about their meeting.

doujyr
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:06 PM
i agree with the op that the days of a couple of easy matches at the start of the big tournaments are over.

i'd just like to repeat what's been said that sharapova hasn't played doha/dubai since 2008, something i wasn't aware of, and so it's quite normnal. my bad. if i'd known i wouldn't've started the "where's sharapova" thread.

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:22 PM
and WTF is that talk on maria not choosing the middle east swing about?
Until 2008, maria has played Dubai ONCE in 2006, where she lost to Henin in straight sets in the final.
Until 2008, maria has played Doha TWICE in 2005 and 2008 where she ended up winning both times with zero match loss record.

She has never played both Dubai and Doha back to back. That's just her priority, I guess.

So please get to know everything before you make an assumption out of nothing

laurie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:22 PM
so much crap in one post. it boggles me to even see the date you joined TF since 2005.

since her comeback, serena played Eastbourne, Wimbledon, Stanford (Champion), Toronto (Champion), US Open and ended the 2011.

in 2012, she played Brisbane but forced to pull out due to injury, then Australian Open, then yes, 2 matches in Fed Cup.

Not to mention Serena met Azarenka 2 times (2 freaking times) in the last year fall season (of course, she won both times in straight sets) :wavey: . so please stop posting crap.

As for her chance of meeting with Petra, we'll see what will happen. Petra was not her best in the USO, so Serena can't do anything about their meeting.

So what if I was out by a couple of matches, the fact is the same, Serena doesn't play hardly any events, I'm not bothered if that's not what you want to hear. I want to see Serena play more events.

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:51 PM
So what if I was out by a couple of matches, the fact is the same, Serena doesn't play hardly any events, I'm not bothered if that's not what you want to hear. I want to see Serena play more events.

i actually forgot she played the 1R in Cincinnati, too last year. so from the period of June 2011+off season+February 2012, she has already been in 8 tournaments + Fed Cup. that's a pretty justifiable number of tournaments for someone like serena. so your statement that 'she hardly play any events' is inaccurate and debunk-able

laurie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:00 PM
i actually forgot she played the 1R in Cincinnati, too last year. so from the period of June 2011+off season+February 2012, she has already been in 8 tournaments + Fed Cup. that's a pretty justifiable number of tournaments for someone like serena. so your statement that 'she hardly play any events' is inaccurate and debunk-able

Sounds like most of those events were before September 2011. Since September 2011 after the US Open she's played hardly any events.

Sorry to keep mentioning this, I know it's driving you nuts but that's clearly your prerogative....

Like I said, I'm glad I'm not a Serena fan, been obliged to come on forums and having to justify her every move.....must get tiring....

doujyr
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:06 PM
So please get to know everything before you make an assumption out of nothing


omfg did i not just say in my prev post "my bad"? wtf more do you want me to do? i'll say it again if it makes you feel better (or superior)

i made a mistake and i'm very very very sorry.

is that enough for you? :rolleyes:

doujyr
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:10 PM
i actually forgot she played the 1R in Cincinnati, too last year.


OMFG you're not perfect!!! i'm devastated :help:

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:18 PM
OMFG you're not perfect!!! i'm devastated :help:

was i talking to you in this thread? nope, off you go this way >>>>>

doujyr
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:21 PM
was i talking to you in this thread? nope, off you go this way >>>>>

errr so what's this post then?

and WTF is that talk on maria not choosing the middle east swing about?
Until 2008, maria has played Dubai ONCE in 2006, where she lost to Henin in straight sets in the final.
Until 2008, maria has played Doha TWICE in 2005 and 2008 where she ended up winning both times with zero match loss record.

She has never played both Dubai and Doha back to back. That's just her priority, I guess.

So please get to know everything before you make an assumption out of nothing

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:24 PM
Sounds like most of those events were before September 2011. Since September 2011 after the US Open she's played hardly any events.

Sorry to keep mentioning this, I know it's driving you nuts but that's clearly your prerogative....

Like I said, I'm glad I'm not a Serena fan, been obliged to come on forums and having to justify her every move.....must get tiring....

well, the only obligatory events after the last slam is probably the Asian swings followed by YEC. Serena wasn't qualified for YEC, so that leaves her to compete only Tokyo/Beijing/ may be Moscow. So what's wrong with skipping like two tournaments at the end of the season and start her off season soon?

Like I have proved with the number of tournaments in the previous post, the number of tourneys she played is fine.

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:26 PM
errr so what's this post then?

:scratch: please read the first sentence of the first post by the OP. That post was a reference to it, not yours. If I wanted to refer to your post, would have quoted it right there,like I usually do :facepalm:

JRena
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:47 PM
If these "part timers" played all the time, how will your faves ever win anything? :oh:

I mean cmon think about it, they're giving everyone a chance to win a slam, just gotta line up.

shoryuken
Feb 23rd, 2012, 11:18 PM
I don't get why NON-fans get their panties in a bunch when Serena doesn't play :lol:

The Kaz
Feb 23rd, 2012, 11:23 PM
Exactly, and that is the main problem. If they would stick to the game maybe we wouldn't have a new #1 every 3 months :facepalm:

Last time I checked Azarenka took over the #1 spot from Caro who held it for around 2 years (bar that 1 week last year) :wavey:

gc-spurs
Feb 23rd, 2012, 11:58 PM
Maria's not a part timer- she plays about 15 tourneys a year and does well at them, enough for a top 3 spot. It's just smart scheduling considering past injuries and attempting for a prolonged career. And it pays off (probably should considering she probably pays someone to make her a perfect sched....)

PMBH
Feb 24th, 2012, 12:10 AM
well, the only obligatory events after the last slam is probably the Asian swings followed by YEC. Serena wasn't qualified for YEC, so that leaves her to compete only Tokyo/Beijing/ may be Moscow. So what's wrong with skipping like two tournaments at the end of the season and start her off season soon?

Like I have proved with the number of tournaments in the previous post, the number of tourneys she played is fine.

You really should stop making these silly arguments. It's obvious for everybody that Serena has played very little for the past 1,5 years and still continues to do so. But it seems that she's stuck in a bad cycle. Whenever she tries to play more regularly she picks up a new injury that will keep her away from several tournaments again.

danieln1
Feb 24th, 2012, 01:28 AM
it was good for the game that the part timers were stopped at all majors since Roland Garros last year :yeah:

Charlatan
Feb 24th, 2012, 01:58 AM
You really should stop making these silly arguments. It's obvious for everybody that Serena has played very little for the past 1,5 years and still continues to do so. But it seems that she's stuck in a bad cycle. Whenever she tries to play more regularly she picks up a new injury that will keep her away from several tournaments again.

well, she just came back to court in June 11. plus, like many serena fans have said, she is no longer someone like Caroline in her 20s to be able to go on most tours and play.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 24th, 2012, 02:09 AM
I don't get why NON-fans get their panties in a bunch when Serena doesn't play :lol:

neither do I :lol:

Brad[le]y.
Feb 24th, 2012, 02:30 AM
it was good for the game that the part timers were stopped at all majors since Roland Garros last year :yeah:

:eek: I'm surprised Rus isn't in your signature because of that :rolls:

Brad[le]y.
Feb 24th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Last time I checked Azarenka took over the #1 spot from Caro who held it for around 2 years (bar that 1 week last year) :wavey:

she was #1 for 67 weeks. 2 years is 104 weeks :lol:

VeeJJ
Feb 24th, 2012, 05:07 AM
And I thought Anatards were the worst. SMH. And since I apparently hate Serena so much you must have missed the part when I said I want her to play more because she brings high quality matches and helps the sport. Listen she could be queen of the fucking damn world Idc. But like someone mentioned previously it's ridiculous how they get a pat on the back for playin like 6 times a year. Your suppose to be an athlete day in and day out as long as you play on tour. Not skip tournies cause your "injured" while your just chilling making appearances at different social events blah blah blah. Yeah yeah yeah keep preaching how she paid her dies and is possibly the greatest of all time. We get it and many agree But it's fucking bullshit how she should get the same credit for currently playing as a player who plays a decent amount of tournies. What she did in her career is irrelevant here. I'm talking about what she and Kim are doing currently, or not doing for that matter.

Six Feet Under
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:36 AM
You are such an idiot.

What is it with you and Julia Cohen :sobbing:

In explicit regards to the thread title, you can never count Serena, Kim or Maria out from a slam.

nevetssllim
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Only 2 really count over the summer but that's beside the point. The big impending question is how did she lose that final? She had like a 3 week break or something from Toronto to the USO. I think that could have been the cause. DOn't get me wrong Stosur played GOAT, but Serena playing decent should have dispatched her in three sets or two tight ones.

It was only a two week break and Serena still had more matches under her belt than Stosur heading into the US Open. I'd hardly put her performance at the US Open down to rustiness considering she only dropped three games in her first two matches which isn't always like her. If anything, I'd say she peaked too early. Likewise, we all know Serena losing to Stosur isn't an alien outcome either.

As great as Serena is, this is her 15th year on the tour and Clijsters is fast approaching 30 too. They aren't machines and decline has to set in at some point.