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Irute
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:33 PM
The heated discussions about "Who is the "true" #1?", "What's wrong with the ranking system?", or "Who is the better player?" got me thinking about the number 1. Do we have a player that can sustain #1 position for extended period of time?

When I look at current top 10 I have to say that without Caroline I can't see anyone. Maybe Maria could swing it, but this is it. With that thought I will vote for Caro.

I am neither her fan or detractor. I also don't claim any special skills that let me predict the future, but I am curious what everyone else is thinking. Is there someone who you think can lead the pack for significant period of time? Significant meaning longer than others. Vote and share your thoughts.

Valanga
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:36 PM
If Caroline has a bad start she is gonna lose her #1 to Kvitova or Sharapova or Azarenka, but she has plenty of time to catch up after Miami.

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:47 PM
Caro, unless she gets injured and plays worse than the past 2 years.

Matt01
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:52 PM
I think Kvitova...

backhandsmash
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:54 PM
This thread will be AWESOME!

Irute
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:01 PM
This thread will be AWESOME!

I actually see an opportunity to express an opinion as objectively as possible. Nobody will say that longer is better... wait isn't it?

JoPova
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:30 PM
If Petra gains a significant advantage at the beginning of the season (AO), I think she'll be able to hold the #1 ranking the longest. But really this depends on how much Serena will play in 2012. We'll see! Can't wait for the next season!

Melange
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:33 PM
are we talking about real no.1 here? :oh:

the fake ranking no.1 will prob be Woz, i cant see Petra grinding out the premier titles and whoring points. she might be better off peaking at certain times.

Melange
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:36 PM
A 3 way battle royale between Queen Woz, Healthy Coke and Grandma for the premier titles would be the best way to create some interest. Meanwhile, Clijster and Petra compete for the main events.

gulzhan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:37 PM
Totally unclear right now. Any of the top 10 can become No.1 after AO. So, the answer is-- no idea! :lol:

I voted for Woz cause the chance of other girls blowing it is still bigger :shrug:

Fighterpova
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:38 PM
Caro will hold it in the beginning, then Vika for a short amount of time around Miami, then Petra from June-Late September/early October and then Serena will capture it in the very end :cheer:

Mistress of Evil
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:39 PM
Queen Petra !!!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lst4uggEYX1r0t5gco1_500.gif

Irute
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:48 PM
If Petra gains a significant advantage at the beginning of the season (AO), I think she'll be able to hold the #1 ranking the longest. But really this depends on how much Serena will play in 2012. We'll see! Can't wait for the next season!

This is a good point, Petra could gain big advantage in a short spurt to hold her off when she's not so hot. She is close enough to the top.

Sombrerero loco
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:12 PM
baby woz =)

bobito
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:13 PM
Caro has 4050 points to defend before Madrid, Petra only 1336.

Irute
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:19 PM
Caro has 4050 points to defend before Madrid, Petra only 1336.

I don't think you need to talk about defending points. If you don't have them you have to get them for #1 one way or the other.

bobito
Nov 2nd, 2011, 09:05 PM
I don't think you need to talk about defending points. If you don't have them you have to get them for #1 one way or the other.

Let me put it another way, between now and Madrid Caro needs to score 2600 more usable ranking points than Petra in order to stay number one.

Matt01
Nov 2nd, 2011, 09:15 PM
are we talking about real no.1 here? :oh:

the fake ranking no.1 will prob be Woz, i cant see Petra grinding out the premier titles and whoring points. she might be better off peaking at certain times.


"Fake no.1" :rolleyes:
With her points from her Slam and YEC wins, Kvitova only would have to be semi-consistant at the other big events to get the #1 ranking, but if she keeps losing to scrubs on American HC, this will probably be too much to ask :oh:


A 3 way battle royale between Queen Woz, Healthy Coke and Grandma for the premier titles would be the best way to create some interest. Meanwhile, Clijster and Petra compete for the main events.


"main events" :rolleyes:

Irute
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:10 PM
Let me put it another way, between now and Madrid Caro needs to score 2600 more usable ranking points than Petra in order to stay number one.

Yes I do see your point

justineheninfan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:39 PM
No way in hell it will be Wozniacki. She will fall out of the top 5 before the clay court season is through, and probably not return there. I guess Kvitova but it could be any of Kvitova, Sharapova, Azarenka, or Serena (depending how much she plays).

AcesHigh
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:57 PM
No way in hell it will be Wozniacki. She will fall out of the top 5 before the clay court season is through, and probably not return there. I guess Kvitova but it could be any of Kvitova, Sharapova, Azarenka, or Serena (depending how much she plays).

Lmao. Are you guaranteeing this prediction?

I can see her losing #1 but top 5???

Sombrerero loco
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:00 PM
No way in hell it will be Wozniacki. She will fall out of the top 5 before the clay court season is through, and probably not return there. I guess Kvitova but it could be any of Kvitova, Sharapova, Azarenka, or Serena (depending how much she plays).

LMFAO :haha:

ananke
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:31 PM
No way in hell it will be Wozniacki. She will fall out of the top 5 before the clay court season is through, and probably not return there. I guess Kvitova but it could be any of Kvitova, Sharapova, Azarenka, or Serena (depending how much she plays).


:facepalm:

I think some people will be disappointed in Kvitova. She is a Champion, but she is not consistent and there is little to suggest that it will change. Unless she wins AO, I can't see her holding #1 for long.

justineheninfan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:36 PM
If we only took the year from June to now, how many points would Wozniacki have compared to others. It is pretty clear the direction she is going, and that others are improving while she isnt one iota.

ananke
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:44 PM
If we only took the year from June to now, how many points would Wozniacki have compared to others. It is pretty clear the direction she is going, and that others are improving while she isnt one iota.
Well, who knows, maybe she will dump Rory...

AcesHigh
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:46 PM
If we only took the year from June to now, how many points would Wozniacki have compared to others. It is pretty clear the direction she is going, and that others are improving while she isnt one iota.

Thing is.. we've heard this before. I believe it was 2010 after Wimbledon and the famed fall of Wozniacki cometh or something like that.

Patrick345
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:50 PM
If we only took the year from June to now, how many points would Wozniacki have compared to others. It is pretty clear the direction she is going, and that others are improving while she isnt one iota.

2432 points including Wimbledon.

SheŽd still be top 20 for the year.

I guessed sheŽll fall to #5, but that is really a worst case scenario.

I just donŽt see her falling any further. Heck I wouldnŽt be surprised to see her end with #1 again without a Slam as long as she keeps her priorities on defending the #1 ranking rather than winning Slams.

justineheninfan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:51 PM
I dont recall anyone call anyone sane saying that after Wimbledon 2010. Everyone knows Wozniacki was never a big threat on clay on grass so getting crushed by an on fire Schiavone on clay and Kvitova on grass are not poor results for her. Now is totally different in that her results on hard courts are even poor. As I said how would her points collected since May or June compare to the others. I havent calculated but I wouldnt be surprised if those werent even in the top 5 and they indicate how she is stacking up vs the rest more recently, and it isnt getting any better from here.

dsanders06
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:55 PM
I don't know if I see Wozniacki falling out of the top 5 as early as RG, but I do think she'll keep drifting lower and lower on the rankings all year and end up about #7-ish by the end of 2012.

justineheninfan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:57 PM
Yeah something like that. I was just thinking most of her points she is defending were in the first half of 2010 anyway though, which is why I said by the FO. She isnt defending that much after that, and will probably tournament whore weak fields to keep most of those points (although even that wont be as easy for her anymore as everyone in the top 100 can beat her on a decent day now), but the first half of the year she will be dropping a ton.

Matt01
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:04 AM
:facepalm:

Patrick345
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:05 AM
I dont recall anyone call anyone sane saying that after Wimbledon 2010. Everyone knows Wozniacki was never a big threat on clay on grass so getting crushed by an on fire Schiavone on clay and Kvitova on grass are not poor results for her. Now is totally different in that her results on hard courts are even poor. As I said how would her points collected since May or June compare to the others. I havent calculated but I wouldnt be surprised if those werent even in the top 5 and they indicate how she is stacking up vs the rest more recently, and it isnt getting any better from here.

IŽm such a nice guy...so I take a guess at players, who have collected more since Wimbledon...

All quick adds in my head from WTA page...

Kvitova 4485
Stosur 3662
Radwanska 3516
Azarenka 3161
Serena 3120
Sharapova 3070
Zvonareva 3030
Wozniacki 2432
Bartoli 2201
Petkovic 2180

Think that covers all players and sheŽd stil be 8th largely thanks to the USO and the losing at the YEC.

People underestimate how consistently shit you have to be to fall in the rankings. Jankovic had like 2-3 good tournaments all year and it kept her in the top 15.

dsanders06
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:11 AM
IŽm such a nice guy...so I take a guess at players, who have collected more since Wimbledon...

All quick adds in my head from WTA page...

Kvitova 4485
Stosur 3662
Radwanska 3516
Azarenka 3161
Serena 3120
Sharapova 3070
Zvonareva 3030
Wozniacki 2432
Bartoli 2201
Petkovic 2180

Think that covers all players and sheŽd stil be 8th largely thanks to the USO and the losing at the YEC.

People underestimate how consistently shit you have to be to fall in the rankings. Jankovic had like 2-3 good tournaments all year and it kept her in the top 15.

That list just backs up JHF's argument... there's no reason why her form from the 2nd half of this year won't be her norm, hence that type of form would take her to a ~#8 finish next year. In the second half of 2012, she'll probably win a few more matches at non-Slams than she did this year, but I highly doubt she'll make the semis at the US Open again, so I expect she could even lose points even during that period.

KBlade
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:15 AM
Wozniacki may drop some points early in the season, but she has a lot of points to gain at Wimbledon, Roland Garros, Madrid, Rome, and the Asian swing in particular. I think she will probably fluctuate in the rankings a bit next year, because no-one has ever been this close to her before in a while, but I think she will make it a close battle.

Patrick345
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:24 AM
That list just backs up JHF's argument... there's no reason why her form from the 2nd half of this year won't be her norm, hence that type of form would take her to a ~#8 finish next year. In the second half of 2012, she'll probably win a few more matches at non-Slams than she did this year, but I highly doubt she'll make the semis at the US Open again, so I expect she could even lose points even during that period.

This is based on real awful form though. 407 points from Bastad, Beijing, Tokyo, Toronto, Cincinnati. She is still too consistent for that. Not even the greatest optimist (hater) can expect her to repeat this. 5500-6000 points is realistic, if she keeps the focus on a smart (no Slam-centric) schedule.

dsanders06
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:29 AM
This is based on real awful form though. 407 points from Bastad, Beijing, Tokyo, Toronto, Cincinnati. She is still too consistent for that. Not even the greatest optimist (hater) can expect her to repeat this. 5500-6000 points is realistic, if she keeps the focus on a smart (no Slam-centric) schedule.

Why though? :lol: Her form in the 2nd half of 2011 is pretty much her standard form, outside of that one 8-month stretch of success between August 2010 and March 2011 ... she was an inconsistent mess for the first half of 2010 too. And in Montreal/Toronto for instance, she's never won a single match apart from the time she won it in 2010.

Like I said, I expect she'll win a few more non-Slam matches in that period, but I doubt it'll be enough to make up the shortfall from points lost from what I believe will be an earlier exit at the US Open.

ananke
Nov 3rd, 2011, 12:56 AM
Like I said, I expect she'll win a few more non-Slam matches in that period, but I doubt it'll be enough to make up the shortfall from points lost from what I believe will be an earlier exit at the US Open.
I'm glad your crystal ball is working fine for you.

Matt01
Nov 3rd, 2011, 01:39 AM
I'm glad your crystal ball is working fine for you.


Dsander06's crystal ball is actually extremely accurate...but only in that strange parallel universe he lives in. His predictions have nothing to do with the world we (=sane people) live in. He's already failed so often, he will fail again. Count on it. :D

MB.
Nov 3rd, 2011, 01:40 AM
Caroline will end the year #1 once again.

Petra might overtake her for a big, but nothing that 50% of Team Wozzillroy can't come back against. Win a Slam and push the haters away, Caro :lol:

dsanders06
Nov 3rd, 2011, 02:00 AM
Dsander06's crystal ball is actually extremely accurate...but only in that strange parallel universe he lives in. His predictions have nothing to do with the world we (=sane people) live in. He's already failed so often, he will fail again. Count on it. :D

Yeah, remember that time I predicted Kvitova would win the YEC, and you and every other Woztard scoffed? How did that one work out again? :scratch:

justineheninfan
Nov 3rd, 2011, 02:11 AM
This is based on real awful form though. 407 points from Bastad, Beijing, Tokyo, Toronto, Cincinnati. She is still too consistent for that. Not even the greatest optimist (hater) can expect her to repeat this. 5500-6000 points is realistic, if she keeps the focus on a smart (no Slam-centric) schedule.

She isnt playing awful though. Her game has simply maxed out and players have found ways to beat her. Her game isnt that imposing, so it is easy for her to have an early exit anywhere. Her results the 2nd half of this year are her new norm IMO. The occasional puny title, the occasional decent run in a bigger event, being dominated by other top players, and a good share of numbers to much lower ranked ones.

Thank you very much for compiling my points. They just back up my argument nicely. Why is predicting her to fall out of the top 5 funny when if her results of the last 6 months continue that is where she will be, even if the WTA stays as crappy as it is now. What is really funny is that she tied on the poll with most votes to spend most weeks of 2012 at #1, ROTFL that people actually believe that right now.

MrSerenaWilliams
Nov 3rd, 2011, 02:44 AM
If Petra gains a significant advantage at the beginning of the season (AO), I think she'll be able to hold the #1 ranking the longest. But really this depends on how much Serena will play in 2012. We'll see! Can't wait for the next season!

This.

SilverPersian
Nov 3rd, 2011, 03:42 AM
Caro has 4050 points to defend before Madrid, Petra only 1336.

Wow, it's going to be really difficult for Caro.

Although we'll have to wait and see how Petra bears the mantle of the propspective number one. Her head seems screwed on pretty well so I think she'll be fine.

Knizzle
Nov 3rd, 2011, 04:00 AM
A 3 way battle royale between Queen Woz, Healthy Coke and Grandma for the premier titles would be the best way to create some interest. Meanwhile, Clijster and Petra compete for the main events. Hingis and Davenport are retired...leave them out of this :rolleyes:

justineheninfan
Nov 3rd, 2011, 04:13 AM
Wozniacki may drop some points early in the season, but she has a lot of points to gain at Wimbledon, Roland Garros, Madrid, Rome, and the Asian swing in particular. I think she will probably fluctuate in the rankings a bit next year, because no-one has ever been this close to her before in a while, but I think she will make it a close battle.

Why would one ever assume her to do better at Wimbledon. 4th round is her likely result there at best. She is not a good grass courter period. While it is possible she could do better on clay, it is far from certain. She isnt really a good clay courter either. She is far more likely to drop her clay court finals and title than gain much at the clay events she lost early.

Kairi
Nov 3rd, 2011, 04:28 AM
Hingis and Davenport are retired...leave the out of this :rolleyes:

:haha:
but seriously, the sooner Woz loses the #1 Ranking, the better for her..she may try to act otherwise, but the pressure of being #1 and slamless has got to her...a la Safina....

Irute
Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:42 AM
I would be hard pressed to predict that someone's career will head same way it is heading at any give point of time. Any direction for a career is temporary, so I would not count on Caro continuing going backwards. It may happen but it is unlikely.

Juju Nostalgique
Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:55 AM
Obviously, not Pushniacki! :woohoo: :oh: :woohoo:

Matt01
Nov 3rd, 2011, 04:56 PM
Yeah, remember that time I predicted Kvitova would win the YEC, and you and every other Woztard scoffed? How did that one work out again? :scratch:


:scratch:

Irute
Nov 3rd, 2011, 10:50 PM
Obviously, not Pushniacki! :woohoo: :oh: :woohoo:

Just because you don't like her or there are other reasons? :p

Marlene
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:08 AM
A 3 way battle royale between Queen Woz, Healthy Coke and Grandma for the premier titles would be the best way to create some interest. Meanwhile, Clijster and Petra compete for the main events.

Who's Healthy Coke!?

Mana
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:21 AM
I think Caro has an pretty decent chance.

People underestimate how important consistancy is. I don't think Petra will reach #1 to be honest, at least not until after RG.

I could see Sharapova taking it from Caro, if anyone was to.

Melange
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:41 AM
^^ Miss Snack Bar Azarenka

Steven.
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:50 AM
I think Caro has an pretty decent chance.

People underestimate how important consistancy is. I don't think Petra will reach #1 to be honest, at least not until after RG.

I could see Sharapova taking it from Caro, if anyone was to.

No thank you. I'd prefer if Maria stayed vacant from the top 2 spot if she doesn't hold a slam.

I hope someone (Maria or at least someone talented that I don't dislike) holds or wins 2 slams next year and takes the no. 1 spot from Caro, even if temporarily like Clijsters did.