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juki
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:40 AM
ATP runs their own challengers and now WTA will also :) There was a mention of this by Stacey at Istanbul, but now there are more details. In 2012 there will be 2 125k challengers (one in China?). Sounds like a way WTA can get the brand into new markets without being forced to actually hold a WTA level tournament there.

Article in Russian: http://www.championat.com/tennis/news-977073.html

English google translation
Stacy Head WTA Ellaster said that in the new year in the test version will be two tournaments of the series "Challenger", which in future could become regular.
"We would be happy to add even more new members, but lengthen the calendar, we can not. In addition, we can not spend too much competition in the same week. But we came up with an alternative idea. Since 2012 we are launching a new series of tournaments -" challengers. "prize to them will be $ 125 thousand, that is, they stand midway between the regular WTA competition and lower levels of tournaments under the auspices of the ITF. In the ITF, remember, the maximum prize money - $ 100 thousand so that your chance will be those who plays in the ITF, and the WTA. In addition, using the "challengers" We are expanding our territorial base, because, of course, unable to organize WTA tournament at all points of the earth. In 2012, there will be two "challenger." We want to make sure that the direction is correct, so we are limited to two test starts. Both competitions will be held in the offseason, but we have not yet decided where. I think that China and the markets in Asia and Oceania will be new tournaments with a great desire " - sends word Ellaster correspondent "Chempionat.com" Roman Semenov.

davidmario
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:48 AM
interesting;) +H i assume

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:49 AM
No China again please.

-NAJ-
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:07 AM
They should be focusing on bringing more people to watch tennis (especially during MM & premier events)

Drake1980
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:09 AM
cool!

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:40 AM
Why do they always copy the ATP? What's the point? There is no need for a third structure, some WTA MM tournaments and some 50K to 100K are already weak.

She should focus on improving her product instead of this useless nonsense.

NA-GOAT
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:47 AM
yes they are doing this and China will have one of the 2 Challengers :worship:

sammy01
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:48 AM
not sure what difference this will make, it will be the same players playing them that play the 100k tournaments and it will be another point structure to confuse people even more.

i'd rather there was a push to get the 10k's to become 15k's as that would be much more worth while to lower ranked players.

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:56 AM
Here's an easy way they could promote the sport:

Why don't ALL tournaments, including MM and ITF, have their own website (all using the same templace) with the relevant information? Like ticket price, order of play, tournament location, etc. Why do I have to browse a crappy website in Chinese just to find out where the hell the tournament is? You could argue that smaller tournaments are for locals, but maybe only locals are attending because the information is not easily available for the rest of the world? Vicious circle. Surely it wouldn't be hard to create a web template that all tournaments would be forced to use.

So Disrespectful
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:59 AM
Pointless.

(I hope they make one in Australia so the girls can overinflate their rankings even more. :oh:)

Mana
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:28 AM
This is pretty cool.

However the money should be spent upgrading $10k's to $15k's.

Mattographer
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:31 AM
Pointless.

Maybe Portoroz will come back as $125? :)

davidmario
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:12 AM
Here's an easy way they could promote the sport:

Why don't ALL tournaments, including MM and ITF, have their own website (all using the same templace) with the relevant information? Like ticket price, order of play, tournament location, etc. Why do I have to browse a crappy website in Chinese just to find out where the hell the tournament is? You could argue that smaller tournaments are for locals, but maybe only locals are attending because the information is not easily available for the rest of the world? Vicious circle. Surely it wouldn't be hard to create a web template that all tournaments would be forced to use.

itftennis.com

*Jean*
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:14 AM
useless

the jamierbelyea
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:38 AM
Honestly in this economy, any organization that can continue to expand and give their players more chances to play and win money is a win. So many women's professional sport league are dying (see LPGA tour), and to have one that has an opportunity to add on, is a huge win in my book.

LightsOut!
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:55 AM
Switzerland for the second tournament :hearts:

Timariot
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:57 AM
She should focus on improving her product instead of this useless nonsense.

This IS improving the product.

Singleniacki
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:39 AM
I like it :)

Mistress of Evil
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:48 AM
:shrug:

SkylerBlue
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:50 AM
It may be Sanya and Taipei as I know.:D
Both Sanya and Taipei's Organizer said that they would hold a 125K next year.

Wert.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:27 AM
One in Belgrade :hearts:


If not here,then dumb idea.


China :hysteric:

Mynarco
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:47 AM
Does that mean Yakimova can whore up 125k to get in top 50?

Sad day for tennis

sammy01
Nov 2nd, 2011, 09:52 AM
Honestly in this economy, any organization that can continue to expand and give their players more chances to play and win money is a win. So many women's professional sport league are dying (see LPGA tour), and to have one that has an opportunity to add on, is a huge win in my book.

but as anyone who follows the 10k and 25k tournaments or knows someone fighting in them, it is so tough money wise to justify playing them and the money is desperately needed more down the bottom end of tennis than nearer the top. when you think of the general cost of everything going up, these torunaments just don't offer up the money to even break even for the week.

let me put it like this, for winning a british tour tournament the winner gets £750, for winning a round at a 10k the player gets $196 (IIRC). most of the lower ranked brits are even more now dropping down and playing british tour tournaments way below their level to pick up an easy paycheck and keep them going.

these 125k's will only help the 75-125 ranked players, who frankley have more than enough options as to where to play and travel is less restricted by money.

Miracle Worker
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:12 AM
:weirdo:

They just wanna restore Tier4 :rolleyes: But they'll call them Challengers...

Zamboni
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:17 AM
I like the idea but this seems so halfhearted. They're gonna have 2 big challengers, during the offseason? What's the point then?
Either have at least 5 of them, and have some during the season (for example during those weeks there are no Internationals) or don't have them at all.

tanman
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:46 AM
Why do they always copy the ATP? What's the point? There is no need for a third structure, some WTA MM tournaments and some 50K to 100K are already weak.

She should focus on improving her product instead of this useless nonsense.

They copy the ATP because it has already proven it works.Anytime they can add higher level tournaments it is good for the girls. You have to play to get better and against better competion is a good. They also need to copy the men on using your best ranking to enter doubles and lose the dead weight on womens tour. A womens doubles specialist:lol:

Break My Rapture
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:11 AM
Lots of European tournamets have died, just give a couple of them these 125k status.

Not fucking China with all its empty seats and lack of atmosphere. :weirdo:

Adrian.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:19 AM
I like the idea but this seems so halfhearted. They're gonna have 2 big challengers, during the offseason? What's the point then?
Either have at least 5 of them, and have some during the season (for example during those weeks there are no Internationals) or don't have them at all.

This :worship:
Either make some big deal out of it or just let it be, it's only 25.000$ more than regular 100.000$ events, what's so special then about it?

with this additional prizemoney they could upgrade at least 10 10.000 challengers to 15.000 :shrug:

Meelis
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:23 AM
It´s only a test period next year.

Adrian.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:25 AM
Test for what? :unsure:
what will they test? I don't understand this...
No european girl will care about a 125k in China in the off-season. :shrug:
It's like with the challenger in Taipeh at the moment :shrug:
Only Asian and Pliskovas care :lol:

Adrian.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:33 AM
200.000 costs for one year? :spit: are you sure about that number? :unsure:
souuuuuuuuuuuunds very much....

Jose.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:06 PM
I like the idea and I hope it can bring back some past tournaments of the WTA like Portoroz, Zurich and others.

But like said, next year is just a test period to see what is the interest and with only 2 tournaments unfortunatly it shouldn't bring much attention. :shrug:

monmonito
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:52 PM
what is +H ...sorry

Elisse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:57 PM
Well, I like the idea of extra Challengers (whether it's WTA or ITF) but I can't really see the point in having an 'off-season' if these tournies are gonna be played then :o

And...it seems a really bad choice to put them in China, Taipei etc... :help: The ITF Challengers played in those countries usually only attract players from Asia or the Pliskovas. I think if they were played in Europe then they would be really popular and probably get a great player list (such as Poitiers etc...)

It also makes a mockery of the Tour saying players need a longer rest (with exhibitions, now Challengers...can't really see the point in having an off-season at all)

Jose.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:57 PM
Hospitaliy. Tournaments with +H provide hospitality for the players ;)

pesto
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:00 PM
Hospitality, I believe - your day-to-day costs paid as well as prize money.

But I can't see the point of this. It's only just above the biggest current Challengers. I could understand if they did something to support the lowest rung, or if this was more truly half-way between current challengers and WTA tournaments.

But they look set up to fail - off-season and in Asia? Difficult to attract players or fans, you'd have thought. Maybe just those players who've had a disappointing season and looking for some extra points to stop them sinking completely off the radar.

spiceboy
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:03 PM
One of them will be Taipei.

BTW, just noticed this

Hawkeye is in use for the first time at an #ITFProCircuit event at this weeks $100K Taipei tournament :eek:

Meelis
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:08 PM
Hawkeye is in use for the first time at an #ITFProCircuit event at this weeks $100K Taipei tournament :eek:

First time in Taipei. Definitely not the first time in ITF tournament. Despite what the tournament and ITF claim.

CrossCourt~Rally
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:22 PM
First time in Taipei. Definitely not the first time in ITF tournament. Despite what the tournament and ITF claim.

Maybe the times before were just a test period and this is the first "official" use of it in an ITF :cool:

Anyways, I think the 125k's could work if the destinations are picked correctly. How about Las Vegas right after the Phoenix 75K in November and then head to Hawaii for another 125k :lol: j/k :p

spiceboy
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:05 PM
ITF should award that status to tournaments attracting top players. They would award the winner something like 180 points :help:

Nassau, Poitiers or Nottingham should get it.

MB.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:19 PM
I like the idea but this seems so halfhearted. They're gonna have 2 big challengers, during the offseason? What's the point then?
Either have at least 5 of them, and have some during the season (for example during those weeks there are no Internationals) or don't have them at all.

They're phasing them in. There should be 8-10 during the regular season by 2016, IIRC.

njnetswill
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:58 PM
If they go with China for one of them, PLEASE pick Sanya. It's gorgeous.

http://yeschinatour.com/static/photologue/photos/cache/sanya-hainan-04_leading.jpg

It would make a nice vacation for players before they head south for the Aussie swing. :lol:

Elisse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:19 PM
Also I just thought of something else that may stop a lot of players going all the way to China just for a 125k......having to apply for yet another visa :o They already need a Chinese visa for Beijing, playing another Chinese tourney in the off-season would mean another Chinese visa (and that does put players off from participating in certain tournies)

Halifax
Nov 2nd, 2011, 03:27 PM
Test post

njnetswill
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:02 PM
Also I just thought of something else that may stop a lot of players going all the way to China just for a 125k......having to apply for yet another visa :o They already need a Chinese visa for Beijing, playing another Chinese tourney in the off-season would mean another Chinese visa (and that does put players off from participating in certain tournies)

I wonder if tennis players qualify for business multiple-entry visas that are good for 6 months :confused:

LCS
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:31 PM
Not sure if this is the way to go honestly...

Sammo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:33 PM
That's cool

Elisse
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:49 PM
I wonder if tennis players qualify for business multiple-entry visas that are good for 6 months :confused:

Not sure about the top players, but I know most of the lower ranked players (who probably would play 125k) have to apply for visas individually - for example Russian/Uzbek/Kazakh players need visas for everywhere except Russia or former Russian states. The only one I think they can get extended is the European Visa (excluding UK, needs separate visa) So I can't see many of them wanting to play 125k in China... (especially after playing European ITF's at the end of the season)

CoryAnnAvants#1
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:25 PM
I'm all for this as long as these 125K events are put in places where there aren't already WTA events or big challengers. The last thing the US or Europe needs is another challenger event. It's already easy enough for players from these continents to play every single week without traveling too far from home.

I'd love to see a few of them get put in major South American cities like Buenos Aires, Rio, and Santiago. Put a couple in African cities like Cairo or Cape Town as well. Israel and India could get one too since Shahar Peer and Sania Mirza would draw in crowds there. I wouldn't even mind seeing Australia get one if it were strategically placed the week before the season starts or the second week of the Australian Open.

The only way to make women's tennis a truly global sport is to make it accessible throughout the world and see if it takes or not, which is why I like Stacey's approach. China may not be the best move, but who could have thought Istanbul would get the crazy reception it did?

spiceboy
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:39 PM
Put a couple in African cities like Cairo or Cape Town as well.

mmmm no, thank you. We don't really need Bratchikova or Floris in the Top 100 :facepalm: