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Jane Lane
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:03 PM
Nid.

RenaSlam.
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:04 PM
http://www.wysdqz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/retire.jpg

Noctis
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:04 PM
Money money money

FORZA SARITA
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:05 PM
didn't even get a BP :lol:
Foretz 2-0 @ 2,00 :drool:
god bless Oudin

spiceboy
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:05 PM
Honestly, I'm not one of these guys asking players to retire, but...what's the point on collecting 1st round losses everywhere? Why not trying to regroup, spend some months out of the Tour and work on her game/change team/whatever???

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvwlfmGkWP1qazkdco1_500.gif

nevetssllim
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:07 PM
didn't even get a BP :lol:
Foretz 2-0 @ 2,00 :drool:
god bless Oudin

Seriously? I got Foretz 2-0 at 2.75!

RR-87
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:09 PM
Mel :oh:

tennisbuddy12
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:09 PM
Honestly, I'm not one of these guys asking players to retire, but...what's the point on collecting 1st round losses everywhere? Why not trying to regroup, spend some months out of the Tour and work on her game/change team/whatever???

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvwlfmGkWP1qazkdco1_500.gif

It's all mental. She has gotten fitter, joined the USTA's program and moved to Boca Raton. She can't win the big points. Only 5 points separating them in the 1st set.

Valanga
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:10 PM
She hasn't won a WTA MD match, has she?

Sombrerero loco
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:10 PM
so expected. does she still have a ranking?

matty
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:11 PM
http://www.wysdqz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/retire.jpg

Why would she want to retire--she can squeak out a living even at this level. I'd rather be playing tennis in the sunshine in Florida at the USTA training center and traveling to far off resorts then drudging away at a 9-5 job. She's made quite a bit of money in the past--most likely owns her own home and car (probably purchased with cash). I doubt you have it so good.

Gdsimmons
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:12 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5e9iB.gif

the jamierbelyea
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:12 PM
Honestly, I'm not one of these guys asking players to retire, but...what's the point on collecting 1st round losses everywhere? Why not trying to regroup, spend some months out of the Tour and work on her game/change team/whatever???

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvwlfmGkWP1qazkdco1_500.gif

Even though she still has a sponsorship with Wilson, I still think the 1R loss paycheck can come into play too. Sometimes we forget that the lower ranked players have money on their mind just the same if not more than the ranking points.

SHILIN-GOAT
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:23 PM
this is a new low even for Oudin

scandic78
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:28 PM
http://www.wysdqz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/retire.jpg

Grow up, for fucks sake :wavey:

Gilas.
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:41 PM
As long as she keeps getting wildcards to WTA tournament MDs where she does not belong to (at least ATM), this will keep on happening.

If the problem is mental, I doubt getting destroyed left and right will help. She should really consider taking a rreeally long break, get back to match fitness, and learn to leave her personal issues out off the court.

FORZA SARITA
Feb 21st, 2012, 06:45 PM
it's not like her losses are close, she doesn't even win sets :ignore:

Inger67
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:01 PM
Oudin :sobbing:

Adrian.
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:04 PM
New low? :lol:
surely not, the loss against Puchkova was even worse :o :haha: :o

seriously, get the fucking ass off the tour and spent some time training or doing sth. completly different and come back for the FO or just fucking retire...:o

Mistress of Evil
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:20 PM
Poor little midget :hug:

Meelis
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:26 PM
She hasn't won a WTA MD match, has she?

Last WTA MD win happened when Amanmuradova retired in Dallas R1.

Has not won a match (or any sets) since September.

spiceboy
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:28 PM
seriously, get the fucking ass off the tour and spent some time training or doing sth. completly different and come back for the FO

She won't even have a ranking good enough to enter qualies there :oh:

Adrian.
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:33 PM
She won't even have a ranking good enough to enter qualies there :oh:

Maybe she will get a WC as slam winner :oh:

theFutureisNow
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:36 PM
Why would she want to retire--she can squeak out a living even at this level. I'd rather be playing tennis in the sunshine in Florida at the USTA training center and traveling to far off resorts then drudging away at a 9-5 job. She's made quite a bit of money in the past--most likely owns her own home and car (probably purchased with cash). I doubt you have it so good.

But would she rather get embarrassed each week and not make any money doing it? Even if she would, how long can she keep it up though?

Last year almost all of her money was made from first round losses in tournaments she is unlikely to qualify for this year. We were discussing the break even point to make money in tennis in a thread and the average guess was 200th. Oudin is ranked 210th now and might drop further.

I guess she can rob her sponsors for another year or two, but what then?

SVK
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:39 PM
Foretz can play on fast courts, not like she is great there or some kind of significant fast court specialist, but also not that hopeless. Of course Oudin´s loss would be expected probably against any player in the draw right now.

spiceboy
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:41 PM
Maybe she will get a WC as slam winner :oh:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzsq3DUDQ1qc14q0.gif

Melange
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:42 PM
Melanie

Sammo
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:44 PM
Just as I everybody predicted.

Fantasy Hero
Feb 21st, 2012, 07:59 PM
Poor Melanie :awww: i know what's like and it's not easy at all

JCTennisFan
Feb 21st, 2012, 08:35 PM
Oudin is such a great example of how if a draw falls apart and your lucky enough, you can potentially way overperform. A defensive grinder who makes alot of errors? Lol thats not a good combination... there is a reason why very little players have a gamestyle like that..... it by and large doesnt work.

donellcarey
Feb 21st, 2012, 09:41 PM
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brickhousesupporter
Feb 21st, 2012, 09:51 PM
Why would she want to retire--she can squeak out a living even at this level. I'd rather be playing tennis in the sunshine in Florida at the USTA training center and traveling to far off resorts then drudging away at a 9-5 job. She's made quite a bit of money in the past--most likely owns her own home and car (probably purchased with cash). I doubt you have it so good.
Exactly, she can still make a confortable living flopping in the first rounds. If she retires, what is she going to do? She doesn't seem very smart so what would be the point of retiring and going to college and earning a meager living. This way she can collect a six figure plus salary for at least 10 years and retire with more than most Americans.

moodin0931
Feb 21st, 2012, 09:55 PM
Plus she is doing well in doubles so she figures why not try singles in these tournaments as well? :shrug:

Mel can probably make a living off her doubles anyway. :p

Pops Maellard
Feb 21st, 2012, 09:55 PM
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theFutureisNow
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:01 PM
Exactly, she can still make a confortable living flopping in the first rounds. If she retires, what is she going to do? She doesn't seem very smart so what would be the point of retiring and going to college and earning a meager living. This way she can collect a six figure plus salary for at least 10 years and retire with more than most Americans.

No she can't. She isn't even going to qualify for any real tournaments at this rate.

She has not made any money from even the small tournaments in the last year.

Her only choice is to get significantly better or retire.

Kairi
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:14 PM
Believe..............................

ranfurly
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:15 PM
Exactly, she can still make a confortable living flopping in the first rounds. If she retires, what is she going to do? She doesn't seem very smart so what would be the point of retiring and going to college and earning a meager living. This way she can collect a six figure plus salary for at least 10 years and retire with more than most Americans.

I understand, but it all sounds very well and good, but eventually participating in a competitive sport and not advancing at any rate or stage is eventually going to become to grueling to even bother with, considering she has had the QF and the Mixed Double's wins, so I don't believe she will be content with just being a player dicking it around in the 300-400 mark for her career.

eh..whatever the reason is, these results are pretty vulgar anyhoo.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:09 PM
The biggest thing that Melanie has going for is that she is part of the USTA Training Program for the entire 2012 season. If they can rehabilitate her game and mental fortitude, she will be fine. They have a year to do it. Even if it doesn't translate into her results to the extent that they want and they decide not to provide free coaching again for 2013, she can at least take that and move forward with someone else.

For all the hate Melanie gets here, I don't really think anyone can argue that her biggest problem is mental, not technical. She's losing in the first round of 25K's now, the same kinds of matches she was winning as a 15-16 year old. She didn't have an injury and you don't just forget how to play tennis like that. If nothing else, she should be a top 100 staple.

killerqueen
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:10 PM
Poor poor Melanie. I can't not feel sorry her - she just can't seem to do anything right on court these days. :(

matty
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:12 PM
I understand, but it all sounds very well and good, but eventually participating in a competitive sport and not advancing at any rate or stage is eventually going to become to grueling to even bother with

She's only like 20/21 yrs old--I'm sure she can hang with it for a good while--look how long many people stay at jobs they hate just to pay the bills--and I seriously doubt she hates tennis---at least not entirely.

She's not going anywhere anytime soon--that's my prediction anyhow.

scandic78
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:13 AM
She's only like 20/21 yrs old--I'm sure she can hang with it for a good while--look how long many people stay at jobs they hate just to pay the bills--and I seriously doubt she hates tennis---at least not entirely.

She's not going anywhere anytime soon--that's my prediction anyhow.

Exactly. She can play through this or take a break. Too many idiots on here screaming 'retire' as soon as a player hits the rocks. She can come back strong as she's only young. Let's talk our tennis players up people, not bash them or mock them. So much hate and ridicule on this forum it does get worrying sometimes :rolleyes:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:21 AM
At least she has the courage to pursue her dream, so good luck to her. No matter if she makes it or not, that's definitely more admirable than standing at the sidelines and making cynical remarks about her.

RenaSlam.
Feb 22nd, 2012, 01:06 AM
You people act like she will always be ranked high enough to get INTO certain tournaments and collect 1R prize money.

SMDH.

sammy01
Feb 22nd, 2012, 01:59 AM
tragic, though she still has more slams than caro :oh:

shoparound
Feb 22nd, 2012, 02:06 AM
Oudin is such a great example of how if a draw falls apart and your lucky enough, you can potentially way overperform. A defensive grinder who makes alot of errors? Lol thats not a good combination... there is a reason why very little players have a gamestyle like that..... it by and large doesnt work.

Ivanovic is probably the better example of that looking at her draw in the FO 08.
Oudin had at least some dangerous competition in '09 Wimbledon and US Open.

AYUMI-GOAT
Feb 22nd, 2012, 04:57 AM
:happy:

CrossCourt~Rally
Feb 22nd, 2012, 05:55 AM
I love Mel and all, but we really need to give more respect to Steph :cool:

faboozadoo15
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:43 AM
Oudin is such a great example of how if a draw falls apart and your lucky enough, you can potentially way overperform. A defensive grinder who makes alot of errors? Lol thats not a good combination... there is a reason why very little players have a gamestyle like that..... it by and large doesnt work.

:confused: Whenever Mel had good results, she was beating good players ranked much higher than she was. Draws didn't "fall apart" for her.

I feel badly for her after what she's been through. I really think she's a talented player who is way off track.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:07 AM
New low? :lol:
surely not, the loss against Puchkova was even worse :o :haha: :o

seriously, get the fucking ass off the tour and spent some time training or doing sth. completly different and come back for the FO or just fucking retire...:o

I would have to agree. This is not a "new low". It's been almost a decade but Foretz Gacon dealt Seles a pretty embarrassing lost that happened to become straw that broke the camel's back for Seles.

For the people who are telling Oudin to retire, I have one thing to say:
Do you see the irony in a lost like this?

Honestly when I watched Stephanie defeat Seles 10 years ago, I really thought she had potential. She struggled for years after that upset and considered retiring and becoming a permanent tennis broadcaster.

Here she is at the age of 30, still grinding out with good possibility of eclipsing her career high from 9 years ago.

Perhaps we have overestimated Oudin's potential but retiring when she can easily become a perennial journeywomen just by getting a few kinks out of her game, is absurd.

bbjpa
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:05 PM
Mel is lucky , no 10K in USA until may. She has time to rest :lol:

Imperfect Angel
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:08 PM
I believed in Foretz since the start.:haha: Bye overrated Oudin.:oh:

Valanga
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:11 PM
tragic, though she still has more slams than caro :oh:

No you didn't :sobbing:

fouc
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:20 PM
No you didn't :sobbing:

And no she doesn't.

Lulu.
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:54 PM
For once I rooted for her to win. :o

Excelscior
Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:59 PM
I feel bad for her.

I hope she can at least hover around the top 65-100, but it doesn't seem like she'll be able to do that.

Unfortunately in Tennis (unlike Team Sports), if you're the 200th best player in the world; unless you're on your way up/young, you're an also ran!!!

Melanie's time seems to be running out?

Oh well.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 22nd, 2012, 01:07 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5e9iB.gif

:happy:

wildemu
Feb 22nd, 2012, 02:21 PM
i don't feel sorry for her one bit. She was way too arrogant for her own good, and if she achieves the same type of success people are pulling her for, we'll see her annoying attitude everywhere again. Not to mention the come on's she always did, this is a blessing.

Aravanecaravan
Feb 22nd, 2012, 02:45 PM
. Let's talk our tennis players up people, not bash them or mock them. So much hate and ridicule on this forum it does get worrying sometimes :rolleyes:

For some reason, it makes insecure people feel better to step on others when they are down. All of life is like that, though, sadly. Not just tennis.

pov
Feb 22nd, 2012, 02:56 PM
Exactly, she can still make a confortable living flopping in the first rounds. If she retires, what is she going to do? She doesn't seem very smart so what would be the point of retiring and going to college and earning a meager living. This way she can collect a six figure plus salary for at least 10 years and retire with more than most Americans.

So far this year she's made less than $5,000 in prize money. Unless she changes something that's not going to be near 6 figures. IMO Oudin has the tools to at least keep a top 50 ranking.

moodin0931
Feb 22nd, 2012, 03:10 PM
i don't feel sorry for her one bit. She was way too arrogant for her own good, and if she achieves the same type of success people are pulling her for, we'll see her annoying attitude everywhere again. Not to mention the come on's she always did, this is a blessing.

:happy:

wildemu
Feb 22nd, 2012, 03:42 PM
Believe..............................

lol, people still use this? Even as a non-fan, this is incredibly old. What's next, a knock-knock joke?

SoClose
Feb 22nd, 2012, 03:59 PM
Mel what happened to you ? Get your act togheter :armed:

matty
Feb 22nd, 2012, 04:15 PM
So far this year she's made less than $5,000 in prize money.

It's only February!

Melange
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:13 PM
Melanie Oudin will be playing qf doubles good chance to increase the $5,000 in prize money.

Adrian.
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:38 PM
It's only February!

Even Domachowska has more...:bigwave:

Juju Nostalgique
Feb 22nd, 2012, 07:16 PM
5 games? :spit: Steph was a bit rusty right? :lol:

Randy H
Feb 22nd, 2012, 11:16 PM
I would have to agree. This is not a "new low". It's been almost a decade but Foretz Gacon dealt Seles a pretty embarrassing lost that happened to become straw that broke the camel's back for Seles.

For the people who are telling Oudin to retire, I have one thing to say:
Do you see the irony in a lost like this?

Honestly when I watched Stephanie defeat Seles 10 years ago, I really thought she had potential. She struggled for years after that upset and considered retiring and becoming a permanent tennis broadcaster.

Here she is at the age of 30, still grinding out with good possibility of eclipsing her career high from 9 years ago.

Perhaps we have overestimated Oudin's potential but retiring when she can easily become a perennial journeywomen just by getting a few kinks out of her game, is absurd.

So true - Not an Oudin fan myself, but all of this retirement talk is absurd at this point. She's still young, and I've seen plenty of people go through slumps and find a way to rebound back up to this level again. Way too early to write her off.

I was actually at Charleston the year Stephanie made it to the quarterfinals and remember watching her beat Monica, she also crushed Conchita Martinez along the way too. I too remember thinking that she had the potential to be a solid top 50 player, possibly even crack the top 30, but it didn't happen for her. That being said, she's done well to keep her ranking floating around long enough to play a lot of slams, and make this a full time living for her which is probably a testimony to her perseverence more than anything. I have a lot of respect for her, and I definitely think that Oudin is capable of at least the same results as Foretz if not better.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Feb 23rd, 2012, 12:11 AM
So true - Not an Oudin fan myself, but all of this retirement talk is absurd at this point. She's still young, and I've seen plenty of people go through slumps and find a way to rebound back up to this level again. Way too early to write her off.

I was actually at Charleston the year Stephanie made it to the quarterfinals and remember watching her beat Monica, she also crushed Conchita Martinez along the way too. I too remember thinking that she had the potential to be a solid top 50 player, possibly even crack the top 30, but it didn't happen for her. That being said, she's done well to keep her ranking floating around long enough to play a lot of slams, and make this a full time living for her which is probably a testimony to her perseverence more than anything. I have a lot of respect for her, and I definitely think that Oudin is capable of at least the same results as Foretz if not better.

Agreed. It's just a question of how much Melanie wants it and how much she, ahem, believed all the hype she got. People were talking about her that US Open like she was the second coming of Chris Evert. If she's willing to put in the hard yards, there are plenty of players without serious weapons in their game who can spend a decade floating between 70-110 in the ranks. If she think she's Slam-winning material, she won't put up with results like these for more than a couple of years before stopping. And she WOULD stop, most likely. Say what you want about her family, but it's not a Samantha Stevenson situation by any stretch where the mother is dragging the daughter along.

Mrs. Peel
Feb 23rd, 2012, 01:48 AM
I don't think she should retire as she def. has potential. She should just take a break go to a monastery and meditate for awhile. It is obvious that she is mentally fucked right now.

matty
Feb 23rd, 2012, 02:13 AM
Even Domachowska has more...:bigwave:

uhhh--you sure you really want to go there, dude.

How about these stats: Oudin: $973,000 at 20 yrs old, slam QF, career high: 31
Domachowska: $1,000,300 at 26 yrs old, slam 4th round, career high: 37

I guess I have to point this stuff out when you make such a dumb comment and follow it up with that snotty wave emoticon.

:kiss:

Adrian.
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:53 AM
uhhh--you sure you really want to go there, dude.

How about these stats: Oudin: $973,000 at 20 yrs old, slam QF, career high: 31
Domachowska: $1,000,300 at 26 yrs old, slam 4th round, career high: 37

I guess I have to point this stuff out when you make such a dumb comment and follow it up with that snotty wave emoticon.

:kiss:

:facepalm: