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NA-GOAT
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:13 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2012.pdf

Prize Money on Premier $618K (2011) raised 3% to $637K (2012)
Prize Money on MM remains at $220K :facepalm: how does the SEWTA expect the MM specialists to keep food on the table :shrug:

Doha as a Premier 5 for the 1st time :dance:

Dubai offering $2 million for 28 player regular Premier ... that is alot of cash for very few people ... imagine all the top players will be there, including WC to Venus :tape:

Bad Gastein the same week as Birmingham :spit: imagine all the clay court specialists hating grass to be there :hug:

San Diego draw size decreased from 56 to 28 :tape: :lol:

Montreal P5 the week after the Olympics a 48 player main draw (16 BYE) but a 64 player QD ... allows players to play Olympics to get more rest and makes the players that did not qualify Olympics play Q :p

Cincy P5 the week after Montreal a 54 player draw (10 BYE) - never seen this before ... maybe they will give a BYE to the top 8 SEEDS, Oudin and VIP Ivanovic :tape:

the MM Championships moving to Sofia :aparty:

32 Draw Premier Events w/ no BYES
Brisbane
Eastbourne

32 Draw Premier Events w/ 2 BYES
Sydney
Paris
Brussels
New Haven

32 Draw Premier Events w/ 4 BYES
Stuttgart
Stanford
San Diego
Moscow

Mynarco
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:17 PM
Can't wait to see how the court in Sofia looks like

Bad Gastein in Grass season :lol:
Can't wait to see Citi Open MD cutoff :lol: the QD should be hilarious

Budapest moved to April/May :eek:

LightWarrior
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:20 PM
Brisbane becomes a Premier...Interesting.

GeeTee
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:22 PM
Cincy P5 the week after Montreal a 54 player draw (10 BYE) - never seen this before ... maybe they will give a BYE to the top 8 SEEDS, Oudin and VIP Ivanovic :tape:
It's because Montreal is a Monday final (and Sunday SF I guess) so those in Canada SF, maybe even QF, will get a bye.

Mynarco
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:23 PM
It's because Montreal is a Monday final (and Sunday SF I guess) so those in Canada SF, maybe even QF, will get a bye.

:lol:

JJ Expres
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:24 PM
where is belgrade? :rolleyes:

NA-GOAT
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:27 PM
It's because Montreal is a Monday final (and Sunday SF I guess) so those in Canada SF, maybe even QF, will get a bye.

but how will they determine the 10 BYE :shrug:

what if the 2 players in the Montreal final are already in the top 8 SEEDS for Cincy? then it would become 8 BYE :facepalm:

NA-GOAT
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:27 PM
where is belgrade? :rolleyes:

was it supposed to start in 2012 :shrug:

Nicolás89
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:28 PM
In tune with USA's inflation. :)

JJ Expres
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:33 PM
was it supposed to start in 2012 :shrug:

i think so :unsure:

i wanted to stalk so many players and now my dreams are crushed :sad:

GeeTee
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:39 PM
but how will they determine the 10 BYE :shrug:

what if the 2 players in the Montreal final are already in the top 8 SEEDS for Cincy? then it would become 8 BYE :facepalm:
It's not that hard. All QF in Montreal + Top 2 seeds that aren't in the Montreal QF or All SF + Top 6 seeds that aren't.. :shrug:

LightWarrior
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:41 PM
What is this new rule about byes ? Some tourneys have none, others 2 or 4. Doesn't make any sense.

currie84
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:52 PM
Will you stop using the SEWTA term you moron?

NA-GOAT
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:14 PM
Will you stop using the SEWTA term you moron?

are you stupid?

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-A...endar_2012.pdf

njnetswill
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:22 PM
are you stupid?

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-A...endar_2012.pdf

NA-MUG is right on this one :worship: :lol:

LightWarrior
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:27 PM
are you stupid?

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-A...endar_2012.pdf

Well you should know that the WTA tour is not called to Sony Ericsson WTA Tour any more.

Ballbasher
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:33 PM
Can't wait to see how the court in Sofia looks like

Bad Gastein in Grass season :lol:
Can't wait to see Citi Open MD cutoff :lol: the QD should be hilarious

Budapest moved to April/May :eek:
Cincinnati during the Olympics in Bejing had a solid field, because all Tier 2 Russians and some others went there and especially the Q draw won't be affected, since most of the players are not qualified for Olympics anyways. :shrug:

NA-GOAT
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:13 PM
Well you should know that the WTA tour is not called to Sony Ericsson WTA Tour any more.

if the WTA does not want to be called the SEWTA, can't they fix their website so there are no references to it :sobbing:

TeamUla
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:18 PM
Wasn't Copenhagen supposed to be indoor clay next year?

TeamUla
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:20 PM
Bogota (clay) -> Monterrey (hard) -> Acapulco (clay)
They must be mad. :weirdo:

NA-GOAT
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:27 PM
i think so :unsure:

i wanted to stalk so many players and now my dreams are crushed :sad:

they probably could not come up w/ the money or sponsors :hug:
maybe it will start in 2013 when there are no Olympics :p

It's not that hard. All QF in Montreal + Top 2 seeds that aren't in the Montreal QF or All SF + Top 6 seeds that aren't.. :shrug:

I don't think it would be all QF in Montreal ... the SEWTA never did that except for Rome / Madrid and Tokyo / Beijing

I bet it is a typo and they meant either 64 or 56 instead of 54 :tape:

five.games.all
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:39 PM
American post-olimpics swing will be total mess.

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:42 PM
Dubai should've stayed P5. :(

guichard
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:59 PM
where do you get the info about the # Bye ?

LightWarrior
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:59 PM
if the WTA does not want to be called the SEWTA, can't they fix their website so there are no references to it :sobbing:

That's just the html. Nowhere does it say that it's SEWTA.

nevetssllim
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:02 PM
Bad Gastein during the grass-court season. :lol: You can pretty much predict two-thirds of the entry-list now. :p

The Kaz
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:58 AM
Why isn't Birmingham a premier already? :facepalm:

VeeJJ
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:28 AM
awe you sure this is right? i feel like we are missing some.

dsanders06
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:40 AM
:lol: at them scheduling Montreal to start 2 or 3 days after the Olympics finishes. This is going to end with someone like Wickmayer walking off with a Tier 1 title, isn't it? :sobbing:

archie4
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:42 AM
Bad Gastein in Grass season :lol:
I'm sure it will be back to the second or third week after Wimbledon for 2013. On the last incarnation of the 2012 calendar, I believe Bad Gastein was supposed to share the week before the Olympics with Baku. No one going to the Olympics could go to Bad Gastein, so having it the same week as Birmingham will probably make their field better (though it's still not a desirable date).

It's not that hard. All QF in Montreal + Top 2 seeds that aren't in the Montreal QF or All SF + Top 6 seeds that aren't.. :shrug:
I actually think that only the Montreal finalists will receive the "extra" two byes. All Premier 5 tournaments give out byes to the top-8 seeds, and I doubt that is changing. The finals in Montreal are on Monday, so obviously those people need automatic byes into Cincinnati. SF don't really need them, as they could still have a day off (Sunday SF in Montreal--Tuesday R1 in Cincinnati). That isn't really different than any other tournament, where finalists often have to play two days later in a different tournament.

Wasn't Copenhagen supposed to be indoor clay next year?
That's what I heard too. Their current slot in the schedule would make much more sense if the surface was indoor clay. Regardless of surface, it's a better slot for Copenhagen than they had last year. If staying indoor hard, why don't they move them to February or October?

SilverPersian
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:52 AM
Why isn't Birmingham a premier already? :facepalm:

This.

If Brisbane and Sydney can both be premiers, Eastbourne and Birmingham should be too.

Maybe Birmingham just doesn't have the money :shrug:

dsanders06
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:54 AM
Birmingham just doesn't get good fields to justify it being a Premier :shrug: It's top seed was Kanepi last year, for God's sake. Top players just don't like rushing straight from RG into another tournament.

SilverPersian
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:07 AM
Birmingham just doesn't get good fields to justify it being a Premier :shrug: It's top seed was Kanepi last year, for God's sake. Top players just don't like rushing straight from RG into another tournament.

You're right that the Birmingham field hasn't always been the best.

But there ends up being such a logjam of the best players wanting to participate at Eastbourne (and, in the past, Sydney), that a lot of good players end up with very little pre-Wimbeldon court time. Making Birmingham a premier might encourage a better spread of the top players.

cowsonice
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:14 AM
Am I the only one who likes Birmingham as an International?? To me, Birmingham was always the little International Tourney that could. It solidified the legitimacy of International tournaments (as opposed to old system)

twinbridge
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:53 AM
Only 5 Premier 700 tournaments, and the top 10 players must choose 2 of them as their 2 Commitment Tournaments:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000 [may be promoted to Premier 5 in 2013, rotating with Doha]
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Bank of the West Classic - Stanford
Mercury Insurance Open - Carlsbad

According to Meelis, Moscow is not a Premier 700...

It is quite strange for Dubai:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000

It seems that Dubai is no longer a Premier 5, but it is still a Premier 700, which could be counted as one of the choices of Commitment Tournaments for top 10 players (with a prize money of $2,000,000, much higher than *regular* premier 700 tournaments), and it will rotate back to Premier 5 in 2013 (exchanging with Doha).

*Jean*
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:59 AM
Why isn't Birmingham a premier already? :facepalm:

THIS.
The problem about that period of the calendar is just GRASS, a surface which is so underrated and hated by most of the players. But the club is absolutely amazing and they've already have many big names winning there.

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:07 AM
Birmingham just doesn't get good fields to justify it being a Premier :shrug: It's top seed was Kanepi last year, for God's sake. Top players just don't like rushing straight from RG into another tournament.

In a perfect world they'd add an extra 2 weeks between RG and Wimbledon and throw in a premier 5 event and a couple of other extra tournaments as well. The current "grass season" is a joke. While they're at it they can add a few weeks to the clay season, so we get some more variety rather than tournament after tournament on hardcourts. Not going to happen of course, but no law against dreaming. ;)

mckyle.
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:13 AM
The calender seems so empty after the US Open. I guess because next summer will be busier than usual.

safinfans629
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:22 AM
maybe the Montreal and Cincy EL will not as strong as before

C. Drone
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:08 PM
Only 6 Premier 700 tournaments, and the top 10 players must choose 2 of them as their 2 Commitment Tournaments:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000 [may be promoted to Premier 5 in 2013, rotating with Doha]
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Kremlin Cup - Moscow; [This tournament is not a Premier 700 tournament in 2011, even though it had a prize money of 721,000, not sure about the status in 2012]

It is quite strange for Dubai:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000

It seems that Dubai is no longer a Premier 5, but it is still a Premier 700, which could be counted as one of the choices of Commitment Tournaments for top 10 players (with a prize money of $2,000,000, much higher than *regular* premier 700 tournaments), and it will rotate back to Premier 5 in 2013 (exchanging with Doha).

they did same before roadmap i think. It was Tier-II tournament with prize money almost as high as Tier-I. Its just their thing, "to spend money", i guess.

and by ranking point, Moscow is a Premier-700 tournament. :shrug:


Cincinnati must be: top8 seeds BYE + 2 finalsts of Montreal BYE

Meelis
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:21 PM
and by ranking point, Moscow is a Premier-700 tournament. :shrug:


All premiers have the same ranking points. But only premier 700 have guaranteed 2 of top 6 players.

NA-GOAT
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:44 PM
Only 6 Premier 700 tournaments, and the top 10 players must choose 2 of them as their 2 Commitment Tournaments:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000 [may be promoted to Premier 5 in 2013, rotating with Doha]
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Kremlin Cup - Moscow; [This tournament is not a Premier 700 tournament in 2011, even though it had a prize money of 721,000, not sure about the status in 2012]

It is quite strange for Dubai:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000

It seems that Dubai is no longer a Premier 5, but it is still a Premier 700, which could be counted as one of the choices of Commitment Tournaments for top 10 players (with a prize money of $2,000,000, much higher than *regular* premier 700 tournaments), and it will rotate back to Premier 5 in 2013 (exchanging with Doha).

I think Stanford and San Diego count too :bigwave:

this year Clijsters chose San Diego as one of her two Commitment Tournament and got a 0 for not playing it :oh:

Meelis
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:46 PM
Every premier was a premier 700 this year. Except the ones week before GS/YEC and Paris.

NA-GOAT
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:53 PM
Every premier was a premier 700 this year. Except the ones week before GS/YEC and Paris.

interesting :p

the ones before GS / YEC can have unlimited top players enter right :confused:

and the Premier 700 must have 2 of the top 6

how many top player can enter the other Premier 600 (Brisbane, Paris, Stanford, San Diego) ???

NA-GOAT
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:54 PM
Only 6 Premier 700 tournaments, and the top 10 players must choose 2 of them as their 2 Commitment Tournaments:

Dubai Duty Free Championships - Dubai ^ $2,000,000 [may be promoted to Premier 5 in 2013, rotating with Doha]
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Family Circle Cup - Charleston;
Porsche Tennis Grand Prix - Stuttgart;
Kremlin Cup - Moscow; [This tournament is not a Premier 700 tournament in 2011, even though it had a prize money of 721,000, not sure about the status in 2012]



you count Stuttgart twice :bigwave:

Juju Nostalgique
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:34 PM
where is belgrade? :rolleyes:

In Serbia IIRC. :scratch: :spit:

rhz
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:14 PM
as a fan i don't like the schedule. it's too short. and serena, venus and kim are still not playing full time, so why shorten the calendar? Grrrrrr. the rule of having x amount of player are also killing the MM tournaments. I DON'T LIKE

LuvSerena?MeToo
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:22 PM
Bring back Filderstadt

dany.p
Nov 1st, 2011, 11:56 PM
uhhm, considering how much the top players already get paid, any increase in prize money is generous. Even if it's "only" 3 %

Bronx19
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:00 AM
They dont deserve any pay increase. Should be a cut.

NA-GOAT
Nov 2nd, 2011, 04:22 AM
They dont deserve any pay increase. Should be a cut.

for the quality of tennis :oh:

Meelis
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:01 AM
Dubai offering $2 million for 28 player regular Premier ... that is alot of cash for very few people ...

They are simply counting at least 5 of top 6 players to play and increase their prize money in advance.

for the quality of tennis :oh:

Nah. It´s thanks to PSI (tournaments primary sources of income) growth. WTA has a deal with premier tournaments until the end of 2013, that they will adjust their prize money formula according to the PSI.

QuietPlease
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:24 AM
Wasn't Copenhagen supposed to be indoor clay next year?

Yes.
News in Danish:



http://e-bokssonyericssonopen.dk/nyheder/nyheder/2011/6/6/fra-2012-spilles-der-paa-grus-i-farum-arena-.aspx

nevetssllim
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:33 AM
Why isn't Birmingham a premier already? :facepalm:

It is a cool event but it probably doesn't have the stadia to be classed as a Premier. It's a shame though because Sharapova, Li Na and Bartoli all like this tournament and only one of them will get a chance to play next year (or maybe two if Li Na continues to slump :p)

twinbridge
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:48 PM
you count Stuttgart twice :bigwave:

Copy and Paste Err.

Fixed with

Bank of the West Classic - Stanford
Mercury Insurance Open - Carlsbad

According to Meelis, Moscow is not a Premier 700, so that there are only 5 Premier 700 tournaments...

But How bout this:

Brisbane International - Brisbane only with $655,000 Prize; and Moscow does have a price of $740,000 Got a bit confused...

QuietPlease
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:52 PM
I wonder how the grass at SW19 is gonna look during the Olympics. It hasn't got a chance to recover from Wimbledon 2012...

twinbridge
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:56 PM
Every premier was a premier 700 this year. Except the ones week before GS/YEC and Paris.

What about this tournament:

Brisbane International - Brisbane ^ $655,000

Is it a Premier 700? Even though it is not one week before AO (2 weeks before), the prize seems not qualified for a Premier 700?

And this tournament:
Kremlin Cup - Moscow $740,000

According to you definition, it is not a Premier 700 since it is a tournament which is in one week before GS/YEC

NA-GOAT
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:35 PM
I don't think Brisbane is Premier 700 :bigwave:

anyway it already has 2 top 6 player commit (Sharapova, Stosur) ... if Azarenka wants to play, they have to raise prize money :unsure:

C. Drone
Nov 2nd, 2011, 05:44 PM
I wonder how the grass at SW19 is gonna look during the Olympics. It hasn't got a chance to recover from Wimbledon 2012...

similar to a sandbox around the baseline, just like any wimbledon 2nd week. Except this time there will be no 1st week.

dsanders06
Nov 2nd, 2011, 06:28 PM
I wonder how the grass at SW19 is gonna look during the Olympics. It hasn't got a chance to recover from Wimbledon 2012...

3 weeks is quite a long time for the grass to recover in British climate :shrug:

NA-GOAT
Nov 9th, 2011, 03:44 PM
updated version as of November 8 :bigwave:

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2012.pdf

2 "Performance BYES" in Cincy :oh:

NA-GOAT
Nov 9th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Where do you see the " byes" ?

it does not say it specifically :p

but you know that a tournament w/ 96 draw is 128 with 32 BYES, 56 draw is 64 with 8 BYES, 30 draw is 32 with 2 BYES and 28 draw is 32 with 4 BYES :p

guichard
Nov 9th, 2011, 04:13 PM
it does not say it specifically :p

but you know that a tournament w/ 96 draw is 128 with 32 BYES, 56 draw is 64 with 8 BYES, 30 draw is 32 with 2 BYES and 28 draw is 32 with 4 BYES :p
thanks just saw it at the bottom of the pdf ."2 performance byes in Cincinnati and 4 in Beijing"

goldenlox
Nov 9th, 2011, 04:16 PM
They have to start raising prizemoney.
I was comparing what #100, 200, 300 earned in 2011 compared to 2008, and its almost the same.
If the WTA is thriving as much as Allaster says, they should start making sure players ranked outside the top 50 can pay their bills

Jorn
Nov 9th, 2011, 06:03 PM
In Denmark Caro's team and agentsy supports the lower rankt players and Juniors...

But has they found move many tons clay indoors in Farum, was not worth the work... or Caro wants HC?

NA-GOAT
Nov 29th, 2011, 03:07 PM
SEWTA released another new version as of November 28 ... but no major changes :shrug:

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar.pdf