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tennisbear7
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:17 PM
Generation Suck hype is getting ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Especially Petra and Vika, who although very good players in their own right, are nowhere the blend of offensive and defensive capabilities that marked the Big Four. And some people arguing that Petra's peak is better than Serena. :help:

Philbo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:21 PM
Venus will be a relative non entity next year. Also looking forward to KIm and Serena bouncing back. Kvitova at her top form will trouble both of them though.

tennisbear7
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:29 PM
Every few years there is a player who takes tennis to a new level. Someone who is utterly brilliant at what they do. If we look at the late 1980s/early 1990s, we had Nav/Evert, to Graf, to Seles, to Hingis, to the Williams Sisters, to Henin - and then chuck in lesser but still amazing players like ASV, Davenport, Clijsters, Mauresmo. All these players have added something to the game - they've either made it more physical, emphasised the importance of something that previous players could have improved on (e.g. Serena's serve), or a combination, resulting in truly amazing tennis.

None of Generation Suck look even remotely of doing to tennis what these players did. The prospect of improving on GOAT-Rena is scary I know, but tennis has been played out like that. When Sampras left, Federer emerged. There are similar examples. Now we're left with the current crop who aren't really elevating, or taking tennis to new heights.

Johnbert
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:33 PM
Also looking forward to KIm and Serena bouncing back. Kvitova at her top form will trouble both of them though.

except on hardcourt-outdoor surface...

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:36 PM
I think Vee will get snatched by others instead, like by Pironkova again?:oh:

Talula
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:37 PM
I can't wait either. Hopefully next year there will be a full and fit field. But I just have a feeling that 2012 will mark a change in eras.

Break My Rapture
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:40 PM
Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.

MB.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:08 PM
The fact that you think Venus can "snatch" anyone's wig :spit: Don't hold your breath.

Just Do It
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:13 PM
Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.

This. They became irrelevant, there is no such thing as the big three anymore. I expect them all to fail in 2012 and retire soon.

danieln1
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:13 PM
Fiona is irrelevant right now and it will remain like this in 2012, leading her to her definitive retirement. Petra already trashed her in Paris, and even Azarenka trashed her

If Venus could remain symptoms-free from her syndrome she could win some titles here and there

Serena losing to Stosur in a slam final NOT a good sign for 2012, but I think she'll continue to dominate her pidgeons

I also agree with the posters who says are sick of this big three( I dont even consider Kimberly "big") it's time for the new generation to step up in 2012

Vee Williams
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:20 PM
Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.

If we consider all of vika's retirements, she almost comes off as a part-timer herself.

Mistress of Evil
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:20 PM
Hopefully, it will be a nice farewell year with seeing all the grannies putting desperate wannabes in their place before the DOOM arrives! :crying2:

dsanders06
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:59 PM
Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.

I was getting tired of them making the sport look a joke by just waltzing into a Slam and winning with little preparation, but now that we've maybe got some Generation Suck-ers to challenge them, hopefully that'll make them raise their games/effort levels. Basically, personally I don't actually want to see them retire yet, but I want to see them actually have to sweat to win major events if they're going to win them.

And LOL at people saying Serena and Kim don't have chances. Serena easily made the Final at the last Slam she played, and Kim is 23-1 at hardcourt Slams since her comeback; of course they're major contenders at the AO. However, it's pretty safe to completely write off Venus at this point.

Break My Rapture
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:03 PM
If we consider all of vika's retirements, she almost comes off as a part-timer herself.
:spit:

Stamp Paid
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:06 PM
Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.Is it because they easily swat away your fave when they do choose to play? :lol:

Break My Rapture
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:12 PM
Is it because they easily swat away your fave when they do choose to play? :lol:
Nope. I don't have anything against WS or Kimothy, I'm just getting sick of all news/hype these players create before/during/even after every big tournament, then you don't hear a thing about them and months later the same thing comes around.....This is why I find it tiring, because it's always the same shit everytime a big tournament approaches (while their era is over as well).

Coconut91
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:34 PM
I also agree with the posters who says are sick of this big three( I dont even consider Kimberly "big") it's time for the new generation to step up in 2012

Yes. I'm definitely not excited about Serena winning her 346974514629 slam. The "big three" hardly care these days and there's not much left for them to give anyway. If they are only going to try at Slams and the Olympics to glorify themselves, then I wish it is the youngsters who snatch their wigs in 2012.

I mean, it's Kvitova, Azarenka, Radwanska, etc. the players that we're going to see in the future, so I'd rather they start their domination next year already.

danieln1
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:16 PM
Yes. I'm definitely not excited about Serena winning her 346974514629 slam. The "big three" hardly care these days and there's not much left for them to give anyway. If they are only going to try at Slams and the Olympics to glorify themselves, then I wish it is the youngsters who snatch their wigs in 2012.

I mean, it's Kvitova, Azarenka, Radwanska, etc. the players that we're going to see in the future, so I'd rather they start their domination next year already.

Yeah, I hope those young players will be able raise their games and mental state to finally beat them, I think we´re pretty close to that.

pav
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:42 PM
Could be a case of ...
Three hasbeens desperately grabbing for hair
but will find in their hands only air.

Sammo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:43 PM
They'll probably get their wigs snatched

Matt01
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:46 PM
I can see Serena next year snatching a wig or two, but the others...don't get your hopes up too high.

C. Drone
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:46 PM
Can't wait for Big Three...

offseason gonna be looooooooooooooooong...

bobito
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:49 PM
Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.

Agreed.

Viktymise
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:53 PM
They'll probably get their wigs snatched

Already have.

DragonFlame
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:01 PM
Kvitova actually could be the one that sends a message and beat these girls on the big stage. We all know we´re in a transition phase for a few years now, our greats are getting older and their peakform will come less and less in 1 year.

What i think is the dealbreaker is that Kvitova has one advantage over all the other girls her age. She has succeeded, she´s won a slam, a YEC, and is close to being no.1. If she comes up against a clijsters or williams at the late stage of a slam it´s something she can totally focus on cause she´s already won a few of these big titles. Azarenka and Caro on the other hand are still looking for their first big title AND facing these great players at the same time. Something like this goes in your head.

It´s all mental, and i think this will ease petra´s mind unlike her peers. She´s not facing any expectations and can just live the moment.
It´s gonna be an interesting year!

ViceUltramontain
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:17 PM
People writing Kim off :lol:

Last time she played fully fit, she won a slam playing some terrible tennis cause she (with Serena) is way more talented than the young generation. There's no reason for her or Serena be worried. If they're fit and playing at like 70% of their potential, they'll be more than threats everywhere.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:23 PM
If we consider all of vika's retirements, she almost comes off as a part-timer herself.
OMG :hysteric:

Pump-it-UP
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:28 PM
DEAD @ people in here legitimately believing that these 3 are done and washed-up. :crying2: Don't get your hopes up.

dsanders06
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:31 PM
DEAD @ people in here legitimately believing that these 3 are done and washed-up. :crying2: Don't get your hopes up.

Serena and Kim yes, but do you really think Venus ISN'T done? :lol:

StephenUK
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:43 PM
I don't think there is any way that these three players will rise back to the top 3 and claim 3 GS out of 4 and the Olympics (Roland Garros, we presumably all accept is beyond them now). What is much more likely is a generation clash, whereby the likes of Serena and Kvitova say share slams this next year, and someone else wins Roland Garros (Stosur?) a bit like the era when Navratilova, Graf, Evert, Mandlikova, Sanchez faced off around 1987-8. Of course, we can have no idea of how the younger players will do this year. Will Kvitova continue to improve? Will a new Kvitova emerge from outside the top 30 and win a slam? Who knows?

Serena is in by far the strongest position as she has a top 15 ranking with no points to defend until the summer. She also has tournament wins and a grand slam final on her record so must be most confident of recent results. Plus she has had the most recovery time and is probably most ready to make a significant impact on slams from the start of the year. Of the three, she is the contender at most events - Roland Garros aside, she is always to be viewed as the major contender for the other three slams and also the Olympics as it is on grass.

Kim is similarly ranked to Serena so at least will be top 15 seeded at the AO. But Kim is in a much weaker situation than Serena as she has not played for so long and may not even be back for Australia. All her points are concentrated in the first few months of the year so she will face a terrible ranking plunge unless she hits the ground running from day 1 and will need to be on her best form to work her way back up. Also Kim is probably only a serious contender to win the Australian and US Opens, her second career has been virtually clay free and she has never looked like a Wimbledon winner, so she is unlikely to win the Olympics and could well fail to qualify, if her ranking slumps. One also wonders about her motivation at this stage in her career - will she come back again if her ranking drops out of the top 100?

Venus is in the weakest position at the start of 2012. She has dropped out of the top 100 and in danger of failing to get direct entry into the AO, though it looks like she will. She will probably have to beat two seeds just to get into the second week. I would have thought reaching the quarter-final would be a triumph for her but would not expect much more for her. Venus has only shone in recent years at Wimbledon, but one wonders how far her virus will allow her to do well there in future, given her tired fourth round losses to Pironkova the last two years. I would have thought the first half of the year will be all about seeing how much she can play with this virus, how long she can last in tournaments without being exhausted, especially as she is hitting 32. Presumably she is looking for a last push to see if she can have some impact at Wimbledon and the Wimbledon-based Olympics, before she heads off for retirement.

LCS
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:44 PM
:yawn: Kvitova has already snatched Kim's wig this year. In straight nontheless so settle down please.

I doubt Venus has what it takes to stop Kvitova right now :shrug:

vozas
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:48 PM
Venus? :lol::lol::lol: :help: :facepalm:

The only thing relevant happening to her career this year is getting scalped by Pironkova.

Maidenhair
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:49 PM
Vinas in top three? She's as fragile as hell.

ViceUltramontain
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:50 PM
Kim is similarly ranked to Serena so at least will be top 15 seeded at the AO. But Kim is in a much weaker situation than Serena as she has not played for so long and may not even be back for Australia. All her points are concentrated in the first few months of the year so she will face a terrible ranking plunge unless she hits the ground running from day 1 and will need to be on her best form to work her way back up. Also Kim is probably only a serious contender to win the Australian and US Opens, her second career has been virtually clay free and she has never looked like a Wimbledon winner, so she is unlikely to win the Olympics and could well fail to qualify, if her ranking slumps. One also wonders about her motivation at this stage in her career - will she come back again if her ranking drops out of the top 100?

She's already training again.

:yawn: Kvitova has already snatched Kim's wig this year. In straight nontheless so settle down please.

Indoor (I doubt that Kim will still play more than one indoor event in her career) and injured ;)

But Kvitova did won 5 games during their last 2 encounters outdoor :wavey:

winone23
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:20 PM
Can't wait until Venus comes back to prove you tricks wrong. Every time Dsanders posts in a Venus thread Mariah Carey's "obsessed with me" pops into my mind.

This verse fits Dsnaders to a T
You on your job, you hatin' hard
Ain't gon' feed you, I'm a let you starve
Gaspin' for air, I'm ventilation
You out of breath, hope you ain't waitin'
Tellin' the world how much you miss me

sammy01
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:21 PM
kim's year was basically a write off after the oz open, but when she was fit and playing prior to that she beat radwanska, vika x2, kvitova and caro in the space of 6 months. you can argue kvitova has improved (which is true) though kvitova has showed no signs of improvement on outdoor hardcourts, if anything caro has gone backwards, radwanska is just not a threat and vika's game looks as average as ever to me.

though i'm sure i will get someone tell me that radwanska's tokyo and beijing titles beating the vera's and petkovic's of tennis means she has moved on, or vika making the YEC final beating walking bye li, her bitch stosur, losing to marion and letting vera implode in another big match shows she has moved on to lol

winone23
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:23 PM
Venus? :lol::lol::lol: :help: :facepalm:

The only thing relevant happening to her career this year is getting scalped by Pironkova.

:lol::lol::lol::nerner: I bet you thought Sharapova was going to win Wimbledon.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:57 PM
If we consider all of vika's retirements, she almost comes off as a part-timer herself.

bam :rolls:

edificio
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:18 PM
Actually, I'm curious to see where is Kim's game.

That said, I would love to see ALL top players playing next year.

Excelscior
Nov 2nd, 2011, 09:10 PM
To the OP's Title Only (didn't read through thread yet):

Serena-Probably
Kim-Maybe
Venus-No!

Siderophyre
Nov 2nd, 2011, 09:17 PM
To the OP's Title Only (didn't read through thread yet):

Serena-Probably
Kim-Maybe
Venus-No!

THIS.

Serena is the only one who's a lock to do some damage next year.

Kim? Who knows?

Venus has had a great career, but she's not likely to snatch many more wigs...

MrWaagh
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:51 AM
I LOVE it when people write Venus off. It will make her AO win next year all the more enjoyable.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:54 AM
THIS.

Serena is the only one who's a lock to do some damage next year.

Kim? Who knows?

Venus has had a great career, but she's not likely to snatch many more wigs...

Indeed.

The only wig Venus is snatching is the one off her dresser, before she steps out the house for the latest photo shoot.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:57 AM
She's already training again.


But Kvitova did won 5 games during their last 2 encounters outdoor :wavey:

Kvitova was also injured in all of her losses, just like Kim :wavey:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 01:19 AM
Indeed.

The only wig Venus is snatching is the one off her dresser, before she steps out the house for the latest photo shoot.

Even with sjogren's syndrome Venus is going to beat quality players. Maybe Venus will snatch your raggedy wig off and use it as a bootleg swiffer duster to dust her trophies off.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 01:39 AM
Even with sjogren's syndrome Venus is going to beat quality players. Maybe Venus will snatch your raggedy wig off and use is as a bootleg swiffer duster to dust her trophies off.

You know it's funny, but I would of said that before the Sjogren's Syndrone diagnosis. So what I said had nothing to do with that.

Maybe I didn't make that clear in my initial response. So I wasn't being inconsiderate in the least.

But I do hope she copes well with it, and comes bag strong and Snatch Up some wigs indeed.

We'll see?

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 01:55 AM
I miss those 3 so much. Although I never liked KIm, I miss her too.

Nicolás89
Nov 4th, 2011, 01:57 AM
Some people just never move on.

Helen Lawson
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:01 AM
Neely stole my wig. There are Helens and Neelys on the tour. Kim, Venus, and Serena are the Helens. Kvitova, Azarenka, etc., and that's a broad "etc." are the Neelys. The Neelys have already stolen some wigs from the Helens. But Helen's tougher than Neely, one wig snatch doesn't end her career. Helen still got Neely kicked out of her show after all.

Mary Cherry.
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:29 AM
Venus's own hair will have all gone grey and fallen out by the time she snatches anyone else's wig.

Serenus Christ
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:48 AM
Can't wait for Venus to snatch some wigs.

HRHoliviasmith
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:56 AM
:rolls: :rolls: @ Venus being considered one of the big 3. So funny to me. What color is the sky in your world? :rolls:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:59 AM
Venus's own hair will have all gone grey and fallen out by the time she snatches anyone else's wig.

It wasn't that long ago that Venus snatched up Azarenka's wig. If Venus gets fit and healthy she'll snatch Azarenka's wig again like Serena did at this year's USO.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:59 AM
doesn't anyone remember the last time people tried to write off Serena Williams? :lol:

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ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:04 AM
doesn't anyone remember the last time people tried to write off Serena Williams? :lol:

JZfwFwuTiEo

The difference, this time, is that she's very old and out of form. Don't expect 2007 AO miracles where she was twice the player she is now, even when horrendously out of shape :shrug:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:04 AM
:rolls: :rolls: @ Venus being considered one of the top 3. So funny to me. What color is the sky in your world? :rolls:

The sky is blue, in case you forgot Venus was top 2 before her injuries took out the game.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:06 AM
The difference, this time, is that she's very old and out of form. Don't expect 2007 AO miracles where she was twice the player she is now, even when horrendously out of shape :shrug:

Were u living under a rock this summer? Serena's comeback was amazing. She'll do better next year.

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:08 AM
Venus in possibly the most injury-plagued season of her career still beat the likes of Petkovic and Ivanovic and made the 4th round of Wimbledon.

And wasn't too long ago that Vee was top 3 in the world.

:lol: at all the doubters.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:10 AM
Were u living under a rock this summer? Serena's comeback was amazing.

She was good, I'll give you that, but not great. 2007 Serena would not lose to Stosur in a slam final, simple as that. And in her semi final she was serving badly, playing badly and choking. She got kinda lucky to play against such a poor player, else she'd be hard pressed to even make the final :shrug:

BikezAreForever!
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:11 AM
I LOVE it when people write Venus off. It will make her AO win next year all the more enjoyable.

Serena>>>>Kim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pironkova>>>Venus

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:15 AM
Serena>>>>Kim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pironkova>>>Venus

Venus is still a much better player than Kim :wavey:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:15 AM
She was good, I'll give you that, but not great. 2007 Serena would not lose to Stosur in a slam final, simple as that. And in her semi final she was serving badly, playing badly and choking. She got kinda lucky to play against such a poor player, else she'd be hard pressed to even make the final :shrug:

Look Serena is human, humans need rest. Serena went to bed at 4 am in the morning, while Sam was in REM for several hours. Serena was clearly at a disadvantage. In my opinion Sam got lucky.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:18 AM
Serena>>>>Kim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pironkova>>>Venus

:lol::lol::lol: I'm in a comedy club :smoke::drink:

Brad[le]y.
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:19 AM
Venus is still a much better player than Kim :wavey:

and by quite a margin :lol:

Kim doesn't have a great game outside hard courts

Mary Cherry.
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:21 AM
:lol::lol::lol: I'm in a comedy club :smoke::drink:

http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg

tennisbear7
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:36 AM
Can't wait until they (especially Venus) snatch all your doubting wigs next year. :haha:

And I can't wait to bump this thread.

dsanders06
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:44 AM
Venus in possibly the most injury-plagued season of her career still beat the likes of Petkovic and Ivanovic and made the 4th round of Wimbledon.

And wasn't too long ago that Vee was top 3 in the world.

:lol: at all the doubters.

You're right, beating Petkovic and Ivanovic on grass is a sure sign that Venus will win a Slam next season, although she'll have to get in the queue behind Petra Cetkovska and Ksenia Pervak :lol:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:46 AM
http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg

Saying Venus snatched Azarenka's wig was not a joke.

Mary Cherry.
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Saying Venus snatched Azarenka's wig was not a joke.

The amount of delusion in this thread, however, is pretty funny.

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:50 AM
You're right, beating Petkovic and Ivanovic on grass is a sure sign that Venus will win a Slam next season, although she'll have to get in the queue behind Petra Cetkovska and Ksenia Pervak :lol:

No one said Venus is winning a slam....

Brad[le]y.
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:53 AM
You're right, beating Petkovic and Ivanovic on grass is a sure sign that Venus will win a Slam next season, although she'll have to get in the queue behind Petra Cetkovska and Ksenia Pervak :lol:

erm, no one said anything about Venus winning a slam :tape:

Mary Cherry.
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:57 AM
Um...

I LOVE it when people write Venus off. It will make her AO win next year all the more enjoyable.

Steven.
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:59 AM
All of this disrespect to Venus. :rolleyes: She might not be a contender anymore, but she'll still be more relevant than all of your faves put together.

dsanders06
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:04 AM
No one said Venus is winning a slam....

Well, I took "snatching wigs" to mean atleast beating someone semi-relevant. Ivanovic and Petkovic on grass, just to make the Quarters of a Tier 2, are not big scalps :lol:

Brad[le]y.
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:05 AM
Um...

I didn't see that post :spit:

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Well, I took "snatching wigs" to mean atleast beating someone semi-relevant. Ivanovic and Petkovic on grass, just to make the Quarters of a Tier 2, are not big scalps :lol:

Beating Ivanovic and Petkovic after playing two tournaments in the last 10 months is pretty impressive to me

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:12 AM
Beating Ivanovic and Petkovic after playing two tournaments in the last 10 months is pretty impressive to me

No, you're wrong it's obvious that Petra is a better grass court player than Venus ever was. :rolleyes: Gosh! Just look at Petra's h2h against those mugs... What were their names? Ivanovic and Petkovic? It's too easy to beat them, just ask Petra.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:25 AM
No, you're wrong it's obvious that Petra is a better grass court player than Venus ever was. :rolleyes: Gosh! Just look at Petra's h2h against those mugs... What were their names? Ivanovic and Petkovic? It's too easy to beat them, just ask Petra.

Petra is almost a generation back from Ivanovic and Petkovic. She's much younger, less experienced, so losses to them can be expected.

But feel free to bet some real life money on Ivanovic next time she meets Petra, especially on a fast surface. I am sure you'll be able to retire early...

Steven.
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:49 AM
Petra is almost a generation back from Ivanovic and Petkovic. She's much younger, less experienced, so losses to them can be expected.

But feel free to bet some real life money on Ivanovic next time she meets Petra, especially on a fast surface. I am sure you'll be able to retire early...

Actually, both Petkovic and Kvitova turned pro in 2006. Both played in their first slam in 2007. Both broke through recently - cracked the top 30, 20 and 10 mark this year. Age isn't the only indication of experience or generation, but rather a mixture of things you have to consider.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:57 AM
Well, I took "snatching wigs" to mean atleast beating someone semi-relevant. Ivanovic and Petkovic on grass, just to make the Quarters of a Tier 2, are not big scalps :lol:

Petkovic is a top ten player and had her best year to date, how is she not relevant? Venus barely played this year after batting a serious injury and sjogren's syndrome, as a result she didn't get a chance to beat "relevant" players. And let's cut to the chase although Venus missed most of the season she is still more relevant than 99% of the tour.

thegreendestiny
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:06 AM
Delusional OP. Kim and Serena? Maybe.
Venus? Oh no. Can't wait for her "indefinite leave". :oh:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:11 AM
The amount of delusion in this thread, however, is pretty funny.

Tell me one thing I said in this thread that was delusional.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:12 AM
Actually, both Petkovic and Kvitova turned pro in 2006. Both played in their first slam in 2007. Both broke through recently - cracked the top 30, 20 and 10 mark this year. Age isn't the only indication of experience or generation, but rather a mixture of things you have to consider.

Age is huge, Petra is 21, Petko is 24. Sure, they both broke through in the same year, but Petra has advantage of having an earlier break through year. While I would agree that age isn't the only indication of experience, I would argue that it gives you a big advantage in terms of time being on your side to win more slams and titles. In 4 years, Petkovic will be 28, while Petra will be 25. That's HUGE difference in tennis.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:17 AM
Petko had earlier wins, cause she was older. That's true.

Then Petra caught up/was catching up. And was poised to take over.

Keep in mind Petkovic got dusted by Petra earlier this year, when they were both on their game in Brisbane. The shift was taking place permanently (like Petra has done with so many opponets lately who had equal or winning records against her).

Petkovic only won the last two matches (that her stans love to bring up, so much lately), during Petra's post Wimby hangover period, and Andrea knew it/admitted that.

If people want to hang on to that. Be happy. I'm sure Petra's not thinking about it. But I'm sure Petko is/will be, the next time they play. She know a beat down is coming!

VeeJJ
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:24 AM
Nope. I don't have anything against WS or Kimothy, I'm just getting sick of all news/hype these players create before/during/even after every big tournament, then you don't hear a thing about them and months later the same thing comes around.....This is why I find it tiring, because it's always the same shit everytime a big tournament approaches (while their era is over as well).

Been saying it for a while. So true.

You would think bitches have learned not to write a WS off. If Venus is healthy she is a force. She isn't like her sister. She wants to play fairly regularly if she can. She isn't gonna ho through all this rehab and training to play 3 events a year. I really wanna see her and Kvitova play. Venus is gonna totally toy with her. She loves hard and fast balls and her return is gonna fuck Petra's serve up so bad.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:31 AM
Been saying it for a while. So true.

You would think bitches have learned not to write a WS off. If Venus is healthy she is a force. She isn't like her sister. She wants to play fairly regularly if she can. She isn't gonna ho through all this rehab and training to play 3 events a year. I really wanna see her and Kvitova play. Venus is gonna totally toy with her. She loves hard and fast balls and her return is gonna fuck Petra's serve up so bad.

Yeah. Until Petra drop shots her ass to death, till she stumbles on her face, like she's sliding into home plate. Whoa K. What ever you say.

The other stuff you said sounds like Fantasy as well.

You know Petra beat Venus 3 years ago, when she was 18, right?

You sure you wanna see this?

Sp!ffy
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:33 AM
How many Pironkova losses is it going to take before Venus fans realize it's over? :facepalm:

Steven.
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:34 AM
Age is huge, Petra is 21, Petko is 24. Sure, they both broke through in the same year, but Petra has advantage of having an earlier break through year. While I would agree that age isn't the only indication of experience, I would argue that it gives you a big advantage in terms of time being on your side to win more slams and titles. In 4 years, Petkovic will be 28, while Petra will be 25. That's HUGE difference in tennis.

From your previous post though, I was under the impression that you were talking about the 'difference' in their experience accumulated to date, and that Petkovic was more experienced hence Kvitova's bad H2H record with her? Because that claim would be wrong as they have similar experience. One could argue before this year that Kvitova had more experience even as she was able to beat the very top players (then no. 1 and former no. 1s) and had a slam SF, yet still lost to Petkovic.

Hang on, what? Why are we even discussing Petkovic vs. Kvitova in this thread? I don't even know what relevance Petkovic has as a measuring stick between Venus' and Petra's capabilities :lol: She's someone every top player should beat imo, but whatever floats everyone's boat.

VeeJJ
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:36 AM
Yeah. Until Petra drop shots her ass to death, till she stumbles on her face, like she's sliding into home plate. Whoa K. What ever you say.

The other stuff you said sounds like Fantasy as well.

You know Petra beat Venus 3 years ago, when she was 18?

What is your point? So this means that since Bammer owns Serena 2-0 that Serena just can't match up against her an beat her. Go find a seat.

How many Pironkova losses is it going to take before Venus fans realize it's over? :facepalm:

Spiffster. Maria lost to Arn this year, in straights.

Go hit puberty.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:38 AM
Smh

jrollaneres25
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:40 AM
Venus will be a relative non entity next year. Also looking forward to KIm and Serena bouncing back. Kvitova at her top form will trouble both of them though.

Bookmarked. :angel:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:42 AM
How many Pironkova losses is it going to take before Venus fans realize it's over? :facepalm:

2010 Pironkova beats Venus, Venus recovers and makes it to the USO semi's

2011 Pironkova beats Venus, now we wait to see what Venus does in 2012.....

I hope you like burnt crow because you will be eating some, when Venus is fit and healthy.

VeeJJ
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:43 AM
Step Bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

jrollaneres25
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:49 AM
Nope. I don't have anything against WS or Kimothy, I'm just getting sick of all news/hype these players create before/during/even after every big tournament, then you don't hear a thing about them and months later the same thing comes around.....This is why I find it tiring, because it's always the same shit everytime a big tournament approaches (while their era is over as well).

:spit: Sounds like hating to me:shrug:

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:50 AM
Petra is a nice girl. It's a shame, petrafans are usually nice, but there are two trolls who make the whole fanbase look pathetic.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:52 AM
Petra is a nice girl. It's a shame, petrafans are usually nice, but there are two trolls who make the whole fanbase look pathetic.

Just that some of us aren't willing to tolerate the BS that some haters throw Petra's way :shrug: Go check the YEC final thread if you want to see pathetic. Carotards spamming and trolling - you can't blame some people for growing over defensive :shrug:

Brad[le]y.
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:57 AM
Petra is a nice girl. It's a shame, petrafans are usually nice, but there are two trolls who make the whole fanbase look pathetic.

every player needs their own vikapower :awww:

jrollaneres25
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:59 AM
I don't understand, why do people still want to see them win Slams? Kim has 4, Serena has 13, Venus has 7. They have already immortalized themselves in record books and all have been on the tour for over a decade now. But the more they continue to hold back this new crop, the worst it is for the WTA at large and for the future.

It would be a totally different story if they actually committed themselves to the tour day in and day out but it's obvious the tour is not their priority anymore. Kim has a child, that's a given. Venus and Serena are both studying for degrees, buying a share in a football team, continuing to promote their fashion lines etc. Tennis seems to be a front they have to keep up because it's their only link to media relevance.

No... I am looking forward to seeing 'Generation Suck' break out next year. I will be cheering for them. I also hope someone from the 92-94 birth year group breaks into the Top 20.

Wait wait wait wait.....Wait a damn minute!:lol:

These 3 are holding the tour back because when they show up, they.....win???:bigcry:

jrollaneres25
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:03 AM
The difference, this time, is that she's very old and out of form. Don't expect 2007 AO miracles where she was twice the player she is now, even when horrendously out of shape :shrug:

:happy::facepalm:

People are so stupid these days! :o

So she was out for a FULL year and came back and made the US Open Final. Plus she went on a tear in the Summer Circuit and won the US Open Series. I remember creating that thread and having similar post like these. You people will never learn. You prove it time and time again.

2012 will yet be another year where The Williamses and maybe Kimme make asses out you who easily dismiss these tennis Goddess:worship:

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:08 AM
Just that some of us aren't willing to tolerate the BS that some haters throw Petra's way :shrug: Go check the YEC final thread if you want to see pathetic. Carotards spamming and trolling - you can't blame some people for growing over defensive :shrug:

I wasn't mentioning you and this is not the thread about Caro and her fans at all. A player must have some amazing result to deserve to be compared to Venus. Showing such a huge disrespect to a legend of sport makes me wanna puke. Yes, your fave won W and YEC! Look at Vee's career achievements. My ATP fave is Djokovic (I'm a Serbian nationalist, remember?), but I would never ever compare 4 slams to 16 slams, dear God!

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:17 AM
I wasn't mentioning you and this is not about the thread about Caro and her fans at all. A player must have some amazing result to deserve to be compared to Venus. Showing such a huge disrespect for a legend of sport makes me wanna puke. Yes, your fave won W and YEC! Look at Vee's career achievements.

I would certainly be ignoring anyone who's comparing Venus to Petra right now, unless it's done in jest. Until she wins 7 slams or more, then we can have this discussion. The potential is there, but as of right now Venus is obviously miles above in every achievement.

My ATP fave is Djokovic (I'm a Serbian nationalist, remember?), but I would never ever compare 4 slams to 16 slams, dear God!

I could easily guess that he was :shrug: and good on you for practicing what you preach, btw :)

Sp!ffy
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:49 AM
Spiffster. Maria lost to Arn this year, in straights.

Go hit puberty.

I've had more testosterone in my 12 y/o pre-pubescent self than you in your 20+ years of living. :rolleyes:

pav
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:50 AM
Hilarious isn't it :confused: The provocative bait is cast out, then the waiting, not usually long, for someone to question the success of one of the wig snatchers,then the righteous,deeply offended attack commences! Enjoy the fishing:)

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:51 AM
I would certainly be ignoring anyone who's comparing Venus to Petra right now, unless it's done in jest. Until she wins 7 slams or more, then we can have this discussion. The potential is there, but as of right now Venus is obviously miles above in every achievement.



I could easily guess that he was :shrug: and good on you for practicing what you preach, btw :)

Don't listen to her/him.

Some people on this site are knee jerk idiots/reactionist, sometimes.

No one was comparing the careers of Venus vs Petra. The argument was about VENUS now vs PETRA (or who ever), when she came back. That's what the whole thread was about, and a bunch of people criticized the OP and Venus chances; not just Petra fans.

So for people to get vocal, defensive and breathless about it, tells me they don't have a clue, they can't read, their overtly sensitive, or they just looking for trouble, because nobody ever compared their two careers in the first place. That's just a ridiculous and childish assumption/conclusion. Nobody ever said that (Petra had a better career or was greater than Venus) in the first place? Huh?

The initial post and responses were very clear. People were just having fun with it. Not a big deal? It certainly didn't warrant an emotional plea to honor Venus's greatness. Everybody just appeared to be innocently talking stuff. Oh well. Go figure!

I wouldn't even follow that comment/poster up to tell you the truth.

You been told.

rimon
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:04 AM
Every few years there is a player who takes tennis to a new level. Someone who is utterly brilliant at what they do. If we look at the late 1980s/early 1990s, we had Nav/Evert, to Graf, to Seles, to Hingis, to the Williams Sisters, to Henin - and then chuck in lesser but still amazing players like ASV, Davenport, Clijsters, Mauresmo. All these players have added something to the game - they've either made it more physical, emphasised the importance of something that previous players could have improved on (e.g. Serena's serve), or a combination, resulting in truly amazing tennis.

None of Generation Suck look even remotely of doing to tennis what these players did. The prospect of improving on GOAT-Rena is scary I know, but tennis has been played out like that. When Sampras left, Federer emerged. There are similar examples. Now we're left with the current crop who aren't really elevating, or taking tennis to new heights.

What about Capriati?

Coconut91
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:28 AM
I don't understand, why do people still want to see them win Slams? Kim has 4, Serena has 13, Venus has 7. They have already immortalized themselves in record books and all have been on the tour for over a decade now. But the more they continue to hold back this new crop, the worst it is for the WTA at large and for the future.

It would be a totally different story if they actually committed themselves to the tour day in and day out but it's obvious the tour is not their priority anymore.

COMPLETELY agree with this. ;)

vozas
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:15 AM
Can't wait for Pironkova to snatch Venus' dusty grass wig for the third year in a row.

http://meme.zenfs.com/u/19a5249baa18b793dc1cde92c4a5b85d152d2728.gifa

madmax
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:18 AM
can't wait for the ancient wigs to retire so that nostalgia tards stop reminding us of their once glorious ways:yawn:

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:19 AM
can't wait for the ancient wigs to retire so that nostalgia tards stop reminding us of their once glorious ways:yawn:

Does that include over-the-hill Sharapova? :p

Sp!ffy
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Does that include over-the-hill Sharapova? :p

Oh look, a crusty nostalgia tard trying to stir drama. I think you lost your way from the "Blast in the Past" subforum? :scratch:

I hope Kvitova rips out Serena's disgusting Diana Ross mess of a wig by the cuticles and makes her run to the 99 cent store to fetch a new one.

madmax
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:24 AM
Does that include over-the-hill Sharapova? :p

who said that she's over-the-hill? You?:haha:
She's 24 and all it takes is some good serving during a 2 week period and she will be snatching wigs of all kinds once again

Sp!ffy
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:25 AM
The only thing over the hill is AcesHigh's trolling skills. :haha:

vozas
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:26 AM
who said that she's over-the-hill? You?:haha:
She's 24 and all it takes is some good serving during a 2 week period and she will be snatching wigs of all kinds once again

This!

http://meme.zenfs.com/u/19a5249baa18b793dc1cde92c4a5b85d152d2728.gifa

Sp!ffy
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:26 AM
http://meme.zenfs.com/u/19a5249baa18b793dc1cde92c4a5b85d152d2728.gifa

ViceUltramontain
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:30 AM
Nostalgia :lol: Ancient wigs :lol:

I must have missed the part where the Big Three has been denied and beaten by players of generation suck in big tournaments.

Fact is that they had a terrible season, all three of them, due to health problems. Fact is that they still scored a slam win and a slam final despite being far from their best form. And fact is that 2 others slams were won by players from their generation too.

Don't expect them to lose to your new meaningless and helpless faves.

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:30 AM
who said that she's over-the-hill? You?:haha:
She's 24 and all it takes is some good serving during a 2 week period and she will be snatching wigs of all kinds once again

:haha::unsure:

justineheninfan
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:57 AM
What about Capriati?

Hardly an example of someone who took tennis to a new level, even to a minor degree. More of a story of personal triumph but in no way an advancement forward in the level of womens tennis even when she was winning 3 slams.

Ryan
Nov 4th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Nostalgia :lol: Ancient wigs :lol:

I must have missed the part where the Big Three has been denied and beaten by players of generation suck in big tournaments.

Fact is that they had a terrible season, all three of them, due to health problems. Fact is that they still scored a slam win and a slam final despite being far from their best form. And fact is that 2 others slams were won by players from their generation too.

Don't expect them to lose to your new meaningless and helpless faves.


What Slam did Venus win, or Slam final did she reach? :spit: It's a Big 2 now, Kim and Serena.

I want the young generation to win Slams, but thats only because I've seen Kim and Serena win for years now and want a change. :shrug:

rimon
Nov 4th, 2011, 11:36 AM
Nope. I don't have anything against WS or Kimothy, I'm just getting sick of all news/hype these players create before/during/even after every big tournament, then you don't hear a thing about them and months later the same thing comes around.....This is why I find it tiring, because it's always the same shit everytime a big tournament approaches (while their era is over as well).

If their era is over, then why did Serena thump Vika on her way to the USO final in her second slam back after a 1 year break?

madmax
Nov 4th, 2011, 11:39 AM
If their era is over, then why did Serena thump Vika on her way to the USO final in her second slam back after a 1 year break?

because Vika is a mental case and choked in the 2nd set tiebreak...young players need to grow some balls and stop bowing down te these dinosaurs for once - enough is enough me thinks

Galsen
Nov 4th, 2011, 11:50 AM
because Vika is a mental case and choked in the 2nd set tiebreak...young players need to grow some balls and stop bowing down te these dinosaurs for once - enough is enough me thinks

but My dinosaur did eat your stratosphere ass Barbie this summer didn't she? :baby:

rimon
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:15 PM
2010 Pironkova beats Venus, Venus recovers and makes it to the USO semi's

2011 Pironkova beats Venus, now we wait to see what Venus does in 2012.....

I hope you like burnt crow because you will be eating some, when Venus is fit and healthy.

Pironkova is just a bogey player for Venus. She is her nightmare match-up.

rimon
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:22 PM
Hardly an example of someone who took tennis to a new level, even to a minor degree. More of a story of personal triumph but in no way an advancement forward in the level of womens tennis even when she was winning 3 slams.

How do you include Mauresmo then, though?

rimon
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:24 PM
because Vika is a mental case and choked in the 2nd set tiebreak...young players need to grow some balls and stop bowing down te these dinosaurs for once - enough is enough me thinks

You ARE kidding, right? Serena absolutely thrashed her in the first set, and then became tentative in the second. Vika was pretty much irrelevant in that match. Serena also stormed past her without trying at the AO last year, after being down 4-6, 0-4.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:49 PM
because Vika is a mental case and choked in the 2nd set tiebreak...young players need to grow some balls and stop bowing down te these dinosaurs for once - enough is enough me thinks

how is it that the dinosaur now came back from extinction injury and made as many slam finals in 4 months as "in her prime" martha who just needs 2 good serving weeks to snatch wigs, when she was playing for a full year? :confused:


seems all players should aim to be a washed up dinosaur :bounce:

Galsen
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:08 PM
how is it that the dinosaur now came back from extinction injury and made as many slam finals in 4 months as "in her prime" martha who just needs 2 good serving weeks to snatch wigs, when she was playing for a full year? :confused:


seems all players should aim to be a washed up dinosaur :bounce:

:rolls: :haha: :haha:

dsanders06
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:26 PM
Does that include over-the-hill Sharapova? :p

:haha::unsure:

See, this is a good example of your delusion. Venus beating Petkovic to make the Eastbourne QFs is apparently a sign that she's going to have a great season, yet at the same time Sharapova is "over the hill" after a season where she made a slam final and won two Tier 1s? :happy:

Aramitz_II
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:45 PM
I was getting tired of them making the sport look a joke by just waltzing into a Slam and winning with little preparation, but now that we've maybe got some Generation Suck-ers to challenge them, hopefully that'll make them raise their games/effort levels. Basically, personally I don't actually want to see them retire yet, but I want to see them actually have to sweat to win major events if they're going to win them.

And LOL at people saying Serena and Kim don't have chances. Serena easily made the Final at the last Slam she played, and Kim is 23-1 at hardcourt Slams since her comeback; of course they're major contenders at the AO. However, it's pretty safe to completely write off Venus at this point.

I don't read anyone who claims that. The only thing i have heart is that they may not be as absolutely dominant as they use to be. And the fact that Serena loose a USA open finale says a lot.
Specially since she was without her famous fight to the end. It was mostly like she expected Sam to lay down.

Siderophyre
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:50 PM
Venus in possibly the most injury-plagued season of her career still beat the likes of Petkovic and Ivanovic and made the 4th round of Wimbledon.

And wasn't too long ago that Vee was top 3 in the world.

:lol: at all the doubters.

Please. I should hope Venus could beat those two with one hand tied behind her back and her shoe laces tied together. I thought we were talking about her chances of beating real opposition, which does not look that likely right now.

Corswandt
Nov 4th, 2011, 04:16 PM
It's tempting to wish for Reenus and Kimberley to do well in 2012 as that may buy us an additional year for

I) Princess Karolina to wear herself out by playing another 80+ match season and succumb to the pressure of being both #1 and Slamless rubbish laughingstock;
II) better players to emerge and challenge Generation Suck pushers, closing Princess Karolina's window of opportunity.

But I just don't think the Tour's credibility can survive any more big wins by part-timers.

The Witch-king
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Please. I should hope Venus could beat those two with one hand tied behind her back and her shoe laces tied together. I thought we were talking about her chances of beating real opposition, which does not look that likely right now.

Please, this is the same person that beat Sharapova and Kvitova 3 times this year dropping ZERO sets in the process. Unless you don't consider Pover n 'Tover "real opposition" either I don't understand why you'd want to stand by that statement.

XSTopspin
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Generation Suck hype is getting ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Especially Petra and Vika, who although very good players in their own right, are nowhere the blend of offensive and defensive capabilities that marked the Big Four. And some people arguing that Petra's peak is better than Serena. :help:

I love the Big 3, but I'm ready to see some new blood start kicking tail...namely Lisicki and Petkovic.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Can't wait for Pironkova to snatch Venus' dusty grass wig for the third year in a row.

http://meme.zenfs.com/u/19a5249baa18b793dc1cde92c4a5b85d152d2728.gifa

As a Sharapova fan you really shouldn't be worrying about Venus, you should be worrying about Kvitova snatching Maria's wig. Anyway when is the last time Maria won Wimbledon? Venus snatched her wig off and sent her crying off the court twice. Get back to me when Maria when another Wimbledon.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:13 PM
See, this is a good example of your delusion. Venus beating Petkovic to make the Eastbourne QFs is apparently a sign that she's going to have a great season, yet at the same time Sharapova is "over the hill" after a season where she made a slam final and won two Tier 1s? :happy:

Are you slow??? Venus came back from a serious injury and was battling an auto immune disease that was attacking everything from lungs her to her joints, therefore Venus didn't get a chance to prove what she is capable of. Venus is rehabbing and working on controlling her condition, she'll be back to prove pathetic haters like you wrong.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Please, this is the same person that beat Sharapova and Kvitova 3 times this year dropping ZERO sets in the process. Unless you don't consider Pover n 'Tover "real opposition" either I don't understand why you'd want to stand by that statement.

:worship::worship:

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:23 PM
Generation Suck hype is getting ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Especially Petra and Vika, who although very good players in their own right, are nowhere the blend of offensive and defensive capabilities that marked the Big Four. And some people arguing that Petra's peak is better than Serena. :help:

Aside from your English grammar challenges, :rolleyes: , you have no real, absolute, idea what the future may hold in regards to Kvitova's top end potential. In other words, you're not psychic and definitely you're no expert. I'm going to greatly enjoy watching Petra reduce your heroines to hasbeens. It's going to be lovely you delusional numbnuts. :lol:

Matt01
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Are you slow??? Venus came back from a serious injury and was battling an auto immune disease that was attacking everything from lungs her to her joints, therefore Venus didn't get a chance to prove what she is capable of. Venus is rehabbing and working on controlling her condition, she'll be back to prove pathetic haters like you wrong.


No one knows if Venus will ever get her disease under control to be able to play consistant tennis again. Why are you so sure? :shrug:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:17 PM
No one knows if Venus will ever get her disease under control to be able to play consistant tennis again. Why are you so sure? :shrug:
Venus is a fighter, that's why I'm so sure.

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:44 PM
I love the Big 3, but I'm ready to see some new blood start kicking tail...namely Lisicki

and Petkovic.

If you're banking on those two, you're going to be greatly disappointed. Neither is GS material. :sad:

Matt01
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:44 PM
Venus is a fighter, that's why I'm so sure.


Oh, that convinces me.

vozas
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Venus hasn't done squat since her 2008 Wimbledon title. People complain about lack of challenges on tour and cakewalks; well, all of her good results in the past three years have come from beating scrubs too. She's old, and she can keep playing epic matches with 40 year olds like she did against Oldiko at Wimbledon this year for all I care.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:53 PM
If you're banking on those two, you're going to be greatly disappointed. Neither is GS material. :sad:

Lisicki has potential (and more potential to win a slam than Petkovic), though she's not a finished/immediately slam ready player yet.

But we'll see? And be fair.

dsanders06
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Please, this is the same person that beat Sharapova and Kvitova 3 times this year [b]dropping ZERO sets in the process Unless you don't consider Pover n 'Tover "real opposition" either I don't understand why you'd want to stand by that statement.

:help: at you genuinely thinking Petkovic didn't drop a set against Maria/Petra this year - both women beat Petkovic by 6-0 6-3 once each. And the point is that when beating Petkovic in 3sets ON GRASS is the highlight of your season, your career's in trouble.

dsanders06
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Venus hasn't done squat since her 2008 Wimbledon title. People complain about lack of challenges on tour and cakewalks; well, all of her good results in the past three years have come from beating scrubs too. She's old, and she can keep playing epic matches with 40 year olds like she did against Oldiko at Wimbledon this year for all I care.

Yup. She hasn't beaten a single top 5 player in more than two years now. Even though it appeared superficially that she was doing well and winning lots of matches in early 2010, that was only because of the fact she was playing a reasonably full schedule (by her standards) and was taking advantage of a vacuum at the top to climb the rankings - in reality, she wasn't doing that well and was getting thrashed the moment she ran into an inform opponent. And since then, for the past 18 months, she hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to play more than 6 matches in any 2-month period, and the nature of her illness means it'll only get progressively worse no matter what "treatment" she seeks. I honestly don't know who to feel more sorry for her - her fans who have these utterly unrealistic hopes of her making anything approaching a semi-respectable comeback, or Venus herself who is being pressured by her "fans" into this comeback even if it jeopardises her health.

Paneru
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:35 PM
Q. Why should we believe that you'll be back to where you were?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Well, I think that at the end of the day, I don't care if you believe or anyone else believes in here, because it's me. So believe what you want to. There's always going to be nay sayers. You may be one of them, I don't know. Guess what, I don't care.

winone23, you really don't have to exhaust yourself trying to convince anyone of anything here pertaining to Venus. Think of what she has done despite it all in the past four years despite symptoms that she had no answer for. Now, think of the fact that she knows what she is fighting, she is back on the court, and feeling better. Their is much reason for hope. Hope in a fighter knowing what she is fighting and the clarity it brings.

Oh 2012 may prove galactic for Venus. ;)

CloudAtlas
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:36 PM
but My dinosaur did eat your stratosphere ass Barbie this summer didn't she? :baby:


Who is the blonde girl in your avatar? It's not Woz is it??

TheDream
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Yup. She hasn't beaten a single top 5 player in more than two years now. Even though it appeared superficially that she was doing well and winning lots of matches in early 2010, that was only because of the fact she was playing a reasonably full schedule (by her standards) and was taking advantage of a vacuum at the top to climb the rankings - in reality, she wasn't doing that well and was getting thrashed the moment she ran into an inform opponent. And since then, for the past 18 months, she hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to play more than 6 matches in any 2-month period, and the nature of her illness means it'll only get progressively worse no matter what "treatment" she seeks. I honestly don't know who to feel more sorry for her - her fans who have these utterly unrealistic hopes of her making anything approaching a semi-respectable comeback, or Venus herself who is being pressured by her "fans" into this comeback even if it jeopardises her health.


This is rubbish. The only time Venus got thrashed in 2010 was by Kim in Miami and Venus was wrapped like a mummy because she was suffering from that knee injury. I guess Pironkova as well, but even Kim lost to Petrova 61 60 that year. Richard Williams suggested Venus skip Wimbledon that year anyway especially considering the fact she didn't play a match after Wimbledon until the US Open where she was just 4 points from defeating Kin Clijsters in the SF.

Nobody is saying Venus is going to win the Golden Slam next year, but when healthy, she has great results, bit being healthy is a big if. But, I fully expect her to do well at Wimbledon next year.

hankqq
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Venus hasn't done squat since her 2008 Wimbledon title. People complain about lack of challenges on tour and cakewalks; well, all of her good results in the past three years have come from beating scrubs too. She's old, and she can keep playing epic matches with 40 year olds like she did against Oldiko at Wimbledon this year for all I care.

You do realize this "Oldiko" you speak of lost to Venus in an epic match, but last year still managed to defeat Sharapova the week of her 40th birthday? :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:54 PM
You do realize this "Oldiko" you speak of lost to Venus in an epic match, but last year still managed to defeat Sharapova the week of her 40th birthday? :lol:

shhh :lol:

TheDream
Nov 4th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Venus hasn't done squat since her 2008 Wimbledon title. People complain about lack of challenges on tour and cakewalks; well, all of her good results in the past three years have come from beating scrubs too. She's old, and she can keep playing epic matches with 40 year olds like she did against Oldiko at Wimbledon this year for all I care.

Didn't Venus win 8 titles since then including the 2009 Wimbledon final? I wouldn't call that squat considering she has also been out a year since that time. Nobody is saying Venus is going to sweep every tournament she plays, but when healthy, it's been proven she's a solid Top 5-8 player winning a couple of titles a year and being consistent in the majors especially at Wimbledon and US Open. Those are the facts when we look at a healthy Venus. Deal with it!

dsanders06
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:02 PM
This is rubbish. The only time Venus got thrashed in 2010 was by Kim in Miami and Venus was wrapped like a mummy because she was suffering from that knee injury. I guess Pironkova as well, but even Kim lost to Petrova 61 60 that year. Richard Williams suggested Venus skip Wimbledon that year anyway especially considering the fact she didn't play a match after Wimbledon until the US Open where she was just 4 points from defeating Kin Clijsters in the SF.

She also got destroyed by Jankovic, and lost very convincingly to Rezai, Petrova and Pironkova.

Didn't Venus win 8 titles since then including the 2009 Wimbledon final? I wouldn't call that squat considering she has also been out a year since that time. Nobody is saying Venus is going to sweep every tournament she plays, but when healthy, it's been proven she's a solid Top 5-8 player winning a couple of titles a year and being consistent in the majors especially at Wimbledon and US Open. Those are the facts when we look at a healthy Venus. Deal with it!

Except she hasn't proven this in more than two years - that's the point.

Nicolás89
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Oh God, TF as usual is such a mess.
All this talk about Petra being so hyped is just so wrong, people were predicting Rena to win THIS YEAR Wimbledon after she played 1 event, now that's hype, get real.

effedcamel
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:07 PM
You do realize this "Oldiko" you speak of lost to Venus in an epic match, but last year still managed to defeat Sharapova the week of her 40th birthday? :lol:

will that justification make you think she's going to perform as well as Sharpie did this year?

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Oh, that convinces me.
:cheer:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Didn't Venus win 8 titles since then including the 2009 Wimbledon final? I wouldn't call that squat considering she has also been out a year since that time. Nobody is saying Venus is going to sweep every tournament she plays, but when healthy, it's been proven she's a solid Top 5-8 player winning a couple of titles a year and being consistent in the majors especially at Wimbledon and US Open. Those are the facts when we look at a healthy Venus. Deal with it!

:clap2::clap2:

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:43 PM
She also got destroyed by Jankovic, and lost very convincingly to Rezai, Petrova and Pironkova.

Except she hasn't proven this in more than two years - that's the point.

Why hasn't the Venus been able to prove it, is it because she was playing the tour all year and getting beat by everyone?

Or is it because she hasn't played much in 2 years, as you fools keep trying to over look. Venus was battling an undiagnosed disease for 4 years that has been getting worse, yet she was able to win slams in singles and doubles and was #2 in the world in singles and number #1 in doubles just last year. Now that Venus has been properly diagnosed she has a new action plan, which will enable her to play better. Venus had a couple a bad losses, so what, show me one top player doesn't have bad losses.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:44 PM
will that justification make you think she's going to perform as well as Sharpie did this year?

Venus is a better player than Sharapova could be one justifiable argument.

TheDream
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:46 PM
She also got destroyed by Jankovic, and lost very convincingly to Rezai, Petrova and Pironkova.



Except she hasn't proven this in more than two years - that's the point.

And? Rezai was the in form player at the time and it wasn't so convincing consisering Venus was up 5-2 in the 2nd set. She got crushed by JJ but all too players have bad losses. She still reached 4 finals out of only 8 tournaments played and some of those tournaments she didn't reach the final she returned from long injury layoffs.

And, why do you keep bringing up this 2 year thing. She hasn't been healthy enough to prove you one way or another. That's just like me saying Kim Clijsters hasn't beaten a Top 5 player in almost a year, which would be technically true, but facetious considering she's been injured throughout. Venus was injured most of 2010 and all of 2011 so I don't see the point you're trying to make?

You could say however, that you don't believe Venus will ever get back to the top because you don't think she's healthy, now that's another story. But, you're arguments make little to no sense really. That's just like me saying Serena hasn't won a slam in 18 months even though her injury was a contributing factor and not because she was playing badly. Venus has not beaten a Top 5 player because her play has been bad or she's been inconsistent, but because she's been injured and recovering from an auto immune disease. :weirdo: It isn't rocket science.

winone23
Nov 4th, 2011, 09:54 PM
And? Rezai was the in form player at the time and it wasn't so convincing consisering Venus was up 5-2 in the 2nd set. She got crushed by JJ but all too players have bad losses. She still reached 4 finals out of only 8 tournaments played and some of those tournaments she didn't reach the final she returned from long injury layoffs.

And, why do you keep bringing up this 2 year thing. She hasn't been healthy enough to prove you one way or another. That's just like me saying Kim Clijsters hasn't beaten a Top 5 player in almost a year, which would be technically true, but facetious considering she's been injured throughout. Venus was injured most of 2010 and all of 2011 so I don't see the point you're trying to make?

You could say however, that you don't believe Venus will ever get back to the top because you don't think she's healthy, now that's another story. But, you're arguments make little to no sense really. That's just like me saying Serena hasn't won a slam in 18 months even though her injury was a contributing factor and not because she was playing badly. Venus has not beaten a Top 5 player because her play has been bad or she's been inconsistent, but because she's been injured and recovering from an auto immune disease. :weirdo: It isn't rocket science.

Well said! Dsanders is like a shady scientist, he's always trying to manipulate the data.

bbjpa
Nov 4th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Wake up !!! it's 2012 not 2005

The big 3 is was already outdated in 2011 and will be more in 2012 :lol:

Linguae^
Nov 4th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Well, they are still big names and famous enough, so I would rather think that beating THEM would be snatching some wigs...? :eek:

Cajka
Nov 5th, 2011, 01:14 AM
Well, they are still big names and famous enough, so I would rather think that beating THEM would be snatching some wigs...? :eek:

This too. I would put it in totally different perspective, just like you did. They don't need to prove anything to anyone by snatching some wigs. They did a lot for this sport. Serena and Venus took power hitting in female tennis to a complete new level, all other big hitters who came after them have been trying to come close to their peak level for years. But they were no just big hitters, they were also great athletes, smart players. Serena lost barely 100 matches in her long career and she played against the big players from few different generations. THAT'S JUST: AMAZING!!! :worship:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 5th, 2011, 01:15 AM
This too. I would put it in totally different perspective, just like you did. They don't need to prove anything to anyone by snatching some wigs. They did a lot for this sport. Serena and Venus took power hitting in female tennis to a complete new level, all other big hitters who came after them have been trying to come close to their peak level for years. But they were no just big hitters, they were also great athletes, smart players. Serena lost barely 100 matches in her long career and she played against the big players from few different generations. THAT'S JUST: AMAZING!!! :worship:

Petra is a bigger hitter than Serena/Venus. Arguably Lisicki too.

Cajka
Nov 5th, 2011, 01:54 AM
Petra is a bigger hitter than Serena/Venus. Arguably Lisicki too.

Serena's serve alone is bigger than anything that Petra has. And the other strokes. Well, Petra occasionally can hit a bigger forehand than Serena does. She's not the first one who did it. I'm not sure about the speedometers facts, few years ago some stats were saying that Anna Lena Groenefeld, Dokič, Ivanović, Sam etc. were riding the ball faster than Venus (Ree was top 5). But it's not all about the average ball speed. There has to be consistency. Those balls must be in. If it's long or wide, who cares if it was fast. There must be some control. Serena can definitely hit hard, but she doesn't do it when it's not necessary. Taking power to another level doesn't only include strength, the strength is nothing if there's no tactics.

effedcamel
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:02 AM
Didn't Venus win 8 titles since then including the 2009 Wimbledon final? I wouldn't call that squat considering she has also been out a year since that time. Nobody is saying Venus is going to sweep every tournament she plays, but when healthy, it's been proven she's a solid Top 5-8 player winning a couple of titles a year and being consistent in the majors especially at Wimbledon and US Open. Those are the facts when we look at a healthy Venus. Deal with it!

I thought she lost the 2009 final?? :confused:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:04 AM
Serena's serve alone is bigger than anything that Petra has. And the other strokes. Well, Petra occasionally can hit a bigger forehand than Serena does. She's not the first one who did it. I'm not sure about the speedometers facts, few years ago some stats were saying that Anna Lena Groenefeld, Dokič, Ivanović, Sam etc. were riding the ball faster than Venus (Ree was top 5). But it's not all about the average ball speed. There has to be consistency. Those balls must be in. If it's long or wide, who cares if it was fast. There must be some control. Serena can definitely hit hard, but she doesn't do it when it's not necessary. Taking power to another level doesn't only include strength, the strength is nothing if there's no tactics.

First of all, Serena serve will always be faster than Kvitova's. The reason for that being that she relies on her sliced out wide serve a lot, which is a naturally slower serve. Kvitova's serve is about placement and variety rather than pure pace.

Second, consistency is a totally different issue. When it comes to hitting the ball hard, Petra is hardest hitter the game has ever seen. As far as I remember, she was forcing Serena to defend pretty much every point in their Wimbledon 2010 SF and hit more winners than her. Serena came through thanks to experience, obviously, but the fact remains that Kvitova's groundstrokes are faster. She completely outhit Sharapova in Wimbledon final as well. Someone who is considered to be a big hitter as well. And she didn't outhit her. She obliterated her in groundstroke speed. Kvitova thanks to her timing, technique, and taking the ball early can hit bombs off both wings every single time.

Aaron.
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:17 AM
And? Rezai was the in form player at the time and it wasn't so convincing consisering Venus was up 5-2 in the 2nd set. She got crushed by JJ but all too players have bad losses. She still reached 4 finals out of only 8 tournaments played and some of those tournaments she didn't reach the final she returned from long injury layoffs.

And, why do you keep bringing up this 2 year thing. She hasn't been healthy enough to prove you one way or another. That's just like me saying Kim Clijsters hasn't beaten a Top 5 player in almost a year, which would be technically true, but facetious considering she's been injured throughout. Venus was injured most of 2010 and all of 2011 so I don't see the point you're trying to make?

You could say however, that you don't believe Venus will ever get back to the top because you don't think she's healthy, now that's another story. But, you're arguments make little to no sense really. That's just like me saying Serena hasn't won a slam in 18 months even though her injury was a contributing factor and not because she was playing badly. Venus has not beaten a Top 5 player because her play has been bad or she's been inconsistent, but because she's been injured and recovering from an auto immune disease. :weirdo: It isn't rocket science. This.

dsanders can't even use correct logic because of his obsession with Venus.

Cajka
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:22 AM
First of all, Serena serve will always be faster than Kvitova's. The reason for that being that she relies on her sliced out wide serve a lot, which is a naturally slower serve. Kvitova's serve is about placement and variety rather than pure pace.

Second, consistency is a totally different issue. When it comes to hitting the ball hard, Petra is hardest hitter the game has ever seen. As far as I remember, she was forcing Serena to defend pretty much every point in their Wimbledon 2010 SF and hit more winners than her. Serena came through thanks to experience, obviously, but the fact remains that Kvitova's groundstrokes are faster. She completely outhit Sharapova in Wimbledon final as well. Someone who is considered to be a big hitter as well. And she didn't outhit her. She obliterated her in groundstroke speed. Kvitova thanks to her timing, technique, and taking the ball early can hit bombs off both wings every single time.

You should sometimes check the forced errors stats. Ana hit more winners than Serena when they played this year, do you really think that Ana overpowered her??? They both, Petra and Ana, won 7 or 8 games against her in their last matches. And it wasn't even peak Serena.
And, yes, Kvitova can hit the bombs, just ask the people in crowd who swallow those balls every time she's unable to find a court even when she's on the great position to score. you won't see Serena does such thing

ExtremespeedX
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:30 AM
You should sometimes check the forced errors stats. Ana hit more winners than Serena when they played this year, do you really think that Ana overpowered her??? They both, Petra and Ana, won 7 or 8 games against her in their last matches. And it wasn't even peak Serena.
And, yes, Kvitova can hit the bombs, just ask the people in crowd who swallow those balls every time she's unable to find a court even when she's on the great position to score. you won't see Serena does such thing

Ana isn't as aggressive as Petra and her groundstrokes aren't as flat and as powerful, especially off the backhand.

And I find it silly to point out Petra's unforced error count. Of course, she makes a lot. Her game is not in her prime yet. Serena learned to temper her aggression years ago. Petra is still a green player in comparison. To compare the two is just silly considering the experience advantage.

Cajka
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:47 AM
Ana isn't as aggressive as Petra and her groundstrokes aren't as flat and as powerful, especially off the backhand.

And I find it silly to point out Petra's unforced error count. Of course, she makes a lot. Her game is not in her prime yet. Serena learned to temper her aggression years ago. Petra is still a green player in comparison. To compare the two is just silly considering the experience advantage.

Young Ana was very aggressive, even as a shadow of her old self, she's still one of the most aggressive players there. If she could find the consistency and some self-confidence (which would of course lead to consistency), she could become a big factor again. And the UEs are the big part of the game. If Gajdošova could cut those, she would be a top 5 player. If Karlović could hit an ace on every single serve, he would be the greatest ever. He wouldn't even need to do anything else on the court. But, the ability to control the power takes much more talent/brain/skills than producing a power.

Btw. I'm done with this thread, this is boring. *unsubscribed

You used to have some great faves and a good sense of humor. You passed your peak. :sad:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:58 AM
Young Ana was very aggressive, even as a shadow of her old self, she's still one of the most aggressive players there. If she could find the consistency and some self-confidence (which would of course lead to consistency), she could become a big factor again. And the UEs are the big part of the game. If Gajdošova could cut those, she would be a top 5 player. If Karlović could hit an ace on every single serve, he would be the greatest ever. He wouldn't even need to do anything else on the court. But, the ability to control the power takes much more talent/brain/skills than producing a power.

Btw. I'm done with this thread, this is boring. *unsubscribed

You used to have some great faves and a good sense of humor. You passed your peak. :sad:

Ana, even in her peak, had a lot of technical flaws in her game. Her backhand was always crap and combined with average movement, she could always be caught in a bad position. Furthermore, her best weapon, the forehand, could also be rushed on fast surfaces due to relatively big backswing. Even in her absolute prime she could only be a factor on slow hard and clay :shrug: That's not even to mention her technically poor ball toss...

Petra has average movement as well, but with her clean, compact grounstrokes off both wings, she can compensate for that. Add the enormous running forehand cross court or DTL to her arsenal as well as great low slice and suddenly she doesn't seem so slow anymore.

You seem to put a lot of expectations on a 21 year old player who just had a breakthrough year. For all we know Petra could become 5 times the player in 2012 like she did from 2010 to 2011 :shrug:

Steven.
Nov 5th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Yeah, but don't be so sure the reverse won't happen next year either.

Ana never won another slam after 2008.
Mauresmo never won a slam after 2006. In fact, 2007 was her worst year since 2003/02 ish.
Maria took over 2 years to win another slam after her Wimbledon triumph.
Serena took over 2 years to win her second slam.
ASV took 5 years to win her second slam.
Graf had a period after she won 8/9 slams where she was not a reigning slam champion.
Kim took 2 years after she made 3/4 slam final to win a slam.
Venus took 3 years to reach another slam final after her debut final at the USO 97.
Hingis never won a slam again after 1999.
and 100 more examples where players fail to meet expectations the following year. And these are all world class players.

And this is why I say one year on tour is not the indication of what will happen the following year.

BikezAreForever!
Nov 5th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Yeah, but don't be so sure the reverse won't happen next year either.

Ana never won another slam after 2008.
Mauresmo never won a slam after 2006. In fact, 2007 was her worst year since 2003/02 ish.
Maria took over 2 years to win another slam after her Wimbledon triumph.
Serena took over 2 years to win her second slam.
ASV took 5 years to win her second slam.
Graf had a period after she won 8/9 slams where she was not a reigning slam champion.
Kim took 2 years after she made 3/4 slam final to win a slam.
Venus took 3 years to reach another slam final after her debut final at the USO 97.
Hingis never won a slam again after 1999.
and 100 more examples where players fail to meet expectations the following year. And these are all world class players.

And this is why I say one year on tour is not the indication of what will happen the following year.
:yeah::yeah: Great post!! People should realise how hard it is to win a GS. Thats why they are so highly regarded. Suggesting anyone (Petra or anyone else) winning GSs like it is picking up groceries, that is not gonna happen.

tennisbear7
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:24 AM
Aside from your English grammar challenges, :rolleyes: , you have no real, absolute, idea what the future may hold in regards to Kvitova's top end potential. In other words, you're not psychic and definitely you're no expert. I'm going to greatly enjoy watching Petra reduce your heroines to hasbeens. It's going to be lovely you delusional numbnuts. :lol:

:help::help: Please sit down. It is clear that English is not your first language and your statements have the hallmarks of someone who has not studied in English and taken note of its conventions.

All the wig-wearers in this thread. You still haven't told me how Petra, Vika and Caro are taking women's tennis to a new level. They are all one thing, but not the other. The Big Four were both. So sue me for being even the slightest bit nostalgic. :tape:

Sam L
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:18 AM
Sorry when did Kim Clijsters become part of the Williams/Henin group?

And I really don't think she'll be doing any wig-snatching in 2012.

dragonflies
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:46 AM
Ana, even in her peak, had a lot of technical flaws in her game. Her backhand was always crap and combined with average movement, she could always be caught in a bad position. Furthermore, her best weapon, the forehand, could also be rushed on fast surfaces due to relatively big backswing. Even in her absolute prime she could only be a factor on slow hard and clay :shrug: That's not even to mention her technically poor ball toss...

Petra has average movement as well, but with her clean, compact grounstrokes off both wings, she can compensate for that. Add the enormous running forehand cross court or DTL to her arsenal as well as great low slice and suddenly she doesn't seem so slow anymore.

You seem to put a lot of expectations on a 21 year old player who just had a breakthrough year. For all we know Petra could become 5 times the player in 2012 like she did from 2010 to 2011 :shrug:



No, we don't know that. It's new. You are the only one saying this so far, so you are obviously the only one that does. :lol:


Petra won one Slam this year. Next year she will win 5 Slams? There won't be enough Slams for her to win. Okay, I got it. Petra will win the calendar Slam then complete the Wimbledon single double,ladies single and ATP's men single , beating Nadal in the semi and Djoker in the final.


I like Petra and I really wish her success next year as tennis really needs a new star. Let's wait until next year to see how she fares with all the pressure and expectation. I just hope she won't repeat the failure of many other players after one year of success that we have seen so many over the years.



Talk is cheap. You can't be so sure about tennis results. So just sit down or doing some other things till the next season comes. ;)

Trickle
Nov 5th, 2011, 08:09 AM
Sorry when did Kim Clijsters become part of the Williams/Henin group?


When people talk about the Sisters and the Belgians during the early to mid 2000s, who would be the other Belgian they are talking about other than Justine?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/2406472/Belgians-threaten-sister-act.html

madmax
Nov 5th, 2011, 08:24 AM
so now Petra is the biggest hitter of all time?:haha:
Davenport was a bigger hitter than her and had even easier time to create power off both wings;
Peak Maria was hitting bigger on average as well;
Peak Venus was definitely a bigger hitter too...

Am I the only one who finds all of this Petra hype a bit amusing? I mean it's not like she's dominating the tour filled legends like WS, Henin, Clijsters, Davenport all playing at the same time, now does she?

sunsfuns
Nov 5th, 2011, 10:57 AM
Serena is the only one among these three who is likely to accumulate some serious titles next year. Kim's health won't allow it and it seems to me that her motivation is not where it was 2 years ago. Venus is completely out of question because of health problems + general decline due to old age.

I am not a psychic either, but it wouldn't surprise me if Petra follows with multiple slams next year. Kind of like Federer after his 2003 season (Wimbledon + YEC)...

mac47
Nov 5th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Actually, MadMax, Petra is probably the biggest hitter in tennis history. Her average groundstroke speed statistics would probably bear this out. She won the Wimbledon final by overpowering Sharapova with her groundstrokes. I don't have the necessary statistics for Davenport and Venus, but the BBC reported that Petra's groundstroke speed in the first set of Wimby was 10 mph more than Pova's.

Anybody know where to find average groundstroke speed stats?

Of course, none of that means that she will have the best career or even win another slam. There are, after all, lines painted on the court. You can hit everything 100 mph, but you have to keep the ball in the court to win.

madmax
Nov 5th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Actually, MadMax, Petra is probably the biggest hitter in tennis history. Her average groundstroke speed statistics would probably bear this out. She won the Wimbledon final by overpowering Sharapova with her groundstrokes. I don't have the necessary statistics for Davenport and Venus, but the BBC reported that Petra's groundstroke speed in the first set of Wimby was 10 mph more than Pova's.

Anybody know where to find average groundstroke speed stats?

Of course, none of that means that she will have the best career or even win another slam. There are, after all, lines painted on the court. You can hit everything 100 mph, but you have to keep the ball in the court to win.

I've watched plenty of tennis in my life and Petra's power gets immensely overrated here. I suggest you to watch any of peak Davenports', Maria's or Venus' matches and see them bludgeoning the ball on every stroke and actually hitting it inside the lines most of the time. Another thing is that it's much easier to dominate current crop of players as opposed to few years ago, when we still had elite players and they all shared the biggest titles between them. And Maria's Wimby match is a bad example, because she was enerally very flat that day and didn't play a good match by any means (not like current Maria hits as hard as she did in her teenage days anyway)

tennisbear7
Nov 5th, 2011, 11:26 AM
I actually think Petra gets more power on her strokes, but peak Davenport and Sharapova were more consistent and precise.

I like Petra. My only beef with her is that she's not Serena. But it's a start for Generation Suck I suppose.

mac47
Nov 5th, 2011, 11:56 AM
I've watched plenty of tennis in my life and Petra's power gets immensely overrated here. I suggest you to watch any of peak Davenports', Maria's or Venus' matches and see them bludgeoning the ball on every stroke and actually hitting it inside the lines most of the time. Another thing is that it's much easier to dominate current crop of players as opposed to few years ago, when we still had elite players and they all shared the biggest titles between them. And Maria's Wimby match is a bad example, because she was enerally very flat that day and didn't play a good match by any means (not like current Maria hits as hard as she did in her teenage days anyway)

I've been watching WTA tennis fairly continuously since the days of Navratilova. I've seen Davenport etc. Sorry, but those girls didn't hit harder than Petra.

The rest of this is just special pleading.

Ferg
Nov 5th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Stop living in the past about Maria Madmax. yawn. Shes never going to be the player she was.

HRHoliviasmith
Nov 5th, 2011, 02:39 PM
:hysteric: @ this thread.

Smitten
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:31 PM
Two of them have a chance at returning to the top.

:lol: Azarenka is not an obstacle for either player.

VishaalMaria
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:47 PM
Stop living in the past about Maria Madmax. yawn. Shes never going to be the player she was.

Seems like every match post 2008 has been a "bad day" for Maria.

VishaalMaria
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:51 PM
And? Rezai was the in form player at the time and it wasn't so convincing consisering Venus was up 5-2 in the 2nd set. She got crushed by JJ but all too players have bad losses. She still reached 4 finals out of only 8 tournaments played and some of those tournaments she didn't reach the final she returned from long injury layoffs.

And, why do you keep bringing up this 2 year thing. She hasn't been healthy enough to prove you one way or another. That's just like me saying Kim Clijsters hasn't beaten a Top 5 player in almost a year, which would be technically true, but facetious considering she's been injured throughout. Venus was injured most of 2010 and all of 2011 so I don't see the point you're trying to make?

You could say however, that you don't believe Venus will ever get back to the top because you don't think she's healthy, now that's another story. But, you're arguments make little to no sense really. That's just like me saying Serena hasn't won a slam in 18 months even though her injury was a contributing factor and not because she was playing badly. Venus has not beaten a Top 5 player because her play has been bad or she's been inconsistent, but because she's been injured and recovering from an auto immune disease. :weirdo: It isn't rocket science.

Good post.

If people went out in the real world and got themselves educated, there wouldn't be the need to spell things out to them.

starin
Nov 5th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Part timers or not I don't see how people wouldn't want them to come back and compete. Without them Kvitova literally has almost no real competition. It will just be a bunch of matches where Kvitova either hits a lot of winners or hits a lot of errors. The "big three" and Kuznetsova are probably the only players who can deal with Kvitova's big shots on the run and come up with some big ones of their own.

HRHoliviasmith
Nov 5th, 2011, 06:51 PM
Seems like every match post 2008 has been a "bad day" for Maria.

:hysteric:

it-girl
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Hopefully, it will be a nice farewell year with seeing all the grannies putting desperate wannabes in their place before the DOOM arrives! :crying2::lol

moemoe
Nov 5th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Seems like every match post 2008 has been a "bad day" for Maria.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lknhlqWqaO1qj60veo1_400.gif

I ain't gonna go there.

But I don't think those are the big 3. It will be.

Petra Kvitova
Serena Williams
Maria Sharapova ( please please please)

Brad[le]y.
Nov 6th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Part timers or not I don't see how people wouldn't want them to come back and compete. Without them Kvitova literally has almost no real competition. It will just be a bunch of matches where Kvitova either hits a lot of winners or hits a lot of errors. The "big three" and Kuznetsova are probably the only players who can deal with Kvitova's big shots on the run and come up with some big ones of their own.

good post :yeah:

pav
Nov 6th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Let's keep wallowing in the past, "Petra is nothing because she doesn't have seperate names for her tits, like Suzanne Langlan"What next:confused:

ToopsTame
Nov 6th, 2011, 10:46 PM
As much as you (and I) would like this fantasy to be true Kim, Venus and Serena are well past their primes and winding down. Kim wants to be a mom more than she wants to be a tennis player. A good finish at the Australian Open is the only possibility as she hates clay and has not fared well on grass and I'll bet my house that she'll be retired fully by US Open time next year. Venus is done, maybe a medal at the Olympics if she is fired up and the draw is favourable but that's it. Serena is unpredictable and could win in Australia, Wimbledon or the US Open, but she's been finding ways to lose matches I wouldn't expect her to so who knows? She's definitely shutting down the year after the US Open again and I think there are even odds for her calling it a career at that point.

serenus_2k8
Nov 6th, 2011, 10:55 PM
Generation suck have not been forced to raise their games and dethrone the Williams Sisters or Kim in the same way they had done previously. It was seeing this fight from the fresh breed against other legends of the game that earned the fans respect and cemented them in the all time greats category. There is a VERY obvious link between the WS and Kim being MIA and generation suck 'stepping it up' - they're just playing a waiting game until the true champions are too old and injured to keep them in their place.

Say what you want about peak this vs peak that but nobody even knows who Azarenka, Kvitova, Wozniacki etc are because they generate no buzz from bursting on the scene and taking it to the big dogs. Compare it to how the likes of Del Potro, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray all raised their games to take it to Fed and stop his domination - they were beating him before he got too old to hack the tour and hence they generated excitement, interest and earned respect. Generation suck havent, hence the WTA goes into hibernation in the world media when the WS & Kim are MIA - nobody cares :wavey:

Sp!ffy
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Honestly, no one even remembers or cares about the Williams sisters anymore. :shrug:

BikezAreForever!
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Say what you want about peak this vs peak that but nobody even knows who Azarenka, Kvitova, Wozniacki etc are because they generate no buzz from bursting on the scene and taking it to the big dogs. Compare it to how the likes of Del Potro, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray all raised their games to take it to Fed and stop his domination - they were beating him before he got too old to hack the tour and hence they generated excitement, interest and earned respect. Generation suck havent, hence the WTA goes into hibernation in the world media when the WS & Kim are MIA - nobody cares :wavey:
Thats not very good comparison. Fed played more tournaments in 6 months than those three in the full year. It was unfortunate they were injured but you seems to be suggesting that it is young generations problem. LOL at you suggesting that new generations is waiting it out - you cant compete with anybody if they do not show up to play :confused:. Can you please let me know how many tournaments those three played in 2011 - and that mean competing Federer style - playing finals and stuff???

Otlichno
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:16 PM
True. I'm not too sure about Kim and Venus though, their bodies seem to be breaking down, we will have to wait and see how they cope.

As far as Serena goes, she proved she can still dominate the tour, and I think after that US Open Final loss, I think she'll be even more determined then ever.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:34 PM
Love it how everyone paints Clijsters as some sort of elite player when she could barely win 1 slam in her prime and came back to win slams in an era where Dullniacki is #1 :o

ViceUltramontain
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Love it how everyone paints Clijsters as some sort of elite player when she could barely win 1 slam in her prime and came back to win slams in an era where Dullniacki is #1 :o

Please. The only world class player with a positive H2H against Kim is Serena Williams.

Your fave could never.

Otlichno
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Love it how everyone paints Clijsters as some sort of elite player when she could barely win 1 slam in her prime and came back to win slams in an era where Dullniacki is #1 :o

Back then she was a great player but not an elite player. But because of the current state of the WTA tour she has become an elite player, at least compared to the majority. :shrug:

AcesHigh
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Kim has been an elite player since 2003.
I'm not sure how anyone can deny that. If not for her injuries she probably would have snatched slams in 2004 while Henin and the WS were out or recovering.
Who else can stand toe to toe with Justine, Venus and Serena at their best

BikezAreForever!
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:48 PM
Please. The only world class player with a positive H2H against Kim is Serena Williams.

Your fave could never.

Never say never. ;)

ExtremespeedX
Nov 6th, 2011, 11:49 PM
Kim has been an elite player since 2003.
I'm not sure how anyone can deny that. If not for her injuries she probably would have snatched slams in 2004 while Henin and the WS were out or recovering.
Who else can stand toe to toe with Justine, Venus and Serena at their best

Injuries are part of the sport and have to do with a player's particular style. Whose fault is it that Clijsters has no serve and grinds every point? The injuries with her style are expected, it's silly to claim that her injuries are freak accidents, rather than her heavily physical style of play, which heavily taxes the body.

danieln1
Nov 7th, 2011, 02:20 AM
Love it how everyone paints Clijsters as some sort of elite player when she could barely win 1 slam in her prime and came back to win slams in an era where Dullniacki is #1 :o

This forum is ridiculous regarding Fiona, they claim she´s one of the best ever, where she´s just a opportunist who came back in a mug era to claim slam titles against first timer finalist Caro, mental midget Zvonareva and first timer Li....... And even in 2005 she was lucky to face injured Mary Pierce in the final...... it´s so ridiculous, she´s just so overrated here :help:

And the Big Three was always Venus, Serena and Justine.

BikezAreForever!
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:32 AM
.. claim slam titles against first timer finalist Caro, mental midget Zvonareva and first timer Li....... And even in 2005 she was lucky to face injured Mary Pierce in the final...... it´s so ridiculous, she´s just so overrated here :help:

And the Big Three was always Venus, Serena and Justine.

At US Open 2009 Kim went through Bartoli, Venus, Na Li, Serena and Woz. Thats pretty much hardest way to win grand slam I know of in last few years. I still think that she could have won more GSs early, just for her mental side being rather weak at the beginning of the career. She had so many times Serena at its mercy just to choke on big leads (I vaguely remember being like 5-1 up once). Once she sorted it, she started winning slams against any opposition.

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:49 AM
What Slam did Venus win, or Slam final did she reach? :spit: It's a Big 2 now, Kim and Serena.

I want the young generation to win Slams, but thats only because I've seen Kim and Serena win for years now and want a change. :shrug:

Well if the young generation SUCK, then I hardly think they deserve to win anything against, Well Serena and Venus, Kim hasn't been winning Majors for years. She only has 3. I'd still like to see her win at least 2 more b4 she retires again:drool:

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:52 AM
Please. I should hope Venus could beat those two with one hand tied behind her back and her shoe laces tied together. I thought we were talking about her chances of beating real opposition, which does not look that likely right now.

Venus takes Kim Clijsters to 3 sets in the last two meetings with swelling, a bum knee and very little play.:help:

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:56 AM
Venus hasn't done squat since her 2008 Wimbledon title. People complain about lack of challenges on tour and cakewalks; well, all of her good results in the past three years have come from beating scrubs too. She's old, and she can keep playing epic matches with 40 year olds like she did against Oldiko at Wimbledon this year for all I care.

Not true, She won the YEC's that year, made the Wimbly final the next year, and then in 2010 climbed up to #2 in the world. That's nothing??

BikezAreForever!
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:57 AM
I hardly think they deserve to win anything against, Well Serena and Venus, Kim hasn't been winning Majors for years. She only has 3. I'd still like to see her win at least 2 more b4 she retires again:drool: I am confused by your post. Do you know by any chance who is reigning Australian Open champion????

ToopsTame
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:00 AM
At US Open 2009 Kim went through Bartoli, Venus, Na Li, Serena and Woz. Thats pretty much hardest way to win grand slam I know of in last few years.
Compared to the last few years yeah, but it's not as impressive when put up against other amazing runs from the past. The Serena and Venus wins were great no doubt but Na Li is hot and cold, Bartoli is not elite and rarely plays elite level stuff and Woz is filler.

I still think that she could have won more GSs early, just for her mental side being rather weak at the beginning of the career. She had so many times Serena at its mercy just to choke on big leads (I vaguely remember being like 5-1 up once). Once she sorted it, she started winning slams against any opposition.
Not quite true. Kim was losing in slams to Serena, Venus and Justine. She was elite but definitely a half a step behind those players and it's not a coincidence that they were beating her more often than not on the biggest stages. Kim choked a lead against Serena in Australia in 2003, but other than that she tended to get outplayed or just edged at the finish line(Wimbledon 2002&2003, US Open 2003, Australian Open 2004, Roland Garros 2001&2003). You can't put that on mental weakness.

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:01 AM
Wake up !!! it's 2012 not 2005

The big 3 is was already outdated in 2011 and will be more in 2012 :lol:

And the Outdated will be winning the Majors next year LOL:lol:

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:05 AM
Generation suck have not been forced to raise their games and dethrone the Williams Sisters or Kim in the same way they had done previously. It was seeing this fight from the fresh breed against other legends of the game that earned the fans respect and cemented them in the all time greats category. There is a VERY obvious link between the WS and Kim being MIA and generation suck 'stepping it up' - they're just playing a waiting game until the true champions are too old and injured to keep them in their place.

Say what you want about peak this vs peak that but nobody even knows who Azarenka, Kvitova, Wozniacki etc are because they generate no buzz from bursting on the scene and taking it to the big dogs. Compare it to how the likes of Del Potro, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray all raised their games to take it to Fed and stop his domination - they were beating him before he got too old to hack the tour and hence they generated excitement, interest and earned respect. Generation suck havent, hence the WTA goes into hibernation in the world media when the WS & Kim are MIA - nobody cares :wavey:

This:worship:

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Honestly, no one even remembers or cares about the Williams sisters anymore. :shrug:

:spit::help:

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:09 AM
I am confused by your post. Do you know by any chance who is reigning Australian Open champion????

Okay my bad, I meant in consecutive years. Like for years and years....in that context.

VeeJJ
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:09 AM
Honestly, no one even remembers or cares about the Williams sisters anymore. :shrug:

GURL :lol: Now I thought you said you weren't a troll anymore.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:16 AM
Generation suck have not been forced to raise their games and dethrone the Williams Sisters or Kim in the same way they had done previously. It was seeing this fight from the fresh breed against other legends of the game that earned the fans respect and cemented them in the all time greats category. There is a VERY obvious link between the WS and Kim being MIA and generation suck 'stepping it up' - they're just playing a waiting game until the true champions are too old and injured to keep them in their place.

Say what you want about peak this vs peak that but nobody even knows who Azarenka, Kvitova, Wozniacki etc are because they generate no buzz from bursting on the scene and taking it to the big dogs. Compare it to how the likes of Del Potro, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray all raised their games to take it to Fed and stop his domination - they were beating him before he got too old to hack the tour and hence they generated excitement, interest and earned respect. Generation suck havent, hence the WTA goes into hibernation in the world media when the WS & Kim are MIA - nobody cares :wavey:

What a load of nonsense :shrug:

Petra Kvitova already raised tennis to new heights this year and next year she'll be even more dominant. She's the real deal of WTA and none of the washed up "elites" are stopping her next year :shrug:

And comparing Murray, Nadal and Djokobitch to Federer is almost insulting. They only started beating him when he was out of his prime. Nobody touched 2006 Federer. Nobody.

WonderfulLee
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:48 AM
What a load of nonsense :shrug:

Petra Kvitova already raised tennis to new heights this year and next year she'll be even more dominant. She's the real deal of WTA and none of the washed up "elites" are stopping her next year :shrug:

And comparing Murray, Nadal and Djokobitch to Federer is almost insulting. They only started beating him when he was out of his prime. Nobody touched 2006 Federer. Nobody.

Nadal beat federer 4 times in 2006!:wavey:

Steven.
Nov 7th, 2011, 05:07 AM
Oh god, ExtremespeedX is to Kvitova, what WorldLife is to Wozniacki.

Johnbert
Nov 7th, 2011, 05:50 AM
why v. williams still belongs to the "big three"? she won her last major 3,5 years ago :shrug:

she has only a chance in wimbledon, if she didn't face pironkova :wavey:

Sp!ffy
Nov 7th, 2011, 06:22 AM
GURL :lol: Now I thought you said you weren't a troll anymore.

I'm not trolling. :scratch: I think the average US American has no idea what a Williams sister is, except maybe "that tennis girl who was twerkin in Drake's condo m." Williams sisters are extinct these days and I really don't think anyone cares except a few nostalgia tards. :shrug::shrug::shrug:

Sp!ffy
Nov 7th, 2011, 06:27 AM
Not true, She won the YEC's that year, made the Wimbly final the next year, and then in 2010 climbed up to #2 in the world. That's nothing??

Girl, you're using Wozniacki type arguments. Don't lower V to that level :sad:

Trickle
Nov 7th, 2011, 08:09 AM
Love it how everyone paints Clijsters as some sort of elite player when she could barely win 1 slam in her prime and came back to win slams in an era where Dullniacki is #1 :o

Oh beach please! Kimmy was certainly up there with the big guys. She might have only won one grand slam during those ten long years 1999-2009 before her '2nd career' but she certainly is not a one slam wonder.

This statement that she sucked all along and only came back to snatch the wigs off weak era players is so lame and only used to undermine her overall career. If were going to only mention Grand slam winners as noteworthy then let's judge overall context of grand slam winners... meaning everyone's injuries, era, years of peak and slump performance, age and personal problems inclusive... the results speak for themselves. She LEADS most H2Hs.... does it mean, that it's fair to judge a peak version of this player versus a slumped version of this player? Of course not, but still elite-worthy imo.

Together these players have 43 Grand Slams between them.

Kim H2H Grand Slam Winners

POSITIVE

Kim v Justine (7 Grand Slams )
13 - 12
Kim v Venus ( 7 Grand Slams)
7 - 6
Kim v Hingis ( 5 Grand Slams)
5 - 4
Kim v Arantxa ( 4 Grand Slams)
4 - 0
Kim v Lindsay (3 Grand Slams)
10 - 9
Kim v Maria ( 3 Grand Slams)
6 - 3
Kim v Mary (2 Grand Slams)
3 - 1
Kim v Amelie (2 Grand Slams)
8 - 7
Kim v Svetlana ( 2 Grand Slams)
7 - 1
Kim v Myskina ( 1 Grand Slam)
7-3
Kim v Sam ( 1 Grand Slam)
5 - 0
Kim v Li Na ( 1 Grand Slam)
5 - 2
Kim v Petra (1 Grand Slam)
2 - 1
Kim v Franny ( 1 Grand Slam )
11 - 0
Kim v Conchita (1 Grand Slam )
5-1
Kim v Ana (1 Grand Slam)
2-0
Kim v Majoli ( 1 Grand Slam)
1-0

(Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these)

EQUAL

Kim v Jen ( 3 Grand Slams)
3 - 3

NEGATIVE

Steffi 0-1
Monica 0-1
Serena 2-7

So that's two GOATS and the reigning GOAT of this generation that she has bad track records with.

Yeah, if she's not elite, she is basically the next best thing.

And the thing is, Kim and Serena are from the same generation. So older Kim was still leading older Serena at the 2009 US Open before Serena opened her mouth and humiliated herself.

debby
Nov 7th, 2011, 10:31 AM
Just one point : Venus is OVA, Serena is already owned by Stosur in a Slam final so yeah she might already be done. Her only weapon is the serve, once it crumbles, she is roasted. Kim is not allowed to surpass Justine's total Slam wins, so she is not allowed either.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 7th, 2011, 12:49 PM
Just one point : Venus is OVA, Serena is already owned by Stosur in a Slam final so yeah she might already be done. Her only weapon is the serve, once it crumbles, she is roasted. Kim is not allowed to surpass Justine's total Slam wins, so she is not allowed either.

:lol: always hilare

Aaron.
Nov 7th, 2011, 09:39 PM
Can't wait to bump some quotes in here as 2012 comes :D

BikezAreForever!
Nov 7th, 2011, 09:43 PM
Can't wait to bump some quotes in here as 2012 comes :D
Which ones you would like to bump???

Aaron.
Nov 7th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Which ones you would like to bump??? The ones who say Venus and Serena are done. They've been proven wrong so many times.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 7th, 2011, 10:40 PM
Just one point : Venus is OVA, Serena is already owned by Stosur in a Slam final so yeah she might already be done. Her only weapon is the serve, once it crumbles, she is roasted. Kim is not allowed to surpass Justine's total Slam wins, so she is not allowed either.

you sound like vikapower in this post; except for the last sentence

Cajka
Mar 24th, 2012, 02:20 AM
The ones who say Venus and Serena are done. They've been proven wrong so many times.

Need some help?

Sorry, mods. The first and the last time I'm doing this.

VishaalMaria
Mar 24th, 2012, 02:29 AM
........................

RenaSlam.
Mar 24th, 2012, 02:45 AM
Never count a Williams out. #lessonlearnedhatersbutprobablynot

pav
Mar 24th, 2012, 08:29 AM
Don't know about snatching wigs ,but all three could do with one.

duhcity
Mar 24th, 2012, 08:58 AM
Don't know about snatching wigs ,but all three could do with one.

:worship:

CanIGetAWhat
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:25 PM
This. They became irrelevant, there is no such thing as the big three anymore. I expect them all to fail in 2012 and retire soon.

Fiona is irrelevant right now and it will remain like this in 2012, leading her to her definitive retirement. Petra already trashed her in Paris, and even Azarenka trashed her

Serena losing to Stosur in a slam final NOT a good sign for 2012, but I think she'll continue to dominate her pidgeons

I also agree with the posters who says are sick of this big three( I dont even consider Kimberly "big") it's time for the new generation to step up in 2012

Honestly, I'm getting slightly tired of the part-timers.

Could be a case of ...
Three hasbeens desperately grabbing for hair
but will find in their hands only air.

The difference, this time, is that she's very old and out of form. Don't expect 2007 AO miracles where she was twice the player she is now, even when horrendously out of shape :shrug:

because Vika is a mental case and choked in the 2nd set tiebreak...young players need to grow some balls and stop bowing down te these dinosaurs for once - enough is enough me thinks

Wake up !!! it's 2012 not 2005

The big 3 is was already outdated in 2011 and will be more in 2012 :lol:

Honestly, no one even remembers or cares about the Williams sisters anymore. :shrug:

Just one point : Venus is OVA, Serena is already owned by Stosur in a Slam final so yeah she might already be done. Her only weapon is the serve, once it crumbles, she is roasted. Kim is not allowed to surpass Justine's total Slam wins, so she is not allowed either.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0u5fe0lB1qzj6gyo1_500.gif

Yeah. Until Petra drop shots her ass to death, till she stumbles on her face, like she's sliding into home plate. Whoa K. What ever you say.

The other stuff you said sounds like Fantasy as well.

You know Petra beat Venus 3 years ago, when she was 18, right?

You sure you wanna see this?

2012:
Miami R64 Venus Williams (ranked No. 134) def. No. 3 Petra Kvitova 6-4, 4-6, 6-0

debby
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:33 PM
lmao @my post :spit: Obvious trolling was obvious.

Galsen
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:38 PM
:haha:
CanIGetAWhat :worship: Read them to filth.

hBence
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:41 PM
http://i.minus.com/iWXRTP4Nfv8XL.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72o5jFJw61qzj6gyo1_250.gif

Olórin
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:42 PM
Need some help?

Sorry, mods. The first and the last time I'm doing this.

What help would that be? :confused:

Stamp Paid
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:45 PM
Yes sisters, carry. Let them never forget their blasphemes against the one, true God Lordrena.

shoryuken
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:47 PM
lmao @my post :spit: Obvious trolling was obvious.

you were right about Kim :oh:

Cajka
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:50 PM
What help would that be? :confused:

:weirdo:

My post was a bump after the match between Venus and Kvitova in Miami. What other help would it be anyway? :weirdo: I don't offer special types of help online, like some posters.

Olórin
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:56 PM
:weirdo:

My post was a bump after the match between Venus and Kvitova in Miami. What other help would it be anyway? :weirdo: I don't offer special types of help online, like some posters.


Why are you weirdoing so much. I wondered what your response meant. And you explained it...in a rather odd way. :shrug:

debby
Oct 22nd, 2012, 06:13 PM
you were right about Kim :oh:

Sadly.

I actually wanted her to win more Slams. :sobbing:

doomsday
Oct 22nd, 2012, 06:24 PM
Sadly.

I actually wanted her to win more Slams. :sobbing:

Henin sure didn't.:lol:

debby
Oct 22nd, 2012, 06:30 PM
Henin sure didn't.:lol:

Shut up :lol:

Cajka
Oct 22nd, 2012, 06:35 PM
Why are you weirdoing so much. I wondered what your response meant. And you explained it...in a rather odd way. :shrug:

Because you did this few times already, quoting my posts, then assuming that I meant something else. In fact, last time you did it, you also basically suggested that I was a retard who lacks some basic reading comprehension, but I was polite enough to explain my post because, well, maybe I worded it all poorly, this is not my 1st language. But, again, really? Sure, I explained my post this time too, but you can't blame for weirdoing that much. Don't assume, check the context, some previous pages, this was hardly my 1st post in this thread, in previous posts it was pretty clear how I felt about the posters who were predicting Petra's domination over WS and Kim.

Simugna Help
Oct 22nd, 2012, 06:40 PM
There was no regular wig snatching by Venus and Kim :awww:

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:33 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0u5fe0lB1qzj6gyo1_500.gif



2012:
Miami R64 Venus Williams (ranked No. 134) def. No. 3 Petra Kvitova 6-4, 4-6, 6-0

:spit: "need to spread rep yada yada yada"