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Philbo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:05 PM
Chris Evert (1974 - 1986), Martina Navratilova (1978 - 1990) and Steffi Graf (1987 - 1999) all share a similar amazing amount of time between their first slam and last slam wins.

I thought Serena would win the US Open this year to join those great players in the same bracket (1999 - 2011) of there being 12 years between first and last slam victories..

But she actually has a great chance at breaking that record and joining Margaret Court who I think has 13 years between first and last slam.

Will she do it? I think yes..

L'Enfant Sauvage
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:19 PM
Graf 87-99* just pointing out a little typo... And probably, yes. I could see her winning slams for another ~three years honestly.

mauresmofan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:43 PM
Yeah of course she can and probably in Australia.

Gdsimmons
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:45 PM
I think so. I think its more of a when then there is an if. *knockonwood*

Mynarco
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:45 PM
She still has a couple of years in tank. Definitely possible

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:46 PM
She can. :cheer:

Philbo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:47 PM
It will be an amazing accomplishment if/when she does break it.

bandabou
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:53 PM
I think so...she's a strong contender/favorite at least 3 of the majors. If she can remain healthy next year, should win one Oz or Wimby.

Mynarco
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:55 PM
I think so...she's a strong contender/favorite at least 3 of the majors. If she can remain healthy next year, should win one Oz or Wimby.

Venus looks like she's gonna retire next year(If things still don't work well till Wimbledon). But will Serena follow her big sis and retire at the same time?

ptkten
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:03 PM
Venus looks like she's gonna retire next year(If things still don't work well till Wimbledon). But will Serena follow her big sis and retire at the same time?

I used to think so but I'm pretty sure Serena said recently she wouldn't retire even if Venus did. Regardless, now that Venus has her health issues diagnosed I don't think she will retire next year either unless she has no progress in her results or health.

Steven.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:11 PM
Venus looks like she's gonna retire next year(If things still don't work well till Wimbledon). But will Serena follow her big sis and retire at the same time?

No, I'm sure Serena said she won't be retiring in 2012.

Gdsimmons
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:40 PM
Venus looks like she's gonna retire next year(If things still don't work well till Wimbledon). But will Serena follow her big sis and retire at the same time?

I dont think so. I think after the year from hell, a lot of stuff got put into perspective for her. I mean she broke down after 1R of Wimbledon. I think her appreciation for just playing tennis is at an all time high right now and I really think that she is going to keep playing for at least 3 more years (as long as no serious injuries interfere)

bandabou
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:37 PM
Yep, Serena got a new perspective on tennis. I expect her to play after 2012 and to still be a factor.

justineheninfan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:43 PM
I fully expect Serena to win atleast 1 more slam, probably multiple. I think it might be hard for her to win the French or Wimbledon again though since the physical part of her game (especialy movement) seems to be what is declining most. Of course she could serve and hit her way to another Wimbledon title but it wont be easy to beat another big hitter like Kvitova if she isnt moving quickly enough. I think the 2 hard court slams will remain good chances for her for awhile, with still some chance at Wimbledon. Cant see her ever winning another French even with what a joke that event has become. I hope she proves me wrong since I think she deserves to be rated the 2nd best clay courter of this generation, and if she won another French nobody could even challenge the claim.

darrinbaker00
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:56 PM
***DEVIL'S ADVOCATE POST***

If Evert, Navratilova, Graf and Court only played 8-12 tournaments a year, they all probably would have had a longer span of time between their first and last majors, and if Serena had played a full-time schedule, she at least would be tied with Evert and Navratilova (18) by now.

Talula
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:16 PM
Yes she can. I'm hoping she's getting ready for a major assault in 2012 so that we are in for a sizzling year, what with the rise of Petra and all!

AcesHigh
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:49 PM
Venus looks like she's gonna retire next year(If things still don't work well till Wimbledon). But will Serena follow her big sis and retire at the same time?

1. Venus is giving no indication of retiring.

2. Venus will probably stick around until Serena retires, not vice versa.

On this subject.. with the current competition, Serena could probably keep winning slams for a while now.

Graf, Martina, and Evert all retired around the time a new guard was already in place or taking over. That circumstance is not happening now.

justineheninfan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:53 PM
The new guard might not have convincingly taken over yet but it will probably happen soon. Not with Wozniacki of course, but Kvitova, Azarenka, and to a lesser degree Radwanska are all showing signs of progress. I could see them taking over at the top of the womens game in the next year or two.

Serendy Willick
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:00 PM
The new guard might not have convincingly taken over yet but it will probably happen soon. Not with Wozniacki of course, but Kvitova, Azarenka, and to a lesser degree Radwanska are all showing signs of progress. I could see them taking over at the top of the womens game in the next year or two.

Im sorry but if this is supposed to be the new guard, than i feel good about serena winning more slams,including the french.

spencercarlos
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:04 PM
I fully expect Serena to win atleast 1 more slam, probably multiple. I think it might be hard for her to win the French or Wimbledon again though since the physical part of her game (especialy movement) seems to be what is declining most. Of course she could serve and hit her way to another Wimbledon title but it wont be easy to beat another big hitter like Kvitova if she isnt moving quickly enough. I think the 2 hard court slams will remain good chances for her for awhile, with still some chance at Wimbledon. Cant see her ever winning another French even with what a joke that event has become. I hope she proves me wrong since I think she deserves to be rated the 2nd best clay courter of this generation, and if she won another French nobody could even challenge the claim.
If Serena comes out serving like she did in Wimbledon 2010 a title is reachable. That surface suits her game.

Wimbledon9
Nov 5th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Of course she can she takes so much rest between tournaments

ExtremespeedX
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Longevity? She barely played after 2003. Until she wins 80+ titles, putting her into same sentence with Graf and Martina is laughable even if she plays until 50.

bandabou
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:18 AM
Longevity? She barely played after 2003. Until she wins 80+ titles, putting her into same sentence with Graf and Martina is laughable even if she plays until 50.

:rolls: Says the person who puts Petra in the same category as Serena, after one semi-decent season?! :facepalm:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 6th, 2011, 01:34 AM
:rolls: Says the person who puts Petra in the same category as Serena, after one semi-decent season?! :facepalm:

Lol, no. I never said that. I don't put her into same category as Clijsters or even Sharapova right now, when considering the achievements.

But let's look at the facts.

Serena was only super awesome in 2002/early 2003. Since then injuries have hampered her career. She won more slams, BUT - she didn't dominate the tour the way she did in 2002. Simple enough?

If Serena had kept her 2002 for years, then we could start making comparisons with the likes of Evert/Graf/Navratilova. A 13 slam champion with 39 titles means she only showed up for slams. Comparing her overall longevity to players who won 100+ titles is unfair.

Sam L
Nov 6th, 2011, 06:46 AM
If Serena had kept her 2002 for years, then we could start making comparisons with the likes of Evert/Graf/Navratilova. A 13 slam champion with 39 titles means she only showed up for slams. Comparing her overall longevity to players who won 100+ titles is unfair.

Well Roger Federer lags behind Connors, Lendl and McEnroe in ATP tour titles won. So you could also say that he only showed up for the slams.

Of course, Serena is behind in slams and overall titles but these are different times evidenced even by Federer.

Anyway, it'll be more interesting if she can break Wills's 15 year longevity record because I'm fairly certain she is going to break this one.

bandabou
Nov 6th, 2011, 07:41 AM
Lol, no. I never said that. I don't put her into same category as Clijsters or even Sharapova right now, when considering the achievements.

But let's look at the facts.

Serena was only super awesome in 2002/early 2003. Since then injuries have hampered her career. She won more slams, BUT - she didn't dominate the tour the way she did in 2002. Simple enough?

If Serena had kept her 2002 for years, then we could start making comparisons with the likes of Evert/Graf/Navratilova. A 13 slam champion with 39 titles means she only showed up for slams. Comparing her overall longevity to players who won 100+ titles is unfair.

Or she could've been Davenport...lots of titles, only couple of majors.. The choice is easy.