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The Kaz
Nov 5th, 2011, 03:44 PM
The first edition was quite promising with the RR format but after 2 horrible editions it is time that this useless tournament be laid to bed?

I want WTA Bali back! :mad:

Sammo
Nov 5th, 2011, 03:46 PM
I also want WTA Bali back, but this year is the last that this... Tournament of Champions is held in Bali, next year it will be in Sofia, Bulgaria :spit:

The Kaz
Nov 5th, 2011, 03:53 PM
I also want WTA Bali back, but this year is the last that this... Tournament of Champions is held in Bali, next year it will be in Sofia, Bulgaria :spit:

That is even worse!

Tatcher
Nov 5th, 2011, 03:54 PM
It's the most useless tournament :o

Bismarck.
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:04 PM
I liked the event in 2009 because you actually had to play a decent amount of matches to win the title (IMO, the minimum should be four matches played) and the wildcard situation wasn't so absymal.

sammy01
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:11 PM
it has AMG and ivanovic in the final, it should not only be scrapped it should award minus points!

Sammo
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:16 PM
That is even worse!

IKR? 3 consecutive years with Pironkova as a Wildcard :sobbing:

currie84
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:17 PM
It's obvious your problem is Ana winning not the tournament itself.So no it's not goin anywhere soon,it's here to stay until Baby Anci gets tired of liftin the trophy :wavey:

danieln1
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:19 PM
The first edition was quite promising with the RR format but after 2 horrible editions it is time that this useless tournament be laid to bed?

I want WTA Bali back! :mad:

No, you should be abolished from here from saying so much crap lately, your hating on Ana is so disgusting, get a life

Bali is great :)

Sammo
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:24 PM
No, you should be abolished from here from saying so much crap lately, your hating on Ana is so disgusting, get a life

Bali is great :)

We all like Bali, she's talking about the format of the tournament.

A-Bond
Nov 5th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Somehow I like the idea of the Tournament. But I also think a player should at least have to win 4 matches to win the title. What I loved what the place Bali itself, great destination to end the year, Players can play Tennis in the evening and enjoying the beach and the great facilities there. But I'd prefer it as a normal WTA-Event. With that format it was clear that they would always get a nice line-up of competitive players but never with a Top-Player.

The imagination of holding the Event in Sofia is just scary, really. I mean no beaches, sunshine and so on. This will be a sad Tournament. Maybe WTA can surprise us, like they did with Istanbul, but I'm not really confident. Plus, now the Tournament is much more comparable with the championships in Istanbul. I mean the Top Players go to Istanbul, the B-Champions to Sofia, sounds stupid IMO:

bbjpa
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:13 PM
I also want WTA Bali back, but this year is the last that this... Tournament of Champions is held in Bali, next year it will be in Sofia, Bulgaria :spit:

Maybe Pironkova will be a WC next year :happy:

No need to win a title to be in this tournament of champions , right ? :help:

:no:

Apoleb
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:16 PM
No, keep it. It's a genius idea and provides for much needed laughter and lightheartedness at the end of the season. Even the name "Tournament of Champions" looks like has been picked for that very reason.

All the more appropriate that Ana is the one owning it.

hurricanejeanne
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:24 PM
It's such a pointless tournament. I get the idea, but what's the point in doing a proper YEC and then the scrub version? Especially since the scrub version is after the proper YEC.
They may as well just go back to the old 16 player YEC single knockout format instead of splitting them up. :shrug:

Temporary0369
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:27 PM
No, you should be abolished from here from saying so much crap lately, your hating on Ana is so disgusting, get a life

Bali is great :)

Whoa. WHOA. Last time I checked this is TennisForum and The Kaz is allowed to speak his/her mind. Aren't you the one who gave me a bad rep that one time? You are out of control. Out of control. Who would do such a thing?


(Kidding if not obvious)

SAISAI-GOAT
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:28 PM
this tournament is just WTA trying to hand Ana a title :sobbing:

King Halep
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:29 PM
it has AMG and ivanovic in the final, it should not only be scrapped it should award minus points!

your a hard man sammy01

Apoleb
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:34 PM
We will all be looking forward when Wozniacki becomes the standout name. :oh:

The Princess of Sofia. That sounds so nice.

Nicolás89
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:46 PM
it should be held a week before YEC. :)

LightWarrior
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Yeah it looks like a bad exhibition. And Ivanovic WC...

-Sonic-
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Far too many points awarded for few too few matches played.

Macomere
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:05 PM
so how is Ana going to win titles if they abolish it? :sobbing:

cn ireland
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Yes, it is a completely meaningless tournament.

Matt01
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:15 PM
It's obvious your problem is Ana winning not the tournament itself.So no it's not goin anywhere soon,it's here to stay until Baby Anci gets tired of liftin the trophy :wavey:


:lol:


No, keep it. It's a genius idea and provides for much needed laughter and lightheartedness at the end of the season. Even the name "Tournament of Champions" looks like has been picked for that very reason.

All the more appropriate that Ana is the one owning it.


So mean. :crying2:

Orbis
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:44 PM
so how is Ana going to win titles if they abolish it? :sobbing:

Linz :hearts:

Cajka
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:51 PM
If the finalists were Lisicki and Petrova, this stupid poll-thread would never be made. :rolleyes: I can't imagine what will happen on this board if she ever becomes relevant again. :hearts:

propi
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:52 PM
THe idea is great, a good chance for regular players to have their momentum for example Vinci's year has been amazing she deserves to be in some kind of champion tournament. I only dislike the WC thingy but the rest is more than fine :yeah:

MB.
Nov 5th, 2011, 08:26 PM
Yeah it looks like a bad exhibition. And Ivanovic WC...

This. I want Ana to win titles, but not shit like this--she doesn't win a tournament all year, yet her and Peng both somehow get to attend the supposed "Tournament of Champions".

It should be moved to a week before YEC, no WCs, and be done RR like the YEC.

tejmeglekvár
Nov 5th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Yes. Looks like a joke, but its too serious to be considered as a joke.
Even crappiest Tashkent champion needs 5 wins for the title.

Fighterpova
Nov 5th, 2011, 09:13 PM
There should be a YEC for players ranked 9-16 :shrug:
The same format as YEC with 2 groups of 4 players.

jonny84
Nov 5th, 2011, 09:24 PM
There should be a YEC for players ranked 9-16 :shrug:
The same format as YEC with 2 groups of 4 players.

I like.

Remember when the Top16 played a straight-knockout at the YEC?

Think that would be fairer, and you would still get a high calibre of players to play in a RR format.

eDonkey
Nov 5th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Somehow I like the idea of the Tournament. But I also think a player should at least have to win 4 matches to win the title. What I loved what the place Bali itself, great destination to end the year, Players can play Tennis in the evening and enjoying the beach and the great facilities there. But I'd prefer it as a normal WTA-Event. With that format it was clear that they would always get a nice line-up of competitive players but never with a Top-Player.

The imagination of holding the Event in Sofia is just scary, really. I mean no beaches, sunshine and so on. This will be a sad Tournament. Maybe WTA can surprise us, like they did with Istanbul, but I'm not really confident. Plus, now the Tournament is much more comparable with the championships in Istanbul. I mean the Top Players go to Istanbul, the B-Champions to Sofia, sounds stupid IMO:

I don't get it what is the problem with Sofia. This year they went to beaches, next year they can go skiing, for example? :shrug:
And we had a top player this year - Bartoli.:rolleyes:

Lord Choc Ice
Nov 6th, 2011, 12:34 AM
lol nobody would be saying this if it was Sabine in the final instead of Ana or AMG :lol:.

Temperenka
Nov 6th, 2011, 12:43 AM
I like the idea.... but I think it should be expanded to 16 players.

SOMETHING needs to be changed about it, because as many have pointed out, it's worthless.

bbjpa
Nov 6th, 2011, 12:48 AM
Yes 16 players , where are Dominguez Lino, Scheepers and Brianti :eek:

:lol:

Cp6uja
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:13 AM
To force such superstars like Serena, Maria or Ana to must to play more than three matches to win some title is pure blasphemy. We finally have some tournament which realize that. :shrug:

Adrian.
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Yes. Looks like a joke, but its too serious to be considered as a joke.
Even crappiest Tashkent champion needs 5 wins for the title.

Next year the Woz will have to play it, and it won't be a joke then I guess:oh:

danieln1
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:24 AM
To force such superstars like Serena, Maria or Ana to must to play more than three matches to win some title is pure blasphemy. We finally have some tournament which realize that. :shrug:

:bowdown:

maddogz48
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:39 AM
it has AMG and ivanovic in the final, it should not only be scrapped it should award minus points!

:lol: This tournament really is a joke and needs to go.

The Tournament of Champions is for scrubs who cannot win Slams. Grand Slam Champions should be banned from taking part in this farce.
Ivanovic needs to stop playing this crap.

Cp6uja
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:49 AM
:lol: This tournament really is a joke and needs to go.

The Tournament of Champions is for scrubs who cannot win Slams. Grand Slam Champions should be banned from taking part in this farce.
Ivanovic needs to stop playing this crap.Tomorrow will be hers careers last match on THIS y.e.c. anyway :shrug:

Patrick345
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:58 AM
They should just extend the YEC to 16 players, four groups. First two advance --> QF --> SF --> F --> Kvitova.

Patrick345
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:59 AM
Tomorrow will be hers careers last match on THIS y.e.c. anyway :shrug:

Nah, don´t worry, she´ll get the 2nd wildcard. :lol::p

sammy01
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:23 AM
seriously this is the wta all over, it is a tournament that rewards mediocrity. don't be the best, heck don't even win a title just be pretty and we will try and give you extra ranking points.

could you imagine the men ever doing such a thing lol. well done for being midranked throughout the year and winning a title in the middle of nowhere, have 70 bonus ranking points for merely existing :help:

the really sad thing is ivanovic taking part and taking this seriously, just shows how far she has fallen and where her true tennis level is.

metamorpha
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:40 AM
Well, I don't think someone like Ana taking this 100% seriously... she's not that desperate. Even though it's a small tournament for her caliber, she must've found something to enjoy in this tournament (money, relaxation, attention etc) so she comes back. After all, she doesn't win anything this year. Participating here won't hurt.

But she's still the best among the bunch of journeywomen there even with her slumping form. It's just 3 matches, don't tell me you can't win it all? :facepalm:

Mana
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:53 AM
I like the idea of the tournament, but not a fan of the format at all. Or the venue it's held at. Or the idea of handing out WC's.

However I don't think this thread would have been created if Lisicki was in the final today.

Cajka
Nov 6th, 2011, 02:02 AM
Btw. A player can win YEC by winning 3 matches and losing 2.

The Kaz
Nov 6th, 2011, 02:32 AM
Btw. A player can win YEC by winning 3 matches and losing 2.

Yes.

Zvonareva could of done it this year... she made the SF with a 1-2 record and if she won the SF and F she would of won with a 3-2 W/L record.

The Kaz
Nov 6th, 2011, 02:36 AM
Well, I don't think someone like Ana taking this 100% seriously... she's not that desperate. Even though it's a small tournament for her caliber, she must've found something to enjoy in this tournament (money, relaxation, attention etc) so she comes back. After all, she doesn't win anything this year. Participating here won't hurt.

But she's still the best among the bunch of journeywomen there even with her slumping form. It's just 3 matches, don't tell me you can't win it all? :facepalm:

With 1 Premier SF, and 2 Premier QF and no International finals at all... I would hardly say Ana is a player of high calibre anymore :unsure:

I think she would take whatever she could get at this stage :help:

HRHoliviasmith
Nov 6th, 2011, 02:48 AM
It's such a pointless tournament. I get the idea, but what's the point in doing a proper YEC and then the scrub version? Especially since the scrub version is after the proper YEC.
They may as well just go back to the old 16 player YEC single knockout format instead of splitting them up. :shrug:

:yeah:

metamorpha
Nov 6th, 2011, 02:59 AM
I think she would take whatever she could get at this stage :help:

I'm not yet thinking about that. She's struggling but not that desperate.

She just wanted to end the year nicely... :oh: Or maybe since she didn't win anything so far they asked her to come back as defending 'champion', though I doubt she felt obliged to do that.

It's up to her decision to come back here again and again, but it's odd to see her participating more than once in this kind of mini YEC though... First, she's slumping indeed but she's not known as MM/Tier 2 players before, she's still a former slam champion, and she won this already last year, she should took it immediately to the next level, back to where she belongs.

If Sabine can win this, I also expect her to take it to the next level and qualify to the real YEC. Because she's a promising top player, not another MM queen prospect who can only qualify here regularly.

metamorpha
Nov 6th, 2011, 03:02 AM
Li Na lost to Kimiko in QF last year :lol: but she did much better than Ana the 'champion' this year :tape: only to experience similar slump in epic proportion after winning a slam :help: With her current level, she won't even win a single match in this mini YEC. :facepalm:

eck
Nov 6th, 2011, 03:03 AM
No, you should be abolished from here from saying so much crap lately, your hating on Ana is so disgusting, get a life

Bali is great :)

So it's OK for you to hate other players then?

atennisfanid
Nov 6th, 2011, 03:27 AM
Sofia in winter :rolls:

the tournament should be scrapped.

BUT WTA should organize some kind of tournament in bali, it's great!

ExtremespeedX
Nov 6th, 2011, 03:39 AM
Bali is actually quite a nice idea, I wish ATP did something similar.

pla
Nov 6th, 2011, 09:00 AM
Sofia in winter :rolls:



What's so funny about Sofia in winter? Sofia is the only capital with skiing facilities accessible by public transportation in Europe. It has an amazing historical background, wonderful traditions and it's a vibrant place. Yeah it's much more beautiful in hotter seasons but your reaction screams lack of knowledge, to say it politely. And mind you, I am not from Sofia.

Tomorrow will be hers careers last match on THIS y.e.c. anyway :shrug:

I am quite sure she will get a WC, if she doesn't win a tournament or has a major resurrection of some kind. Ana is loved in Bulgaria and I think Romania and Greece. The organizers said they will promote the tournament in the neighbouring countries and will work with Istanbul for mutual promotion, so I guess they will try to bring Serbian fans to Sofia :), what better than giving a WC to Ana? ;)

Raiden
Nov 6th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Should the Tournament of Champions fiasco be abolished?No way! Keep it...

... keep it until Ana stops winning it, THEN after that abolish it

it-girl
Nov 6th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Whatever:rolleyes:
You want to ask a question but insult a player with your answer selection. Is it really about the tournament or Ana winning it? Not to mention the fact that it is idiotic to do away with a tournament the fans clearly enjoy. For all of those complaining about it you have the option to watch it or not.

Sombrerero loco
Nov 6th, 2011, 09:03 PM
this tournament sucks so much :o

AnomyBC
Nov 6th, 2011, 09:39 PM
I believe we should keep it for as long as Ana keeps winning it, but after that it should be abolished. What's the point of having a tournament for winners of international tournaments that's usually won by wild cards who haven't won any international tournaments? And on a related note, I think we should get rid of the whole concept of "international" tournaments and go back to the tier system.

AnomyBC
Nov 6th, 2011, 09:48 PM
Whatever:rolleyes:
You want to ask a question but insult a player with your answer selection. Is it really about the tournament or Ana winning it? Not to mention the fact that it is idiotic to do away with a tournament the fans clearly enjoy. For all of those complaining about it you have the option to watch it or not.

No, the OP phrased it correctly. The fact that Ana keeps winning it is basically the only argument for keeping it :shrug:

And sure there are fans who enjoy it, but you can say that about any tournament. I mean, by that logic no tournament would ever be eliminated. The bottom line with this tournament is that it was built on a stupid concept, it has always consistently sucked, and it's a very anti-climactic way of ending the WTA season.

Talula
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:11 PM
No, you should be abolished from here from saying so much crap lately, your hating on Ana is so disgusting, get a life

Bali is great :)

I agree. The OP is obsessed.

Talula
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:14 PM
I think this is a dumb thread and poll.

Just because you don't like the players/winner and you all want to scrap a tournament! Tennis fans indeed!

There were some great players and the winner is one of the few true stars and box office draws on the Tour!

Madoka
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:16 PM
not abolished, but its format should be changed.

mauresmofan
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:20 PM
I like the tournament but I do feel you should have to be a tournament winner in order to be invited and I'm not up to date on this years contestants but I do know last years contestants were not all champions. No problem with the defending Champion being brought back at all but a round robin format would be better of if not then a 16 player draw but finding 16 champions outside the top 8 might prove quite difficult (not this year though).

Curtos07
Nov 7th, 2011, 08:15 AM
Uh, no. It's the greatest tournament on tour and the last two years have been excellent. Should be considered the 5th slam.

(I'm partly joking, before you rip me into shreds).

Mistress of Evil
Nov 7th, 2011, 08:46 AM
It barely does get any coverage, if at all :hug: Moreover, the whole idea of MM YEC, where journeywomen bitchfight to establish who is the best nobody, is just sad :awww:

thegreendestiny
Nov 7th, 2011, 08:51 AM
No way. That is the only way Ana can justify her existence. :oh:

stromatolite
Nov 7th, 2011, 10:34 AM
As I understand it, the reason for having this tournament is to make the end of the year interesting for a broader fan base, so it's not just the fans of the top 8 who have something to cheer for. It's a nice idea, but it's not really working very well in practice. This year was particularly bad, but it wouldn't have been nearly as bad if they had used a RR rather than knockout format. This will weed out the inevitable out-of-form players and ensure a reasonably competitive SF and final stage. In addition, the procedure for assigning wildcards needs to be more transparent. Ana deserves congratulations for winning the event, but she shouldn't have been assigned a WC in the first place. Of course she was the biggest drawcard at the event, but with some serious ranking points up for grabs this is simply unfair to those players who qualified by right AND who were ranked higher than Ana. Better to abolish WCs altogether except in exceptional cases. This will make qualifying for the event more competitive, like qualifying for the YEC now is, generating more interest among fans and giving potential participants a clear goal to aim for in the closing stages of the year. As it is, the WCs are a fudge because the organizers don't have the courage of their convictions to believe the tournament will work without them. But if you really need WCs to make it work, it's a bad idea in the first place.

NB: I am going to be seriously pissed if someone tries to brand me a hater because I want to abolish wildcards, so don't go there!

Corswandt
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:00 PM
Posted elsewhere by Internet personality Leelee:

I have a bad feeling that there will be more tournaments like Bali in the future, as SEWTA slowly crawls to its demise. It's what TV wants as they don't want to pay for early round matches. It's what SEWTA wants because they can basically fix draws as they please. Most tournament sites probably wouldn't mind either with the meager early week ticket sales.

I also fear that more such invitational exho/tour event hybrids may be held in the future. Bali basically allows the WTA to throw a bucketload of cheap points to whoever the WTA sees fit.

The Dawntreader
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:08 PM
I also fear that more such invitational exho/tour event hybrids may be held in the future. Bali basically allows the WTA to throw a bucketload of cheap points to whoever the WTA sees fit.

That's the real crux of the issue IMO- the abundance of points available for such a crappy sideshow of a tournament. For all the hyperbole of the 'Tour of Champions', it is so poorly marketed, barely any scraps of television coverage, and attracts the most obscure and inappropriate players. Medina Garrigues being hailed as 'champion' these days, is some fine shit indeed.

And it's likely to just become a refuge for Ivanovic to keep winning year after year, unless someone of any note turns up, which is unlikely such is the ridiculous scheduling.

sammy01
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:17 PM
That's the real crux of the issue IMO- the abundance of points available for such a crappy sideshow of a tournament. For all the hyperbole of the 'Tour of Champions', it is so poorly marketed, barely any scraps of television coverage, and attracts the most obscure and inappropriate players. Medina Garrigues being hailed as 'champion' these days, is some fine shit indeed.

And it's likely to just become a refuge for Ivanovic to keep winning year after year, unless someone of any note turns up, which is unlikely such is the ridiculous scheduling.

do eurosport even cover it? i don't think they do which shows you how much of a nothing this tournament is as they cover every premier and some internationals that have history (brum, linz).

listening to the coverage of the YEC, eurosport try and promote it as the big finish to the year, they don't then wanna say oh yeah but there is some tournament with scrubs in next week to.

currie84
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:17 PM
And it's likely to just become a refuge for Ivanovic to keep winning year after year, unless someone of any note turns up, which is unlikely such is the ridiculous scheduling.

Pavluychenkova,Bartoli,Hantuchova(twice)Na li,Wickmayer,Lisicki,Kleybanova turned up..Is that not enough competition for you?..Someone would think Ana had to play against challenger level players judging by this thread.:help:

sammy01
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Pavluychenkova,Bartoli,Hantuchova(twice)Na li,Wickmayer,Lisicki,Kleybanova turned up..Is that not enough competition for you?..Someone would think Ana had to play against challenger level players judging by this thread.:help:

how many permier titles have those players got between them? like 7, which is what this tournament is more geared towards interms of ranking points and money, and 2 of those 7 prems li na won after she played :tape:

The Dawntreader
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Pavluychenkova,Bartoli,Hantuchova(twice)Na li,Wickmayer,Lisicki,Kleybanova turned up..Is that not enough competition for you?..Someone would think Ana had to play against challenger level players judging by this thread.:help:

Such an illustrious list clearly.

currie84
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:26 PM
Such an illustrious list clearly.

which players outside of those who play in YEC should take part then?Make a list,I'm curious

The Dawntreader
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:26 PM
do eurosport even cover it? i don't think they do which shows you how much of a nothing this tournament is as they cover every premier and some internationals that have history (brum, linz).

listening to the coverage of the YEC, eurosport try and promote it as the big finish to the year, they don't then wanna say oh yeah but there is some tournament with scrubs in next week to.

The coverage is basically non-existent in the UK. I don't even think Eurosport cover it at all in the rest of of Europe either.

I remember the Grand Slam cup was a similar event, but A) It didn't throw cheap points about and B) It actually catered to Slam winners and slam performers. The concept for Bali is as tenuous as it gets.

The Dawntreader
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:27 PM
which players outside of those who play in YEC should take part then?Make a list,I'm curious

I don't think anyone should be playing this. That has been my point from the start:p

Excelscior
Nov 7th, 2011, 02:50 PM
No!

Because, as it's been stated, "how would VIP ever get another title again?" And she doesn't have to play 5-7 matches either. Sounds good to her, I'm sure.

longtin23
Nov 7th, 2011, 02:54 PM
It;s quite meaningless again to see people getting injured and those players played like shit except Ana 'I can only win Bali' Ivanovic

stromatolite
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:10 PM
The last thing I want to do is jump on the generation-sucks-bashing-bandwagon here, but the sad thing about this tournament is that it perfectly illustrates the lack of depth in the women's game. This is made worse because it's the very last event on the calendar, which is doubly unfortunate because it comes as a terrible anticlimax after the YEC and is played at a time when the players are absolutely sick of playing, nursing injuries, etc. I can imagine that the organisers will decide to consign the whole thing to the junkheap, but if they do decide to continue it, a better idea would be to schedule it between Christmas and New Year. For the players this would provide a nice extra warm-up for the Australian summer season, they would have time to have a rest and get over any injuries, and people would be less likely to compare it unfavourably with the YEC. And after a couple of months of tennis deprivation, even the most critical fans might actually be quite glad to watch it ;)

Mynarco
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:15 PM
Probably. I can't see the point of having this tournament AFTER YEC, at all. Even Eurosport doesn't care.

the jamierbelyea
Nov 7th, 2011, 07:47 PM
I just loved the tournaments locale. It was like the old days when Pattaya was played opposite the Chase. It gives an instant vacation for these lower ranked players!

Marlene
Nov 7th, 2011, 08:17 PM
The last thing I want to do is jump on the generation-sucks-bashing-bandwagon here, but the sad thing about this tournament is that it perfectly illustrates the lack of depth in the women's game. This is made worse because it's the very last event on the calendar, which is doubly unfortunate because it comes as a terrible anticlimax after the YEC and is played at a time when the players are absolutely sick of playing, nursing injuries, etc. I can imagine that the organisers will decide to consign the whole thing to the junkheap, but if they do decide to continue it, a better idea would be to schedule it between Christmas and New Year. For the players this would provide a nice extra warm-up for the Australian summer season, they would have time to have a rest and get over any injuries, and people would be less likely to compare it unfavourably with the YEC. And after a couple of months of tennis deprivation, even the most critical fans might actually be quite glad to watch it ;)

Absolutely agree; it's in the wrong place and it's at the wrong time. I don't think they should push Bali back to the end of December, though, for a couple of reasons:

First, it's supposed to be an end-of-season event, and to all intents and purposes the YEC ends the season. Anything at the end of December is going to seem like a pre-start to the new season. Second, I doubt Bali is prestigious/lucrative enough for the sub-top players to really want to give it all right before the AO warm-ups. Third, after a two-month break most players seem to have forgotten which end of the racquet to use - if it's supposed to be a prestigiousish tournament, you can't have players treating it halfway house-like, like they do the AO warm-ups. And fourth, I think the players value their Christmas break too much to want to play for real at the end of December; it's just about the only sacred time in the tennis calendar.

That said, I do think a schedule change is in order, and for starters I think the WTA should switch Bali and Istanbul (iSTANBUL?). Bali is a "2nd best" YEC-like event, and it should logically precede the real deal, the YEC, sorta like how first you play the semis, then the final!? And yes, the could also do a few things to glam it up and add some carrots to make the players care more.

stromatolite
Nov 8th, 2011, 06:14 AM
Absolutely agree; it's in the wrong place and it's at the wrong time. I don't think they should push Bali back to the end of December, though, for a couple of reasons:

First, it's supposed to be an end-of-season event, and to all intents and purposes the YEC ends the season. Anything at the end of December is going to seem like a pre-start to the new season. Second, I doubt Bali is prestigious/lucrative enough for the sub-top players to really want to give it all right before the AO warm-ups. Third, after a two-month break most players seem to have forgotten which end of the racquet to use - if it's supposed to be a prestigiousish tournament, you can't have players treating it halfway house-like, like they do the AO warm-ups. And fourth, I think the players value their Christmas break too much to want to play for real at the end of December; it's just about the only sacred time in the tennis calendar.

That said, I do think a schedule change is in order, and for starters I think the WTA should switch Bali and Istanbul (iSTANBUL?). Bali is a "2nd best" YEC-like event, and it should logically precede the real deal, the YEC, sorta like how first you play the semis, then the final!? And yes, the could also do a few things to glam it up and add some carrots to make the players care more.

Fair points, but I'm not entirely convinced. I think the whole thing would lend itself nicely to being marketed as a pre-season event. These are the players who, although they weren't in the absolute elite group, showed some promise by winning one or more smaller tournaments, so some of these players might break through at a higher level in the new season. They could accentuate this by reserving any wildcards awarded to promising newcomers. As for the players being motivated enough and in good enough form to play entertaining tennis, I don't think this could be any worse than it is in the current schedule. As I said, the players are absolutely sick of playing by the time this tournament comes around, most are way below peak form and half of them are carrying injuries. They may not give it their absolute best if it's played after Christmas, but they don't do that now (nor to be honest do most of the women at the YEC). This leaves the sacred Christmas break. This could be a stumbling block, but I'm not that convinced that it would be as big a sacrifice as you suggest. Players are already training pretty seriously in this period, I know of a few who even train on Christmas day, and they might welcome a couple of actual matches at the end of the year rather than hours in the gym / on the training court. And if they stuck to the knockout format (RR would be better, but would probably take too long) they would only need 3 days. As long as it was held in SE Asia or Oceania that could be 29-31 December.

But this is just what I think, and you're right that it won't fly if the players don't want it. In that case I think your suggestion to switch Bali and the YEC is a good one.

OsloErik
Nov 8th, 2011, 09:48 AM
I like it, but it shouldn't be after the YEC, and it shouldn't have...dubious qualifications?

Remember the Grand Slam Cup, where the entry was based off of the number of points earned at slams?

They should do a similar thing, the (X) number of players with the most points earned from the International Series events get to enter, regardless of whether or not they make the YEC.

The wildcard thing is just a little too dubious. Clearly, Ivanovic was both the most accomplished player of the tournament and obviously deserved to win (not dropping a set, what what?) but it just REEKS of "pretty face gets a chance", which shouldn't be the case. Hell, if it's a 16 player tournament, she might well have made it fair and square and we wouldn't have this discussion right now.

Fantasy Hero
Nov 8th, 2011, 10:45 AM
IMO a two weeks long YEC with best 16 players, 4 round robin with QF out of them would be much better :shrug:

pla
Nov 17th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Ladies and gentlement, I guess the majority of people who wanted a change in this tournament are gonna find this as an improvement and good news.

In one article in a big Bulgarian tennis news site (Tenniskafe.com's article (http://tenniskafe.com/%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D 0%B8-%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81/%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D 0%B8-%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81-%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B8/9108-%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D 0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%B2-%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D1%81-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82,-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0-%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D 1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-WTA)) the representatives of the Bulgarian Tennis Federation say that the format of the tournament will change from next year. The 8 players will be separated in two groups, actually the same format as the YEChampionship :)

Ivan.
Nov 17th, 2011, 08:41 PM
They will bring back round robin format :cheer:

The Witch-king
Nov 17th, 2011, 09:00 PM
I like it, but it shouldn't be after the YEC, and it shouldn't have...dubious qualifications?

Remember the Grand Slam Cup, where the entry was based off of the number of points earned at slams?

They should do a similar thing, the (X) number of players with the most points earned from the International Series events get to enter, regardless of whether or not they make the YEC.

The wildcard thing is just a little too dubious. Clearly, Ivanovic was both the most accomplished player of the tournament and obviously deserved to win (not dropping a set, what what?) but it just REEKS of "pretty face gets a chance", which shouldn't be the case. Hell, if it's a 16 player tournament, she might well have made it fair and square and we wouldn't have this discussion right now.
3 matches:tape:

Ladies and gentlement, I guess the majority of people who wanted a change in this tournament are gonna find this as an improvement and good news.

In one article in a big Bulgarian tennis news site (Tenniskafe.com's article (http://tenniskafe.com/%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D 0%B8-%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81/%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D 0%B8-%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81-%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B8/9108-%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D 0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%B2-%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D1%81-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82,-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0-%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D 1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-WTA)) the representatives of the Bulgarian Tennis Federation say that the format of the tournament will change from next year. The 8 players will be separated in two groups, actually the same format as the YEChampionship :)
thank gawd///:sobbing: