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Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:37 AM
I have a feeling that the pressure maybe haven't gotten to her yet. The more she keeps up this wining streak, the more pressure will build upon her. As she keeps on winning, people will expect more and more of her and eventually I think she'll fold. Especially since she's not the strongest girl on tour mentally. I mean looking at her last 5 tournaments it's been quite impressive, her only loss was a close 3 setter to Kvitova at the YEC. How long can she keep this up before her fragile body or brain give out?

Luxembourg - W
YEC - F
Sydney - W
AO - W
Doha - F/W?

SwingVolley93
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:37 AM
soon very soon..I think in IW or Miami...where the pressure is really on. :)

plokploky
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:43 AM
She'll carry on doing well until the end of miami, and the clay courts will allow for different tactics against and that is when her dominance will be over. At least I hope so:oh:

Noctis
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:54 AM
What Pressure.she isn't like Carolina.

SwingVolley93
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:56 AM
no...watch and see if not IW shes going out early in her fav. Miami. She'll lose to someone like Kerber or Cetkovska. Watch :kiss:

Jane Lane
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:57 AM
no...watch and see if not IW shes going out early in her fav. Miami. She'll lose to someone like Kerber or Cetkovska. Watch :kiss:

Aga already did that for her.

SwingVolley93
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:58 AM
So? your point is...
Erakovic :oh:

Wiggly
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:00 AM
She should act as as true number one and stop her silly "celebration" everytime she destroys a mediocre journeywoman.

JCTennisFan
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:34 AM
She will definitely be feeling it by the Time the French starts.. unless her form takes a nosedive before that time.

Galang
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:55 AM
I actually don't think she will. She'll dip off a bit during the clay season but nothing too major, like VIP

dynamoRockstarr
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:21 AM
I really think she's feeling very confident but has yet to run into anyone that will give her a hard time. She's the hottest player at the moment. Let's see until another big tourney where there will be better competition for her.

young_gunner913
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:23 AM
IMO, not much longer. We'll see how she does in IW. Miami is where the real competition will be.

mac47
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:26 AM
If you mean to suggest that Vika is too physically fragile to keep winning every tournament, then fine.

But if you think the streak is going to get to her mentally, I doubt it.

King Halep
Feb 19th, 2012, 05:26 AM
I have a feeling that the pressure maybe haven't gotten to her yet. The more she keeps up this wining streak, the more pressure will build upon her. As she keeps on winning, people will expect more and more of her and eventually I think she'll fold. Especially since she's not the strongest girl on tour mentally. I mean looking at her last 5 tournaments it's been quite impressive, her only loss was a close 3 setter to Kvitova at the YEC. How long can she keep this up before her fragile body or brain give out?



that 3 setter wasnt close

stromatolite
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:11 AM
I don't really expect a mental meltdown, but the laws of TF dictate that the whole purpose of praising her into the heavens as some kind of invincible wonderwoman is so that it is then so much more satifying to lay the boot in when it turns out she's only human after all.

I am a bit more concerned about how she's managing her schedule. I don't think she has yet adjusted to the fact that she's winning a much higher proportion of matches than she used to. If she doesn't want her body to break down she should cut back on the number of tournaments she's playing. It would make sense for her to pull out of Dubai now, but it would have made even more sense, and been fairer to the fans and the tournament organisers, for her never to have entered it.

Cp6uja
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:34 AM
I expect of Azarenka end of WTA#1 TOP5 level tennis in April - but not because pressure or something like that - but simple thanks to surface change! About 90% of everything very good and big which she ever make so far during pro-career is connected with medium-fast hardcourts or with Indoors, so between April and September will come tough times for Vika even if she continued to produce career best tennis!


Victoria Azarenka career achievements on MEDIUM-FAST HC surface and INDOORS: Australian Open winner (mfHC), Miami 2xWinner (mfHC), Moscow winner (I), runner-up of YEC(I) and Madrid(I).
On other tournaments where belong about 70% of WTA tour events hers best result is tier-II title in Stanford on fast-HC, which is also hers biggest final if we not count medium-fast or indoors events. That is weak achievements for any TOP10 player, not only #1 - but because hers medium-fast HC and Indoors results are so great, and because current state in womens tennis - she reach #1.

Brad[le]y.
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:47 AM
no...watch and see if not IW shes going out early in her fav. Miami. She'll lose to someone like Kerber or Cetkovska. Watch :kiss:

An Aga fan could not have chosen two worse players to mention :spit:

DemiCrayanhan
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:55 AM
pressure? what pressure? she's playing freer now then ever.

Lord Choc Ice
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:04 AM
I expect of Azarenka end of WTA#1 TOP5 level tennis in April - but not because pressure or something like that - but simple thanks to surface change! About 90% of everything very good and big which she ever make so far during pro-career is connected with medium-fast hardcourts or with Indoors, so between April and September will come tough times for Vika even if she continued to produce career best tennis!


Victoria Azarenka career achievements on MEDIUM-FAST HC surface and INDOORS: Australian Open winner (mfHC), Miami 2xWinner (mfHC), Moscow winner (I), runner-up of YEC(I) and Madrid(I).
On other tournaments where belong about 70% of WTA tour events hers best result is tier-II title in Stanford on fast-HC, which is also hers biggest final if we not count medium-fast or indoors events. That is weak achievements for any TOP10 player, not only #1 - but because hers medium-fast HC and Indoors results are so great, and because current state in womens tennis - she reach #1.

There's no way AO is a medium-fast hardcourt :lol:. It's pretty much blue clay these days.

StoneRose
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:34 AM
She'll cope with the pressure mentally, she improved a lot in over the years in this respect. Physically she's fitter than she used to be as well but she may need to cut down on number of tournaments.

I expect Vika won't be so dominant on clay, hope she proves me wrong.

doomsday
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:40 AM
Why are you even waiting this? I swear noone wants a real N1 around here or what? We had Wozniacki for 2 years and she damaged us/herself and women's tennis more than enough, we need a real N1 Azarenka can certainly do a great job but first she needs to be a lil more reasonable with her schedule there is no need to play Dubai especially if she wins Doha today.

StoneRose
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:00 AM
If the ankle's not 100% she'll withdraw from Dubai.

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:02 AM
wut pressure? :lol: she is in best place a player ever can be. She is winning and the media kissing her ass. Thats not pressure, more like even bigger booster to her.

right now everything depends on when she´ll be out of gas, mentally or physically. Til then she is flying high on confidence, on her best surface (and she isnt a clay mug either), while the competition is licking their wounds. She couldnt care less about "pressure" right now.

Andy.
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:09 AM
What pressure? the pressure is off. She has won a slam and is number 1. I doubt anyone thinks she will win the Grand Slam or have a Djokovic 2011 type season. I think she is riding a wave of confidence and wouldnt could a loss as foldinf under the pressure.

doomsday
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:13 AM
If the ankle's not 100% she'll withdraw from Dubai.

Ankle fine or not she should withdraw.

StoneRose
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:19 AM
^Probably , but if you're 100% fit, not tired and on a great streak it might be tempting to play. Even then taking some rest might indeed be a good idea, a lot of tournaments coming up.

Apoleb
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:21 AM
Azarenka is the perfect example of "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger".

She had some horrible losses and chokes early on in her career, the loss in Austrlia to Serena, her fainting against Serena when she was leading, the fainting in the USO, her choke against Safina at RG. Almost choking against Maria and coming back 0-2 down.. She learned from these experiences and bounced back. All of this mean she won't have much trouble handling the pressure of the new situation she's in.

powerbackhand
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:24 AM
I expect of Azarenka end of WTA#1 TOP5 level tennis in April - but not because pressure or something like that - but simple thanks to surface change! About 90% of everything very good and big which she ever make so far during pro-career is connected with medium-fast hardcourts or with Indoors, so between April and September will come tough times for Vika even if she continued to produce career best tennis!


Victoria Azarenka career achievements on MEDIUM-FAST HC surface and INDOORS: Australian Open winner (mfHC), Miami 2xWinner (mfHC), Moscow winner (I), runner-up of YEC(I) and Madrid(I).
On other tournaments where belong about 70% of WTA tour events hers best result is tier-II title in Stanford on fast-HC, which is also hers biggest final if we not count medium-fast or indoors events. That is weak achievements for any TOP10 player, not only #1 - but because hers medium-fast HC and Indoors results are so great, and because current state in womens tennis - she reach #1.

Azarenka played some very high quality tennis last year on clay, grass and on American outdoor hardcourt, and is more than capable of winning titles on any of these surfaces. Since Azarenka became a top 10er she has played a full clay scheudle for only 2 seasons (2009, 2011). In 2009 she reached RG QF, Rome SF and in 2011 she won a title, again reached QF in RG and played finals in Madrid. There is no doubt she can play top5 tennis on this surface. Both 2009 and 2011 clay results were worthy of a top 10 player. Again on grass, her results are a lot more impressive than you suggest. She has recorded strong results on grass in the last three seasons in 2009 reached Wimby QF, 2010 reached Eastbourne final and lost in Petra at Wimbledon. 2011, she reached SF and was arguably the 2nd best player in the draw. She has also played some tennis in American summer hardcourts in the past 2 seasons. In 2010 she won a tournament and reached Toronto SF(where she retired).She lost 2nd round in Usopen but everybody knows why that is. In 2011, her results on paper are poor with only 1SF but she ran into Serena x2. However, I believe her 2nd set against Serena in Us open was extremely high quality of play. I also dont think that the court in Doha is that much different from some of the summer American hardcourt courts and she is playing pretty well this week. So, all in all I think Azarenka is a much more complete all surface player than you are trying to convey.

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:45 AM
I'm loving the part when our world 1# player is acting as one, and winning tournaments left and right :yeah:. She has no pressure actually. But lets wait for Indian Wells and Miami to see if she plays at this level.

ivanban
Feb 19th, 2012, 10:05 AM
IMO she's completely opposite of Caro. Being #1 will make her even louder more confident :tears:

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 10:40 AM
What pressure?

She's mentally stronger and confident. No, she won't crack. She'll most probably get tired, but she definitely WON'T crack and I respect her for that. I'm not a fan, but she deserves everything - she's worked damn hard (like the rest of them), but it's worked with her.

Congratulations and good luck to her.

terjw
Feb 19th, 2012, 11:06 AM
A better question is how long can she keep her winning strreak up and keep her #1. I couldn't care less about whether someone waffles it's because of pressure or any other reason they dream up as if fact. That's for the woulda coulda crowd who often seem to be more interested in that and their opinions than reality and matches and the results.

My guess is based more on what I've seen over the last decade that it won't last. The only times I've seen a winning streak and dominance kept up for a whole calendar year are Justine in 2007 and Serena in 2002-2003. And in those cases - those two players were head and shoulders above everyone else. I remember Momo at the start of 2006. She dominated for like 3 months. Then Justine and Sharapova started winning. All three players were the players of 2006. But for Momo - it was made up mostly from the first half of the year.

Vika is playing well now - but is she head and shoulders better than everyone else? The odds are surely against her being able to maintain a winning streak and the #1 over the whole year. She might do it - but the odds are against it.

NeKo
Feb 19th, 2012, 11:31 AM
no...watch and see if not IW shes going out early in her fav. Miami. She'll lose to someone like Kerber or Cetkovska. Watch :kiss:

are you trying to humiliate yourself? Azarenka isn't Radwanska or Kvitova. Well, Radwanska is just a bad player, I don't know if she's a mentally strong player, because she is bad anyway, Kvitova is a very good player, but she is not strong mentally.

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 11:38 AM
Azarenka is the perfect example of "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger".

She had some horrible losses and chokes early on in her career, the loss in Austrlia to Serena, her fainting against Serena when she was leading, the fainting in the USO, her choke against Safina at RG. Almost choking against Maria and coming back 0-2 down.. She learned from these experiences and bounced back. All of this mean she won't have much trouble handling the pressure of the new situation she's in.
Don't forget all those lost WTA finals (one of which she had MPs against Arn but choked), the epic choke to Kuznetsova in Miami '08, etc...

Vika is actually very impressive in this regard. I can't think of many other players who have been able to keep their careers going and gradually improve like Azarenka has done after so many mental and physical setbacks.

Cp6uja
Feb 19th, 2012, 11:40 AM
I expect of Azarenka end of WTA#1 TOP5 level tennis in April - but not because pressure or something like that - but simple thanks to surface change! About 90% of everything very good and big which she ever make so far during pro-career is connected with medium-fast hardcourts or with Indoors, so between April and September will come tough times for Vika even if she continued to produce career best tennis!


Victoria Azarenka career achievements on MEDIUM-FAST HC surface and INDOORS: Australian Open winner (mfHC), Miami 2xWinner (mfHC), Moscow winner (I), runner-up of YEC(I) and Madrid(I).
On other tournaments where belong about 70% of WTA tour events hers best result is tier-II title in Stanford on fast-HC, which is also hers biggest final if we not count medium-fast or indoors events. That is weak achievements for any TOP10 player, not only #1 - but because hers medium-fast HC and Indoors results are so great, and because current state in womens tennis - she reach #1.Azarenka played some very high quality tennis last year on clay, grass and on American outdoor hardcourt, and is more than capable of winning titles on any of these surfaces. Since Azarenka became a top 10er she has played a full clay scheudle for only 2 seasons (2009, 2011). In 2009 she reached RG QF, Rome SF and in 2011 she won a title, again reached QF in RG and played finals in Madrid. There is no doubt she can play top5 tennis on this surface. Both 2009 and 2011 clay results were worthy of a top 10 player. Again on grass, her results are a lot more impressive than you suggest. She has recorded strong results on grass in the last three seasons in 2009 reached Wimby QF, 2010 reached Eastbourne final and lost in Petra at Wimbledon. 2011, she reached SF and was arguably the 2nd best player in the draw. She has also played some tennis in American summer hardcourts in the past 2 seasons. In 2010 she won a tournament and reached Toronto SF(where she retired).She lost 2nd round in Usopen but everybody knows why that is. In 2011, her results on paper are poor with only 1SF but she ran into Serena x2. However, I believe her 2nd set against Serena in Us open was extremely high quality of play. I also dont think that the court in Doha is that much different from some of the summer American hardcourt courts and she is playing pretty well this week. So, all in all I think Azarenka is a much more complete all surface player than you are trying to convey.There is nothing so far in her claycourt results which prove hers ability for TOP5 performance. At French Open hers h2h vs TOP16 seeds is pathetic 1-6 (beat only in-slump Ivanovic), and she reach final at Madrid last season, but that is indoors event and also she is so lucky to not face any TOP25 opponent on road to that final.

So like I say - Vika maybe continue to produce career best tennis, but that will not be enough for even close results on clay like she have on medium-fast hardcourts where she announced #1 ability already in 2009 when beat GOATrena in Miami final and almost beat same opponent (eventual champion) in Melbourne that season (forced to withdraw due injury when leading 1:0 in sets).

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 11:45 AM
There is nothing so far in her claycourt results which prove hers ability for TOP5 performance. At French Open hers h2h vs TOP16 seeds is pathetic 1-6 (beat only in-slump Ivanovic), and she reach final at Madrid last season, but that is indoors event and also she is so lucky to not face any TOP25 opponent on road to that final.

So like I say - Vika maybe continue to produce career best tennis, but that will not be enough for even close results on clay like she have on medium-fast hardcourts where she announced #1 ability already in 2009 when beat GOATrena in Miami final and almost beat same opponent (eventual champion) in Melbourne that season (forced to withdraw due injury when leading 1:0 in sets).
She is as capable on clay as any other top 10 player at this point. Only Li, Stosur and Sharapova have better results than her in for example RG, but the former two hit a purple patch in their careers at that time. Plus Azarenka has enjoyed laying beatdowns on Stosur and Sharapova in the past. Azarenka's game translates to every surface with ease, she does not struggle on clay. She moves/slides quite well on the dirt.

Vikapower
Feb 19th, 2012, 11:47 AM
I have a feeling that the pressure maybe haven't gotten to her yet. The more she keeps up this wining streak, the more pressure will build upon her. As she keeps on winning, people will expect more and more of her and eventually I think she'll fold. Especially since she's not the strongest girl on tour mentally. I mean looking at her last 5 tournaments it's been quite impressive, her only loss was a close 3 setter to Kvitova at the YEC. How long can she keep this up before her fragile body or brain give out?

Luxembourg - W
YEC - F
Sydney - W
AO - W
Doha - F/W?

:shrug: I guess you have parts of the answer you want by Victoria herself and her actions reflects her words and mentality the last few days, I guess (?). People need to realize that Victoria knows what is to have heavy expectations on her, there's been since 2009 - there'll be no post-slam slump, slump just short, she's not scared etc... but people can always hope.

In Doha :

Q. Are there moments where you say to yourself, Wow, I'm No. 1? It's sometimes hard to realize?
VICTORIA AZARENKA: You know, I have so many questions about that now that I think you guys realize it more than me, because, I mean, as I said, it's just a number. Of course it's a great feeling to have, but also a lot of responsibility and pressure, I would say, comes with it.
But, you know, as I said before, I worked really hard to achieve this moment and I enjoy this position, but I still have to remember to work hard, because there is a lot of girls behind me who wants to chase me and be at my spot.

Q. You mentioned the pressure. Do you feel it sometimes? Can you be precise about when? Like maybe earlier today, earlier in the match today, rather slow start.
VICTORIA AZARENKA: No, I wouldn't say I feel pressure. I mean, it really depends on how well you take it, you know. You can put a lot of pressure on yourself. Somebody can put a lot of pressure on you.
Me, I try to, you know, go out and be the best player I can be out there. You know, I'm not thinking about numbers. I'm not thinking about proving something to somebody. I'm just trying to do the best job as possible. And sometimes it's gonna be good enough; sometimes it may not be good enough. But I don't want to have regrets when I go on the court. So that's the most important thing for me.

Q. Is it always a policy to take match by match? You don't worry about meeting different players in the tournament?
VICTORIA AZARENKA: No. I mean, it's not really up to me. Whoever is in the draw is in the draw, you know. I have to play against them. I'm not scared or I don't want to run away from my opponents. I'm just gonna go out there and face them.

IMO, not much longer. We'll see how she does in IW. Miami is where the real competition will be.

You just have the capacity to say [...] :lol: -- she's won Miami 2 times and could be the 6th player in Open Era to win the 5th slam 2 times and more, the 4th to win it at least 3 times.

Like she's really that scared of the competition in her tournament she's been owning 2 of the last 3 times. Keep the trolling youngster.

Patrick345
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:12 PM
What pressure? the pressure is off. She has won a slam and is number 1. I doubt anyone thinks she will win the Grand Slam or have a Djokovic 2011 type season. I think she is riding a wave of confidence and wouldnt could a loss as foldinf under the pressure.

Exactly. Basically everything has clicked for her in that moment. She is using her slice backhand and dropshots. Point construction is near flawless. The angles, the power, the depth of her serve and groundstrokes is at an all time high right now. She plays 10% better just because she won in Melbourne.

It brings up an interesting discussion point, namely HOW crucial is it to win your first or second Slam final (like a Azarenka, Kvitova, Stosur, Na Li) for a career path, especially for #1 players. How different does Jankovic develop, if she wins the US Open. She would have never messed with her game in the off-season. What about Wozniacki? Yes it would have been a very easy draw to her first Slam, but the general public wouldn´t have cared. Her 15 months at the top become much more relaxed.

Now Kvitova and Azarenka have more game than Wozniacki and Jankovic, but once you have that first Slam title it changes everything. Anyone talking about Azarenka´s shrieking this week? In tennis winning a Slam has become the free out of jail card. Once you are in the club you can get away with murder.

powerbackhand
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:13 PM
There is nothing so far in her claycourt results which prove hers ability for TOP5 performance. At French Open hers h2h vs TOP16 seeds is pathetic 1-6 (beat only in-slump Ivanovic), and she reach final at Madrid last season, but that is indoors event and also she is so lucky to not face any TOP25 opponent on road to that final.

So like I say - Vika maybe continue to produce career best tennis, but that will not be enough for even close results on clay like she have on medium-fast hardcourts where she announced #1 ability already in 2009 when beat GOATrena in Miami final and almost beat same opponent (eventual champion) in Melbourne that season (forced to withdraw due injury when leading 1:0 in sets).

No, her record against top 16 seeds at RG is 1-3. In 2008 she lost to Kuznetsova in 2 sets (after beating Schiavone 61 61). In 2009 she lost Safina and beat Ivanovic(playing very well in both matches). In 2011 she lost to eventual champion Li Na.

Also, Madrid is played outdoor?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yvx9f6vV10

doomsday
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:22 PM
She is as capable on clay as any other top 10 player at this point. Only Li, Stosur and Sharapova have better results than her in for example RG, but the former two hit a purple patch in their careers at that time. Plus Azarenka has enjoyed laying beatdowns on Stosur and Sharapova in the past. Azarenka's game translates to every surface with ease, she does not struggle on clay. She moves/slides quite well on the dirt.

On HC so not relevant at all. If there is one surface she is not really the fave over Maria and Stosur this is clay.

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:33 PM
On HC so not relevant at all. If there is one surface she is not really the fave over Maria and Stosur this is clay.
As if clay is going to change that much about the match-up with Stosur. Azarenka simply takes the ball way too early for the topspin to kick in, regardless of the surface, and she'll just redirect everything into Stosur's BH. She was already a set away from beating Sharapova on clay (who was arguably in her best form of the year at that point) before getting injured and having to retire.

Edy.
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:42 PM
I am so proud of her and think she'll do great in the clay season. She hasn't been no.1 for a long time now, but to me it's clear she is handling it really well. Remained humble, not overthinking the position, staying concentrated and focused and taking it one match at the time.

She'll be on the top for a long time if she remains healthy imo.

stromatolite
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Win or lose today and/or the coming weeks and months Vika has no reason to be anything but proud of what she has achieved. She has worked really hard to get her game to a point where she really is the best player in the world right now. She's not going to win every single match she plays this year, but she will be very hard to beat on any surface. Great to see a player setting such a high standard for the others to try to aspire to. If she loses the #1 I think that will be because someone else has raised their game, not because she suddenly goes crazy under all the supposed pressure on her.

Petronius
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:03 PM
Forget the past, Viktoria will never lose a match, she's by far the best player in the world :worship:

This has never happened:

10/28/2009 15:05 C. Wozniacki - V. Azarenka 2 : 1 (1 : 6) (6 : 4) (7 : 5)
10/01/2010 06:05 C. Wozniacki - V. Azarenka 2 : 1 (6 : 2) (6 : 7) (6 : 4)
03/17/2011 19:05 C. Wozniacki - V. Azarenka 1 : 0 (3 : 0)

06/26/2010 13:05 P. Kvitova - V. Azarenka 2 : 0 (7 : 5) (6 : 0)
05/08/2011 15:35 V. Azarenka - P. Kvitova 0 : 2 (6 : 7) (4 : 6)
06/30/2011 14:05 V. Azarenka - P. Kvitova 1 : 2 (1 : 6) (6 : 3) (2 : 6)
10/30/2011 16:05 P. Kvitova - V. Azarenka 2 : 1 (7 : 5) (4 : 6) (6 : 3)

06/30/2009 16:50 V. Azarenka - S. Williams 0 : 2 (2 : 6) (3 : 6)
01/27/2010 04:20 S. Williams - V. Azarenka 2 : 1 (4 : 6) (7 : 6) (6 : 2)
08/14/2011 00:35 V. Azarenka - S. Williams 0 : 2 (3 : 6) (3 : 6)
09/03/2011 22:10 V. Azarenka - S. Williams 0 : 2 (1 : 6) (6 : 7)

TOTAL SCORE: 0-11

doomsday
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:10 PM
As if clay is going to change that much about the match-up with Stosur. Azarenka simply takes the ball way too early for the topspin to kick in, regardless of the surface, and she'll just redirect everything into Stosur's BH. She was already a set away from beating Sharapova on clay (who was arguably in her best form of the year at that point) before getting injured and having to retire.

I agree but if there is one surface where Stosur has more chances this is clay beside you prolly noticed that despite winning the first set over Pova in Rome their encounter was more tight than it is on HC these days.

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:13 PM
I agree but if there is one surface where Stosur has more chances this is clay
Probably yeah.

Mistress of Evil
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:17 PM
Such a soulless servant of The Satan as The Shrieking Demon has no clue what pressure is, let alone feel it (it does not feel anything, in general). :shrug:

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:21 PM
are you trying to humiliate yourself? Azarenka isn't Radwanska or Kvitova. Well, Radwanska is just a bad player, I don't know if she's a mentally strong player, because she is bad anyway, Kvitova is a very good player, but she is not strong mentally.

This is rich coming from an Azarenka fan (or someone stanning for her).

How long did it take Azarenka to get her emotions under control and finally make a Major semifinal last year (cake walk draw) and win a final this year (with another cake walk quarterfinal draw)? How long? What about her crazy retirements, and telling her Grandma she wanted to quit tennis, etc.? Are you serious? Lol

Azarenka's been a top player for years, and her biggest problem was always her emotion. That's what's held her back. Now she goes on a streak for 6+ weeks, and she's got the steely will of Steffi Graf? Give it a break. You need to be more fair and balanced (not to sound like Fox News). Lol

How many matches has this strong willed Azarenka lost to the alleged mentally unstable Kvitova? How about 4 in a row. And it was Vika that was crying, bitching and complaining after the first 2 in a row (Wimby 2010 and Madrid), till she resigned herself to the fact she can't beat her, and became a fan in Wimby 2011 and the WTA Final. So just chill with that nonsense. Vika's no mental giant. And she certainly doesn't act mature. She still looks mentally unstable to me (with all her histrionics after any win). And I'm sure the first beat down she receives by an aggressive player may bring it all back. This is all for the moment. Let her enjoy it.

PS: Petra, Li Na and Stosur have different kind of games (their shot makers that require more timing and placement). Vika's essentially a backboard. And all those players live in their respective countries (unlike Vika), and had to face a whole lot more scrutiny and adulation then Vika ever would in Monte Carlo and/or the United States. It's not the same. Vika kinda snuck in under the Radar, cause everyone (the press, odds makers, betting fans, etc.) was picking/expecting Petra to win her second major and be number one, and/or Serena her 14th, Clijsters her 6th. So right now, I don't feel there's any real pressure on her, cause the media hasn't taken her seriously yet. We may endlessly speculate/talk about it here. But their still waiting for more tennis to be played. They all been through these type of starts before, to see said player ultimately fade.

Moral of the story. Don't knock other younger, more mentally strong players, just to compliment a historically weaker one, who's currently managing expectations. Good for her! But things change so fast in sports. Like another poster noted, we might be saying "Vika who, and what did she do again", by the end of the year!? Stay tuned.

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:25 PM
This is rich coming from an Azarenka fan (or someone stanning for her).

How long did it take Azarenka to get her emotions under control and finally make a Major semifinal last year (cake walk draw) and win a final this year (with another cake walk quarterfinal draw)? How long?

Azarenka's been a top player for years, and her biggest problem was always her emotion. Now she goes on a streak for 2 mos, and she's got the will of Steffi Graf? Give it a break.

How many matches has this strong willed Azarenka lost to the alleged mentally unstable Kvitova? How about 4 in a row. And it was Vika that was crying, bitching and complaining after the first 2 in a row (Wimby 2010 and Madrid), till she resigned herself to the fact she can't beat her, and became a fan in Wimby and WTA Final. So just chill with that nonsense. Vika's no mental giant.

She still looks mentally unstable to me (with all her histrionics after any win). And I'm sure the first beat down she receives by an aggressive player may bring it all back. This is all for the moment.

PS: Petra, Li Na and Stosur have different kind of games (their shot makers that require more timing). Vika's essentially a backboard. And all those players live in their respective countries (unlike Vika), and had to face a whole lot more scrutiny and adulation then Vika ever would in Monte Carlo and/or the United States. It's not the same.

Don't knock other, more mentally strong players, just to compliment another historically weaker one.

:yeah:

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:26 PM
are you trying to humiliate yourself? Azarenka isn't Radwanska or Kvitova. Well, Radwanska is just a bad player, I don't know if she's a mentally strong player, because she is bad anyway, Kvitova is a very good player, but she is not strong mentally.

you mad? :help:

Siderophyre
Feb 19th, 2012, 01:51 PM
When will Vika fold under the pressure?? When hell freezes over. She'll fold due to injury if history is any indication.

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Exactly. Basically everything has clicked for her in that moment. She is using her slice backhand and dropshots. Point construction is near flawless. The angles, the power, the depth of her serve and groundstrokes is at an all time high right now. She plays 10% better just because she won in Melbourne.

It brings up an interesting discussion point, namely HOW crucial is it to win your first or second Slam final (like a Azarenka, Kvitova, Stosur, Na Li) for a career path, especially for #1 players. How different does Jankovic develop, if she wins the US Open. She would have never messed with her game in the off-season. What about Wozniacki? Yes it would have been a very easy draw to her first Slam, but the general public wouldn´t have cared. Her 15 months at the top become much more relaxed.

Now Kvitova and Azarenka have more game than Wozniacki and Jankovic, but once you have that first Slam title it changes everything. Anyone talking about Azarenka´s shrieking this week? In tennis winning a Slam has become the free out of jail card. Once you are in the club you can get away with murder.

yup. this.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:33 PM
By the time of Indian Wells. She won't be getting mediocre to easy draws anymore and everyone will be after her wig. She doesn't have an upper hand against top players and doesn't possess any kind of invincible aura.
I think she'll have a hard time defending Miami and most probably will fail.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:44 PM
Exactly. Basically everything has clicked for her in that moment. She is using her slice backhand and dropshots. Point construction is near flawless. The angles, the power, the depth of her serve and groundstrokes is at an all time high right now. She plays 10% better just because she won in Melbourne.

It brings up an interesting discussion point, namely HOW crucial is it to win your first or second Slam final (like a Azarenka, Kvitova, Stosur, Na Li) for a career path, especially for #1 players. How different does Jankovic develop, if she wins the US Open. She would have never messed with her game in the off-season. What about Wozniacki? Yes it would have been a very easy draw to her first Slam, but the general public wouldn´t have cared. Her 15 months at the top become much more relaxed.

Now Kvitova and Azarenka have more game than Wozniacki and Jankovic, but once you have that first Slam title it changes everything. Anyone talking about Azarenka´s shrieking this week? In tennis winning a Slam has become the free out of jail card. Once you are in the club you can get away with murder.

Nope, having a slam in tennis means that there will be more expectations about their performance than before. And as recent history shows many players who won a slam did not meet those expectations. Kvitova is one of examples of that. She had a good shot at no1 last season and what happened? Instead of going on a great winning streak she has folded like a stack of cards and in the beginning of this season failed to seize her chance yet again.
Grand slam doesn't mean one is a world beater. If she doesn't find a way of maintaing good form during the season things can turn around quickly.

Patrick345
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:47 PM
By the time of Indian Wells. She won't be getting mediocre to easy draws anymore and everyone will be after her wig. She doesn't have an upper hand against top players and doesn't possess any kind of invincible aura.
I think she'll have a hard time defending Miami and most probably will fail.

..and you tool have the audacity to complain about Wozniacki haters. Trying to bait people with your stupid comments and then whine about it afterwards. So I´ll bite....

Bartoli
Radwanska
Na Li

Barthel
Radwanska
Clijsters
Sharapova

Barthel
Wickmayer
Radwanska
Stosur

Seven of those eight are in the top 11 in the Race to Istanbul. All ahead of your little cakewalk princess. :rolleyes:

goldenlox
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:47 PM
I read that Sharapova won 18 to start 2008, Serena 21 in 2003. Vika can pass that with win today & good run iW
I think record is 37 by Hingis in 1997

goldenlox
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:49 PM
..and you tool have the audacity to complain about Wozniacki haters. Trying to bait people with your stupid comments and then whine about it afterwards. So I´ll bite....

Bartoli
Radwanska
Na Li

Barthel
Radwanska
Clijsters
Sharapova

Barthel
Wickmayer
Radwanska
Stosur

Seven of those eight are in the top 11 in the Race to Istanbul. All ahead of your little cakewalk princess. :rolleyes:Race doesnt matter much after 3 events.
If Caro is healthy & is still out of top 10 after Miami, there's a problem

Patrick345
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Race doesnt matter much after 3 events.
If Caro is healthy & is still out of top 10 after Miami, there's a problem

....and now I know why I shouldn´t have taken the bait. There are many more, where marineblue is coming from.:lol:

madmax
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:53 PM
Race doesnt matter much after 3 events.
If Caro is healthy & is still out of top 10 after Miami, there's a problem

:confused:
A problem? I see no problem that weaponless pusher is out of the contention for YEC. Do you?

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:53 PM
..and you tool have the audacity to complain about Wozniacki haters. Trying to bait people with your stupid comments and then whine about it afterwards. So I´ll bite....

Bartoli
Radwanska
Na Li

Barthel
Radwanska
Clijsters
Sharapova

Barthel
Wickmayer
Radwanska
Stosur

Seven of those eight are in the top 11 in the Race to Istanbul. All ahead of your little cakewalk princess. :rolleyes:

Oh well, done to them. Anyway, it doesn't matter at all since we're only in the beginning in the season.
After half season situation will change ... not to make you very happy. So you think that Caroline is a cakewalk opponent? OK then. I will have the last laugh.;)

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Nope, having a slam in tennis means that there will be more expectations about their performance than before. And as recent history shows many players who won a slam did not meet those expectations. Kvitova is one of examples of that. She had a good shot at no1 last season and what happened? Instead of going on a great winning streak she has folded like a stack of cards and in the beginning of this season failed to seize her chance yet again.
Grand slam doesn't mean one is a world beater. If she doesn't find a way of maintaing good form during the season things can turn around quickly.

Terrible example.

I love how you distressed Woz stans stay pressed and simultaneously memorized by Kvitova. Why her (and not Schiavone, Li Na or Stosur)?

This line is so disingenuous. No one thought about Petra being number one when she won Wimbledon last year (everybody was just happy she won). And she certainly didn't have a easy chance after she won it. That's all hypothetical/Monday Night quarterbacking.

You conveniently forget that she came back, made the semifinals of Tokyo, Won Linz, Won The YEC and Fed Cup (as Wozniaki simultaneously folded horribly), and that's why she lost out number one by 115 pts. Nobody thought about it at the time. It had to coincide with Wozniaki's demise.

But to say that Petra failed horribly, when she played so well the last quarter of 2011, is so disingenuous.

Yes Petra missed out on her opportunity for #1 and the Australian open earlier this year. Indeed. But as you know well from Wozniaki's start last year; the year is not over in February!! :help: :tape: :help:

There's a whole lot more tennis to be played. And Petra will have her chances, and I'm sure succeed during many of them.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Haha, what a big fat lie. When she won Wimbledon it was you and other stans who were oh so sure that she'd be a no.1 soon. That went on since then until, well the AO. Even after the AO was over there was a thread by Kvitova stan suggesting that the current no.1 is not good enough.

SF of Tokyo, winning MM Linz and YEC...not impressive. She had missed many opportunities including this one in Doha.

And it is starting to cost her and instead of improving she is slowing down.

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Nope, having a slam in tennis means that there will be more expectations about their performance than before. And as recent history shows many players who won a slam did not meet those expectations. Kvitova is one of examples of that. She had a good shot at no1 last season and what happened? Instead of going on a great winning streak she has folded like a stack of cards and in the beginning of this season failed to seize her chance yet again.
Grand slam doesn't mean one is a world beater. If she doesn't find a way of maintaing good form during the season things can turn around quickly.

I dont even know where is the connection to that post, so lets just say you are trying hard. :shrug:

goldenlox
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:08 PM
I dont think Petra is slowing down. I saw her lose to Vera last year and this was a better AO, even thou Stosur was a better individual win than any she had this year.
The loss to Maria was a much more quality effort than the routine loss to Vera.
I think Petra is improving. Definately Vika is improving.
I expect Caro & Aga to get some results too

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:10 PM
I dont even know where is the connection to that post, so lets just say you are trying hard. :shrug:

Then you are not trying to see it. I was commenting on Patrick345 who said that winning a slam is a card out of jail etc. For some reason it was not included in a the post as a quote.

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Haha, what a big fat lie. When she won Wimbledon it was you and other stans who were oh so sure that she'd be a no.1 soon. That went on since then until, well the AO. Even after the AO was over there was a thread by Kvitova stan suggesting that the current no.1 is not good enough.

SF of Tokyo, winning MM Linz and YEC...not impressive. She had missed many opportunities including this one in Doha.

And it is starting to cost her and instead of improving she is slowing down.


Are you really serious, or just like to bait people to argue nonsensibly with all the time?


No one definitively said Petra was going to be number one last year, after Wimbledon. How could we? Wozniaki was so far ahead. That came later.

What many did say was "she was/is going to be a great player, and win many majors". That's what we said.

And I'll stick by that personally. I wouldn't budge from that statement at all.

It's amazing how you and your fellow brethren to this moment, can't stop talking about number one. :tape: :help: :tape:

What's wrong with you? Lol

Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:17 PM
UGH! This is turning into another Vika vs Petra thread :o

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:20 PM
Then you are not trying to see it. I was commenting on Patrick345 who said that winning a slam is a card out of jail etc. For some reason it was not included in a the post as a quote.

uhm, no, still cold.
Patrick´s post was more about the public´s and the players´ perception than old school pressure.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Are you really serious, or just like to bait people to argue nonsensibly with all the time?


No one definitively said Petra was going to be number one last year, after Wimbledon. How could we? Wozniaki was so far ahead. What we did say was she was/is going to be a great player, and win many majors. That's what we said.

And I'll stick by that. I wouldn't budge from that statement at all.

It's amazing how you and your fellow brethren to this moment, can't stop talking about number one. :tape: :help: :tape: Lol

When will you stop with this nonsense?:happy: Many of Petra's fans said it with a lot of confidence. She was in for a killer run according you you and whoever disagreed was ridiculed.
You got a bit quieter after the US Open series for obvious reasons :oh: and then you started again and went on after the AO when Sharapova destroyed your hopes.

And how could I not to mention end of the last season when you came up with your imaginary rankings which would put Kvitova on the top or called Kvitova real no.1 :lol:

Who is laughing now?;):p

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:29 PM
When will you stop with this nonsense?:happy: Many of Petra's fans said it with a lot of confidence. She was in for a killer run according you you and whoever disagreed was ridiculed.
You got a bit quieter after the US Open series for obvious reasons :oh: and then you started again and went on after the AO when Sharapova destroyed your hopes.

And how could I not to mention end of the last season when you came up with your imaginary rankings which would put Kvitova on the top or called Kvitova real no.1 :lol:

Who is laughing now?;):p

SMH. So a season is made in February? :confused: :tape: :confused:

Didn't you learn your lesson already from last year?? :lol: :help: :lol:

You truly need help, and seem to live your life on TF trying to bait people into your nonsensical, failed arguments to deal with your current bitter hopelessness.

I'm happy with my fave and look forward to the current season/next event while feeling confident she'll make lots of noise.

Why don't you do/feel the same for yours?

Enough of this.

pov
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:40 PM
UGH! This is turning into another Vika vs Petra thread :o
Heh. Happily I enjoy both players. :yeah: I like Kvitova's game more but at the moment Azarenka is executing consistently and confidently like nobody's business.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:43 PM
SMH. So a season is made in February? :confused: :tape: :confused:

Didn't you learn your lesson already from last year?? :lol: :help: :lol:

You truly need help, and seem to live your life on TF trying to bait people into your nonsensical, failed arguments to deal with your current bitter hopelessness.

I'm happy with my fave and look forward to the current season/next event while feeling confident she'll make lots of noise.

Why don't you do/feel the same for yours?

Enough of this.

And this is coming from you? :lol: You don't seem to have much self-awareness that's for sure. I don't think there was a Wozniacki thread that you missed with your spamming and you are trying to accuse me of baiting? You absolutely cannot take any criticism of Kvitova but this is a tennis forum so if you are not able to deal with that perhaps you should try baking or something,hun.
I have enough life besides TF you probably don't so maybe you need to get some air to become less pressed and hysterical. Although I have a feeling you are a lost case.

Vikapower
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:46 PM
By the time of Indian Wells. She won't be getting mediocre to easy draws anymore and everyone will be after her wig. She doesn't have an upper hand against top players and doesn't possess any kind of invincible aura.
I think she'll have a hard time defending Miami and most probably will fail.

Seriously Marine just stop, you're a Caro fan talking about draws and that just isn't right. :lol:

But I like how a simple little streak of a few matches get the haters like you all high, keep the bitterness coming... :lol: Maria had that exact same streak after she won AO 2008. :lol:

She doesn't have upper hand against top players, you're sure of that ? :lol: Get a clue girl !

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:48 PM
UGH! This is turning into another Vika vs Petra thread :o

You do realize the Caro Brigrade is trying to change that though? :lol: :) :lol:

As far as Vika/Petra, that was only the last page or two, cause some one had the audacity to say that Petra was mentally unstable and Vika was better than her in that department. So of course that had to be answered.

As far as people saying earlier, "Petra would be the one to beat her", well that's just going off of their match ups and Vika losing 4 in a row to her. That's just a fact. :shrug: :shrug:

No biggie; no drama!

Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:52 PM
You do realize the Caro Brigrade is trying to change that though? :lol: :) :lol:

As far as Vika/Petra, that was only the last page or two, cause some one had the audacity to say that Petra was mentally unstable and Vika was better than her in that department. So of course that had to be answered.

As far as people saying earlier, "Petra would be the one to beat her", well that's just going off of their match ups and Vika losing 4 in a row to her. That's just a fact. :shrug: :shrug:

No biggie!Caro's fans really have no say in this conversation. This thread is for slam winners only.

Raiden
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:52 PM
I have a feeling that the pressure maybe haven't gotten to her yet. The more she keeps up this wining streak, the more pressure will build upon her. What on earth are you yapping about?

What do you mean feel pressure to keep up this winning streak? She only won three in a row and we're only in the second month of the year. She's not yet close to breaking any big records to speak of. And even then so what? Of course it will end at one time or another! Winning streaks do not go on forever, duh!

So I'm pretty sure Vika is not feeling any kind of out of ordinary pressure to keep up a 100% winning streak until the end of whatever timetable your trollbrain is imagining she should keep.

More important is to not get trapped into a losing streak. That's more relevant. A winning streak is just a bonus, (it's not a disaster to lose sporadically in between multiples of wins).

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:52 PM
Haha, what a big fat lie. When she won Wimbledon it was you and other stans who were oh so sure that she'd be a no.1 soon. That went on since then until, well the AO. Even after the AO was over there was a thread by Kvitova stan suggesting that the current no.1 is not good enough.

SF of Tokyo, winning MM Linz and YEC...not impressive. She had missed many opportunities including this one in Doha.

And it is starting to cost her and instead of improving she is slowing down.

:rolls: :rolls:

A Wozzzzzzzzzznilucki fan condoning an MM event! That's the only tournaments Wozzzzzzzzzznilucki has won recently - thank goodness for MM events, otherwise Wozzznilucki would have hardly any tournaments in her trophy case :spit:

You really have no idea about tennis and what you are talking about. Children like you should be not seen and definitely not heard :wavey:

Go read some books on tennis - you might learn something.

pov
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:55 PM
some one had the audacity to say that [] Vika was better than her in that department.
I didn't see that post but I agree. At the moment Azarenka is mentally more solid than anyone else in the top-30. That she made such a huge shift in her mental process is commendable.

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:55 PM
Caro's fans really have no say in this conversation. This thread is for slam winners only.

I think it's unfortunate, that they're always trying to needlessly make her relevant. And when we respond and say she's not not, they say "but you're talking about her". But nobody was here.

This is a perfect example of them always trying to force Caro into the conversation/make her relevant even when she's not being discussed (and/or not playing).

Yes. Slam winners allowed only. :lol: :eek: :lol:

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Can PetraNo.3 shut the hell up already? Love how they constantly call other posters children when they come across as one much more.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Seriously Marine just stop, you're a Caro fan talking about draws and that just isn't right. :lol:

But I like how a simple little streak of a few matches get the haters like you all high, keep the bitterness coming... :lol: Maria had that exact same streak after she won AO 2008. :lol:

She doesn't have upper hand against top players, you're sure of that ? :lol: Get a clue girl !

Another one who should really be quiet right now. I don't get how YOU can accuse someone else of being a hater,too. :lol:

Her winning streak doesn't make me bitter, I can assure you of that.

Also,as far as top players are concerned her stats are not that brilliant so no, she doesn't have an upper hand over them. No wins against Kvitova, inferior H2H against Wozniacki on par with Sharapova. She owned Stosur today but do you want to tell me it was a tight contest or something???
Stosur's form was attrocious today.

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:57 PM
Are you really serious, or just like to bait people to argue nonsensibly with all the time?


No one definitively said Petra was going to be number one last year, after Wimbledon. How could we? Wozniaki was so far ahead. That came later.

What many did say was "she was/is going to be a great player, and win many majors". That's what we said.

And I'll stick by that personally. I wouldn't budge from that statement at all.

It's amazing how you and your fellow brethren to this moment, can't stop talking about number one. :tape: :help: :tape:

What's wrong with you? Lol

They keep reverting back to number one because it's the only bit of notoriety that their fave will ever have on the tour; because she sure isn't winning a slam :lol:

They must also be mega pissed that their fave is on the demise and Vika is doing so well and they both are the same age :tape:

BillFromRichmond
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:57 PM
Didn't happen today.

She will lose sometime this year just like Djokovic did last year..so did Djokovic "fold under the pressure"?

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:58 PM
:rolls: :rolls:

A Wozzzzzzzzzznilucki fan condoning an MM event! That's the only tournaments Wozzzzzzzzzznilucki has won recently - thank goodness for MM events, otherwise Wozzznilucki would have hardly any tournaments in her trophy case :spit:

You really have no idea about tennis and what you are talking about. Children like you should be not seen and definitely not heard :wavey:

Go read some books on tennis - you might learn something.

OK, Petrano.1:tape:

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:59 PM
I didn't see that post but I agree. At the moment Azarenka is mentally more solid than anyone else in the top-30. That she made such a huge shift in her mental process is commendable.

Read my prior post on the subject, then get back to me.

Plus, 6wks don't make a season. And Vika has no pressure on her right now, cause no one in the press is looking at her as any type of world beater.

They're just tabulating the results and still waiting (since the next slam is so far off). It's just too early.

But kudos to what she's done so far and how she's been able to manage it.

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Caro's fans really have no say in this conversation. This thread is for slam winners only.

how many of Vika or Petra fans are slam winners? I feel a syntactical error here. :p

Jane Lane
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Didn't happen today.

She will lose sometime this year just like Djokovic did last year..so did Djokovic "fold under the pressure"?

+1 :lol:

It's like all of a sudden when she loses a match it'll be "folding under pressure."

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:00 PM
When will you stop with this nonsense?:happy: Many of Petra's fans said it with a lot of confidence. She was in for a killer run according you you and whoever disagreed was ridiculed.
You got a bit quieter after the US Open series for obvious reasons :oh: and then you started again and went on after the AO when Sharapova destroyed your hopes.

And how could I not to mention end of the last season when you came up with your imaginary rankings which would put Kvitova on the top or called Kvitova real no.1 :lol:

Who is laughing now?;):p

We are because your fave is sliding down ever so quickly :hearts:

Can you post links to those posts -I'd like to see who said she'd be no. 1. Yes my name is PetraNo.1, but that's because she's my no. 1 - just to clarify.

Now get lost and go sulk in the corner that your fave is going downnnnnnnnnnnnnnn :bounce:

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:01 PM
They keep reverting back to number one because it's the only bit of notoriety that their fave will ever have on the tour; because she sure isn't winning a slam :lol:

They must also be mega pissed that their fave is on the demise and Vika is doing so well and they both are the same age :tape:

Yes they have many issues. And have a deep desire to keep their fave relevant by invading other threads, and constantly bringing up number one as some hallowed goal.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:01 PM
Caro's fans really have no say in this conversation. This thread is for slam winners only.

No, sorry we have. Not sorry to spoil the party.:p

pov
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:01 PM
I think it's unfortunate, that they're always trying to needlessly make her relevant.
That's a somewhat idiotic statement. Anyone who's been consistently in the top 10 is relevant. Much less someone who's already spent much time at the #1 spot.

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:02 PM
And this is coming from you? :lol: You don't seem to have much self-awareness that's for sure. I don't think there was a Wozniacki thread that you missed with your spamming and you are trying to accuse me of baiting? You absolutely cannot take any criticism of Kvitova but this is a tennis forum so if you are not able to deal with that perhaps you should try baking or something,hun.
I have enough life besides TF you probably don't so maybe you need to get some air to become less pressed and hysterical. Although I have a feeling you are a lost case.

Oh the irony.

Unfortunately, neither do you. If you did, you wouldn't write a quarter of what you do - you'd look at it and squirm - just like we do. :wavey:

Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:04 PM
No, sorry we have. Not sorry to spoil the party.:pI don't think I've made myself clear enought, SLAM winners only.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:04 PM
Yes they have many issues. And have a deep desire to keep their fave relevant by invading other threads, and constantly bringing up number one as some hallowed goal.

Can I remind you that Wozniacki haters open more threads about her than Wozniacki fans? Not to mention your trolling in our forum. You are obsessed with her, kiddo.

PetraReeMona
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:05 PM
Caro's fans really have no say in this conversation. This thread is for slam winners only.

:yeah:

Raiden
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:05 PM
Didn't happen today.

She will lose sometime this year just like Djokovic did last year..so did Djokovic "fold under the pressure"?You're making too much sense for the airheads in this thread who all of a sudden have now decided that a winning streak is some sort of a holy grail and that Vika is under a monumental pressure and that it will be a huge disaster unless she keeps winning continuously forever and ever without losing even one match in-between :lol:

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM
I don't think I've made myself clear enought, SLAM winners only.

Just to clarify the measure of the authority that this post of yours evokes:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BbbW4nFN_S8/SH6FYe6lE7I/AAAAAAAAHB0/V50-IGO5gac/s400/kiss-my-ass.jpg

Nicolás89
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM
So now if a player who is doing good has a bad day and loses a match she is folding under pressure?

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM
That's a somewhat idiotic statement. Anyone who's been consistently in the top 10 is relevant. Much less someone who's already spent much time at the #1 spot.

Huh?

This is an Azarenka thread and Azarenka's day, but they would rather have us argue about Wozniaki endlessly.

That's more idiotic to me than anything!! :help: :tape: :help:

Can Vika and her fans have her day to be discussed, hailed, criticized and examined, and not Wozniaki? What did Woz do today, recently?

We're not examining the next/upcoming tournament. No. This is based off of the ones Vika is winning (including this current/last one in Doha). Why would we argue Petra vs Wozniaki endlessly in this thread?

Think about it? Your statement is flawed within it's current context.

dsanders06
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:21 PM
What on earth are you yapping about?

What do you mean feel pressure to keep up this winning streak? She only won three in a row and we're only in the second month of the year. She's not yet close to breaking any big records to speak of. And even then so what? Of course it will end at one time or another! Winning streaks do not go on forever, duh!

So I'm pretty sure Vika is not feeling any kind of out of ordinary pressure to keep up a 100% winning streak until the end of whatever timetable your trollbrain is imagining she should keep.

More important is to not get trapped into a losing streak. That's more relevant. A winning streak is just a bonus, (it's not a disaster to lose sporadically in between multiples of wins).

Exactly. I'm not understanding what pressure she's supposed to be under at this point? If she's still unbeaten in the middle of the claycourt season and is threatening Hingis's all-time record, then maybe can we have this thread - but as of now, her streak while very impressive, is nothing special historically speaking, nor something that's going to gain a lot of attention from the mainstream sports press (like Djokovic's did). Has she even surpassed Mauresmo's early-2006 run yet?

timafi
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Caro fans do yourselves a favor and take a damn seat

http://www.foldingchairs-foldingtables.com/Products/Leather_Furniture/Leather_Parsons_Chair_HT41-006.jpg and PLEASE shut your collective pieholes!




as for Vika;I don't like the yelling and her game but THIS is HER time.Her time to shine.So let her enjoy every minute of it.Amelie went on a tear at the end of 2005 winning Philly;the YEC;the AO;the OGDF and won Wimbledon that year besides making the finals in Dubai;Beijing and the YEC so :shrug:


Vika :hatoff:

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Caro fans do yourselves a favor and take a damn seat...


you could tell that to bitter Kvittytards too. But its much more "pc" to pick only Caro fans. :lol:

pov
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:28 PM
This is an Azarenka thread and Azarenka's day, but they would rather have us argue about Wozniaki endlessly.

That's more idiotic to me than anything!!
:lol: Yeah that might also be idiotic or, at the very least, obnoxious.I can't be bothered to see how it got started in this thread. But even so . . saying anyone who's been consistently in the top 10 is irrelevant is nonsensical.

Vikapower
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Another one who should really be quiet right now. I don't get how YOU can accuse someone else of being a hater,too. :lol:

Her winning streak doesn't make me bitter, I can assure you of that.

Also,as far as top players are concerned her stats are not that brilliant so no, she doesn't have an upper hand over them. No wins against Kvitova, inferior H2H against Wozniacki on par with Sharapova. She owned Stosur today but do you want to tell me it was a tight contest or something???
Stosur's form was attrocious today.

:lol: Where you got those stats from ? :lol: This is a general made up crap you just made out for fun -- Victoria is 7-0 against top 10 players this year and 10-2 between YEC and now.

:confused: Your arguments are so weak -- she beat Maria the last 3 or 4 times, her last encounter with Wozniacki was a retirement after 2-3 games and she has already beaten Petra.

These trash talk is pretty useless anyways, Caroline is not in the league of Petra and Vika so why don't you let the bigger ladies discuss their issues and stop trying to turn each discussions around past her peak Caroline ? :help:

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:36 PM
you could tell that to bitter Kvittytards too. But its much more "pc" to pick only Caro fans. :lol:

No.

At least Kvitova's fans are keeping the focus on Azarenka (in one way or the other).

Da invading Caro Brigade would rather talk about Woz outright here, or Kvitova vs Woz. It's pretty clear.

That's just dumb and out of place in this particular thread, and you know it.

Sorry. :sad: :tape: :sad:

spencercarlos
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:36 PM
I have a feeling that the pressure maybe haven't gotten to her yet. The more she keeps up this wining streak, the more pressure will build upon her. As she keeps on winning, people will expect more and more of her and eventually I think she'll fold. Especially since she's not the strongest girl on tour mentally. I mean looking at her last 5 tournaments it's been quite impressive, her only loss was a close 3 setter to Kvitova at the YEC. How long can she keep this up before her fragile body or brain give out?

Luxembourg - W
YEC - F
Sydney - W
AO - W
Doha - F/W?
Seriosly, i thought her streak was going to get on forever. :help:


What a great thread :facepalm:

spencercarlos
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Exactly. I'm not understanding what pressure she's supposed to be under at this point? If she's still unbeaten in the middle of the claycourt season and is threatening Hingis's all-time record, then maybe can we have this thread - but as of now, her streak while very impressive, is nothing special historically speaking, nor something that's going to gain a lot of attention from the mainstream sports press (like Djokovic's did). Has she even surpassed Mauresmo's early-2006 run yet?
Hingis all time record???? :lol: :spit:

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:46 PM
you could tell that to bitter Kvittytards too. But its much more "pc" to pick only Caro fans. :lol:

Exactly. Reading Kvittytards moralising makes me laugh my head off. Especially after they've created and contributed to endless amount of hate threads. No shame whatsoever in these people.:help:

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:46 PM
No.

At least Kvitova's fans are keeping the focus on Azarenka (in one way or the other).

Da invading Caro Brigade would rather talk about Woz outright here, or Kvitova vs Woz. It's pretty clear.

That's just dumb and out of place in this particular thread, and you know it.

Sorry. :sad: :tape: :sad:

we already knew you have special powers like seeing into others mind, no need to brag. ;)

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Hingis all time record???? :lol: :spit:

Yeah.

I was thinking the same thing.

I know both Graf and Navratilova have streaks between 60-80+ consecutive wins, if my memory is correct?

That dwarfs Hingis, and of course makes what Vika is doing peanuts in comparison (which was both of your points). We'll see?

I checked. Hingis is not even in the top 10, with her 33 in a row.

Longest match winning streaks during the open era (all surfaces)

1) M. Nav 74
2) Graf 66
3) Martina 58
4) M.Court 57
5) C. Evert 55
6) M. Nav 54
7) S.Graf 46
8) S.Graf 45
9) S.Graf 44
10)M. Nav 41

Irute
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:52 PM
I don't think dealing with pressure is Vika's issue. She has already proven that she is able to follow through after a major victory with more victories. To me the real question is how long she will be able to maintain this level of play. I don't really know the answer to it nor I have an opinion, but I will observe with interest how things will develop.

marineblue
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:53 PM
No.

At least Kvitova's fans are keeping the focus on Azarenka (in one way or the other).

Da invading Caro Brigade would rather talk about Woz outright here, or Kvitova vs Woz. It's pretty clear.

That's just dumb and out of place in this particular thread, and you know it.

Sorry. :sad: :tape: :sad:

No, the comments that I posted were on topic. It's just that you cannot take when someone writes something critical about Kvitova and when Wozniacki is mentioned you go off like a machine gun :rolls:
You're such a hopeless douche, oh my :happy:

duhcity
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Is this the future? No WS/Belgians/Maria in the conversation? Just Kvitty vs. Vika vs. Caro?

Aga will save TF :hearts:

duhcity
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Yeah.

I was thinking the same thing.

I know both Graf and Navratilova have streaks between 60-80+ consecutive wins, if my memory is correct?

That dwarfs Hingis, and of course makes what Vika is doing peanuts in comparison (which was both of your points).

We'll see?

And the record I believe is form the start of the year a la Novak last year. Martina went unbeaten until the FO final.

spencercarlos
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:57 PM
SF of Tokyo, winning MM Linz and YEC...not impressive.
Ok stopped reding after this.

Those are great results for anyone. You are so full of s..t.. :wavey:

dsanders06
Feb 19th, 2012, 05:01 PM
Hingis all time record???? :lol: :spit:

Yeah.

I was thinking the same thing.

I know both Graf and Navratilova have streaks between 60-80+ consecutive wins, if my memory is correct?

That dwarfs Hingis, and of course makes what Vika is doing peanuts in comparison (which was both of your points). We'll see?

I checked. Hingis is not even in the top 10, with her 33 in a row.

Longest match winning streaks during the open era (all surfaces)

1) M. Nav 74
2) Graf 66
3) Martina 58
4) M.Court 57
5) C. Evert 55
6) M. Nav 54
7) S.Graf 46
8) S.Graf 45
9) S.Graf 44
10)M. Nav 41

But Hingiss the longest unbeaten start to a season, I believe.

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 05:02 PM
And the record I believe is form the start of the year a la Novak last year. Martina went unbeaten until the FO final.

Oh. Thanks.

Well I'd rather want to win 74 matches in a row like Martina Nav, then start off the season winning 33 in a row.

And I think the record books prove that. Cause when I looked it up ("consecutive match winning streak), I didn't see any hits from the "start of the season".

Just saying. Lol.

ExXotikal
Feb 19th, 2012, 05:52 PM
She's playing on medium-slow paced HC, which is her best surface, I don't see her level dipping.

I think the dynamic will change by the time the clay season comes. But I don't see her folding mentally, she could stop her career now and she would have no regret whatsoever: she won a GS and was a LEGITIMATE number one.

AliceMariaRenka
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:16 PM
Vika won't fold. She had her wobble last year, went home, had pep talks from her Grandma, and NOW look at her. She will only get stronger and stronger. She has overcome her demons and will have several years if glory.

Hashim.
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:20 PM
If she was going to fall under pressure now would be the time. But as you can see she is not.;)
Besides she is only going to get more confident the longer she keeps this up.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:31 PM
If she was going to fall under pressure now would be the time. But as you can see she is not.;)
Besides she is only going to get more confident the longer she keeps this up.
I agree. And eventually she'll lose some matches, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with folding under the pressure of being #1 or a slam champ. Every player loses sometimes, that's inevitable.

starin
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:44 PM
She's not playing way beyond herself to win these matches so I don't expect her to fold. And unlike Kvitova and Li she has a very high percentage grinding game that is very effective against the majority of the tour. So even if she does get tight she can fall back on that and except against big hitters on their game she can still fight out a win.

TennisFan66
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
Azarenka is obviously in a great 'in form' run atm. She had another good run from Miami going into European clay last year. Such good periods come and go.

Her game is pretty much like it's always been, but at the moment, her serving is less prone to DF. She's managed to cut down on UE in her groundies and there's a fantastic depth on her shots.

Needless to say, I have no better guess than others, when Azarenka will lose her current good form. Usually these periods don't last above 3 month. We'll see.

And coming off an 'in form' period doesn't have to have anything to do with 'folding under pressure'. Geeeez. The drama :rolleyes:

Matt01
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM
I thought the longest unbeaten winning streak at the start of a season had Graf in 1987? :scratch:


Ok stopped reding after this.

Those are great results for anyone. You are so full of s..t.. :wavey:


Winning Linz is a great result for a Wimbledon Champion? Seriously?

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:47 PM
She will probably be stopped at Indian Wells :shrug:.

Leave out Sydney, Vika is having Maria's 2008 season, final in YEC, Title at the Aussie Open and now Doha :shrug:.

She will be stopped at Indian Wells Semi from Kuznetsova :oh:.

Matt01
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Azarenka is obviously in a great 'in form' run atm. She had another good run from Miami going into European clay last year. Such good periods come and go.

Her game is pretty much like it's always been, but at the moment, her serving is less prone to DF. She's managed to cut down on UE in her groundies and there's a fantastic depth on her shots.


I disagree. She has improved her serve, seems fitter and is more consistant and couragous on her groundstrokes.

sammy01
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:49 PM
if her main competition to winning hardcourt titles is aga and stosur then pressure or not she should win. i expect her to win dubai and maybe IW. miami with kim, serena, maybe venus in the draw and the court being faster than the slow courts that start the year will see her lose.

Matt01
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:49 PM
She will probably be stopped at Indian Wells :shrug:.

Leave out Sydney, Vika is having Maria's 2008 season, final in YEC, Title at the Aussie Open and now Doha :shrug:.

She will be stopped at Indian Wells Semi from Kuznetsova :oh:.


Kuznetsova won't even make it that far :o

But I doubt that Vika will still be undefeated after Miami :sad:

Matt01
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:52 PM
if her main competition to winning hardcourt titles is aga and stosur then pressure or not she should win. i expect her to win dubai and maybe IW. miami with kim, serena, maybe venus in the draw and the court being faster than the slow courts that start the year will see her lose.


Miami is one of her favorite tournaments; she has already won there twice beating Serena, Pova and Fiona. I rather see her losing in Indian Wells (or in Dubai because of fatigue).

Petronius
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:54 PM
She's not playing way beyond herself to win these matches so I don't expect her to fold. And unlike Kvitova and Li she has a very high percentage grinding game that is very effective against the majority of the tour. So even if she does get tight she can fall back on that and except against big hitters on their game she can still fight out a win.

The problem for Viktoria is that superior big hitters need not even play that well to beat her, as proved by her 8-match losing streak versus the Serena & Petra duo.
Anyways, congrats to her on avoiding these superior players and putting together a nice winning streak.
Also congrats to her on smartly saving energy for Doha by skipping Fed Cup, while other players fought hard for their respective countries.

Jane Lane
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Also congrats to her on smartly saving energy for Doha by skipping Fed Cup, while other players fought hard for their respective countries.

Throwing shade are we? :spit:

Patrick345
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:57 PM
The problem for Viktoria is that superior big hitters need not even play that well to beat her, as proved by her 8-match losing streak versus the Serena & Petra duo.
Anyways, congrats to her on avoiding these superior players and putting together a nice winning streak.
Also congrats to her on smartly saving energy for Doha by skipping Fed Cup, while other players fought hard for their respective countries.

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/image/you%20mad/grand/you_mad.jpg

goldenlox
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM
5 finals in a row with 4 titles including a major is very impressive. Its almost goes back to Justine in 2007 when she won every match she played after Wimbledon. And she had already won the FO.

sammy01
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Miami is one of her favorite tournaments; she has already won there twice beating Serena, Pova and Fiona. I rather see her losing in Indian Wells (or in Dubai because of fatigue).

i think while she is on a roll she will want to keep her unbeaten run going.

i know she has won miami twice but it has been slightly lucky both times getting injured serena and kim and by miami i think she will be tired.

i can see her getting to miami unbeaten though.

TennisFan66
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:03 PM
I disagree. She has improved her serve, seems fitter and is more consistant and couragous on her groundstrokes.

I get where you're coming from, Matt, but I think it's difficult to say if it's not just 'good form', but a fundamental shift in level .. Time will tell of course.

C. Drone
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:05 PM
The problem for Viktoria is that superior big hitters need not even play that well to beat her, as proved by her 8-match losing streak versus the Serena & Petra duo.
Anyways, congrats to her on avoiding these superior players and putting together a nice winning streak.
Also congrats to her on smartly saving energy for Doha by skipping Fed Cup, while other players fought hard for their respective countries.

if anything she deserves credit skipping that pointless event, being smart and saving herself, unlike Kvitty who supposedly is unfit/injured.

Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:05 PM
I get where you're coming from, Matt, but I think it's difficult to say if it's more than 'just good form', but a fundamental shift in level .. Time will tell of course.Not only has her serve improved, she's also using that slice very effectively especially when she's out of position. She's also winning quite a bit of points at net and is not afraid to move forward. She went from being one dimensional ala Sharapova to an all court game.

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:07 PM
I get where you're coming from, Matt, but I think it's difficult to say if it's more than 'just good form', but a fundamental shift in level .. Time will tell of course.


I know what you mean. I think she's playing well (and serving a little better, going for a little more), but she hasn't added/done anything spectacular. Vika's still a power grinder, that's been playing very well, since last year.

I think people forget, if it wasn't for Kvitova, Azarenka could of realistically had 2-4 more titles last year, including a WTA title, a Premier Mandatory and possibly Wimby (though she may not have stood up well to Sharapova's shots on the grass). That's the difference.

Azarenka's been playing well, and has just continued what she was doing.

Shonami Slam
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:09 PM
on one hand, you'd think she'd have retired or withdrawn already
on the other hand, she's still winning

so - i guess she's out of the injured circle, and someone else replaced her.
she might win everything except IW, IMO.

Excelscior
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Not only has her serve improved, she's also using that slice very effectively especially when she's out of position. She's also winning quite a bit of points at net and is not afraid to move forward. She went from being one dimensional ala Sharapova to an all court game.

Okay.

I will acknowledge some of this at the moment. Yes, she has done these things in her matches lately. But what I want to see is (like Wozniaki), will she abandon or use these tactics when she's in a tight match that she may lose/needs to win (especially against a bigger hitter)?

But even then, I will acknowledge that she seems to have expanded her game a little, since the end of last year; while basically being her true power-lite grinding self.

Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:11 PM
I know what you mean. I think she's playing well (and serving a little better, going for a little more), but she hasn't added/done anything spectacular. Vika's still a power grinder, that's been playing very well, since last year.

I think people forget, if it wasn't for Kvitova, Azarenka could of realistically had 2-4 more titles last year, including a WTA title, a Premier Mandatory and possibly Wimby (though she may not have stood up well to Sharapova's shots on the grass). That's the difference.

Azarenka's been playing well, and has just continued what she was doing.Sharapova's biggest challenge was Lisucki to get to the final of Wimbledon. If Vika was in that final Sharapova's outcome would've still been the same.

sweetpeas
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:15 PM
The pressure stop after A.o. She's a slam winner NOW.:wavey::bounce::):DHAPPY HAPPY.

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:16 PM
The problem for Viktoria is that superior big hitters need not even play that well to beat her, as proved by her 8-match losing streak versus the Serena & Petra duo.
Anyways, congrats to her on avoiding these superior players and putting together a nice winning streak.
Also congrats to her on smartly saving energy for Doha by skipping Fed Cup, while other players fought hard for their respective countries.
That is false. Vika's turbo-grinding game forces the bashers to implement near perfect accuracy in their shots, along with the pace, to finish points directly. If they don't, she'll drag them into longer rallies and draw errors or go for the opening herself when she gets the chance to. I remember her match vs Li at AO last year, Li's shots were clipping lines left right and center throughout the match. Her shots weren't as consistently sharp in Sydney final this year and Azarenka beat her.

Petronius
Feb 19th, 2012, 10:10 PM
Throwing shade are we? :spit:

If I said anything wrong, feel free to correct me. Honestly, do you believe she would have done the same, if her back had started troubling her before the Melbourne or Doha finals and not before an 'ordinary' FedCup match?
It had to be said, because some people have already started bragging about the No. 1 rankings, disregarding different priorities of different players.

moby
Feb 19th, 2012, 10:20 PM
If I said anything wrong, feel free to correct me. Honestly, do you believe she would have done the same, if her back had started troubling her before the Melbourne or Doha finals and not before an 'ordinary' FedCup match?Of course not, and neither would any other player in that position. Didn't Serena say that she wouldn't have played AO if it weren't a slam?

miffedmax
Feb 20th, 2012, 02:42 AM
I know what you mean. I think she's playing well (and serving a little better, going for a little more), but she hasn't added/done anything spectacular. Vika's still a power grinder, that's been playing very well, since last year.

I think people forget, if it wasn't for Kvitova, Azarenka could of realistically had 2-4 more titles last year, including a WTA title, a Premier Mandatory and possibly Wimby (though she may not have stood up well to Sharapova's shots on the grass). That's the difference.

Azarenka's been playing well, and has just continued what she was doing.

The improvement in her fitness is a huge part of the surge in Vika's game in the last six months and one of the biggest factors in her pulling away from the rest of the pretenders. That's most likely here to stay.

Now, as an Azarenka fan, I admit I am of two minds about Petra. There's a part of me that wants her any time, any place. And there's the part of me that's scared to death of her, because she, too, has separated from the pack and just might be even more of the real deal. I think Vika's gotten stronger--the YEC wasn't that horrible a showing for my girl, and I think she's continued to improve--but Petra's awfully good. And frankly, I don't think either Vika or Petra can afford to write off Martha yet, either. She's still capable of taking either one of them on the right day and all she needs is a few good draws and results to get right back in the thick of it.

Kim or Serena might steal a slam before all is said and done, but until somebody else steps it up I personally think our top three are actually the best three right now. You can quibble about the order, and certainly there are some players* who could get hot or some youngsters who may start to make a difference with some more experience. I'm really pleasantly surprised because in 2010 I would have (and did) predict Vika was going to be Lena 2.0 as far as big results went.



*Larsson and Makarova, mostly

Stamp Paid
Feb 20th, 2012, 03:07 AM
I hope that she wont. :lol: Shes showing em how its done. :lol:

spencercarlos
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:03 PM
I thought the longest unbeaten winning streak at the start of a season had Graf in 1987? :scratch:





Winning Linz is a great result for a Wimbledon Champion? Seriously?
I meant for the streak of Linz, then the YEC title. Had that been another MM and not the YEC and you would have a point. But Winning the YEC+ another title is not unimpressive by any means.

spencercarlos
Feb 22nd, 2012, 06:08 PM
But Hingiss the longest unbeaten start to a season, I believe.
Graf won 45 matches to start 1987 i believe. I am sure Hingis is not the longest one to start out a year.