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mk27
Feb 11th, 2012, 03:37 PM
(4)Agnieszka Radwanska (POL) v BYE
Q v Tamira Paszek (AUT)
Q v Q
Anastasiya Yakimova (BLR) v (16)Julia Goerges (GER)

Dispeker
Feb 11th, 2012, 04:01 PM
1st round: Yakimova
2nd round: qualifier/qualifier
3rd round: possible Radwanska

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/1003/MDS.pdf

No expectations at all. Another encounter against Aga would be great though. Big opportunity to make amends for what happened at the AO.

maturedgirl
Feb 11th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Wieder ein AF gegen Radwanska in Sicht.:help:

Rovegun
Feb 11th, 2012, 05:31 PM
Wieder ein AF gegen Radwanska in Sicht.:help:

ja, aber mit Julia weisst du nie :D aber hoffentlich kann sie 2 Matches gewinnen, ob sie gesund ist.

matthias
Feb 11th, 2012, 05:39 PM
erstmal muss sie das Achtelfinale erreichen, bei Julia weiss man ja nie

Vikapower
Feb 11th, 2012, 05:49 PM
No expectations at all. Another encounter against Aga would be great though. Big opportunity to make amends for what happened at the AO.

Yeah. Julia had her opportunities in GDF Suez a Premier tournament, typically next tournament generally P5 she gets an unplayable draw -- :yawn: e.g, Carlsbad, Montreal etc...

I hope she at least makes the 3rd round, it's still 125 points and 95 points more than her 16th best result.

joy division
Feb 11th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Any information about her "injury"? I`m not sure whether she can play at Doha.:shrug:

I guess Julia would have gone there anyway to get used to the conditions.
Her next tournament Dubai is just around the corner and for her cough it`s better anyway.:)

Michael!
Feb 11th, 2012, 09:27 PM
Well, I hope that Julia is healthy again, then 3rd round should be her goal here!
Yakimova is a player without any big weapons, should actually suit Julia, should win that, then against a qualifier in 2nd round, also winnable.

Hoping for a re-match against Radwanska, she will lose again there (we have to stay realistic) but would have the chance to make it better than in Melbourne at least.

joy division
Feb 12th, 2012, 06:34 AM
Well, I hope that Julia is healthy again, then 3rd round should be her goal here!
Yakimova is a player without any big weapons, should actually suit Julia, should win that, then against a qualifier in 2nd round, also winnable.

Hoping for a re-match against Radwanska, she will lose again there (we have to stay realistic) but would have the chance to make it better than in Melbourne at least.

To be true, what is realistic with Julia ?:)
Most likely Radwanska has her number after the disaster at Melbourne.
I still clutch at straws that Julia can beat her on a good day. (like nearly any other player on the tour)
But what she needs to have a good day on the court is unknown.:D
She has to be halfway healthy at least.
And, not worthy to mention anymore, she`s always in for a bad surprise and go out earlier, so we`ll see.
All the best for Julia at Doha

_inocencia_
Feb 12th, 2012, 10:54 AM
To be true, what is realistic with Julia ?:)
Most likely Radwanska has her number after the disaster at Melbourne.
I still clutch at straws that Julia can beat her on a good day. (like nearly any other player on the tour)
But what she needs to have a good day on the court is unknown.:D
She has to be halfway healthy at least.
And, not worthy to mention anymore, she`s always in for a bad surprise and go out earlier, so we`ll see.
All the best for Julia at Doha


i'm sorry i think you're wrong here. Julia CAN beat her, but only, and only IF aga drops her current level. aga is worst possible match up 4 jule, she put everything back in court, and that makes jule crazy, cause she just can't hit a winners, and she begins to make silly mistakes a tragedy to watch.. R1 should be easy:hearts:, 6-3, 6-3, or sth:bounce:, if jule is not "injured":tape: :lol:

don't get me wrong, i love jule but, "injury" starting to "trouble" her, after double break down, o pls:p:help:

Skoo
Feb 12th, 2012, 11:57 AM
i'm sorry i think you're wrong here. Julia CAN beat her, but only, and only IF aga drops her current level. aga is worst possible match up 4 jule, she put everything back in court, and that makes jule crazy, cause she just can't hit a winners, and she begins to make silly mistakes a tragedy to watch.. R1 should be easy:hearts:, 6-3, 6-3, or sth:bounce:, if jule is not "injured":tape: :lol:

don't get me wrong, i love jule but, "injury" starting to "trouble" her, after double break down, o pls:p:help:

There is at least one worse match up for Julia, namely Vika :) (well, Vika is the worst for about everyone except Petra)

Against Aga, it will depend more on how much will she be able to set up winners of forced errors with her serve, or directly get serve winners. Certainly, a decrease in Aga's performance will help, but you can't really do much when Julia is serving well. Like in every other match up, she will most likely not win the majority of the rallies and, as we have too often witnessed, it doesn't matter much who is on the other side, because she will start spraying balls when she's not "connected". One difference would be that she has more chances against players that also tend to beat themselves and the scoreline is usually more gentle for her against them :)

Get over that "injury", she was just hysterical, how else can you be when things go so wrong? :lol:

Rovegun
Feb 12th, 2012, 12:32 PM
I think everyone can beat anyone in womens tennis nowadays and I believe Julia is able to beat Aga but everything has to go in her way... she has to be confident on her serve and the 1st serve has to work you can hardly win the match when you play 50% of first serve the best players can use this and gain points easily... Julia´s game is similar to Petra´s or Vika´s one she´s got strong serve, powerful strokes but she´s not consistent and that´s the main reason why she´s not top 10.. Julia talks about it very often and tries to work on but we can see Julia is not like a star she likes going step by step and that´s her way of improving... I definitely belive she´s got talent to be top 10 one day...

joy division
Feb 12th, 2012, 12:45 PM
i'm sorry i think you're wrong here. Julia CAN beat her, but only, and only IF aga drops her current level. aga is worst possible match up 4 jule, she put everything back in court, and that makes jule crazy, cause she just can't hit a winners, and she begins to make silly mistakes a tragedy to watch.. R1 should be easy:hearts:, 6-3, 6-3, or sth:bounce:, if jule is not "injured":tape: :lol:

don't get me wrong, i love jule but, "injury" starting to "trouble" her, after double break down, o pls:p:help:

I think that it`s usually not Julia`s style to handle a loss and beside that, she has probably not enough talent to put on an "injury" show.:lol:
Maybe she just felt something tweaking and she was irritated in the heat of the moment by that, but we`ll probably never know.:)
I agree with you that Aga is a smart and very good defensive player and therefore she is overall a bad match-up for Julia.
And she is not prone to be "driven crazy" herself, as happened in her match against Angie at the US Open last year, but you can`t compare Angie`s and Julia`s game.

After her loss at Melbourne it`s probably even harder for Julia to be successful against Aga, where she seemed to be completely clueless about what to do on the court.
It`s obviously not easy for her to get these kind of losses right out of her mind when you look at the matches against Azarenka and Sharapova. This might be the main point.
Anyway, when Julia`s service is working and her game is on for the most of the time, she can shoot her simply of the court. Also Aga is not guarded against that.

Vikapower
Feb 12th, 2012, 02:19 PM
i'm sorry i think you're wrong here. Julia CAN beat her, but only, and only IF aga drops her current level. aga is worst possible match up 4 jule, she put everything back in court, and that makes jule crazy, cause she just can't hit a winners, and she begins to make silly mistakes a tragedy to watch.. R1 should be easy:hearts:, 6-3, 6-3, or sth:bounce:, if jule is not "injured":tape: :lol:

don't get me wrong, i love jule but, "injury" starting to "trouble" her, after double break down, o pls:p:help:

That's not only right for Radwanska, Julia will struggle against any counter-pucherish style or controlled aggressive types of opponents.

Radwanska with the type of tennis she plays, counter-punching, her level doesn't drop that much or it's not that particularly visible -- the only factors that does make her really drop is fatigue, illness, injuries etc... where she'll be a step slower, otherwise she's quite constant and always plays near best. I think it's a false chase to hope for that.

Now, even if Radwanska theoretically drops her level it depends which type of Julia you see -- Radwaska's B level is still enough to pummel B-Julia which as far as can recall in GDF Suez is extremely junioresque, mediocre, invisible and pathetic I'm only speaking of the second set there.

Julia's A game is able to get rid of Radwanska and again, Radwanska also Kerber has a science/vision of the game that really works well against certain types of automatic/robotic players [...] we know how Julia can be obsessed at times with striking winners ; you need composure, good mental stability and the offensive game, it has to be as one -- that's how Vika, Maria etc... gets rid of her, as soon as they're not top in one of these 3 Radwanska really really gets under their skin.

LinusVanPelt
Feb 12th, 2012, 07:25 PM
İf Jules would be on her day, only azarenka can stop her. You are being sardonic i think.. Radwanska actually is an overrated player, but yes radwanska>julia, for these days. Radwanska is stabile and well-balanced. But i have to admit that, radwanska's good defense can ruin julia's game style, and when it happens Jules cant stand her effective counter-attacks and then -as we all know- Jules mentally-breakdown happens julia lost tragically again. We cant -and shouldnt- expect Radwanska's bad performance, she is a stable player. So; all julia can do is playing less aggressive and "logical" and protecting her mind from the useless and harmful thoughts during the game i think..

LinusVanPelt
Feb 12th, 2012, 07:31 PM
I think everyone can beat anyone in womens tennis nowadays and I believe Julia is able to beat Aga but everything has to go in her way...
you are absolutely right. i mean can anyone guess that Julia could win the stuttgart? Or is there any one who guessed julia would suffer a defeat from "zakopalova"? Who is she? seriosly,what the fuck?

cosmoose
Feb 12th, 2012, 07:42 PM
Jules better start winning lot of matches because Kerber is now only 20 ranking points behind her.
I think it would bruise her ego to be #4 German.

And there is Mona, who just keeps winning and virtually nothing to defend.

Dispeker
Feb 14th, 2012, 06:02 AM
Julia Görges vs. Anastasiya Yakimova: today 2nd match after 1:30 pm CET on court 1. Seems there will be no live stream.

Edit: C'mon Jule! :cheer:

Rovegun
Feb 14th, 2012, 09:50 AM
good luck, Jule! pretty bad there´s no stream.... hope Julia will build on her 1st and 2nd round performance from Paris...

Vikapower
Feb 14th, 2012, 03:04 PM
Well if Julia hadn't beat Yakimova I guess there'd some worries, we'll see how next round goes. :)

HowardH
Feb 14th, 2012, 03:18 PM
Yakimova seemed to help Julia out a lot with DFs etc. Next round will be different, Lepchenko is lefty as well so hopefully Julia's bh is up to the task. Julia can win of course and is the favourite, but I don't think Lepchenko will help her out as much as Yakimova did today.

CillyUltra
Feb 14th, 2012, 04:01 PM
Absolute must-win for Julia.

Michael!
Feb 14th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Good scoreline here, good that Julia seems to be healthy!
Yakimova was a must win, Lepchenko will be harder, she already played some matches here and she can be dangerous.
I hope that Julia´s serve will work and that she won´t make too many errors with her fh, then she should be able to overpower Lepchenko, a defeat here would be a disappointment, good luck!

Vikapower
Feb 14th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Absolute must-win for Julia.

You're speaking about her 2nd. round match ? Yeah, I concur -- Personally, I just want Julia to bring the 125 points home that's my unique interest.

She'd be in competition to take a place between the 16th and 19th mark with 2530 points depending on how the other players like Daniela, Ana etc... perform.

#kArLoS#
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:03 PM
62 62,that was easy,as it should of been ;).I´m happy she didnt screw this great chance to reach the r2.

Tomorrow,she´s 2nd on C3.Plays the akward player that Lepchenko is :p

G&R
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Nice win today but she has to stay focused,Lepchenko can be tricky. Good luck Julia!

joy division
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Compared to the last season Julia has better draws till now.
It helped her so far to be pretty successful.
Lepchenko also is absolutely beatable. The day of truth is against Aga again.

#kArLoS#
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:19 PM
BTW just looked at their H2H,Lepchenko won their only meeting :eek:

It was on ITF Marseille ´10,r1,and Lepchenko took it 64 64.It was just after RG that year :eek:

joy division
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:24 PM
BTW just looked at their H2H,Lepchenko won their only meeting :eek:

It was on ITF Marseille ´10,r1,and Lepchenko took it 64 64.It was just after RG that year :eek:

Well, that`s ages ago - no need to be :eek: or:unsure:, I think.;)

#kArLoS#
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:25 PM
Well, that`s ages ago - no need to be :eek: or:unsure:, I think.;)

Thing is,Lepchenko is weird and Julia isn´t the most steady player out there. I´m confident she´ll get through though,but not 100% sure :p. Like me,everyone thinks she should win,but we´ll see tomorrow,I guess :p

Skoo
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:34 PM
^^
that you are unromantic - I knew it from a long time, but now I see, you are the terrible pessimist too :yawn:
Lepchenko will be only a walk, and Radwanska must win 2nd round yet :p

Romantics are pessimists :lol: But I am neither. I am a realist, my assumptions are statistical (based on what usually happens) :p Guess what, I am optimistic about Aga reaching the third round :)

joy division
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:40 PM
Romantics are pessimists :lol: But I am neither. I am a realist, my assumptions are statistical (based on what usually happens) :p Guess what, I am optimistic about Aga reaching the third round :)

You see, these are pretty much skeptical thoughts in it`s original sense.;):lol:

#kArLoS#
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Romantics are pessimists :lol: But I am neither. I am a realist, my assumptions are statistical (based on what usually happens) :p Guess what, I am optimistic about Aga reaching the third round :)

Me too,though I hope Keothavong somehow wins :lol:

joy division
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I´m confident she´ll get through though,but not 100% sure

Who ever she plays, you will never ever fail in mentioning something like that in the context with Julia.:D

#kArLoS#
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:50 PM
Who ever she plays, you will never ever fail in mentioning something like that in the context with Julia.:D

haha that´s her nature. And as a fan,we have to be used to it :angel:

silesia
Feb 14th, 2012, 05:58 PM
Romantics are pessimists :lol:
But I am neither. I am a realist, my assumptions are statistical (based on what usually happens) :p

It's just boring and unattractive :D
And I don't think you like Julia for her psychological aspects or statistical capabilities :devil:

joy division
Feb 14th, 2012, 06:03 PM
haha that´s her nature. And as a fan,we have to be used to it :angel:

It`s in about the same when you say - I guess there must be water in the ocean.:)

However, this one little Grand Slam where she just plays her best game and nothing else would be just awesome.

Skoo
Feb 14th, 2012, 07:22 PM
You see, these are pretty much skeptical thoughts in it`s original sense.;):lol:

Don't you mean the other meaning? :)

Me too,though I hope Keothavong somehow wins :lol:

If she does, she might beat Julia as well. Now I'm pessimistic :)

It's just boring and unattractive :D
And I don't think you like Julia for her psychological aspects or statistical capabilities :devil:

What is boring and unattractive?

You could say she is quite a fighter, so that is one psychological aspect one might like about her. IDK about her statistical capabilities, but I just love her statistics sometimes (especially from the match against Peer) :) Who am I kidding? Of course, she's only tits and ass for me :lol:

Dorien.
Feb 14th, 2012, 07:33 PM
Solid win :yeah:

_inocencia_
Feb 14th, 2012, 07:44 PM
i dislike THE FACT that she is playing against lepchenko
she is potential danger, sth like klara :tape:
come on jule, win this one, you should :hearts:

silesia
Feb 14th, 2012, 08:28 PM
What is boring and unattractive?

Your "realistic" cheering = complaining for a week before the game, that Julia will lose :lol:

so, on topic: Julia in Doha 5 years ago :p

http://home.arcor.de/stamps/goerges_petkovic_doha.jpg

Skoo
Feb 14th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Your "realistic" cheering = complaining for a week before the game, that Julia will lose :lol:

A statistical statement, be it a complaint or whatever, is not a certainty. Julia will probably lose against Aga with this kind of performance :) The odds were also against her when she won Stuttgart. Anything can happen, but most of the time, what we didn't want to happen, did happen :)

TennisRacist
Feb 15th, 2012, 02:00 AM
Romantics are pessimists :lol: But I am neither. I am a realist, my assumptions are statistical (based on what usually happens) :p Guess what, I am optimistic about Aga reaching the third round :)

I was realist at point of my life, then the realism turned me into pessimist


http://home.arcor.de/stamps/goerges_petkovic_doha.jpg

Theyre so beautiful and cute on that picture, would hug :awww:

HowardH
Feb 15th, 2012, 04:42 AM
What a cute pic that is! Julia's expression is adorable.

robpal
Feb 15th, 2012, 06:08 AM
Jule, get to the 3rd round and I will be happy ;)

Omega1
Feb 15th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Solid win:p

crazillo
Feb 15th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Wow, 2,5h for two sets, crazy match. But she should have won that one.

Vikapower
Feb 15th, 2012, 04:38 PM
I really believe now that clay can't come any earlier, Dubaï, IW and Miami seem really really [...] ugh :(

silesia
Feb 15th, 2012, 04:40 PM
@Skoo: I told you shouldn't worry about a match with Radwanska. :silly: (such a black humor...)


sorry, but that is just embarrassing, I am so sick of such scorelines :lol:
Lepchenko is for sure not easy to play but those wasted chances, just awful!
41* *53 in first set
*10 *32 *43 and *65 in 2nd set, but obviously not enough, even worse than against Zakopalova and that was awful already, so great, she never learns obviously, just awful!
Don´t need to talk about her serve, getting broken 4 times in one set against Lepchenko, I am almost happy that we don´t need to see her losing to Radwanska 16 16 again.

Still looks pretty good when we look at the points but she really was lucky with draws as well, she can play some great tennis here and there, but no consistency and still no mental strength at all. How can she lose matches like that , I will never understand it, especially not as she just wasted her chances against Klara before and now the same thing happened again, just 10x times worse. Don´t even wanna know what she writes on FB, more than disappointing :o

Great summary. Something is going wrong with her, no doubts. Maybe the Olympics pressure is too big. Especially, since so suddenly jumped Kerber and Barthel.

Dorien.
Feb 15th, 2012, 04:43 PM
This is disappointing :sad: She should win matches like this. :hug:

#kArLoS#
Feb 15th, 2012, 04:53 PM
I have literally no words for this. This was a criminal loss :tape:

I hope she gets her act together in Dubai,altough the draw should be harder :help:

Vikapower
Feb 15th, 2012, 05:15 PM
I have literally no words for this. This was a criminal loss :tape:

I hope she gets her act together in Dubai,altough the draw should be harder :help:

Seriously I hate the fact that she lost so stupidly in Paris. This kind of losses can really tweak her mind in the opposite direction and here are we now heading to a tragedy. :rolleyes:

I really hope not but Julia is really making things so so so difficult. :sobbing:

Dispeker
Feb 15th, 2012, 05:16 PM
Ah come on guys, no need to worry. She will learn a lot from it after all. And because she is such a dilligent learner, those kind of losses will never ever ever ever happen again! Just never again! :cheer:

#kArLoS#
Feb 15th, 2012, 05:18 PM
Seriously I hate the fact that she lost so stupidly in Paris. This kind of losses can really tweak her mind in the opposite direction and here are we now heading to a tragedy. :rolleyes:

I really hope not but Julia is really making things so so so difficult. :sobbing:

Well,TBH in Paris she seemed to be in a lot of pain and could barely walk by the end of the match,so it can serve as excuse,but today´s loss? There are no words for this :weirdo:

Just thinking about the potentially 1r opponents in Dubai makes me dizzy..:help:

CillyUltra
Feb 15th, 2012, 05:37 PM
You're speaking about her 2nd. round match ? Yeah, I concur -- Personally, I just want Julia to bring the 125 points home that's my unique interest.

I meant her 1st round win. As a necessary reaction to her disastrous performance against Cetkovska, but it's obsolete now anyway.

Ian Aberdon
Feb 15th, 2012, 06:01 PM
Guys, I think Jules will learn from her mistakes...

...she'll learn them, then repeat them upon request! :lol: :sobbing:

HowardH
Feb 15th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Ah come on guys, no need to worry. She will learn a lot from it after all. And because she is such a dilligent learner, those kind of losses will never ever ever ever happen again! Just never again! :cheer:

Guys, I think Jules will learn from her mistakes...

...she'll learn them, then repeat them upon request! :lol: :sobbing:

Absolutely. She's clearly a very good learner. Rote learning style.

Michael!
Feb 15th, 2012, 06:26 PM
Great summary. Something is going wrong with her, no doubts. Maybe the Olympics pressure is too big. Especially, since so suddenly jumped Kerber and Barthel.

I don´t know if she really thinks about the Olympics, those defeats are just too typical for her, those already happened in past as well.
I don´t really know it, I mean, she probably doesn´t know it herself otherwise she would be able to change it.

Sometimes she can dominate a match with her 1st serve totally and then she completely fails, today her return wasn´t that bad for sure as she broke Lepchenko many times but instead her serve was terrible. I said that before, some up´s and down´s are normal, especially if you play like Julia but those wasted chances are just too much, I think she even had BPs for a 51 lead in 1st set, in 2nd set she was 4x break ahead, all not enough, already happened last year several times and she can´t change it obviously, that is the most worrying IMO.

She has great serve potential, many options there, not understandable to me at all that she can lose her serve often 3 or 4 times in a row against players like Lepchenko.

And she really had easy draws so far this year, that´s why she is ranked pretty high still and alreaady earned many points but her ranking will be much worse after Stuttgart/Madrid and then she obviously will have much tougher draws and then I don´t even wanna think about what happens :help:

U also never see a tendency, she can play 4 horrible matches and then suddenly play a great match just to lose against world no 100 in next match again.
In Stuttgart she played great against Kvitova, then continued with good play in Paris, then fails suddenly against Zakopalova and now that, seems just :cuckoo: to me.

Not to mention that she hasn´t beaten a top 10 or top 20 player for ages but i don´t even expect that from her tbh these days, only expect her to beat players like Zakopalova or Lepchenko when she has the chance, but even that seems too be too much for her :(

CillyUltra
Feb 15th, 2012, 06:54 PM
Julia on twitter:
I have to give credit to my opponent today,played extremely well today and unfortunately couldnt use my chances!fought until the end,wasn't enough today,unfortunately!good thing:u get every week a new chance in tennis��tmrw doubles3rd after3.30pm with Zheng Jie or better Jay Z��

Skoo
Feb 15th, 2012, 06:54 PM
@Skoo: I told you shouldn't worry about a match with Radwanska. :silly: (such a black humor...)

I guess I was optimistic too, after all :lol:

robpal
Feb 15th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Same thing happened last year (disastrous performances in South America and IW/Miami/Charleson). We just have to get used to the fact that she can play a few tournaments in the year on her top level :sad: But calm down, she's gonna win something this year :cool:
Luckily she reached R16 of AO. Pity, that she choked twice in last 6 days...

TennisRacist
Feb 15th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Julia on twitter:

At least Julia, knows how to lose with class :oh:

Omega1
Feb 15th, 2012, 09:07 PM
Julia lost in the second r.again Lepchenko is a shame.
How can i los from such a dassy player .
She should seriously consider the change of coach.

moviemac
Feb 15th, 2012, 10:46 PM
She should seriously consider the change of coach.

Why haven't you yet suggested Sabine change her coach? :confused: She lost in R1. Kerber, Barthel and Görges all made R2 and they should all change coaches but not Sabine...!? :confused:

:rolleyes:

TotalExpert
Feb 16th, 2012, 01:49 AM
lol.. Omega1 also proposed change of Angie's coach
i think hes trolling..

or is this kind of revenge of suggesting Sabine to change coach ?

Johnbert
Feb 16th, 2012, 06:57 AM
Ah come on guys, no need to worry. She will learn a lot from it after all. And because she is such a dilligent learner, those kind of losses will never ever ever ever happen again! Just never again! :cheer:

:clap2::aparty:

maturedgirl
Feb 16th, 2012, 07:44 AM
She should seriously consider the change of coach.

Are you crackers?
What Jule needs is a :help::help::help:

Rovegun
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:03 AM
come on, guys! wake up! whenever someone loses he/she needs a new coach? oh my god... coach is not on the court but the player! Sascha Nensel has made a lot of work with Julia and has helped her a lot.... all is in Julia not in her coach...

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:37 AM
As Julia sees any evidence in changing her coach and Bobbele would be interested, he would be my first choice.
He`s a very good motivator, could tell her things about tennis that she has never heard of and probably help her in discovering other valuable aspects of this sport.
But I guess this will never happen.



http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4257/1835781lightbox4f3b9e62.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/1835781lightbox4f3b9e62.jpg/)

maturedgirl
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:48 AM
As Julia sees any evidence in changing her coach and Bobbele would be interested, ...[/URL]

:lol: great idea if you want her to get a mother :baby:

:drool: surely he would be interested in...:devil:

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 09:56 AM
:lol: great idea if you want her to get a mother :baby:

:drool: surely he would be interested in...:devil:

I knew by 100 % this would come, but so quick! :eek::lol:

Anyway, if Boris somehow could maintain discipline, I`d stick to my proposal.:angel:

Dispeker
Feb 16th, 2012, 10:55 AM
He`s a very good motivator, could tell her things about tennis that she has never heard of

Yeah, and surely he could also show her some broom closets she has never heard of..

(Sorry, just couldn't resist :D)

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Yeah, and surely he could also show her some broom closets she has never heard of..

(Sorry, just couldn't resist :D)

Yes, and elevators are also very dangerous, therefore she should avoid to rent hotel rooms above the second floor, I know.:lol::rolleyes:


To be serious, I`d like to know what she really thinks about her stagnation on a pretty high level.
Julia`s ambitious statements obviously do not justice to her own expectations.

Can`t imagine that this from her homepage is it everything:(
Februar 15
Closed match
Julia loosed unfortunately in Doha against Varvara Lepchenko from USA 6:7 (4:7), 6:7 (5:7) in a tough match after 2:31 hours match time.

Dispeker
Feb 16th, 2012, 11:38 AM
Idk. Her problems are all mental. That's pretty obvious to me. And as long as she doesn't work on that, we will enjoy many more "surprising" losses.

Skoo
Feb 16th, 2012, 11:44 AM
^^ My money's on the physical side, which could also have an impact on mental stuff, like patience. I don't think there is a mental problem that makes you serve progressively worse :)

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 11:58 AM
It`s like the question, which was first - the chick or the egg.
These two sides belong together and can`t be separated.

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:15 PM
Lepchenko is much more competitive against Radwanska than Julia was at Melbourne.
4-4 in the first set, Lepchenko looks even better so far.

Dispeker
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:17 PM
^^ My money's on the physical side, which could also have an impact on mental stuff, like patience. I don't think there is a mental problem that makes you serve progressively worse :)

:lol: We are going around in circles on this for the last months or so. For me, the physical issues are not the main problem. I mean, this girl almost beat the world no.2 and then loses to actually much inferior players only shortly after.

Skoo
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:19 PM
It`s like the question, which was first - the chick or the egg.
These two sides belong together and can`t be separated.

Yes, but I think the virus came first :)

Lepchenko is much more competitive against Radwanska than Julia was at Melbourne.
4-4 in the first set, Lepchenko looks even better so far.

Yeah, she might even win this set :eek:

Skoo
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:25 PM
:lol: We are going around in circles on this for the last months or so. For me, the physical issues are not the main problem. I mean, this girl almost beat the world no.2 and then loses to actually much inferior players only shortly after.

Well, yes, that indicates it is not mainly a mental problem. She came into Paris with a lot of confidence and played extremely well the first match. Then the second was not so good and the third even worse. My hunch is she can't play many matches, she doesn't have the strength now. Of course, when things don't go her way she gets frustrated and this makes it worse. But the fact that things don't go her way is basically because her serve becomes less efficient as the tournament proceeds.

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:25 PM
Yes, but I think the virus came first :)

:lol:But some are affected by the virus and some not. Why ? For physical reasons ?



Yeah, she might even win this set :eek:

Yes, but she choked a la Julia.:rolleyes::lol: 5-5

Skoo
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:31 PM
:lol:But some are affected by the virus and some not. Why ?

Because of genetic differences, fitness and general emotional state :) Oh, and very important, the ammount of effort one does. The relationship follows a so-called J-curve (http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/fatigue.html).


Yes, but she choked a la Julia.:rolleyes::lol: 5-5

:lol: Too bad, Julia would really have an excuse if Aga gets it.

joy division
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:42 PM
general emotional state :)

Some more circles - What is that and what moves it.

Yes it must be gens and enzymes and God.:lol:


:lol: Too bad, Julia would really have an excuse if Aga gets it.

5-7. Unlucky she has :D

Dispeker
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Well, yes, that indicates it is not mainly a mental problem. She came into Paris with a lot of confidence and played extremely well the first match. Then the second was not so good and the third even worse. My hunch is she can't play many matches, she doesn't have the strength now. Of course, when things don't go her way she gets frustrated and this makes it worse. But the fact that things don't go her way is basically because her serve becomes less efficient as the tournament proceeds.

I think it does. When she is motivated, focussed etc. she's almost unplayable. But - as you said - as soon as things don't go her way she gets too easily distracted. And this is mainly a mental problem imo.

Edit: I'm out of this discussion - it drives me mad somehow :D A never-ending story.

Skoo
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Some more circles - What is that and what moves it.

Yes it must be gens and enzymes and God.:lol:

You hear often about "handling pressure". If "pressure" is the general emotional state, it could have a significant impact on health. Come on, don't act like you don't know that :lol: (see also the edit, in case you have missed it, I think she might be overtraining)

I'm sorry, but there have been no studies that investigated the relation between god and health :lol:




5-7. Unlucky she has :D

Myeah. But it was close, so she still has a pretty good excuse :)

Skoo
Feb 16th, 2012, 12:51 PM
I think it does. When she is motivated, focussed etc. she's almost unplayable. But - as you said - as soon as things don't go her way she gets too easily distracted. And this is mainly a mental problem imo.

So why would she be extremely motivated against Peer and not against Zakopalova? Indeed, distraction contributes (probably) to her losses, but why do things go her way so rarely? I think here we don't have a mental problem, but the cause of poor weapons and subsequent mental problems. Or she feels pressure from all the horny men and women who are drooling over her :lol:

Edit: I'm out of this discussion - it drives me mad somehow :D A never-ending story.

Relax, you're gonna catch a cold :lol:

CillyUltra
Feb 16th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Beyond The Baseline @SI_BTBaseline
Fantastic. Julia Goerges calls her doubles partner "Jay Z". As she should. Now if she could just convince Zheng to call her "Beyonce"...

moviemac
Feb 16th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Beyond The Baseline @SI_BTBaseline
Now if she could just convince Zheng to call her "Beyonce"...

She could call her "Bouncy" ;), which is close enough... :oh:

Oh and btw, they won their doubles match 64 62, making it 4 German girls in 3 pairs in the doubles quarters.

silesia
Feb 16th, 2012, 04:56 PM
^^^

Yeah super, now we have 4 doubles specialists :lol: :tape:

CillyUltra
Feb 16th, 2012, 07:07 PM
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8959/112304755normal1.jpg Julia Goerges @juliagoerges
Won our doubles today in straight sets,played pretty well!
tmrw quarters 3rd match after 3.30pm again http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/844/53507582.pngcome on jay z http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2262/76866768.pngmassage
now+off to bed! http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9420/92569077.png

Omega1
Feb 17th, 2012, 08:10 AM
:lol: great idea if you want her to get a mother :baby:

:drool: surely he would be interested in...:devil:

:lol: :lol: :lol: great idea :lol:

Dispeker
Feb 17th, 2012, 08:39 AM
Relax, you're gonna catch a cold :lol:

I didn't mean to sound overly dramatic ;) It's just that we have been puzzling over the reasons for all these strange performances for so long already. And it's useless actually because Ms. Görges won't learn anyway. I mean, just look at her tweet from yesterday:

enough today,unfortunately!good thing:u get every week a new chance in tennis?tmrw doubles3rd after3.30pm with Zheng Jie or better Jay Z

Sounds like: „Why should I bother thinking about the reasons for this loss? Far too exhausting. (I get a new chance anyway)“

Skoo
Feb 17th, 2012, 10:54 AM
You are right about the talks, Dispeker, though the reasons are not so mysterious for me. Not that I know what happens, but I believe in the "virus hypothesis" :) And maybe she doesn't have much to say. She's not in the shape to have strong performances, but she still gets a lot of chances, misses by only a bit or gets frustrated and erratic and she should stop doing this, but it's very hard in practice. And, yes, a new week, a new chance, albeit a smaller one :)

Vikapower
Feb 17th, 2012, 01:48 PM
Lepchenko is much more competitive against Radwanska than Julia was at Melbourne.
4-4 in the first set, Lepchenko looks even better so far.

Here's my rant about the Lepchenko-gate. :lol:

We both and all know Julia's problem is in her head -- you know, it's very probable that Julia ends with a could have done better but didn't tag. She's really stagnating despite all the auto-brain storming she does to herself privately trying to convince the most profound parts of her subconsciousness body that she is to be and maybe not made to but also publicly via the means we know excluding webcams-- trying the same to us, certainly a product of her irrationality on the situation (?) of her lack of perspective (?) The questions about the effectiveness of the coach now becomes questionable if these questions are admitted to be true (?).

Note the author intended to play voluntarily with explicit and abstract ideas

Julia's objectives are high but the progress made to attain these are pretty minim and it's not the mechanics in luck that didn't work for her, pay attentions to her draws -- and it comes to my impressions though the latter in plural is a fallacy since there's only one adequate sense to give an opinion on Julia eventually that there are girls of her country who has done almost everything she has in a shorter period. First we can think of but my thoughts always was initially unto Kerber who is one year older.

Julia 'prime'd' earlier than the example we're using yet she still finds herself with the similar or almost (?) achievements as the player we cited, not that it's a problem but just how the gap has reduced -- not only does that illustrate so but also in the rankings, on the verge of being over passed -- She is what ? She is 21 in technical WTA and RACE rankings, just a simple top 20 player for real ? A player could be ranked 20 and totally be ranked in the RACE higher significance perhaps of their true value, Julia, she's just equal to herself 20-21 <> 20-21 content to stay in that stage where she's neither a good player neither a bad one --

Just good enough to lose to players she shouldn't technically be losing to and get thumped by the better players she should theoretically be losing to certainly though not at the extent as the loss to Radwanska because of the talent we know her ; she is also good enough to strike a few wins here and there but also that better than good to lose to the proportions she's been the last few matches. A fact, Einsteins of the JuliaGnaute spaceship -- Julia's losses are more memorable than many of her beautiful wins, that's a fatality and hope : she loses bad but wins often most of times easily to lose bad -- Yay.

Didn't get it ? The fatality is you know she'll lose bad, the hope that she will string the 2-3 matches to lose bad -- it's like pushing someone under the guillotine, it hurts because it's Julia yet you can not hope for her to not go and take the bad/stupid defeat it'd be to her disadvantage.

It's really impossible to tell if that'll change, I'm really hopeful that it will really but it is a beautiful fatality and endearing destruction for ourselves to realize that she seems to be the perfect profile of the player who through time might keep navigating in a mid-average like mediocre state with amazing talent then when we will be all old and all married, JugsLia and JugsLaw, not playing on words, Jude Law, our childs : 'If only...' to them she/we will murmur in regret.

silesia
Feb 17th, 2012, 01:51 PM
I didn't mean to sound overly dramatic ;) It's just that we have been puzzling over the reasons for all these strange performances for so long already. And it's useless actually because Ms. Görges won't learn anyway. I mean, just look at her tweet from yesterday:

Sounds like: „Why should I bother thinking about the reasons for this loss? Far too exhausting. (I get a new chance anyway)“

YOU :(

You, who just made me remarks in FedCup thread about negative thoughts, you are in depression now ??

To quote you: "Oh Mann, immer die Fokussierung auf das Negative und dieses Anspruchsdenken. Nicht gewonnen, gleich alles scheiße " :D You even saw, in Lisicki's play: "Riesenmatch gegen Kvitova"
C'mon baby ! Her tweet was good. Non "was tough match, will learn from it" only instead: "I couldn't use my chances (..) was not enough today" and she just sees only one positive thing: "u get every week a new chance in tennis" - to solace her and her fans. It's a big improvement from her :) You don't have to bother yourself.

Don't get hysterical like Julia in Paris :lol:

She said in Paris, in an interview with Polish journalist, that she didn't know if she qualifies for the Olympics. She is aware of it. And that Olimpics was always her dream. So I think a shock begins...

silesia
Feb 17th, 2012, 02:59 PM
The next positive thing is Julia will be higher in wta-ranking next week: No #19 :lol:

Don't beat me, I'm only an informer :p

joy division
Feb 17th, 2012, 03:58 PM
Something positive also from her doubles match against first seed Huber/Raymond.
They won the first set 7-6. Jie Zheng lost her service game twice, but they broke back immediately.:yeah:

Skoo
Feb 17th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Vikapower, I need to use Google translate to understand what you mean. Heidegger would be proud of you :lol:

Yay, she's a top 20 player again and no one can deny it :lol:

moviemac
Feb 17th, 2012, 05:01 PM
Damn. 6 straight points after 27* in the match tiebreaker against Huber/Raymond. Still not enough. :(
They should have won this in 2 sets. They started so well in the 2nd with a love break. Then Jule went to Deuce from 0-40 down but still got broken back. No more breaks after that. :facepalm:

CillyUltra
Feb 17th, 2012, 08:11 PM
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8959/112304755normal1.jpg Julia Goerges @juliagoerges
Lost7:6,6;7,9:11 to huber/raymond with jay zhttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2262/76866768.pngon my side!was fun
and great quality of playing!still pissed but good effort,off to dubai http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9420/92569077.png
tmrw Playing doubles there with Jay Z againhttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2262/76866768.png#loveit thanks for the nice
here in doha-see you next yearhttp://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8994/60263408.pngbed nowhttp://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1682/dsdsdsym.png