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roelc
Feb 20th, 2012, 09:49 PM
It has happened so many times now: Venus and Serena being on the entry list for an international tournament (MM) and a few days before the tournament start, they announce they can't play due to a new injury.
In the meanwhile tournament organizers portrayed them as big shot for the tournament, could sell tickets and get sponsors. Too bad for tennis fans who paid tickets and wanted to see them. For a small tournament it's important to have such a big name on the list.

For me it 's clear that the Williams sisters (as much as I respect them) usually have no intention of playing there. But do organizers know too? Do Venus or Serena (or their management) make some sort of agreement that organizers can use the brand "Williams" as advertisement for the tournament, knowing that they will not participate? How much does this cost? And more importantly: does WTA know?

Some examples that come to mind is Venus: Auckland, Serena: Linz, Monterrey
Let's wait for Kuala Lumpur...

I really don't want to have a go at Venus or Serena, and I hope this doesn't turn into a bashing thread. It would just be nice to have more insight in what really happens.

Mightymirza
Feb 20th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Serena Bangalore :lol: . From what I read, they had no clue what was coming :lol: (they should have done their HW)

Barktra
Feb 20th, 2012, 09:53 PM
Serena Bangalore :lol: . From what I read, they had no clue what was coming :lol: (they should have done their HW)

But didn't she play there in 08 and won :shrug:

roelc
Feb 20th, 2012, 09:55 PM
But didn't she play there in 08 and won :shrug:

final against Venus I think ;)

I don't say everything is one big scam, but lately it's too much imo.

Talula
Feb 20th, 2012, 10:07 PM
3. The whole World knows!

On a serious note, I think their stock is declining. Rapidly. I noticed last year at Eastbourne and Wimbledon a degree of indifference/not bothered in the spectators/fans I hadn't noticed before. I saw both at Eastbourne and was very excited they were there, but I noticed most other spectators were not that bothered and were actually cheering their opponents.

I think the more they withdraw from tournaments the less popular they become and their appearances are not as awaited/applauded as they once were.

GeeTee
Feb 20th, 2012, 10:09 PM
Where is the option for:

x) Two weeks out, organisers of 200k event finally realise they can't afford $1.5 bazillion in appearance money

StephenUK
Feb 20th, 2012, 10:38 PM
I really don't know, that's why someone needs to expose what's really going on. A warts and all biog of the Williams family would be brilliant - Serena's autobiography didn't even mention Richard and Oracene's divorce, more like Stalina than Serena in terms of propaganda! What's Kitty Kelley up to these days?

Petkorazzi
Feb 20th, 2012, 10:48 PM
But Serena is actually in Monterrey. :shrug: Why would she bother to trravel there?

ptkten
Feb 20th, 2012, 11:21 PM
Venus often plays in the international tournaments she entered, she's just pulled out of everything this year so it's not like it has anything to do with the level of tournament with her. Venus has supported the regular tour quite frequently so it irritates me when people say otherwise. People just have short memories.

Serena, on the other hand, I don't know the answer for.

cowsonice
Feb 21st, 2012, 12:17 AM
But Serena is actually in Monterrey. :shrug: Why would she bother to trravel there?

Publicity commitments

Jane Lane
Feb 21st, 2012, 12:47 AM
I really don't know, that's why someone needs to expose what's really going on. A warts and all biog of the Williams family would be brilliant - Serena's autobiography didn't even mention Richard and Oracene's divorce, more like Stalina than Serena in terms of propaganda! What's Kitty Kelley up to these days?

http://www.thecontrarianmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Conspiracy.jpg

Why didn't NA-MUG make this thread?

edificio
Feb 21st, 2012, 02:50 AM
It has happened so many times now: Venus and Serena being on the entry list for an international tournament (MM) and a few days before the tournament start, they announce they can't play due to a new injury.
In the meanwhile tournament organizers portrayed them as big shot for the tournament, could sell tickets and get sponsors. Too bad for tennis fans who paid tickets and wanted to see them. For a small tournament it's important to have such a big name on the list.

For me it 's clear that the Williams sisters (as much as I respect them) usually have no intention of playing there. But do organizers know too? Do Venus or Serena (or their management) make some sort of agreement that organizers can use the brand "Williams" as advertisement for the tournament, knowing that they will not participate? How much does this cost? And more importantly: does WTA know?

Some examples that come to mind is Venus: Auckland, Serena: Linz, Monterrey
Let's wait for Kuala Lumpur...

I really don't want to have a go at Venus or Serena, and I hope this doesn't turn into a bashing thread. It would just be nice to have more insight in what really happens.

So, um, what is your beef? You are dying to see Serena Williams and Venus Williams play at an International tournament? You don't like that tournament directors want to sell tickets?

I mean, seriously, both Serena and Venus are getting older, and as well Venus has Sjogren's syndrome, which basically causes fatigue and muscle ache--they are not going to be playing as many tournaments as they once did. In any case, both of them have played small tournaments before (Marbella, Guadalajara/Monterrey [can't remember which], etc.).

Are you looking for some kind of collusion so you can file a class-action lawsuit? What? Tournament directors want to sell tickets. They invite a big name and hope to god they show. If not, well, they sold some tickets. Tennis goes on! :shrug:

donellcarey
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:07 AM
final against Venus I think ;)

I don't say everything is one big scam, but lately it's too much imo.
It was against Patty Schnyder.

Moveyourfeet
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:44 AM
Family decision

Charlatan
Feb 21st, 2012, 04:05 AM
final against Venus I think ;)

I don't say everything is one big scam, but lately it's too much imo.

no, she played against venus in SF..final was against schnyder

tanman
Feb 21st, 2012, 04:32 AM
So, um, what is your beef? You are dying to see Serena Williams and Venus Williams play at an International tournament? You don't like that tournament directors want to sell tickets?

I mean, seriously, both Serena and Venus are getting older, and as well Venus has Sjogren's syndrome, which basically causes fatigue and muscle ache--they are not going to be playing as many tournaments as they once did. In any case, both of them have played small tournaments before (Marbella, Guadalajara/Monterrey [can't remember which], etc.).

Are you looking for some kind of collusion so you can file a class-action lawsuit? What? Tournament directors want to sell tickets. They invite a big name and hope to god they show. If not, well, they sold some tickets. Tennis goes on! :shrug:

I guess some people dont like to be lied too.

hellas719
Feb 21st, 2012, 04:34 AM
I think people over exaggerate :shrug:
I don't think this was the case fr Auckland, because Auckland always gets great crowds anyways :shrug:

Pops Maellard
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:11 AM
I don't know, but I'm sick of it (and I'm a Vee fan).

nevetssllim
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:20 AM
I don't know, but I'm sick of it (and I'm a Vee fan). Maybe they shouldn't decide so early when they're going to enter an event.

Well, you know, there are entry deadlines for tournaments.

StephenUK
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:24 AM
I love the way that Williams fans defend the sisters over this but aren't they the people most likely to be disappointed if they bought a ticket to an event on the strength of the sisters' entry only for them to pull out? :confused:

I've seen both sisters play live, so I am not bothered, would never count on them showing up for WTA Tour events really....

doujyr
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:32 AM
it's a bit like pre-publicity of jennifer aniston films, topless scene or not? then it never materializes. eventually public gets sick of it.

AliceMariaRenka
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:51 AM
I believe the organisers and WTA are well aware of the sisters' unpredictability by now. And if some organisers aren't then what are they doing in charge of tournaments?!

AliceMariaRenka
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:54 AM
[QUOTE=doujyr;20991363]ieventually public gets sick of it.[/QUOTE

I agree, I think people are in general now bored with it and are more interested in other players now. I guess it happens to everyone the public tires of.

StephenUK
Feb 21st, 2012, 10:54 AM
I also find it odd that Serena can be pictured hitting a ball with Gisela Dulko in a swimming pool in a pre-publicity event but can't play in the tournament. She is clearly not that injured or she would have her foot up, wouldn't she?

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:13 AM
3. The whole World knows!

On a serious note, I think their stock is declining. Rapidly. I noticed last year at Eastbourne and Wimbledon a degree of indifference/not bothered in the spectators/fans I hadn't noticed before. I saw both at Eastbourne and was very excited they were there, but I noticed most other spectators were not that bothered and were actually cheering their opponents.

I think the more they withdraw from tournaments the less popular they become and their appearances are not as awaited/applauded as they once were.

that was happening even when they were at their respective "peeks"

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:15 AM
I also find it odd that Serena can be pictured hitting a ball with Gisela Dulko in a swimming pool in a pre-publicity event but can't play in the tournament. She is clearly not that injured or she would have her foot up, wouldn't she?

she had "spider tech" tape on the same ankle, just like in Australia...she's injured not crippled...I wear that same tape

The Witch-king
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:18 AM
3. The whole World knows!

On a serious note, I think their stock is declining. Rapidly. I noticed last year at Eastbourne and Wimbledon a degree of indifference/not bothered in the spectators/fans I hadn't noticed before. I saw both at Eastbourne and was very excited they were there, but I noticed most other spectators were not that bothered and were actually cheering their opponents.

I think the more they withdraw from tournaments the less popular they become and their appearances are not as awaited/applauded as they once were.
Imagine that. Spectators cheering for Williams Sister opponents. I could never fathom...:scared:


I really don't know, that's why someone needs to expose what's really going on. A warts and all biog of the Williams family would be brilliant - Serena's autobiography didn't even mention Richard and Oracene's divorce, more like Stalina than Serena in terms of propaganda! What's Kitty Kelley up to these days?
It did actually.

doujyr
Feb 21st, 2012, 11:51 AM
it's a bit like pre-publicity of jennifer aniston films, topless scene or not? then it never materializes. eventually public gets sick of it.

not only that, but they'll get so old no one will want too see them any more (the ws and jen's breasts! :devil:)

Viennalover
Feb 21st, 2012, 02:26 PM
But Serena is actually in Monterrey. :shrug: Why would she bother to trravel there?

Sightseeing with hospitality. :wavey:

pov
Feb 21st, 2012, 02:47 PM
I really don't want to have a go at Venus or Serena, and I hope this doesn't turn into a bashing thread. It would just be nice to have more insight in what really happens.
A poll getting the opinions of posters here will give insight into what really happens? Really?

roelc
Feb 21st, 2012, 02:57 PM
A poll getting the opinions of posters here will give insight into what really happens? Really?

the poll is there to give an overview of what people think.
insight can be given by posting a message.

pov
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:07 PM
insight can be given by posting a message.
:eek: You think someone posting what they think on this issue gives insight? Are you serious? It's in-sight. Unless someone here is, or has been, inside the WS, WTA or major tournament circles, or knows such a person, the messages they post are also just what they think.

Mightymirza
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:24 PM
But didn't she play there in 08 and won :shrug:

2007 ;). Both sisters showed up next year though.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:30 PM
2007 ;). Both sisters showed up next year though.

serena didn't play between AO and miami 07...it was 08

V-MAC
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:39 PM
Wasn't Bangalore a tier II event at the time though?

roelc
Feb 21st, 2012, 03:56 PM
:eek: You think someone posting what they think on this issue gives insight? Are you serious? It's in-sight. Unless someone here is, or has been, inside the WS, WTA or major tournament circles, or knows such a person, the messages they post are also just what they think.

as u say, IN-SIDERS can

roelc
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:11 AM
and a few days before the tournament of Kuala Lumpur kicks off, there s the announcement that Venus will not play...

Sombrerero loco
Feb 23rd, 2012, 08:20 AM
first or second option for sure

terjw
Feb 23rd, 2012, 09:09 AM
:eek: You think someone posting what they think on this issue gives insight? Are you serious? It's in-sight. Unless someone here is, or has been, inside the WS, WTA or major tournament circles, or knows such a person, the messages they post are also just what they think.

Yep - funny that posters here think their uninformed opinions count for anything at all. What I would say is if the reason is not the last in the poll and they skip for any reasons 1 to 3 colluding in order to dishonestly sell tickets - then they are a disgrace and unprofessional.

Of course that does not mean to say that they shouldn't pull out for injuries which they would not pull out for if it were a slam or even a big tournament like Miami. But any of this collusion nonsense to sell tickets is really right in the area of unethical behaviour by businesses which is being stamped on, and employees and contractors have to sign to say they have read understood the ethical behaviour expected of them and the law.