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MartianJoeyWinson
Nov 13th, 2002, 07:49 PM
Having just had a dodgy angle poised lamp catch fire... it wasn't great timing considering the Firefighters are all on strike.

So be extra vigilant with fire safety, if something in your house looks dodgy, dont use it. Don't leave the oven on... basically, keep safe all of y's.

Number one tip on chip pan fires... never throw water on them. It'll take your face off.

Use a damp teatowel, place it over the chip-pan (after turning it off at the wall. Or alternatively use a CO2 extinguisher if you have one. Which, not many people have in the house... but you may have at work. You get the general idea.

Another tip is to not wear shellsuits, reasons being

1) They are highly flammable
2) It's not 1987 anymore. You'll look like a fool, or an eccentric 40 year old keep fit fanatic.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 07:54 PM
lol @ Shellsuits

22k someone said they earnt and they feel they are underpaid

Maybe some are, but the ones in my area were busy knocking down my door and window then realised the blokes the other side had got in 2 minutes earlier and I had to pay for my damages :rolleyes:

MartianJoeyWinson
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:05 PM
I think it's quite awful, asking for a 40% payrise and the way they see fit to go about making themselves heard is to put lives at risk. It is almost criminal.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:27 PM
A woman has already died

Veggy
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:27 PM
I think it's awful too about asking for a 40% pay rise, they've already been offered 11% as a pay rise, already at the moment they are on a hell of a lot more than nurses are, considering that both my parents are staff nusrses, they practically do the same job which is saving people's lives, why don't they just accept the pay rise, it's better than nothing which is what they will be getting if they carry on going on strike and putting people's lives at risk.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:28 PM
It was just on the news, a newsflash in middle of United game, the woman died as it took 9 minutes for the replacements to arrive

Barrie_Dude
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:32 PM
Ahhhhhhh.... If you need a fireman, I suggest that you ring up Julie! She has been known to keep a few fireman on hand in case of, ahhhhh, emergency?:rolleyes:

wongqks
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:37 PM
I think it is ridiculous that what they are moaning and for a job which aim to save lives, they deserve a big fat :rolleyes: if someone have the misfortune of getting killed becuase of these, I hope those people in charge of making the strike get prosevuted fro manslaughter

Princess Fiona
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:38 PM
A woman has died? Oh, that's dreadful... :sad:

I don't claim to be an expert here but a lot of the firefighters will have families to support and to strike is not a decision to take lightly. I think to "be" a firefighter you need a lot of compassion and courage. I hope this situation is resolved soon...

wongqks
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Britney_SMG_MJH
It was just on the news, a newsflash in middle of United game, the woman died as it took 9 minutes for the replacements to arrive

They will never get any sympathy from the general public now :fiery:

Double Fault
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:41 PM
IMO this strike is morally wrong.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:50 PM
True firefighters do it because they want to save lives, not for the money, although we all want to have a wage

Dahveed
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:54 PM
Well it'd be interesting to post some article stating what they want, how they are paid, what are they complaining about etc. to see if we can criticise this action or not.

I personally have a huge respect for firefighters and i do believe they deserve to be well-paid.

Princess Fiona
Nov 13th, 2002, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Britney_SMG_MJH
True firefighters do it because they want to save lives, not for the money, although we all want to have a wage

Why would a firefighter choose such a profession, then? :confused: I don't think I could charge into a burning building... A lot of these people have young families and have to make a decent living.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 09:05 PM
Because it is well paid already Franziska, it brings acclaim to them as well.

They may have young families, but would you risk peoples lives for money?

No decent human being would

Basically they want a 40% payrise and have only been offered 11%

Like Veggy said, nurses save lives and don't complain much, they are underpaid.

Firefighters ruined my place when they didn't need too and the ones in my town are rude and arrogant

They are all guilty tonight of manslaughter

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 09:09 PM
Apparently they broke there picketline to go to the fire, but not straight away

She could have been saved

Nice to here they tried and that some firefighters are decent but shouldn't have happened

Princess Fiona
Nov 13th, 2002, 09:25 PM
Britney_SMG_MJH, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with firefighters in your town and again, the death of the woman tonight is an unbelievable tragedy. To reiterate, though, I believe you have to be of a caring nature to consider a career in firefighting - I personally have tremendous respect for these people. There was a case on the news this evening concerning a firefighter with a young family who's had to take a second job and he spoke of how it hurt him to have to strike. I can't bring myself to believe that firefighters are suddenly these heartless, greedy "bad guys"...

Again, I very much hope that this issue is resolved soon!

Halardfan
Nov 13th, 2002, 09:33 PM
I believe the firefighters do deserve a signifcant rise, though 40% is a long way out of the question, for the simple fact that once granted, every other public service worker will demand the same...now you might argue that they would deserve such a rise, but it would deal a huge blow to the economy and indeed the governments broader spending/ tax plans....bear in mind inflation is only currently around 2% here....

One (positive?) side effect might be a delay to the conflict in Iraq with many thousands of military personel occupied fire fighting...

Dahveed, here is an article for yesterday, setting out some of the basic arguements in the strike...it shows I think the complexity of it all...


"Troops in ageing green goddess fire tenders were on standby last night to answer emergency calls from 6pm tomorrow after firefighters' leaders rejected a proposed 11% pay offer over two years linked to comprehensive changes in working practices.
Downing Street and fire chiefs were braced for the first national walkout by civilian crews across the UK for 25 years when the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) reacted angrily to a report from a Whitehall-appointed inquiry that ministers hoped would help resolve a dispute that threatens to develop into an industrial and political crisis for Tony Blair.

Andy Gilchrist, the FBU general secretary, dismissed the rise - including 4% already turned down this year - suggested by Sir George Bain's review as "insulting" and said the 48-hour stoppage would go ahead as planned unless local employers effectively dump the Bain report during crunch negotiations today.

"He has effectively wrecked the pay talks. We are currently employed on a salvage operation to see if there is any hope of putting things back together again," said Mr Gilchrist.

The 11% increase outlined in the Bain report, in response to a 40% pay claim by the FBU, was lower than anticipated by a number of senior figures on the employers' side as well as among the union leadership and a TUC bureaucracy that had attempted to find common ground.

The rise is linked to far-reaching reforms linking extra cash to changes in shifts, recruitment, working patterns and reintroduction of overtime, all of which the FBU opposes.

Nick Raynsford, the fire service minister, defended the 22-page Bain report and its 56 recommendations, urging the FBU leadership to reconsider its finding and not put lives at risk by striking. "I believe most fair-minded people would regard it as a good basis for the future terms of the fire service," he said.

The FBU leadership is under enormous grassroots pressure to sanction tomorrow's 48-hour strike after postponing three earlier walkouts to take part in negotiations brokered by deputy prime minister John Prescott.

Crews voted 9 to 1 in a high turnout in a postal ballot to strike in favour of the 40% claim, which would raise the salary of a qualified firefighter from £21,531 to £30,000 a year.

The two-year package floated by Bain would increase earnings to around £24,000, less than the £25,000 after a proposed 16% rise dangled in front of union leaders by fire authority negotiators in July - until ministers advised employers it would not fund the award.

Sir George, who brought forward publication of his report after approaches from the government and employers, said the fire service had a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity to modernise.

Far from finding the FBU's claim for 40% justified, the Bain inquiry concluded that firefighters are reasonably well rewarded for the jobs they do with no brigades struggling with recruitment problems.

"Even allowing for the risks and dangers of the service, firefighters compare well with similar jobs in the public and private sectors," said the report. "When holidays, pension arrangements and job security are taken into account, they are even better placed."

These conclusions will make it difficult for local employers to offer more in an attempt to avert the strike; the inquiry even criticised one concession granted by employers by coming out against a new formula to trigger annual increases linked to skilled workers.

If the 48-hour strike does go ahead tomorrow it will be followed by a series of eight-day strikes, each starting at 9am, from November 22, December 4 and December 16.

Nearly 20,000 service personnel with more than 800 green goddesses deployed during the last national fire strike, a nine-week dispute in 1977-78, have been deployed to army barracks and other military bases ready to respond to 999 calls.

The Ministry of Defence has admitted that the cover will fall short of the assistance provided by regular firefighters.

Mr Gilchrist said the 11% two-year offer was neither the "significant nor substantial" increase the union believed would be tabled by the Bain committee.

Leftwingers in the union saw it as a vindication of their decision to boycott Bain after they argued that the inquiry's appointments and terms of reference had been set to produce an offer on the low side.

"We are beginning to suspect that those in the dark corners of Downing Street are deliberately trying to provoke a strike," said Mr Gilchrist.

"They appear to believe it is some strange political rite of passage for Tony Blair. There is no question that the government knew exactly what it was doing.

"To hype up talk of a substantial pay rise and then deliver this is just a slap in the face."

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 13th, 2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Franziska
Britney_SMG_MJH, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with firefighters in your town and again, the death of the woman tonight is an unbelievable tragedy. To reiterate, though, I believe you have to be of a caring nature to consider a career in firefighting - I personally have tremendous respect for these people. There was a case on the news this evening concerning a firefighter with a young family who's had to take a second job and he spoke of how it hurt him to have to strike. I can't bring myself to believe that firefighters are suddenly these heartless, greedy "bad guys"...

Again, I very much hope that this issue is resolved soon!

I'm sure alot of firefighters are caring, but 40%? That is pure greed, 11% is way enough and that is what they have been offered, it's our taxes that pay for them to save people, not kick my home down carelessly, although on that occasion my flatmate had a right go at them so maybe they've had enough punishment :o she really does moan alot :o

Sure, alot of them do a good job, but a 40% payrise? Alot of them feel pressured to strike, sure alot of it is down to there bosses greed.

Striking endangers lives, sadly we have seen that within hours tonight. I expect my taxes to be used to the maximum.

I don't expect i will be getting a refund? No, that would be too greedy of me.

In general they do there job to a respectable standard, i have no qualms there, and i'm sure alot of them wish to support there families, but not at the expense of others lives, they are not doing there jobs correctly then.

Monica_Rules
Nov 13th, 2002, 10:20 PM
I'm quite sadded by what has happened 40% is a joke they want top go from £22,000ish to about £30,000 thats too much.

There waige sounds quite decent to me they may deserve a pya rise but 40% is ridiculas!

whorehand
Nov 13th, 2002, 10:33 PM
They have a decent wage since firefighters only work 4 days a week. Not bad for working half of the year. So 11% would seem reasonable, plus they considered adding a further 7% on next year. It's just greed IMO. Its true, they could potential be killed by there job, but firefighters are only in a fire situation 6% of the time. If they get this pay rise, it will just open the flood gates to ever other public service demanding a rightly deserved wage increase.