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jrollaneres25
Feb 22nd, 2012, 04:37 PM
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LoveFifteen
Feb 22nd, 2012, 04:46 PM
Serena's tweets about Whitney Houston's death show that Serena is a complete and total narcissist. :o

tennisbum79
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:08 PM
Serena's tweets about Whitney Houston's death show that Serena is a complete and total narcissist. :o
Narcissistic maybe too harsh, but I agree it was a poor choice of words.

"Ruined my day?. Come on Serena you can do better than that

Sammo
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:12 PM
'Ruined my day?' Really? :spit: :facepalm:

faboozadoo15
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:19 PM
:rolleyes: She's just SO dumb.... :sad:

Novichok
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:28 PM
:rolleyes: She's just SO dumb.... :sad:

How is saying that something "ruined [her] day" dumb?:rolleyes:

fouc
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:29 PM
Whitney, you effin bitch, you ruined Serena's day! :o

The Witch-king
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:53 PM
^ i'm so so so glad i do not know every single one of you in real life. It must be an absolute nightmare interacting with your pedantic, petty asses on a dailY basis. A tweet expressing sadness about a death is an issue? Really?

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:03 PM
wow :facepalm: you people

Stamp Paid
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:07 PM
People really read into things the way they want to.

WowWow
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:09 PM
^ i'm so so so glad i do not know every single one of you in real life. It must be an absolute nightmare interacting with your pedantic, petty asses on a dailY basis. A tweet expressing sadness about a death is an issue? Really?

You said it, Brenda!

Smitten
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:09 PM
I'm so sick of jrolladumbass.

Apoleb
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:10 PM
Yeah, some of you need to get a grip. It's a completely normal reaction.

I'm more SMH at the fact that a news report was made about a tweet, a thread was made about the news report, and I clicked play (even if it was for 15 seconds).

Maria rocks
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:11 PM
What's wrong with saying it ruined her day? It ruined my day too. I still can't believe it now. Doesn't seem right that Whitney is dead somehow.

Linguae^
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:13 PM
I don't get what's wrong there. Phew.

StoneRose
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:19 PM
Me neither.Serena could have been a tad more subtle maybe but the intention is clear.

danieln1
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:22 PM
Irrelevant

this should be on the twitter thread

PetraReeMona
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:31 PM
Basically she is saying that "she was upset", which any normal human being would be.

So what's wrong with saying she's upset :confused:

Weren't you upset? I know I was when I heard the news.

Surely some of you must have tweeted that the news of Whitney's death (RIP) upset you. Well if you did that, then Serena did the same, except she said that it ruined her day!

I don't know what the hell she done wrong here :confused: (for once :p )

Kairi
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:39 PM
I'm so sick of jrolladumbass.

THIS.. :facepalm: ffs

Talula
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:43 PM
When John Lennon was murdered, Paul McCartney called it 'a drag'. People use words which can be manipulated, particularly in this age of twatter and wastebook.

The Witch-king
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:46 PM
THIS.. :facepalm: ffs

Agreeing with a professional internet troll :facepalm: :lol:

Not sure what was wrong with him posting the video either. It's the responses that leave a lot to be desired.

Kairi
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:49 PM
It's true..have you seen some of the Williams related threads he's opened... :o particularly that one after Serena's incident at the USO :facepalm:

The Witch-king
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:51 PM
Well yeah... but whats wrong with this one? I was actually curious if Venus had commented/what she said which is why I clicked the thread.

jimbo mack
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:55 PM
RIP Whitney..Serena and Venus were just 2 of millions of fans who loved you and will miss your presence

Halepsova
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:59 PM
Whitney's death ruined my day too. I was so devastated all day and the days after. :sad: There's nothing wrong with this comment.

Lucemferre
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:06 PM
Blame the OP for this kind of treatment. That is not mourning, just a tweet and what is this thread doing here?

Stonerpova
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:31 PM
Whitney, you effin bitch, you ruined Serena's day! :o

:haha:

I feel like Serena doesn't know what the hell she's saying half the time :lol:

donellcarey
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:36 PM
Yea ppl rly read into the information the way they want to. SMH.

Charlatan
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:45 PM
really, though? what's wrong with some of you? 'ruined my day' is nothing but an expression (may be it's a poor expression) from serena because she is grieving like all of us. but that doesn't make her dumb or a bitch :facepalm:

L'Enfant Sauvage
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:48 PM
Her choice of words could have been better, but nowhere near warranting those responses. But of course, Serena takes a breath and it has people up in arms. NID.

Stamp Paid
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:55 PM
Wow. Well Whitney's death didn't really ruin my day at all. I was sad and shocked but I had a good day. I guess I'm even worse than Serena then. :lol:

Novichok
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:59 PM
Wow. Well Whitney's death didn't really ruin my day at all. I was sad and shocked but I had a good day. I guess I'm even worse than Serena then. :lol:

Of course. :lol:

Ryan
Feb 22nd, 2012, 08:08 PM
:yawn: Player forum.

winone23
Feb 22nd, 2012, 08:10 PM
Serena didn't say anything wrong. To my knowledge Venus didn't make any public statements about Whitney.

tennisfan5
Feb 22nd, 2012, 08:11 PM
the problem using the same impersonal medium to express sadness over someone's death that you also can also use for "Yum, breakfast was delicious!"

I think serena can get a pass here though

Balltossovic
Feb 22nd, 2012, 08:13 PM
Why is this in GM? Should be in non Tennis with the other Whitney threads...

pav
Feb 22nd, 2012, 08:56 PM
Either player's forum or forum for passed on terrible bellowing singers.

Pops Maellard
Feb 22nd, 2012, 08:58 PM
Either player's forum or forum for passed on terrible bellowing singers.
Siobhan Magnus is in your sig :weirdo:.

pav
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:01 PM
Siobhan Magnus is in your sig :weirdo:.
Better than Wit, she sounded like a bull with his balls hooked on a barbed wire fence:help:

SoClose
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:04 PM
Someone is desperate for attention :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :o :o :o

PetraReeMona
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:07 PM
Better than Wit, she sounded like a bull with his balls hooked on a barbed wire fence:help:

:tape: I'm sorry, but it's very disrespectful, but I couldn't help but :lol:

L'Enfant Sauvage
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:11 PM
Claiming some American Idol wannabe can do so much as hold a candle to The Voice. Don't even try it.

Halepsova
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:25 PM
Better than Wit, she sounded like a bull with his balls hooked on a barbed wire fence:help:

She's dead. In case you didn't know that. :weirdo:

Kairi
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:41 PM
Better than Wit, she sounded like a bull with his balls hooked on a barbed wire fence:help:

Bitch, shut up and have some respect for the dead :o

StephenUK
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:51 PM
I don't think it is appropriate to say that someone's death has ruined your day, like having an argument with someone or being locked out of your house, it makes the event sound very petty and unimportant and can be forgotten about the next day. You can say that it upset you or something else but it just sounds wrong to say what Serena said. Serena should just have rephrased that comment.

But Serena did say more than that. She indicated that she had played Whitney's 'One Moment in Time' to herself to inspire her to grand slam victories. That is a far more touching and fitting tribute and interesting to show what music can mean to all sorts of people.

Novichok
Feb 22nd, 2012, 09:53 PM
I don't think it is appropriate to say that someone's death has ruined your day, like having an argument with someone or being locked out of your house, it makes the event sound very petty and unimportant and can be forgotten about the next day. You can say that it upset you or something else but it just sounds wrong to say what Serena said. Serena should just have rephrased that comment.

But Serena did say more than that. She indicated that she had played Whitney's 'One Moment in Time' to herself to inspire her to grand slam victories. That is a far more touching and fitting tribute and interesting to show what music can mean to all sorts of people.

Saying that something ruined your day pretty much implies that it upset you. :shrug:

Mistress of Evil
Feb 22nd, 2012, 10:01 PM
jrollaneres25's finest :drool:

Hurley
Feb 22nd, 2012, 10:11 PM
jrollaneres25's finest :drool:

It's just not the same without being accompanied by a shirtless YouTube :inlove:

I miss those days. :crying2:

Helen Lawson
Feb 22nd, 2012, 11:06 PM
Serena's a sensitive gal, what can you say. She feels and and loves, like CC Bloom from Beaches.

jameshazza
Feb 22nd, 2012, 11:11 PM
She may have poorly worded the phrase, but i'm sure as she was genuinely upset she wouldn't have been thinking about the fancy way of putting it, she just put her emotions out there. Besides you all know what she means, some people :o

Siderophyre
Feb 22nd, 2012, 11:13 PM
Serena's a sensitive gal, what can you say. She feels and and loves, like CC Bloom from Beaches.

So true. After all, isn't she "living, loving and working to help you"?

Dawn Marie
Feb 22nd, 2012, 11:59 PM
What is the problem with Serena's feelings here?? Hell it ruined my day too!! SMDH
This has nothing to do with being a narcissist.
Stop hatin cause Serena is popular and good at her job. When folks take words out of context you really know you made it. Hell she's been making it since she was 17. Move on already. Were all gonna die nobodys while Serena will forever be known. LOL!

VishaalMaria
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
I'm more annoyed at the fact that it's titled as "the Williams sisters"- Venus said f/cuk all like she usually does.

Tennis Ball
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:39 AM
Move this hyping of some sisters and attention seeking to non-tennis please. This subject doesn't belong here.
Plus, who wasn't mourning Whitney's death? I am still, for one.

Mrs. Peel
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:44 AM
Her choice of words could have been better, but nowhere near warranting those responses. But of course, Serena takes a breath and it has people up in arms. NID.

If she farted they would all be lining up to smell it just to say how bad it stinks. :p

It was an emotional response to a very emotional moment and it was a tweet for goodness sakes. :rolleyes: TF never ceases to amaze. The thread starter always finds a way to throw raw meat the the vultures on here. Is he a troll?

gulzhan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:46 AM
To say that the news of someone's death ruined your day is disrespectful and even cruel. Just imagine for a second this is what someone said about your death? It's worse than narcissism imo. Whoever of you tries to defend Serena here for her very insensitive tweeting, is either immature or insincere.

gulzhan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:47 AM
It was an emotional response to a very emotional moment and it was a tweet for goodness sakes.

Problem with Serena is that she doesn't know her place. She is not very good at sympathy? Well, just learn to keep your mouth shut then for God's sake!

Kairi
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:49 AM
oh STFU you're just another Anti-Serena Troll... are you guys really condemning her for a TWEET? :facepalm: PATHETIC

brickhousesupporter
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:53 AM
Problem with Serena is that she doesn't know her place. She is not very good at sympathy? Well, just learn to keep your mouth shut then for God's sake!
Exactly, where is her place?

Mrs. Peel
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:54 AM
Know her place? What place is that? Serena has more accomplishment and merits than you. Perhaps you should learn your place and realize at the end of the day your "opinion" means very little.

So I guess the other people in this thread who admitted it ruined their day are insensitive and cruel narcissists as well?

I didn't know you were the moral authority. Get over it and get over yourself. :rolleyes:

mauresmofan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:57 AM
Yes if mourning is going to your computer to type a few thoughtless words to share publicly then she must be completely devastated.

Pops Maellard
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:06 AM
Serena's...not the best tweeter :lol:.

Dawn Marie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:14 AM
To say that the news of someone's death ruined your day is disrespectful and even cruel. Just imagine for a second this is what someone said about your death? It's worse than narcissism imo. Whoever of you tries to defend Serena here for her very insensitive tweeting, is either immature or insincere.
No,to say that someone you liked growing up death has ruined your day means ONE THING ONLY. IT MEANS THAT YOU'RE SAD AND THAT YOUR FREAKIN DAY IS RUINED!! HELLO..WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE??

BY THE WAY I JUST FOUND OUT A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE PASSED AND GUESS WHAT MY DAY IS RUINED. i DONT HE WOULD BE UPSET WITH ME FOR FEELING LIKE MY DAY IS RUINED!! FRIENDS SINCE I WAS 17. :-(

Dawn Marie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:21 AM
Know her place? What place is that? Serena has more accomplishment and merits than you. Perhaps you should learn your place and realize at the end of the day your "opinion" means very little.

So I guess the other people in this thread who admitted it ruined their day are insensitive and cruel narcissists as well?

I didn't know you were the moral authority. Get over it and get over yourself. :rolleyes:
what a ignorant statement by that gizomo person. Grrrrrrrrrrr

Dawn Marie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:40 AM
And..this thread was full of trickery! Nothing in here about Venus! Grrrrrrrrr which is why I chose to pop in. :-)

Stamp Paid
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:45 AM
I think there must be something thats getting lost in translation as well.
Serena was not saying "It just ruined my day" out of exasperation - she was saying it out of devastation. Plus the #Iwillalwaysloveyou hash tag was saying "she will always love Whitney".
This explanation is just for those who are genuinely vexed by this reaction. Fuck the rest of you all. :lol:

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:51 AM
Better than Wit, she sounded like a bull with his balls hooked on a barbed wire fence:help:

are you high or something?

LoveFifteen
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:13 AM
I'm not anti-Serena or a hater. To be a great champion, you frequently need to have a big ego and be a bit of a narcissist. But writing: "Wow just wow. This has ruined my whole day" is such a self-focused tweet. It's expressed in a way that it's all about herself instead of being about Whitney. It doesn't make Serena a bad person, but I do think it shows that she's too self-involved. The very next tweet was about how Whitney's music propelled Serena's slam victories. Again, mostly focused on herself.

I can understand that Serena's biggest fans will reject my assessment and dismiss me as a bitter troll or hater. But imagine if Mariah had written nothing but "wow, this ruined my day. Whitney's songs inspired me to sing a record 10 number one singles.". See how that's a little bit self-involved?

it-girl
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:17 AM
I see nothing wrong with what she said. Whitney's death was a shock to millions & it ruined many people's day. I still can't believe she's gone. She will be missed.

tennisbum79
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:31 AM
Saying that something ruined your day pretty much implies that it upset you. :shrug:
Look, I am also a fan of Serena, but I am not 100% with her on this.

Just imagine you had a tragedy in your family and your best friend send you an IM saying that your lost ruined her/his day. How would you feel?

This was obviously poor wording, but some people seems to have no objections and think it is perfectly all right.
Well, some of us do.

Stamp Paid
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:37 AM
Look, I am also a fan of Serena, but I am not 100% with her on this.

Just imagine you had a tragedy in your family and your best friend send you an IM saying that your lost ruined her/his day. How would you feel?

This was obviously poor wording, but some people seems to have no objections and think it is perfectly all right.
Well, some of us do.Thats a horrible analogy, because the relationship between best friends is far different from fan-celebrity.
Serena probably didn't know Whitney any better than any of us do. She wasn't a friend of Whitney, so she couldn't have offered much. She spoke about how much she loved Whitney and how Whitney inspired her throughout her life. Just like most of us did who did not know her personally.
Stop being so obtuse.

shoryuken
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:04 AM
People read waaaay too much into her tweets :rolleyes:

Charlatan
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:23 AM
I'm not anti-Serena or a hater. To be a great champion, you frequently need to have a big ego and be a bit of a narcissist. But writing: "Wow just wow. This has ruined my whole day" is such a self-focused tweet. It's expressed in a way that it's all about herself instead of being about Whitney. It doesn't make Serena a bad person, but I do think it shows that she's too self-involved. The very next tweet was about how Whitney's music propelled Serena's slam victories. Again, mostly focused on herself.

I can understand that Serena's biggest fans will reject my assessment and dismiss me as a bitter troll or hater. But imagine if Mariah had written nothing but "wow, this ruined my day. Whitney's songs inspired me to sing a record 10 number one singles.". See how that's a little bit self-involved?

the comparison doesn't work that way because firstly, serena is a fan of whiteny's music, just like many of us, whereas mariah is someone who had collaborated with her before, has been in the industry just like whitney and became friends. so the relationship between serena and whitney is no more than a 'fan and celebrity' status while mariah and whitney are way closer than serena is to whitney, literally and personally.

so you just can't get into the difference between the tweets from serena and mariah. not to mention serena has hardly been someone who can articulate her thoughts into a 140-character-limited tweet. please stop reading too much into one little tweet. thanks

L'Enfant Sauvage
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:48 AM
I'm not anti-Serena or a hater. To be a great champion, you frequently need to have a big ego and be a bit of a narcissist. But writing: "Wow just wow. This has ruined my whole day" is such a self-focused tweet. It's expressed in a way that it's all about herself instead of being about Whitney. It doesn't make Serena a bad person, but I do think it shows that she's too self-involved. The very next tweet was about how Whitney's music propelled Serena's slam victories. Again, mostly focused on herself.

I can understand that Serena's biggest fans will reject my assessment and dismiss me as a bitter troll or hater. But imagine if Mariah had written nothing but "wow, this ruined my day. Whitney's songs inspired me to sing a record 18 number one singles.". See how that's a little bit self-involved?

fixed ;)

Oh, and that's not even a proper analogy. Serena didn't say "Whitney inspired me to win 13 Grand Slams." That would come off as self-plugging and yes, would be a little narcissistic. A proper comparison would have been if Mariah said "Whitney's One Moment in time has inspired me to take the stage many times" or something along those lines. At any rate, she could have chose her words better, but that says nothing about her character. She probably tweeted as soon as she found out the news, before considering the numerous ways people could take a post of under 140 characters and find some way to get offended by it. Sue her.

faboozadoo15
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:38 AM
I'm not anti-Serena or a hater. To be a great champion, you frequently need to have a big ego and be a bit of a narcissist. But writing: "Wow just wow. This has ruined my whole day" is such a self-focused tweet. It's expressed in a way that it's all about herself instead of being about Whitney. It doesn't make Serena a bad person, but I do think it shows that she's too self-involved. The very next tweet was about how Whitney's music propelled Serena's slam victories. Again, mostly focused on herself.

I can understand that Serena's biggest fans will reject my assessment and dismiss me as a bitter troll or hater. But imagine if Mariah had written nothing but "wow, this ruined my day. Whitney's songs inspired me to sing a record 10 number one singles.". See how that's a little bit self-involved?

Word. Maybe a better anaology would be if Madonna or Gaga (someone who didn't ever have a working relationship with Whitney) tweeted something like that.

I can't help but feel like it's a self-involved thing to say...

ranfurly
Feb 23rd, 2012, 06:19 AM
Meh,

People fuck their sentences up all the time, or what they say.

Big whoope, Her heart is in the right place, and that's all that matters.

Pat Bateman
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:20 AM
Serena's tweets about Whitney Houston's death show that Serena is a complete and total narcissist. :o

Serena overdramatizes and makes it all about her.

Nothing new to see here.:yawn:

Raiden
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:43 AM
The Williams Sisters Mourn Whitney's DeathBut wait a minute, if you recall Serena was in the same hotel where Whitney Houston perished. And there was a morbid party going on there. Yet Serena and the other party animals continued their feast at that creepy party, while elsewhere in the same building Whitney's warm dead body was still lying around for hours. In other words, even her self-absorbed claim that her day was ruined is debatable.

LoveFifteen
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:59 AM
For what it's worth, I already thought Serena was a self-absorbed narcissist before I read her Whitney tweets. I'm not basing my opinion on one little tweet. I'm basing it on following her career since the late 90s and following her Twitter and public statements for a long time. I'm not saying she's a heartless or evil person, but she makes things all about her.

Sam L
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:04 AM
But wait a minute, if you recall Serena was in the same hotel where Whitney Houston perished. And there was a morbid party going on there. Yet Serena and the other party animals continued their feast at that creepy party, while elsewhere in the same building Whitney's warm dead body was still lying around for hours. In other words, even her self-absorbed claim that her day was ruined is debatable.

That's a good point. I was a mess from the crying that day I had a headache and wouldn't have gone to the party (if I were a celebrity).

However, Serena saying that "One moment in time" has propelled her to slam victories does not make her a narcissist. It's a compliment. :rolleyes:

Shuji Shuriken
Feb 23rd, 2012, 11:19 AM
What's this about http://i41.tinypic.com/261yxi1.gif?

fouc
Feb 23rd, 2012, 12:27 PM
But wait a minute, if you recall Serena was in the same hotel where Whitney Houston perished. And there was a morbid party going on there. Yet Serena and the other party animals continued their feast at that creepy party, while elsewhere in the same building Whitney's warm dead body was still lying around for hours. In other words, even her self-absorbed claim that her day was ruined is debatable.
NSIS

vixter
Feb 23rd, 2012, 12:30 PM
But wait a minute, if you recall Serena was in the same hotel where Whitney Houston perished. And there was a morbid party going on there. Yet Serena and the other party animals continued their feast at that creepy party, while elsewhere in the same building Whitney's warm dead body was still lying around for hours. In other words, even her self-absorbed claim that her day was ruined is debatable.

What? Serena and the others at this party surely became aware of Whitney's death the next day or something? I find this a really tasteless post... Those vivid descriptions....:help:

Queenpova
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:05 PM
serena is not a nice person, and she keeps proving it

Raiden
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:08 PM
What? Serena and the others at this party surely became aware of Whitney's death the next day or something...No, sorry to ruin your fantasy but everyone at the party knew that same day that Whitney was dead, cuz she was pronounced dead and that was made public by the medical team that arrived. Had she been even remotely alive they would have taken her to the hospital instead of letting her stay there for hours (which they did presumably for the purpose of helping the investigation). So again, contrary to your wishful thinking everyone there knew soon enough that Whitney was dead but the self-absorbed hollywood trash that organized the party made a deliberate decision that "the show must go on". Like as if this was some sort of Olympic games or other matter of vital interest :rolleyes:

fouc
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:32 PM
lol so this party thing is for real???

LoveFifteen
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:18 PM
Clive Davis, the man who "discovered" Whitney, was throwing his annual Grammy party, and he announced at the beginning of the party, "As I am sure you have already heard, the beloved Whitney Houston has passed away." So everyone at the party had to have known from the first few moments.

JN
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:26 PM
People are so intimidated by Serena that if she said, "water is wet", there'd be someone complaining.

homogenius
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:44 PM
It ruined her day but not her party :cheer:


http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article682249.ece/BINARY/Serena+Williams,+Alicia+Keys+and+Kim+Kardashian+jp g

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:51 PM
:facepalm: man you'd think she killed a baby and ate the remains :help:

miffedmax
Feb 23rd, 2012, 03:54 PM
:facepalm: man you'd think she killed a baby and ate the remains :help:

That was LAST month.

LoveFifteen
Feb 23rd, 2012, 04:28 PM
:facepalm: man you'd think she killed a baby and ate the remains :help:

Man, you'd think you had a hero worship complex coupled with a total inability to see that your fave isn't an infallible god. :o

Apoleb
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:12 PM
A 7 page thread about some silly one-line tweet. Only on TF. :haha:

Diesel
Feb 23rd, 2012, 05:15 PM
Man, you'd think you had a hero worship complex coupled with a total inability to see that your fave isn't an infallible god. :o

This seems to be the default reaction about fans who support their favorites and it's incorrect. Particularly when it comes to Serena. It's a lazy assumption and anyone who claims to have followed Serena since the 90's would know that her fans know all about her faults and make no bones about acknowledging them. Not finding something horrible about a tweet and condemning Serena for a sentiment many felt for the past two weeks doesn't reach the burden of proof of hero worship.

Some of you claim Serena is making this about herself and some of you are clearly making this into something it isn't.

mirzalover
Feb 23rd, 2012, 07:25 PM
There is nothing wrong with what she said. She was sad Whitney died...I dont get the problem here.

Dawn Marie
Feb 23rd, 2012, 10:40 PM
the only thing that ticked me off up in here is that Venus's name was used for exploitation!! grrrrrrrrrrrrr I was looking for a Vee quote and got caught in the Siamese effect. I guess some still think it's one person with two heads! gosh darn. ;)

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 12:20 AM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

Kairi
Feb 24th, 2012, 01:26 AM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

:o
http://i44.tinypic.com/qpijrk.gif

Charlatan
Feb 24th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

http://mlkshk.com/r/3LT8

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 24th, 2012, 02:00 AM
Man, you'd think you had a hero worship complex coupled with a total inability to see that your fave isn't an infallible god. :o

:facepalm: or you people are idiots who take everything a woman says and analyse it to death to prove she needs jail and everyone should hate her

The Witch-king
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

Originally posted by JCTennisFan :confused::tape:

pav
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:47 AM
If there was a contest for the silliest thread title, this one would win by a mile!

The Kaz
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:01 AM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

This!

jameshazza
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:54 AM
This thread is still going... :facepalm:

ranfurly
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:00 AM
The important thing to come out of this, is that Barbra Streisand is the greater talent, and will go down in History as the greater of the two.

It's like comparing Martina Navratilova to Silvia Farina Elia.

Case Closed.

young_gunner913
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:02 AM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

Says the Jennifer Capriati fan. I fucking can't with this. :hysteric:

gulzhan
Feb 24th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Exactly, where is her place?

Know her place? What place is that?

Not in journalism? Even if that's just online journalism :shrug:

Everyone, even a GS champion, should be realistic about his/her strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, Serena has a problem with respecting other people. She should know that and be careful not to talk loudly and not to write publicly without her PR person screening everything for her.

JN
Feb 24th, 2012, 01:54 PM
Keep speaking your mind, Serena. Idle people will find fault with anything.

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 02:03 PM
Not in journalism? Even if that's just online journalism :shrug:

Everyone, even a GS champion, should be realistic about his/her strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, Serena has a problem with respecting other people. She should know that and be careful not to talk loudly and not to write publicly without her PR person screening everything for her.

I happen to be one of those who think it was poor choice of word by Serena.

But it seems to me, in your criticism , you, yourself, could be in need of a "PR person" who would "screen your writing" before hitting the Submit button.

Your comments "know your place" is not the most "careful", and it "talks loudly"... to use your own words

Charlatan
Feb 24th, 2012, 07:08 PM
The important thing to come out of this, is that Barbra Streisand is the greater talent, and will go down in History as the greater of the two.

It's like comparing Martina Navratilova to Silvia Farina Elia.

Case Closed.

omg..why are the replies getting more and more ridiculous? :o

Siderophyre
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:30 PM
The important thing to come out of this, is that Barbra Streisand is the greater talent, and will go down in History as the greater of the two.

It's like comparing Martina Navratilova to Silvia Farina Elia.

Case Closed.

:spit:

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 08:48 PM
Says the Jennifer Capriati fan. I fucking can't with this. :hysteric:

Just because someone has done drugs does not mean we can all lump them together in the same pot. Especially when you are comparing hard and soft drugs like Weed versus Crack cocaine.

Capriati had demons just like Whitney and just like most people in the world but the way she continued through and made something of herself is something, atleast to me, to be admired (she has since had problems but that is irrelevant to her tennis career) . Houston was constantly going on about how she was off drugs but anyone with a brain could tell she clearly was not.

Just because someone owns a gun does not mean that they are an aggressive or criminally-minded person. Like most things in life, drugs (and the reasons people use them) are not black and white but rather infinite shades of gray.

young_gunner913
Feb 24th, 2012, 09:15 PM
Just because someone has done drugs does not mean we can all lump them together in the same pot. Especially when you are comparing hard and soft drugs like Weed versus Crack cocaine.

Capriati had demons just like Whitney and just like most people in the world but the way she continued through and made something of herself is something, atleast to me, to be admired (she has since had problems but that is irrelevant to her tennis career) . Houston was constantly going on about how she was off drugs but anyone with a brain could tell she clearly was not.

Just because someone owns a gun does not mean that they are an aggressive or criminally-minded person. Like most things in life, drugs (and the reasons people use them) are not black and white but rather infinite shades of gray.

Hmmmm, pretty sure Jennifer just had a nasty little incident abusing prescription pills.

And here you are making up these excuses for Jennifer's drug abuse and you have the audacity to speak so horribly about Whtiney's? You're a disgusting piece of hypocritical shit. Both women had an addiction, struggled to over come it and make something more of themselves and both women fell off the wagon. Get off your fucking high horse.

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:16 PM
Hmmmm, pretty sure Jennifer just had a nasty little incident abusing prescription pills.

And here you are making up these excuses for Jennifer's drug abuse and you have the audacity to speak so horribly about Whtiney's? You're a disgusting piece of hypocritical shit . Both women had an addiction, struggled to over come it and make something more of themselves and both women fell off the wagon. Get off your fucking high horse.

Classy of you.... dont you remember that the person that gets fowl first loses the argument? You have already lost. The main difference between Capriati and Whitney's drug use would be that while Capriati fell off the wagon and then promptly got back on, Whitney was off the wagon for well over a decade and never had true intentions of getting back on.

And while I could completely be wrong, its possible that Jennifer could have been perscribed pain pills for one of her injuries and then got hooked when she was depressed. Its not uncommon, opiate based pain pills are given out far too readily, especially if you are famous.

young_gunner913
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Classy of you.... dont you remember that the person that gets fowl first loses the argument? You have already lost. The main difference between Capriati and Whitney's drug use would be that while Capriati fell off the wagon and then promptly got back on, Whitney was off the wagon for well over a decade and never had true intentions of getting back on.

Because what you said about Whtiney wasn't foul as fuck? You think I care about who you think "wins and loses" arguments? Hoe please. You don't know shit about what was going on in Whitney's life and what her intentions were so don't even act for a mili-second like you are sitting on privileged information.

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Because what you said about Whtiney wasn't foul as fuck? You think I care about who you think "wins and loses" arguments? Hoe please. You don't know shit about what was going on in Whitney's life and what her intentions were so don't even act for a mili-second like you are sitting on privileged information.

But obviously you must, since your defending her tooth and nail. Im guessing you were a relative of hers? ;) Anyone with half a bit of sense and no delusions would realize that she was crazy and dis-illusioned. Im not suprised your defending her though, Elvis fans constantly defended him even when he had a similar decline.

young_gunner913
Feb 24th, 2012, 10:45 PM
But obviously you must, since your defending her tooth and nail. Im guessing you were a relative of hers? ;) Anyone with half a bit of sense and no delusions would realize that she was crazy and dis-illusioned. Im not suprised your defending her though, Elvis fans constantly defended him even when he had a similar decline.

I'm defending her because your comments are tasteless and tacky as fuck. When Jennifer overdosed because her nasty, fugly boyfriend was going back into porn, I felt bad for her. I wished her well even though I don't like her one bit. It's called compassion. If Jennifer had died that day and someone came into a thread making the same comments you made, "she was a washed up drug addict" you would be going bonkers. And duh she was suffering the side effects from cocaine abuse, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that extended drug abuse destroys your brain along with the rest of your body.

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:03 PM
I'm defending her because your comments are tasteless and tacky as fuck. When Jennifer overdosed because her nasty, fugly boyfriend was going back into porn, I felt bad for her. I wished her well even though I don't like her one bit. It's called compassion. If Jennifer had died that day and someone came into a thread making the same comments you made, "she was a washed up drug addict" you would be going bonkers. And duh she was suffering the side effects from cocaine abuse, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that extended drug abuse destroys your brain along with the rest of your body.

They are honest. Honesty is often something which not everyone wants to hear, so thus it gets alot of haters. Im sorry you dont agree but what I have said in this thread is the common sense truth. Capriati hasnt died from an overdose because more than likely A.) She doesnt mess with drugs quite as hard as what whitney was B.) She doubtfully mixed them together with other drugs like whitney did and C.) she hasnt been strung out near to the level of Miss Houston and never for as long of a period either. Drug yourself up stupid for 20 years straight and it is bound to have an effect. Her stomach wasnt bloated towards the end for nothing... its called organ failure and scirosis of the liver.

brickhousesupporter
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:04 PM
Just because someone has done drugs does not mean we can all lump them together in the same pot. Especially when you are comparing hard and soft drugs like Weed versus Crack cocaine.

Capriati had demons just like Whitney and just like most people in the world but the way she continued through and made something of herself is something, atleast to me, to be admired (she has since had problems but that is irrelevant to her tennis career) . Houston was constantly going on about how she was off drugs but anyone with a brain could tell she clearly was not.

Just because someone owns a gun does not mean that they are an aggressive or criminally-minded person. Like most things in life, drugs (and the reasons people use them) are not black and white but rather infinite shades of gray.
Jennifer was a crack head. When she was arrested there was crack in the hotel room. The boy took the fall for the crack, but he said she was definitely using.

Tennis Fool
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:08 PM
Why is this thread in GM?

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:18 PM
Why is this thread in GM?
The thread has outlived its usefulness

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Jennifer was a crack head. When she was arrested there was crack in the hotel room. The boy took the fall for the crack, but he said she was definitely using.

Even if he was telling the truth (and there is no way to know if he was simply saying it to lessen his punishment... crack heads can be sketchy like that) she obviously wasnt doing it often and she was in her teens during the time. Since that arrest Capriati went on to get to #1 in the world and win 3 slams.

Houston, on the other hand, produced arguably one well-performing single after her serious drug addictions began (Its not right but its ok) for 2 decades. This was the woman that had 7 straight #1's before her drug abuse. Whitney had roughly 6 or so years of great accomplishment, then 20 years of basically nothing (though it wasnt for lack of trying. She released several more albums, all of which flopped).

So basically we have in the one hand a person who got into drugs only to go on to have her career best accomplishmets. On the other we have a person who was wildly successful only to throw it all away for drugs and honestly not appear to give a damn about it. Slightly different outcomes, dont you think?

Sam L
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:22 PM
Even if he was telling the truth (and there is no way to know if he was simply saying it to lessen his punishment... crack heads can be sketchy like that) she obviously wasnt doing it often and she was in her teens during the time. Since that arrest Capriati went on to get to #1 in the world and win 3 slams.

Houston, on the other hand, produced arguably one well-performing single after her serious drug addictions began (Its not right but its ok) for 2 decades. This was the woman that had 7 straight #1's before her drug abuse. Whitney had roughly 6 or so years of great accomplishment, then 20 years of basically nothing (though it wasnt for lack of trying, she released several more albums, all of which flopped).

You need help. Whitney Houston has touched more people in more ways than Jennifer Capriati ever had or will.

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:26 PM
You need help. Whitney Houston has touched more people in more ways than Jennifer Capriati ever had or will.

In your opinion. Your anger simply shows me that A.) You are incapable of defending why your are mad at what I said and B.) I must be hitting a soft spot otherwise you wouldnt care.

doomsday
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:28 PM
You need help. Whitney Houston has touched more people in more ways than Jennifer Capriati ever had or will.

Couldn't agree more and you will see that the day Jennifer pass away(not that I want this to happen anytime soon).

SwingVolley93
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:28 PM
why is this thread still alive :scared:

Sam L
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:29 PM
In your opinion. Your anger simply shows me that A.) You are incapable of defending why your are mad at what I said and B.) I must be hitting a soft spot otherwise you wouldnt care.
Why would I be angry? LOL. It's not my opinion, it's just obvious.

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:33 PM
Why would I be angry? LOL. It's not my opinion, it's just obvious.

You tell me. Your the one that posted a response and took the time to bad rep me for it... so obviously you dislike what I said and it irritated you. Actions speak alot louder than words.

She was a great insiriation to you, thats great. To me she was just another crazy, disillusioned famous person. We here in the USA are absolutely great at producing them.. and they all usually die with a Drug overdose.

doomsday
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:35 PM
You tell me. Your the one that posted a response and took the time to bad rep me for it... so obviously you dislike what I said and it irritated you. Actions speak alot louder than words.

She was a great insiriation to you, thats great. To me she was just another crazy, disillusioned famous person. We here in the USA are absolutely great at producing them.. and they all usually die with a Drug overdose.

And why the same cannot be applied for Jennifer to you? Because she is white :rolleyes:

Stonerpova
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:37 PM
Only JCTennisFan could turn this into a Capriati/Whitney debate :happy:

ranfurly
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:37 PM
You need help. Whitney Houston has touched more people in more ways than Jennifer Capriati ever had or will.

pretty much, Celebrities of Whitney's stature get alot more international recognition than sports stars, unless they are well known, ie Woods, Federer, Carl Lewis.

It's like comparing a Lamborghini to a Lada, we all know what both are, one's just more recognisable.

SwingVolley93
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:40 PM
Even if he was telling the truth (and there is no way to know if he was simply saying it to lessen his punishment... crack heads can be sketchy like that) she obviously wasnt doing it often and she was in her teens during the time. Since that arrest Capriati went on to get to #1 in the world and win 3 slams.

Houston, on the other hand, produced arguably one well-performing single after her serious drug addictions began (Its not right but its ok) for 2 decades. This was the woman that had 7 straight #1's before her drug abuse. Whitney had roughly 6 or so years of great accomplishment, then 20 years of basically nothing (though it wasnt for lack of trying. She released several more albums, all of which flopped).

So basically we have in the one hand a person who got into drugs only to go on to have her career best accomplishmets. On the other we have a person who was wildly successful only to throw it all away for drugs and honestly not appear to give a damn about it. Slightly different outcomes, dont you think?

:sobbing: :sobbing:

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:42 PM
Only JCTennisFan could turn this into a Capriati/Whitney debate :happy:

Actually if you read the thread through, you will see that I only started defending Capriati when people threw it in my face that I liked her. I said nothing about Capriati until other people brought it up first. Go look at the previous pages and you will see Im correct in this.

Ive noticed that whenever I bring up a topic that is touchy for some people, their response is to say "well you like Jennifer so your a hypocrite". I was simply defending my opinions. Last I checked that was laregly what this forum is about... stating your opinions on things. Obviously they usually revolve around *gasp* tennis and its' players.

young_gunner913
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:42 PM
Even if he was telling the truth (and there is no way to know if he was simply saying it to lessen his punishment... crack heads can be sketchy like that) she obviously wasnt doing it often and she was in her teens during the time. Since that arrest Capriati went on to get to #1 in the world and win 3 slams.

Houston, on the other hand, produced arguably one well-performing single after her serious drug addictions began (Its not right but its ok) for 2 decades. This was the woman that had 7 straight #1's before her drug abuse. Whitney had roughly 6 or so years of great accomplishment, then 20 years of basically nothing (though it wasnt for lack of trying. She released several more albums, all of which flopped).

So basically we have in the one hand a person who got into drugs only to go on to have her career best accomplishmets. On the other we have a person who was wildly successful only to throw it all away for drugs and honestly not appear to give a damn about it. Slightly different outcomes, dont you think?

You're such a hypocrite on so many levels. Do you not realize Jennifer was going to throw her life away because of some ugly ass, small dicked pornstar?

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:45 PM
And why the same cannot be applied for Jennifer to you? Because she is white :rolleyes:

Actually ive never said a single thing about race this entire thread. When someone brings something up unprovoked like you just did, it often times means they themselves have a problem with whatever it was that they brought up... in your case race relations.

JCTennisFan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:48 PM
You're such a hypocrite on so many levels. Do you not realize Jennifer was going to throw her life away because of some ugly ass, small dicked pornstar?

Who said I agreed with everything that Capriati does? Has she made dumbass decisions in her life? Without a doubt. Do I have to 100% agree with everything someone does for me to like and admire them? Of corse not.

And btw, it was people like Young_Gunner who brought up Capriati in the first place during this thread, not me :) .

doomsday
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:56 PM
Actually ive never said a single thing about race this entire thread. When someone brings something up unprovoked like you just did, it often times means they themselves have a problem with whatever it was that they brought up... in your case race relations.

Don't try to psychoanalyze me :lol: anyway you didn't answer to my question though and clearly you're biased on the subject beside Whitney tried to get out of this slump of hers but I guess it was more difficult than you can think. She had a lot of issues but it's certainly not true to say that she didn't want to get rid of them she was never going to be the superstar she once was but she was still not as damaged as she was let's say 4 or 5 years ago.

young_gunner913
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:58 PM
Who said I agreed with everything that Capriati does? Has she made dumbass decisions in her life? Without a doubt. Do I have to 100% agree with everything someone does for me to like and admire them? Of corse not.

And btw, it was people like Young_Gunner who brought up Capriati in the first place during this thread, not me :) .

Yet you're willing to trash talk someone who just died when the very player you support is a well known drug addict herself? :lol:

Charlatan
Feb 24th, 2012, 11:59 PM
You need help. Whitney Houston has touched more people in more ways than Jennifer Capriati ever had or will.

This :lol:

and i don't even know what his/ her intentions were in the first place to post things like that on whitney, which has nothing to do with the thread content

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:16 AM
This :lol:

and i don't even know what his/ her intentions were in the first place to post things like that on whitney, which has nothing to do with the thread content

Actually I made my original comment because several apparant Whitney fans were dogging Serena because she didnt respond about Houston's death the way "they wanted" her to. Ever since then ive just been defending myself from people whom think im a hypocrite. Thats fine with me but im not gonna just roll over and not give my 2 cents on it.

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:22 AM
Don't try to psychoanalyze me :lol: anyway you didn't answer to my question though and clearly you're biased on the subject beside Whitney tried to get out of this slump of hers but I guess it was more difficult than you can think. She had a lot of issues but it's certainly not true to say that she didn't want to get rid of them she was never going to be the superstar she once was but she was still not as damaged as she was let's say 4 or 5 years ago.

That post is awfully jumbled and incoherent. Sentence structure is important and very helpful when it comes to others' reading what you have written.

Charlatan
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Actually I made my original comment because several apparant Whitney fans were dogging Serena because she didnt respond about Houston's death the way "they wanted" her to. Ever since then ive just been defending myself from people whom think im a hypocrite. Thats fine with me but im not gonna just roll over and not give my 2 cents on it.

:scratch: it doesn't even make sense. but whatever floats your boat

doomsday
Feb 25th, 2012, 12:44 AM
That post is awfully jumbled and incoherent. Sentence structure is important and very helpful when it comes to others' reading what you have written.

Well, you're the one to blame you're giving me (us) headaches.

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:09 AM
:scratch: it doesn't even make sense. but whatever floats your boat

- "Serena's tweets about Whitney Houston's death show that Serena is a complete and total narcissist."

- "'Ruined my day?' Really? "

- "She's just SO dumb...."

I took comments like that to mean that Serena wasnt "as sad" as she should have been... which was why I posted in the thread to begin with. I could have misconstrued the intentions of the posts for sure but there were several people that didnt understand what the problem was in the first place either. Thats why I said, in effect, that Whitney was washed up and had made the bed she slept in and that it was no surprise.

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Well, you're the one to blame you're giving me (us) headaches.

That goes both ways, you do know that right? Its certaintly not a one way road, thats for sure.

young_gunner913
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:19 AM
- "Serena's tweets about Whitney Houston's death show that Serena is a complete and total narcissist."

- "'Ruined my day?' Really? "

- "She's just SO dumb...."

I took comments like that to mean that she wasnt "as sad" as she should have been... which was why I posted in the thread to begin with. I could have misconstrued the intentions of the posts for sure but there were several people that didnt understand what the problem was in the first place either. Thats why I said, in effect, that she was washed up and had made the bed she slept in and that it was no surprise.

And once again, if someone came into the thread about Jennifer's OD and said she was a washed up flop and got what she earned, you would be going bat shit crazy. So why do you feel it's appropriate to say those things about someone else? You need to stop overdosing on hypocrisy.

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:31 AM
And once again, if someone came into the thread about Jennifer's OD and said she was a washed up flop and got what she earned, you would be going bat shit crazy. So why do you feel it's appropriate to say those things about someone else? You need to stop overdosing on hypocrisy.

Your assuming that I would still like Capriati if she had acted the way Whitney did and for as long as Whitney did. Capriati has no shot of tennis again and didnt have a shot when she OD'd (due to her career threatening injuries). Houston had the music world in her hands and let it slip through her fingers... with very little fight.

She really truely had no one to blame but herself... and people like that I cant feel sorry for. She signed the biggest recording contract in history (at the time) and seemed to generally not give a fuck about her talent (I.E. voice) or composure.

ico4498
Feb 25th, 2012, 01:57 AM
I'm not anti-Serena or a hater

lol

A 7 page thread about some silly one-line tweet. Only on TF. :haha:
10 & growing!:eek:

Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman blah, blahm blah ...

get with the program, its a Rena bashing thread ... :rolleyes:

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 02:06 AM
lol


10 & growing!:eek:



get with the program, its a Rena bashing thread ... :rolleyes:

Not for the last 5 pages or so apparantly :tape: It's been Whitney Houston fans versus me... lol.

JN
Feb 25th, 2012, 03:10 AM
Classy of you.... dont you remember that the person that gets fowl first loses the argument? You have already lost. The main difference between Capriati and Whitney's drug use would be that while Capriati fell off the wagon and then promptly got back on, Whitney was off the wagon for well over a decade and never had true intentions of getting back on.

And while I could completely be wrong, its possible that Jennifer could have been perscribed pain pills for one of her injuries and then got hooked when she was depressed. Its not uncommon, opiate based pain pills are given out far too readily, especially if you are famous.

And don't you remember that the person who uses any form of the word "class" in an argument has already shown that they're on a high horse looking down? The addiction is the problem, NOT what one is addicted to. It's a mental disease/disorder not unlike any other. Until you've dealt with it personally, meaning you yourself or a loved one suffering from it, you're in no position to pass judgement on another, and even then you're not.

Addicts come from all walks of life and what they might be addicted to runs the gambit, i.e, heroin, food, sex, alcohol, prescription drugs, weed, gambling, cocaine, sex, meth, etc. And, IMO, once an addict always an addict, because as soon as you think you're cured, you can relapse in no time flat.

So, instead of trying to win an argument, why don't you realize that no 2 given people will react to the disease of addiction in the same way, and how either one or the other does is not fodder for you to cast judgement. Your time would be better spent on making sure it never gets a hold on you, while at the same time helping and/or at least empathizing with those who weren't so lucky.

Charlatan
Feb 25th, 2012, 03:15 AM
- "Serena's tweets about Whitney Houston's death show that Serena is a complete and total narcissist."

- "'Ruined my day?' Really? "

- "She's just SO dumb...."

I took comments like that to mean that Serena wasnt "as sad" as she should have been... which was why I posted in the thread to begin with. I could have misconstrued the intentions of the posts for sure but there were several people that didnt understand what the problem was in the first place either. Thats why I said, in effect, that Whitney was washed up and had made the bed she slept in and that it was no surprise.

yep, that's exactly what you just did with your first post

Sir Stefwhit
Feb 25th, 2012, 03:22 AM
This is hilarious not sure where to post it..it's not quite worthy to be included in the Whitney tribute thread so here is as good a place as any. It's a parody featuring Rihanna, Beyonce, Aretha, Dione Warwick, Mariah - and at the end a cute tribute to Whitney:

d01MF9WdsC0

JN
Feb 25th, 2012, 03:24 AM
Your assuming that I would still like Capriati if she had acted the way Whitney did and for as long as Whitney did. Capriati has no shot of tennis again and didnt have a shot when she OD'd (due to her career threatening injuries). Houston had the music world in her hands and let it slip through her fingers... with very little fight.

She really truely had no one to blame but herself... and people like that I cant feel sorry for. She signed the biggest recording contract in history (at the time) and seemed to generally not give a fuck about her talent (I.E. voice) or composure.

So, who other than herself did/does Capriati "really truely" have to blame for her initial drug use and subsequent addiction?

L'Enfant Sauvage
Feb 25th, 2012, 03:53 AM
As much as it warms my heart to see JCT stick up for Sarin(for once :o) It's not like this thread was every Whitney vs Sarin. It's just been a while since this forum had it's biweekly "Bitchrena said this so let's find a way to bash her for it" thread. Godney Houston had nothing to do with those posts, they would have been on Serena regardless.

And I don't really buy that "they made their bed so they can lay in it" mentality a lot of people have toward people struggling with addiction. I don't think you should condemn someone for making a mistake once in their life, which is essentially all it takes to have things spiral out of control in this situation. Clearly once you get addicted you don't just decide "hey gaiz, let me go to rehab now," you're no longer in a healthy state of mind. Addiction should be treated as a diseased, since that's what it is, and not someone just throwing their life away because they're in control and want to. I'd advise most people passing judgement, because it could be you, your family member or friend who makes that once mistake and winds up spending the rest of their life paying for it.

And that's besides the point anyway, afaik there was no crack/cocaine in her system when she was found, and it was just suspected to be a lethal combination of whatever she was prescribed and alcohol, which frankly can happen to anyone :shrug:

Raiden
Feb 25th, 2012, 09:03 AM
Your comments "know your place" is not the most "careful", and it "talks loudly"... to use your own wordstennisbum, you could be right that poster gulzhan may have dun it knowingly, I don't know that. But it is unreasonable of you to presume that "it talks loudly" (that somehow everyone should know the connotations of saying "know your place" towards African Americans) because that's not the case - this sensitivity is a strictly domestic US language culture unknown to the wider world.

Raiden
Feb 25th, 2012, 09:16 AM
Just because someone has done drugs does not mean we can all lump them together in the same pot. Especially when you are comparing hard and soft drugs like Weed versus Crack cocaine.

Capriati had demons just like Whitney and just like most people in the world but the way she continued through and made something of herself is something, atleast to me, to be admired (she has since had problems but that is irrelevant to her tennis career)ROFLMAO!

What a pathetic attempt at excuses! Remember that you took full swipe @ Whitney without qualification, without giving nuances and ifs and buts (you said she was a "drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself... a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head...") well, that exact nasty rude statement applies 100% to your beloved Jen Cap! :lol:

And who cares how many grams of crack Jen Cap snorted? What matters is that she was low enough to use crack in the first place (a low grade street drug that rock stars and other rich people avoid)

Amazing that you are making a complete ass out of yourself and still have no idea, you wishy-washy, two-faced, treacherous hypocrite.

sweetpeas
Feb 25th, 2012, 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by Brenda Mensah View Post
^ i'm so so so glad i do not know every single one of you in real life. It must be an absolute nightmare interacting with your pedantic, petty asses on a dailY basis. A tweet expressing sadness about a death is an issue? Really?
You said it, Brenda!



So true.It did the same thing to me.

pav
Feb 25th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Serena used to try to copy her as viewed several times on off court photo thread, just hope she doesn't copy her boozing and drug taking,but think she has more sense.

Apoleb
Feb 25th, 2012, 04:20 PM
As much as it warms my heart to see JCT stick up for Sarin(for once :o) It's not like this thread was every Whitney vs Sarin. It's just been a while since this forum had it's biweekly "Bitchrena said this so let's find a way to bash her for it" thread. Godney Houston had nothing to do with those posts, they would have been on Serena regardless.

And I don't really buy that "they made their bed so they can lay in it" mentality a lot of people have toward people struggling with addiction. I don't think you should condemn someone for making a mistake once in their life, which is essentially all it takes to have things spiral out of control in this situation. Clearly once you get addicted you don't just decide "hey gaiz, let me go to rehab now," you're no longer in a healthy state of mind. Addiction should be treated as a diseased, since that's what it is, and not someone just throwing their life away because they're in control and want to. I'd advise most people passing judgement, because it could be you, your family member or friend who makes that once mistake and winds up spending the rest of their life paying for it.

And that's besides the point anyway, afaik there was no crack/cocaine in her system when she was found, and it was just suspected to be a lethal combination of whatever she was prescribed and alcohol, which frankly can happen to anyone :shrug:

This.

It always amazes me how little sympathy people have for drug addicts, and I would guess a lot of them are addicted to other stuff like food, sex or the internet. Even Myth deserves some sympathy for turning into a coked out loser.

DemWilliamsGulls
Feb 25th, 2012, 06:17 PM
it really upset me too when I heard of her death. The funeral was epic because it was in a church home going service rather than a hollywood funeral that most people wanted. RIP whitney.

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 08:17 PM
This.

It always amazes me how little sympathy people have for drug addicts, and I would guess a lot of them are addicted to other stuff like food, sex or the internet. Even Myth deserves some sympathy for turning into a coked out loser.

I somewhat agree with you on this. In one of my earlier posts in this thread I talked about how drug use is not black and white, and that all drug addicts cannot be lumped together. In Houston's case, I simply feel like she had talent and success that most would die for, yet wasnt responsible enough to stay away from hard/highly addictive drugs.

All drugs are not the same and some (Meth, Crack, Most opiate based pills, opium, heroine) just shouldnt be messed with due to their highly addictive properties. The saying "ignorance is bliss" applies wonderfully in this respect. Entertainers by and large tend to be addictive-type personalities in the first place, so they should have enough self awareness to know not to mess with certain drugs.

Its one thing if you experiment when your a kid because you may not be mature enough to know better. However if your an adult, as in Whitney's case, you should have a bit more self-control and self-awareness.

It is also one thing if you are driven to drug addiction because of poverty, inequality, abuse, or things of that nature. It is an entirely different matter if you have the world in your hands, have more money than you could know what to do with, and could do anything in the world you wanted but chose drugs (as in whitney's case). Its not like she went on a month long binge... she was heavily drugged for most of her adult life.

Dawn Marie
Feb 25th, 2012, 08:29 PM
it really upset me too when I heard of her death. The funeral was epic because it was in a church home going service rather than a hollywood funeral that most people wanted. RIP whitney.
You dont know what you're talking about. Research and study.
most all drug users start as children. it starts with cigs. most addicts have mental health issues and they use drugs as a cover up.

Dawn Marie
Feb 25th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Hey I Was Directing My Last Post To The Jencap Fan?? Not To The Sisters Fan.

Dawn Marie
Feb 25th, 2012, 08:34 PM
Chemical Imbalances In The Brain Do Not Discriminate. Money Has Nothing To Do With It. If I Were A Doctor I Would Treat All My Drug Patients The Same. Has No Color Barrier Or Money Barrier. Jc Fan Please Do Your Research.

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 08:55 PM
Chemical Imbalances In The Brain Do Not Discriminate. Money Has Nothing To Do With It. If I Were A Doctor I Would Treat All My Drug Patients The Same. Has No Color Barrier Or Money Barrier. Jc Fan Please Do Your Research.

Actually its far from that simple. If you ask experts on drug abuse they will all agree that you have to reach a bottom before things can get better. For some people your ideas may be correct but for others you could very easily become an enabler for their drug habits. Alot of drug addicts have an enabler somewhere in their lives that helps allow them to continue their disease. Protecting them for being "chemically imbalanced" can also turn into you enabling them and saying it is ok for them to behave that way.

A similar scenario would be a dog owner who didnt think their dog crapping in the house was bad because "they dont know any better". In reality, dogs can be trained to either use the bathroom on pads or to hold it until taken outside. But the owners usually dont want to put the time into training their dog, so they simply "rationalize" the behavior as ok when in reality it can be changed.

harloo
Feb 25th, 2012, 09:00 PM
Good lord people... she was an obviously drug addicted washed up woman whom was a shadow of herself. She was a great singer (before she completely destroyed... and I mean destroyed it) but a crazy ass woman who let fame and its' success completely goto her head. I mean it was hardly surprising when she bit the dust.

Even drug addicted Whitney will still be more relevant and legendary than the has been druggie of a player you stan for. You should be more worried about Jennifer's mental health than sitting on a message board trashing a dead celebrity.;)

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 09:03 PM
Even drug addicted Whitney will still be more relevant and legendary than the has been druggie of a player you stan for. You should be more worried about Jennifer's mental health than sitting on a message board trashing a dead celebrity.;)

You are entitled to your opinion.... I just dont agree with it is all. ;) From what ive heard Capriati is supposed to play an exhibition with Nav, Seles, and MJ in the Bahamas soon so she must not be doing too horribly.

Dawn Marie
Feb 25th, 2012, 09:18 PM
Whitneys drug use was all over the media. Jcap isnt in the media. U just dont get it.
One can play in tourneys but still be a user. Whitney can appear clean and be a user????

JCTennisFan
Feb 25th, 2012, 09:26 PM
Whitneys drug use was all over the media. Jcap isnt in the media. U just dont get it.
One can play in tourneys but still be a user. Whitney can appear clean and be a user????

I like how you failed to respond to how your way of thinking can potentially be enabling to drug users, actually making their situations worse.

Apoleb
Feb 26th, 2012, 04:48 AM
Hey I Was Directing My Last Post To The Jencap Fan?? Not To The Sisters Fan.

Chemical Imbalances In The Brain Do Not Discriminate. Money Has Nothing To Do With It. If I Were A Doctor I Would Treat All My Drug Patients The Same. Has No Color Barrier Or Money Barrier. Jc Fan Please Do Your Research.

You dont know what you're talking about. Research and study.
most all drug users start as children. it starts with cigs. most addicts have mental health issues and they use drugs as a cover up.

Dawn Marie, one of my all time favorite posters on this board, is back. :worship:

Mistress of Evil
Feb 26th, 2012, 01:32 PM
Maxwell closes tons of threads on a daily basis, yet this one is still opened :hysteric:

The Dawntreader
Feb 26th, 2012, 01:35 PM
Maxwell closes tons of threads on a daily basis, yet this one is still opened :hysteric:

Mod fail.

StoneRose
Feb 26th, 2012, 01:48 PM
Indeed, this has nothing to do with tennis whatsoever. At least move it to the Whitney forum if it even exists.

allhailwilliams
Feb 26th, 2012, 02:36 PM
Better than Wit, she sounded like a bull with his balls hooked on a barbed wire fence:help:
oh jeez, not another irrelevant european.:eek: i'll take whitney over any non-relevant loser in your sig. go f another sheep why dont u.:bounce:

StoneRose
Feb 26th, 2012, 04:04 PM
What has all this to do with being European? Unfortunately there are many Whitney fans in Europa.

JCTennisFan
Feb 26th, 2012, 08:07 PM
oh jeez, not another irrelevant european.:eek: i'll take whitney over any non-relevant loser in your sig. go f another sheep why dont u.:bounce:

Lol.... I cant stop posting in this thread because of questionable posts like this... its just too good to pass up. You'd rather listen to whitney Houston? Did you hear what she sounded like for the past few years? I can guarantee you after 15 mintues you'd be bleeding out the ears (maybe not that bad but you'd have a headache). Im fairly confident that I could sing her songs better than she could towards the end.

Novichok
Feb 26th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Lol.... I cant stop posting in this thread because of questionable posts like this... its just too good to pass up. You'd rather listen to whitney Houston? Did you hear what she sounded like for the past few years? I can guarantee you after 15 mintues you'd be bleeding out the ears (maybe not that bad but you'd have a headache). Im fairly confident that I could sing her songs better than she could towards the end.

That poster didn't say that he'd rather listen to Whitney's recent live performances. :shrug:

JCTennisFan
Feb 26th, 2012, 08:24 PM
That poster didn't say that he'd rather listen to Whitney's recent live performances. :shrug:

Well he also said he wanted the poster to go "fuck a sheep" so there is no telling what he meant....

L'Enfant Sauvage
Feb 26th, 2012, 08:57 PM
JC, with all due respect I'd advise you to stop posting in this thread. With each response you paint yourself in an even worse light, from lacking compassion in your first post to downright idiotic in your more recent bunch. Not to mention dragging that mess into the "worst losses" thread. You come across as a very petty individual desperate for arguments to bring yourself attention. It's pathetic.

JCTennisFan
Feb 26th, 2012, 09:03 PM
JC, with all due respect I'd advise you to stop posting in this thread. With each response you paint yourself in an even worse light, from lacking compassion in your first post to downright idiotic in your more recent bunch. Not to mention dragging that mess into the "worst losses" thread. You come across as a very petty individual desperate for arguments to bring yourself attention. It's pathetic.

Passive-aggressive much? Last I checked this was not a popularity contest...

I come on here to speak my mind... usually about tennis. You can believe what you want but that does not mean that I will react differently because of it. :wavey: I wouldn't be surprised if you and Young_Gunner were one in the same ;)

L'Enfant Sauvage
Feb 26th, 2012, 09:26 PM
Passive-aggressive much? Last I checked this was not a popularity contest...

I come on here to speak my mind... usually about tennis. You can believe what you want but that does not mean that I will react differently because of it. :wavey: I wouldn't be surprised if you and Young_Gunner were one in the same ;)

There was nothing passive about my post, actually :lol: Your last few posts show that you're not only a moron, but you have such low self esteem, most likely because no one pays enough attention to you in your real "life" that you need to seek it out on a message board by making ridiculously dumb posts. It shows how worthless you actually are :awww:

JCTennisFan
Feb 26th, 2012, 10:56 PM
There was nothing passive about my post, actually :lol: Your last few posts show that you're not only a moron, but you have such low self esteem, most likely because no one pays enough attention to you in your real "life" that you need to seek it out on a message board by making ridiculously dumb posts. It shows how worthless you actually are :awww:

Yet again, just like I told Young_gunner, you are projecting your thoughts onto me. Some of us have jobs that have a computer.... and when there isnt anything important going on we can use them! :wavey:

Notice how the insults are not in my posts but instead they are in yours. I presume your tactic is to throw insults at someone when your argument fails.

edificio
Feb 27th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Why is this thread still here, still open?

Rocketta
Feb 27th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Good Lord, this thread hasn't been locked yet? :confused: :lol: