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VeeJJ
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:36 PM
The best I have ever seen Jelena playing on grass was that first set vs. Alona at Wimby 2010. Other than that I guess her match vs. Safarova there as well.

Others?

Landon92
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Davenport against Clijsters on RG.

Sylvester
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:48 PM
Sharapova against Stosur in Rome last year or against Pierce also in Rome back in 2005, when Pierce made the RG final a couple of weeks later.

flareon
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Bally RG 2010 Against Radwanska 2nd set went down 7-5 but she cannot play on clay and did really well in that second set thats IMO.

Noctis
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:53 PM
Li Na on clay last year Madrid,Rome,RG If I pick I choose Her final vs Fran :spit:

Landon92
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:54 PM
Radwanska against Wozniacki Stuttgart 2011.

flareon
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:54 PM
Li Na on clay last year Madrid,Rome,RG If I pick I choose Her final vs Fran :spit:

Agreed.

Viktymise
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:54 PM
The best I have ever seen Jelena playing on grass was that first set vs. Alona at Wimby 2010. Other than that I guess her match vs. Safarova there as well.

Junkovic has played plenty of better matches on grass than that.

Alejandrawrrr
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Sarina RG 2003 QF?

dsanders06
Feb 18th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Maria's best match on clay definitely against Wozniacki in Rome last year. I'd actually say her match (loss) against Justine at RG'10 comes in pretty high.

Serena's best on clay was against Mauresmo in the RG03 QFs.

Venus's best on clay would probably be one of her wins over Pierce or Hingis way back in 1999/early 2000s.

Justine's best on grass is....maybe against Kim in the Wimbledon '06 semis? :shrug:

madmax
Feb 18th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Junkovic has played plenty of better matches on grass than that.

I'm pretty sure she played better when she beat Maria in Birmingham final...

justineheninfan
Feb 18th, 2012, 07:25 PM
Justine's best on grass is....maybe against Kim in the Wimbledon '06 semis? :shrug:

Not even close. Justine played better matches against Capriati in the 2001 Wimbledon semis, Serena in the 2007 Wimbledon quarters, Kuznetsova in the 2003 Wimbledon quarters, Seles in the 2002 Wimbledon quarters.

Anyway Justine's worst surface is not grass, but fast U.S Open style decoturf. I know that sounds funny when she has 2 U.S Open titles, another final, and a dominant Indian Wells win in 2004, but she also has a whopping 5 round of 16 defeats at the U.S Open. Contrast that to rebound ace, grass, carpet, medium hard courts, where she is always making late rouns. Despite that she is still far better than Kuznetsova on it or any other surface, contrary to what AcesHigh believes. :lol:

Venus's best match on clay was the 1999 Hamburg final vs Mary Pierce which she won 6-3, 6-0. A close 2nd would be beating Justine Henin on clay at Charleston in 2002 after being down 6-2, 4-0.

Serena's best match on clay would be the 2002 Rome final where she beat Justine Henin in straight sets.

Sharapova's best match on clay would actually probably be the Rome final where she crushed Stosur.

Clijster's best match on grass would be her Wimbledon round of 16 win over Henin at Wimbledon 2010, her only ever decent win on grass.

Davenport's best match on clay would be crushing Mary Pierce in the 1997 Charleston final.

Hingis's best match on grass would be her 3 set win over an injured Novotna in the 1997 Wimbledon final.

Kuznetsova's best match on grass would be the 2007 Wimbledon quarters where she got 7 games off of Venus Williams.

Wozniacki's best ever match on hard courts would either be the 2010 WTA Championships final where she lost to an erratic and off form Kim in 3 sets, or the 2010 Indian Wells final where she managed to win a set then win 4 games in the last 2 sets vs a sluggish and past her prime Henin.


Kvitova's best ever match on outdoor hard courts would be her performance vs Kirilenko at the 2011 Australian Open. For a full match her straight sets win over Stosur at the 2011 Australian Open, where Sam actually played very well and just got outplayed, or her straight sets win over a pretty good Ivanovic at this years Australian Open. Maybe even her 3 set loss to Sharapova at this years Australian where she played well for most of the match despite her usual errors binge, and played in god mode during the 2nd set.

Mauresmo's best ever match on fast U.S Open style decoturf (her worst surface, like Justine) was her 3 set win over Clijsters at the 2002 U.S Open. Her 3 set win over her pigeon Capriati only came due to a big choke from Capriati when serving for it in 2 sets, she played crap most of that match in fact. She played pretty well in her 3 set loss to an off form Venus in the semis, and got screwed on some major line calls that might have cost her the match.

bobito
Feb 18th, 2012, 07:31 PM
Sanchez Vicario against Steffi Graf in the 95 Wimbledon final.

Linguae^
Feb 18th, 2012, 07:50 PM
@justineheninfan
You are wrong, Woz didn't play Henin in IW, or I'm nuts?

Apoleb
Feb 18th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Sanchez Vicario against Steffi Graf in the 95 Wimbledon final.

Nice pick.

Justine's best grass court performance was the first week of Wimbledon 2006. Serving in the mid-upper 60s (!), and playing superb all court tennis through out - and then just when she should have peaked in the second week, she started playing worse and worse from the R4 (against Hantuchova I believe), worse in the SF, and played her worst match in the final. :tape:

JCTennisFan
Feb 18th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Pierce against Venus at 05 Wimbledon. Pierce was generally a pimp that year after the AO. To think she had a shot at getting back #1 if she hadnt bombed out at the 06 AO open.

bobito
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:04 PM
@justineheninfan
You are wrong, Woz didn't play Henin in IW, or I'm nuts?

It was Miami. Although I'm perplexed as to why it got a mention since hard courts are, by far, Wozniacki's best surface not her worst.

In The Zone
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:07 PM
Sharapova's worst surface is not clay. Perhaps pre-2008 but clay is her best surface now.

JCTennisFan
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:10 PM
Sharapova's worst surface is not clay. Perhaps pre-2008 but clay is her best surface now.

:spit: :wavey: So she is Ivanovic now?

In The Zone
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:10 PM
And it's hard to choose for Venus - a match on clay because before 2003, Venus had no problems on clay. Once she had the ab injury, that's when the shit shows on clay started to pour in.

P.S. The 6-2 4-0 deficit to Henin was at Amelia Island, not Charleston ;)

Serena over Mauresmo at RG 03 is a good choice for best clay match.

I would agree with heninfan that Henin's worst surface is hard courts. She did not have a grass problem - she had a mental Wimbledon problem. For all the credit Henin gets for her mentality, she was one of the mentally weakest champions there has ever been. Her eyes were always glued to Carlos and she could unravel at any moment, including up big on a nobody in a slam semifinal. Her best match on hardcourts would maybe be the 07 USO SF against Venus. She was pounding first serves in the high 110s and her forehand was so deep and penetrating.

madmax
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:18 PM
Sharapova's worst surface is not clay. Perhaps pre-2008 but clay is her best surface now.

LMAO...I guess that nice little winning streak last year fooled plenty of folks:lol:

Petkorazzi
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:25 PM
I agree with ITZ. :shrug: Maybe not her best surface, but she's definitely not the cow on ice she used to be before her injury. Her results on clay and RG are actually pretty consistent. :shrug:

n1_and_uh_noone
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:27 PM
Nice pick.

Justine's best grass court performance was the first week of Wimbledon 2006. Serving in the mid-upper 60s (!), and playing superb all court tennis through out - and then just when she should have peaked in the second week, she started playing worse and worse from the R4 (against Hantuchova I believe), worse in the SF, and played her worst match in the final. :tape:

Actually, she played a flawless 1st set in the final and I was rejoicing already, it seemed so NID. Then it all started to unravel. Not terrible play, but just uninspired and tentative, with crucial errors, just as Mauresmo picked it up.

The semifinal against Clijsters was a good match but nothing special. I remember some nice shots Justine hit but overall she played better when it mattered, like the tiebreak.

The Eastbourne final against Mauresmo was awesome too, since both were playing well despite the crazy wind. In fact, that might be my pick for her best on grass. I guess it was her worst surface, relatively speaking, because though she managed quite well, her serve % and her general lack of confidence on it would remain liabilities.

Lord Choc Ice
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:34 PM
Daniela VS Woz RG last year? :oh:

timafi
Feb 18th, 2012, 08:43 PM
Nice pick.

Justine's best grass court performance was the first week of Wimbledon 2006. Serving in the mid-upper 60s (!), and playing superb all court tennis through out - and then just when she should have peaked in the second week, she started playing worse and worse from the R4 (against Hantuchova I believe), worse in the SF, and played her worst match in the final. :tape:

these were Henin's opponents:


First round:
YUAN, Meng

2nd round:
BYCHKOVA, Ekaterina

3th round:
A.CHAKVETADZE [30]

4th round:
D.HANTUCHOVA [15]

Quarters:
S.BREMOND

Semis:
K.CLIJSTERS [2]


http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/Draws/2006/904.pdf

dsanders06
Feb 18th, 2012, 09:48 PM
Sharapova's worst surface is not clay. Perhaps pre-2008 but clay is her best surface now.

Not this shit again :lol:

Even if we are arbitrarily splitting her career into pre- and post-shoulder surgery, she has made a Slam final on both grass and hardcourts since the surgery and still hasn't made one on clay (yet :angel: ), so as of now clay remains clearly her worst surface :wavey:

The Dawntreader
Feb 18th, 2012, 10:08 PM
Clay is still ostensibly a bad surface for Sharapova. Her movement is ridiculously clumsy and ungainly and her serve doesn't get the required acceleration she generally needs to be successful. However she has a competitive mindset for clay, which lends itself to her mini-achievements on the surface. Sharapova hits a much heavier ball, with more topspin, and that allows her rallying ball generally to move off the court more aggressively, and thus she can rally more adeptly than in 2004/05, where she was working with a much flatter ball that had much less facility, especially if the courts got slow and damp.

However it's worth mentioning that Sharapova has beaten no one of any note on grass since her 2004 win. I mean her highest ranked win since then was Dementieva in 2006. Plus all her losses to Jackson, Dulko, Kudryavsteva hardly inspire assurance that it's still a great surface for her. Her movement is a massive liability on the surface these days, and her serve is too erratic.

It's pretty obvious to me that her best surface is and will always be hardcourts.

Mynarco
Feb 18th, 2012, 10:11 PM
Severine Bremond in a GS QF? :bigcry:

Sean.
Feb 18th, 2012, 10:15 PM
Ivanovic - Grass: Possibly Wimbledon 07 vs. Vaidisova, or 06 vs. Safina.
Zvonareva - Red Clay: French Open 03 vs. Venus or Berlin 03 vs Myskina. (also maybe something in Prague 08)

JCTennisFan
Feb 18th, 2012, 10:20 PM
However it's worth mentioning that Sharapova has beaten no one of any note on grass since her 2004 win. I mean her highest ranked win since then was Dementieva in 2006. Plus all her losses to Jackson, Dulko, Kudryavsteva hardly inspire assurance that it's still a great surface for her. Her movement is a massive liability on the surface these days, and her serve is too erratic.
It's pretty obvious to me that her best surface is and will always be hardcourts.

Very well written post. Sadly I think her weaknesses are not on just grass but on all surfaces now. Her movement isnt really all that bad... its never gonna be a strength but its not Davenportesque either. I believe that her court sense and anticipation might be the bigger reasons behind her sometimes poor defense.

However the ultimate problem is and will remain to be the serve :( If she feels like she is confident enough to be hitting near 100 mph 2nd serves on said day then she should go for it. However, when she is feeling off she absolutely has to develop a safer 2nd Serve. Idealy due to her height and long arms I would think a good kick serve could be possible for her. It would still allow her to push the opponent back but would be a safer all around option to going for broke with a 90-100 mph flat serve and risking a DF.

Cajka
Feb 18th, 2012, 10:43 PM
@justineheninfan
You are wrong, Woz didn't play Henin in IW, or I'm nuts?

Nope.. it was Miami or something.

In The Zone
Feb 18th, 2012, 11:10 PM
Not this shit again :lol:

Even if we are arbitrarily splitting her career into pre- and post-shoulder surgery, she has made a Slam final on both grass and hardcourts since the surgery and still hasn't made one on clay (yet :angel: ), so as of now clay remains clearly her worst surface :wavey:

Sharapova has shock losses left and right on hardcourts. On clay? Not anymore, excluding Madrid for the altitude.

Losses on hardcourts: Date Krumm, Pennetta, Kirilenko, Petkovic (who she would later beat on clay - just saying). 3rd set tiebreak against Dulgheru? GRETA ARN? Razzano? Voskoboeva, etc. etc. Shall I go on?

She gets trounced by Wozniacki on hardcourts and beats her on clay. She gets trounced by Serena on hardcourts, wins a set off her on clay.

Plus, look at Sharapova's Wimbledon and AO draws. Excluding the Kvitova AO SF win (which says more about Kvitova's hardcourt ability than it does Maria's), Sharapova beat no one of note.

Look at RG. Had she not gotten tight against Na, she would have completed the Career Slam. She is a legitimate contender at RG. In fact, of the 4 slams, she has the best shot to win her next slam there than the others. The other slams will always have someone who does what she does better.

SM
Feb 18th, 2012, 11:26 PM
Dokics win over Venus in qtr finals Rome 2000 dropping just 3 games. Played so aggressive on every ball, and they all went in.

claypova
Feb 18th, 2012, 11:40 PM
Sharapova has shock losses left and right on hardcourts. On clay? Not anymore, excluding Madrid for the altitude.

Losses on hardcourts: Date Krumm, Pennetta, Kirilenko, Petkovic (who she would later beat on clay - just saying). 3rd set tiebreak against Dulgheru? GRETA ARN? Razzano? Voskoboeva, etc. etc. Shall I go on?

She gets trounced by Wozniacki on hardcourts and beats her on clay. She gets trounced by Serena on hardcourts, wins a set off her on clay.

Plus, look at Sharapova's Wimbledon and AO draws. Excluding the Kvitova AO SF win (which says more about Kvitova's hardcourt ability than it does Maria's), Sharapova beat no one of note.

Look at RG. Had she not gotten tight against Na, she would have completed the Career Slam. She is a legitimate contender at RG. In fact, of the 4 slams, she has the best shot to win her next slam there than the others. The other slams will always have someone who does what she does better.

Maria just happened to find form in Rome last year :unsure: she played like shit in almost all of her RG matches :lol:

Linguae^
Feb 18th, 2012, 11:44 PM
Nope.. it was Miami or something.

Yes, it was Jelena who stamped her in that IW 2010 final.

jameshazza
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:09 AM
The reason why Masha has good results on clay is she uses a bit more kick which helps her serve a lot. Also, at RG the balls are lighter so it's now a better surface for the big hitters than it was beforehand. And from a mental perspective, she's had her worst results on clay all of her career, so she never feels pressure on the surface IMO (except last years RG SF :help:).

Plus she's come to learn than she can't just bash her way about a clay court, she actually has to adapt to it. OTOH the next couple of seasons will prove if last year was somewhat a fluke combo of Masha finally hitting form in a diminished field or whether she has genuinely improved immensely on the surface, I'd pick the latter.

Also, I love if she has long clay court seasons 'cus it improves her movement each year. And her movement is not a liability on grass anymore than it is on any other surface - 'cus its straight after the clay court season and as already said her movement is improved. Masha has personally stated this herself and it is evident in her performance at Wimbly last year (not the final - if your head's not there, your feet definately won't be. Everyone knows that.)

Going back to the thread her best clay match is still her loss to Henin in 2010.

dsanders06
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:23 AM
Sharapova has shock losses left and right on hardcourts. On clay? Not anymore, excluding Madrid for the altitude.

Losses on hardcourts: Date Krumm, Pennetta, Kirilenko, Petkovic (who she would later beat on clay - just saying). 3rd set tiebreak against Dulgheru? GRETA ARN? Razzano? Voskoboeva, etc. etc. Shall I go on?

She gets trounced by Wozniacki on hardcourts and beats her on clay. She gets trounced by Serena on hardcourts, wins a set off her on clay.

Plus, look at Sharapova's Wimbledon and AO draws. Excluding the Kvitova AO SF win (which says more about Kvitova's hardcourt ability than it does Maria's), Sharapova beat no one of note.

Look at RG. Had she not gotten tight against Na, she would have completed the Career Slam. She is a legitimate contender at RG. In fact, of the 4 slams, she has the best shot to win her next slam there than the others. The other slams will always have someone who does what she does better.

Jesus Christ, people are trying to claim that title favourite Kvitova is a cakewalk draw now? :happy: That win alone topped any she has ever got at RG.

And of course she's going to have more bad losses on hardcourts than on clay in absolute numbers, because there's a hell of a lot more hardcourt tournaments on the calendar :facepalm:

dsanders06
Feb 19th, 2012, 12:29 AM
Clay is still ostensibly a bad surface for Sharapova. Her movement is ridiculously clumsy and ungainly and her serve doesn't get the required acceleration she generally needs to be successful. However she has a competitive mindset for clay, which lends itself to her mini-achievements on the surface. Sharapova hits a much heavier ball, with more topspin, and that allows her rallying ball generally to move off the court more aggressively, and thus she can rally more adeptly than in 2004/05, where she was working with a much flatter ball that had much less facility, especially if the courts got slow and damp.

However it's worth mentioning that Sharapova has beaten no one of any note on grass since her 2004 win. I mean her highest ranked win since then was Dementieva in 2006. Plus all her losses to Jackson, Dulko, Kudryavsteva hardly inspire assurance that it's still a great surface for her. Her movement is a massive liability on the surface these days, and her serve is too erratic.

It's pretty obvious to me that her best surface is and will always be hardcourts.

I largely agree with this post - I think it is very possible to argue her game is more proficient on clay than on grass these days (though statistically she remains a better player on grass than on clay until she proves otherwise by winning RG), primarily because her movement on grass has deteriorated since she won Wimbledon. Which isn't really connected to her surgery/general decline - I remember back when she played Pennetta at Wimbledon back in 2006 that her movement and footwork was noticeably poorer than it had been on grass in previous years, probably because that was the first year that she'd reached her full height and found it so much harder to scoop up the low-bouncing balls than in 2004 when she was ~3 inches shorter.

But there's no way she's ever going to be a better player on clay than on hardcourts.

Mustafina
Feb 19th, 2012, 02:47 AM
Myskina and her magical 2004 Roland Garros run.

Saving MPs against Kuznetsova, completely outplaying Venus and Capriati and we all know what transpired in the final.

hurricanejeanne
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Davenport against Clijsters on RG.

:drool:
This match still gives me such joy. It was awful quality, but ended up all about nerves.

hobahobaspirit
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:36 AM
Sharapova has shock losses left and right on hardcourts. On clay? Not anymore, excluding Madrid for the altitude.

Losses on hardcourts: Date Krumm, Pennetta, Kirilenko, Petkovic (who she would later beat on clay - just saying). 3rd set tiebreak against Dulgheru? GRETA ARN? Razzano? Voskoboeva, etc. etc. Shall I go on?

She gets trounced by Wozniacki on hardcourts and beats her on clay. She gets trounced by Serena on hardcourts, wins a set off her on clay.

Plus, look at Sharapova's Wimbledon and AO draws. Excluding the Kvitova AO SF win (which says more about Kvitova's hardcourt ability than it does Maria's), Sharapova beat no one of note.

Look at RG. Had she not gotten tight against Na, she would have completed the Career Slam. She is a legitimate contender at RG. In fact, of the 4 slams, she has the best shot to win her next slam there than the others. The other slams will always have someone who does what she does better.

:wavey: She has more humiliating losses on hardcourts because she plays more matches on hardcourts than on clay Genius :rolleyes:

If she played 10-12 clay tournaments, she would have more WTF random losses on the surface too. She plays only RG and 1 or 2 warm-ups.

Yoncé
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:39 AM
Serena '03 RG QF :drool:

In The Zone
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:40 AM
:wavey: She has more humiliating losses on hardcourts because she plays more matches on hardcourts than on clay Genius :rolleyes:

If she played 10-12 clay tournaments, she would have more WTF random losses on the surface too. She plays only RG and 1 or 2 warm-ups.

No. Those are way too much. Even Venus does not have that many and Venus wouldn't lose to as bad as players.

Sharapova plays a full clay schedule and only has bad losses at Madrid. That's not a coincidence. Sharapova does not lose early at Roland Garros and she gets upset at OZ, USO, WIM.

The argument isn't necessarily hardcourts are her worst but it's definitely not clay.

Moveyourfeet
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:49 AM
Serena's annihilation of Momo in 03, was due to amaze tennis from her coupled with Momo being totally buckling under the massive expectation of her home country.

The 02 Rome final against Henin was just :worship:. It wasn't the dominating performace of the 03 RG qf, but she faced a much more capable opponent, and to me, her level in the Rome Final was higher. She actually had to play a clay court match, with protracted rallies, and that was the best I've seen her move on red clay.

faboozadoo15
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:01 AM
Sharapova against Stosur in Rome last year or against Pierce also in Rome back in 2005, when Pierce made the RG final a couple of weeks later.

She played a nice match against Wozniacki too, especially considering she had just won 3 games in their last meeting, on a hardcourt.

faboozadoo15
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Sharapova has shock losses left and right on hardcourts. On clay? Not anymore, excluding Madrid for the altitude.

Losses on hardcourts: Date Krumm, Pennetta, Kirilenko, Petkovic (who she would later beat on clay - just saying). 3rd set tiebreak against Dulgheru? GRETA ARN? Razzano? Voskoboeva, etc. etc. Shall I go on?

She gets trounced by Wozniacki on hardcourts and beats her on clay. She gets trounced by Serena on hardcourts, wins a set off her on clay.

Plus, look at Sharapova's Wimbledon and AO draws. Excluding the Kvitova AO SF win (which says more about Kvitova's hardcourt ability than it does Maria's), Sharapova beat no one of note.

Look at RG. Had she not gotten tight against Na, she would have completed the Career Slam. She is a legitimate contender at RG. In fact, of the 4 slams, she has the best shot to win her next slam there than the others. The other slams will always have someone who does what she does better.

You do realize she plays probably 5 tournaments on hardcourts for each tournament on clay. It's a long season, and it's only natural to have some upsets.

faboozadoo15
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:11 AM
No. Those are way too much. Even Venus does not have that many and Venus wouldn't lose to as bad as players.

Sharapova plays a full clay schedule and only has bad losses at Madrid. That's not a coincidence. Sharapova does not lose early at Roland Garros and she gets upset at OZ, USO, WIM.

The argument isn't necessarily hardcourts are her worst but it's definitely not clay.

That's crap. Venus doesn't play anywhere now and still has as many WTF losses as the next top player.

dsanders06
Feb 19th, 2012, 03:55 PM
No. Those are way too much. Even Venus does not have that many and Venus wouldn't lose to as bad as players.

Sharapova plays a full clay schedule and only has bad losses at Madrid. That's not a coincidence. Sharapova does not lose early at Roland Garros and she gets upset at OZ, USO, WIM.

The argument isn't necessarily hardcourts are her worst but it's definitely not clay.

Suarez Navarro, Pennettax2, Pironkova, Razzano, Chakvetadze, Cibulkova, Kateryna Bondarenko, Pavlyuchenkovax2......

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Suarez Navarro, Pennettax2, Pironkova, Razzano, Chakvetadze, Cibulkova, Kateryna Bondarenko, Pavlyuchenkovax2......

Doesn't look that dis-similar to the players Sharapova can lose to on any surface.

Apoleb
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Crapova has been playing worse and worse ever since that Wimbledon final. I'm not sure what's the point of discussing her worst surface. She sucks on all of them.

doomsday
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Crapova has been playing worse and worse ever since that Wimbledon final. I'm not sure what's the point of discussing her worst surface. She sucks on all of them.

:lol:

jameshazza
Feb 19th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Crapova has been playing worse and worse ever since that Wimbledon final. I'm not sure what's the point of discussing her worst surface. She sucks on all of them.

:spit:

RenaPova
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Crapova has been playing worse and worse ever since that Wimbledon final. I'm not sure what's the point of discussing her worst surface. She sucks on all of them.

She's reached 2 out of the last 3 grand slam finals. Even though she got beaten in both and bageled at Australia (:fiery:) she still has been the most consistent player at grand slams for the last year. So she doesn't suck, but I do feel that she has recently started to play more cautiously in the big moments like grand slam finals, and trying to play cautiously with Sharapova's playstyle is just asking to lose.

Stonerpova
Feb 19th, 2012, 06:55 PM
The best match Sharapova's played on clay is probably the 2005 French Open vs. Chakvedaze. She was en fuego that day.

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:07 PM
Sharapova has shock losses left and right on hardcourts. On clay? Not anymore, excluding Madrid for the altitude.

Losses on hardcourts: Date Krumm, Pennetta, Kirilenko, Petkovic (who she would later beat on clay - just saying). 3rd set tiebreak against Dulgheru? GRETA ARN? Razzano? Voskoboeva, etc. etc. Shall I go on?

She gets trounced by Wozniacki on hardcourts and beats her on clay. She gets trounced by Serena on hardcourts, wins a set off her on clay.

Plus, look at Sharapova's Wimbledon and AO draws. Excluding the Kvitova AO SF win (which says more about Kvitova's hardcourt ability than it does Maria's), Sharapova beat no one of note.

Look at RG. Had she not gotten tight against Na, she would have completed the Career Slam. She is a legitimate contender at RG. In fact, of the 4 slams, she has the best shot to win her next slam there than the others. The other slams will always have someone who does what she does better.
Agreed.

tennisfan5
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Monica vs. Navratilova Wimbledon SF 1992

madmax
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:16 PM
Crapova has been playing worse and worse ever since that Wimbledon final. I'm not sure what's the point of discussing her worst surface. She sucks on all of them.

cool story brah

Charlatan
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Crapova has been playing worse and worse ever since that Wimbledon final. I'm not sure what's the point of discussing her worst surface. She sucks on all of them.

Flopoleb at it again :lol:

Brad[le]y.
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:18 PM
Domi: Wimbledon 2011 R4 vs Caro; too bad she wasted all her energy there and had nothing left in the tank for Martha :(

Mr.Sharapova
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:39 PM
Maria's best match on clay for me is her match against Safina at the French Open 2008. Even though she lost she played superb throughout the match and loved how she constructed the points and played really smart.

If only matches won are counted then her match against Schnyder in Rome 2008 is my favorite one :yeah:.

faboozadoo15
Feb 19th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Sharapova has had some real dogfights against Schnyder on clay (any court for that matter).

Maria's match against Nadia at RG in 2009 was also quite emotional.

Break My Rapture
Feb 19th, 2012, 08:07 PM
I remember Henin 2.0 playing one the best matches of her second career against Petrova in Wimbledon, but I'm not sure if grass is indeed her worst surface.

Sammo
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:33 PM
Sam Stosur usually plays pretty good in Eastbourne...

Ferg
Feb 19th, 2012, 09:51 PM
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I was drunk watching it so forgot how great Marion played here.

vozas
Feb 20th, 2012, 08:19 AM
Maria against Wozniacki in Rome last year. It was a great match from both of them.

The Dawntreader
Feb 24th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Maria's best match on clay definitely against Wozniacki in Rome last year. I'd actually say her match (loss) against Justine at RG'10 comes in pretty high.

Serena's best on clay was against Mauresmo in the RG03 QFs.

Venus's best on clay would probably be one of her wins over Pierce or Hingis way back in 1999/early 2000s.

Justine's best on grass is....maybe against Kim in the Wimbledon '06 semis? :shrug:

Capriati, Wimbledon 2001.

angelabarnes38
May 21st, 2012, 12:08 PM
Well, we all know that clay isn't the best tennis court surface (http://www.plexipave.com/tennis/plexicushion.html) there is, so I'd have to say Federer's losses in the French Open.

Marcus1979
May 21st, 2012, 12:11 PM
Not even close. Justine played better matches against Capriati in the 2001 Wimbledon semis, Serena in the 2007 Wimbledon quarters, Kuznetsova in the 2003 Wimbledon quarters, Seles in the 2002 Wimbledon quarters.

Anyway Justine's worst surface is not grass, but fast U.S Open style decoturf. I know that sounds funny when she has 2 U.S Open titles, another final, and a dominant Indian Wells win in 2004, but she also has a whopping 5 round of 16 defeats at the U.S Open. Contrast that to rebound ace, grass, carpet, medium hard courts, where she is always making late rouns. Despite that she is still far better than Kuznetsova on it or any other surface, contrary to what AcesHigh believes. :lol:

Venus's best match on clay was the 1999 Hamburg final vs Mary Pierce which she won 6-3, 6-0. A close 2nd would be beating Justine Henin on clay at Charleston in 2002 after being down 6-2, 4-0.

Serena's best match on clay would be the 2002 Rome final where she beat Justine Henin in straight sets.

Sharapova's best match on clay would actually probably be the Rome final where she crushed Stosur.

Clijster's best match on grass would be her Wimbledon round of 16 win over Henin at Wimbledon 2010, her only ever decent win on grass.

Davenport's best match on clay would be crushing Mary Pierce in the 1997 Charleston final.

Hingis's best match on grass would be her 3 set win over an injured Novotna in the 1997 Wimbledon final.

Kuznetsova's best match on grass would be the 2007 Wimbledon quarters where she got 7 games off of Venus Williams.

Wozniacki's best ever match on hard courts would either be the 2010 WTA Championships final where she lost to an erratic and off form Kim in 3 sets, or the 2010 Indian Wells final where she managed to win a set then win 4 games in the last 2 sets vs a sluggish and past her prime Henin.


Kvitova's best ever match on outdoor hard courts would be her performance vs Kirilenko at the 2011 Australian Open. For a full match her straight sets win over Stosur at the 2011 Australian Open, where Sam actually played very well and just got outplayed, or her straight sets win over a pretty good Ivanovic at this years Australian Open. Maybe even her 3 set loss to Sharapova at this years Australian where she played well for most of the match despite her usual errors binge, and played in god mode during the 2nd set.

Mauresmo's best ever match on fast U.S Open style decoturf (her worst surface, like Justine) was her 3 set win over Clijsters at the 2002 U.S Open. Her 3 set win over her pigeon Capriati only came due to a big choke from Capriati when serving for it in 2 sets, she played crap most of that match in fact. She played pretty well in her 3 set loss to an off form Venus in the semis, and got screwed on some major line calls that might have cost her the match.

Close it was Green clay but that was the AMelia Island Final in 2002.

Israel
May 21st, 2012, 12:17 PM
Petra's best clay match was probably vs. Vika in Madrid last year...

Marcus1979
May 21st, 2012, 12:18 PM
And it's hard to choose for Venus - a match on clay because before 2003, Venus had no problems on clay. Once she had the ab injury, that's when the shit shows on clay started to pour in.

P.S. The 6-2 4-0 deficit to Henin was at Amelia Island, not Charleston ;)

Serena over Mauresmo at RG 03 is a good choice for best clay match.

I would agree with heninfan that Henin's worst surface is hard courts. She did not have a grass problem - she had a mental Wimbledon problem. For all the credit Henin gets for her mentality, she was one of the mentally weakest champions there has ever been. Her eyes were always glued to Carlos and she could unravel at any moment, including up big on a nobody in a slam semifinal. Her best match on hardcourts would maybe be the 07 USO SF against Venus. She was pounding first serves in the high 110s and her forehand was so deep and penetrating.

Barbara Schett roland garros opening round, 2001 ;)

DefyingGravity
May 21st, 2012, 12:50 PM
Serena on red clay: The 2002 SF against Capriati or the 2003 SF against Henin at Roland Garros.

Venus on Plexicushion: This is a lot harder, because Venus's Australian Open performances have been marred since the surface change with abundant injuries. I would probably say she played her best against Domachowska in the 4R in 2008, or maybe even a few of her 2010 matches. The surface literally does nothing to reward Venus's game. At least red clay rewards her willingness to play defense.

Clijsters on grass: Wimbledon 4R against Davenport

Ivanovic on grass: Wimbledon QF against Vaidisova

Marcus1979
May 21st, 2012, 12:56 PM
Rebound ACe was not normally a good surface for Venus, at the AO she only made the SF twice (2001 and 2003) and a few QF like 2002

she had some bad losses there such as a 6-1 6-1 loss to Hingis in 2001, the loss to raymond in 2004

her best win was probably against Henin in 2003.

danieln1
May 21st, 2012, 01:14 PM
Davenport def. Clijsters RG 2005 coming back after 1-6 1-3 down.

She just decides to play some real tennis because she looked desinterested up to that point. And when she plays well, her opponent is just no match for her.