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Setsuna.
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:51 AM
It's obivous that there are very few players has what it takes to beat in-form Petra. I wonder if Petra really has a bad match up on the tour?! JJ was very close from beating her indoors and Petra was in good form. Petkovic did beat her twice in a raw this year but Petra was in very bad form back then. Aga played a close match against a good Petra but probably that was the best she can do out there (the same can be said about Vika).

The question is, what kind of player could trouble Petra a lot in the future even if she in great/good form?

Petra even when playing very well, she has some periods in some matches when she goes a little bit off. Not many seems to take full advantage of it yet.

Petkorazzi
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:56 AM
I think Azarenka's a bad opponent for her because she can return her serves so well. If Azarenka's serve was a little stronger, she'd definitely be beating Kvitova.

Li also might be tricky for her, because she actually loves playing the power hitters cause she's great at using their power and redirecting the ball.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:01 AM
I'm very interested to see how she copes with the old-guard..Serena/Kim.

it's obvious that she doesn't much to fear from generation suck.

Sam L
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:05 AM
I'm very interested to see how she copes with the old-guard..Serena/Kim.

it's obvious that she doesn't much to fear from generation suck.

If those are going to be the closest rivals to Petra, she is going to be another Steffi Graf in the late 80s (i.e. having women many, many years older than you as your closest rivals).

Setsuna.
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:12 AM
Dementieva probably would be a bad match up for Petra. Great ROS, movement, consistency and she doesn't lack power like Vika and Aga. Petra & Lena D. only played once and Lena won 7-6 6-2 in Paris.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:15 AM
Dementieva probably would be a bad match up for Petra. Great ROS, movement, consistency and she doesn't lack power like Vika and Aga. Petra & Lena D. only played once and Lena won 7-6 6-2 in Paris.

Indeed...although Elena D's abusing of the cc backhand in rallies, would leave her open to that deadly forehand dtl. Would be an interesting match-up.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:16 AM
If those are going to be the closest rivals to Petra, she is going to be another Steffi Graf in the late 80s (i.e. having women many, many years older than you as your closest rivals).

Difference though is that this time it's just LACK of talent that's the cause.

Six Feet Under
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:17 AM
Marion is 2-0 against her :oh:

:sobbing:

Setsuna.
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:19 AM
Petkovic could trouble Petra in the next few years. Andrea did beat her on all surfaces.

madmax
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:22 AM
any consistent power grinder will trouble her in the future. The likes of Petkovic, Dementieva and etc are the nightmare matchups for Kvitty

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:45 AM
Interesting...that Petkovic owns Petra like that.

FlaviaFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:49 AM
Petkovic ;)
And Morita :oh:

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:52 AM
I think it's too early to say. In any prominent player's career there is bound to be a kind of developmental arch in which other players adjust to what she is doing, she adjusts to that, others adjust again, and so on until an equilibruium is reached. She's young and really just at the start of that process, so it's too early to tell how dominant she can be. In addition she obviously has a lot to work on in terms of her focus on court, and that muddies the view a lot in terms of what troubles her and what doesn't. For example I really can't see Petko being her biggest problem in the longer term, I think she just fluffed those matches this year.

Setsuna.
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:00 AM
Interesting...that Petkovic owns Petra like that.

The H2H between them is 4-3 for Andrea. Wouldn't really say about that ownage. :lol:
Andrea clearly isn't as good as Lena D. yet but she is still a good consistent power grinder with a decent/good serve. Both have the same approach in the game. That kind of player could trouble Petra in the future IMO.

serendipitynow
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:03 AM
i like to see her go against Petkovic again..

Setsuna.
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:04 AM
I think it's too early to say. In any prominent player's career there is bound to be a kind of developmental arch in which other players adjust to what she is doing, she adjusts to that, others adjust again, and so on until an equilibruium is reached. She's young and really just at the start of that process, so it's too early to tell how dominant she can be. In addition she obviously has a lot to work on in terms of her focus on court, and that muddies the view a lot in terms of what troubles her and what doesn't. For example I really can't see Petko being her biggest problem in the longer term, I think she just fluffed those matches this year.

Yeah, i agree that it's too early to tell. Good post.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:08 AM
The H2H between them is 4-3 for Andrea. Wouldn't really say about that ownage. :lol:
Andrea clearly isn't as good as Lena D. yet but she is still a good consistent power grinder with a decent/good serve. Both have the same approach in the game. That kind of player could trouble Petra in the future IMO.

Oh ok..4-3, pretty close.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:08 AM
Yeah, i agree that it's too early to tell. Good post.

I still think it's interesting to reflect on this :). She seems to be the first real prospect for major stardom that we've seen in years. I'm pretty sure she's going to be big, the only question is how big.

Joelina
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:11 AM
Sharapova with serve

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:16 AM
Sharapova with serve

4 years waiting for that, so I guess it's time to say: it ain't happening..

pav
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:00 AM
Dementieva probably would be a bad match up for Petra. Great ROS, movement, consistency and she doesn't lack power like Vika and Aga. Petra & Lena D. only played once and Lena won 7-6 6-2 in Paris.
This mythical post career building up of Dement needs to stop, she had enough trouble handling quite a few players without bringing Petra into it. We are always reading now how well she would have done at this or that tournament if only she had kept playing,let her rest in peace.
quote=bandabou Difference though is that this time it's just LACK of talent that's the cause
It was a lack of talent back then too,until Monica stepped up!
Petra, as many have stated, is just about unplayable when at her best, but as we see with many players mental weaknesses and concentration lapses are just as damaging as lack of talent
but she sure has the raw material.

Fighterpova
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:01 AM
Serena :)
Serena beat her 6-2 6-1 at the AO and 7-6 6-2 at Wimby last year :cheer:

Beat
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:03 AM
Sharapova with serve

i think the OP meant real players, not made-up ones.

madmax
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:07 AM
i think the OP meant real players, not made-up ones.

you mean to tell us that Pova with serve is an imaginary player?:confused:

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:07 AM
i think the OP meant real players, not made-up ones.

:lol:

Shvedbarilescu
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:38 AM
I think it is more about surfaces with Petra than matchups. On grass and indoors Petra I don't think she has any contemporary player that she would fear. On the other hand, on an outdoor hardcourt probably two thirds of the top 50 would be a bad matchup for her.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:55 AM
This mythical post career building up of Dement needs to stop, she had enough trouble handling quite a few players without bringing Petra into it. We are always reading now how well she would have done at this or that tournament if only she had kept playing,let her rest in peace.
quote=bandabou Difference though is that this time it's just LACK of talent that's the cause
It was a lack of talent back then too,until Monica stepped up!
Petra, as many have stated, is just about unplayable when at her best, but as we see with many players mental weaknesses and concentration lapses are just as damaging as lack of talent
but she sure has the raw material.

Mentally she has rooms to go, but this has been the case for every young champ. She's already getting it done and that's only a good thing.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:01 AM
I think it is more about surfaces with Petra than matchups. On grass and indoors Petra I don't think she has any contemporary player that she would fear. On the other hand, on an outdoor hardcourt probably two thirds of the top 50 would be a bad matchup for her.

Good points..on grass right now it's already a matter of controling her nerves, more than anything.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:02 AM
you mean to tell us that Pova with serve is an imaginary player?:confused:

:spit: ;)

BepaMaria
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:10 AM
Arvidsson. Petra has negative h2h against her.

MarkNL
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:18 AM
Andrea :)

And Dulgheru :oh:

thegreendestiny
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:54 AM
If only Wozniacki can be as good as Serena but she's not :shrug:

Noctis
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:59 AM
Petkovic ;)
And Morita :oh:

Didn't take long did it,Hian

Noctis
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:02 PM
Players that hit the ball.deep

Soliloque
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:05 PM
Kim in good form is a nightmare for her. Once Kim is in the match, her defense put Petra in error mode just like in the 2010 USO. Kvitova lead 3/0 firing winners, Kim begins to play and win 12 games in a row.

Less efficient indoors but Kim barely plays indoor these days anyway.

matthias
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:13 PM
Petkovic was just lucky to face her twice on US-Hardcourt

US-Hardcourt is the real trouble-maker for Petra

Mattographer
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:50 PM
i think the OP meant real players, not made-up ones.
Oprah is bad match up for Kvitova!

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Oprahs-Bees.gif

TimeyWimey
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:02 PM
i think the OP meant real players, not made-up ones.

:lol::lol::lol:

Dexter
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:05 PM
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/Dexteris/h2h.png

:oh:

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:06 PM
any player who has enough pop off the ground and/or can get her out of the middle of the court...

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:42 PM
Her weaknesses are just like with all tall players..like Davenport/ Pierce/Sharapova...get them to move. Generation suck doesn't have much players who have the ability to actually get Kvitova to move.

and of course you need to have the ability to absorb all that pace.

Scola
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:43 PM
Kirilenko.

Two matches = two utter beatdowns.

Watch Fed Cup final.:wavey:

John.
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:44 PM
Oprah is bad match up for Kvitova!

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Oprahs-Bees.gif

:lol: What is going on with Oprah there?

MK Ultra
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:46 PM
Kirilenko.

Two matches = two utter beatdowns.

Watch Fed Cup final.:wavey:

Lol, totally.:lol: Petra better watch out:devil:

Corswandt
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:05 PM
Players who can neutralise her return game and with very solid ground games who can play controlled aggression and force her to rally: Kimberley, Na Li, Zvonareva.

Apoleb
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:17 PM
Players who can neutralise her return game and with very solid ground games who can play controlled aggression and force her to rally: Kimberley, Na Li, Zvonareva.

Yeah, she can't really beat those three unless she's in GOAT mode, keeping the points extremely short, and basically going for everything right from the bat. I reluctantly add Petkovic to those three, but she's not as good as them.

Next in line come in the retrievers with no hint of aggressive game of their own and inability to make use of Kvitova's puff rally balls i.e the pushers. Radwanska, PID, Wozniacki in that order. Radwanska has the hands to get the ball back in play many times, and I think she's the worst match up of those 3, and also she has a head. Jankovic is there too but she's now completely irrelevant.

Finally, come in the "ball strikers". Basically, they are mediocre versions of herself, and all she needs is one big shot against them and they are toast. Doesn't really have to be that good even, because it's almost impossible to fight fire with fire with her. Dare I put in Crapova in there? Certainly on quick surfaces. The only one I give a chance is Davenport, because she the amazing hands to turn in a flat, deep bomb into an angled flat strike of herself. Too bad we'll never know how that goes along.

I have to say I'm very intrigued in how DisgustingRena matches up with her. Rena can pull off angles easily, but not on deep, quick flat shots coming her way.

romismak
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:33 PM
Kvitova will have problems in future and already had in past with great defenders. Players with great movements and speed arround the court can retrieve every ball back and make Petra frustrated and when she starts to make errors- she will do a lot of them. So great deffense-movement is key i think on slower surfaces. Petra with her style of game has always the match on her racquet, but great consistent deffense can be the way on slower HC and clay. Then players with good, decent serve and agressive game. Kvitova is most the time the one who is attacking, so when someone can push her behind baseline with her own agressivnes has a chance. Also her return is great - especially she can hit many return winners on 2nd serve, so really serve is key to play against Petra. When we look on players which of them are either good servers-agressive or great deffenders-movers i can´t see there many of them. How i said mostly it is on Petra´s racquet, so when she has a good day 99% of the matches she is going to win on grass, indoor. Also on clay can be good and outdoor HC is her worst surface and competition there is biggest.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:35 PM
Disgustingrena?! :spit: Mennnn, these posters just...:o Isn't this guy a Hingis-fan?! Talk about disgusting. :lol:

If the serve's on, Serena will be fine. Kvitova can be tricky, because Serena doesn't like playing lefties.

Novichok
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:39 PM
Disgustingrena?! :spit: Mennnn, these posters just...:o Isn't this guy a Hingis-fan?! Talk about disgusting. :lol:

If the serve's on, Serena will be fine. Kvitova can be tricky, because Serena doesn't like playing lefties.

Apoleb is a Hingis hater. He's a Henin fan though.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:54 PM
Apoleb is a Hingis hater. He's a Henin fan though.

Haa..explains a lot. :lol:

Sammo
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:55 PM
Serena?

pla
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:12 PM
Kvitova will have problems in future and already had in past with great defenders. Players with great movements and speed arround the court can retrieve every ball back and make Petra frustrated and when she starts to make errors- she will do a lot of them. So great deffense-movement is key i think on slower surfaces. Petra with her style of game has always the match on her racquet, but great consistent deffense can be the way on slower HC and clay. Then players with good, decent serve and agressive game. Kvitova is most the time the one who is attacking, so when someone can push her behind baseline with her own agressivnes has a chance. Also her return is great - especially she can hit many return winners on 2nd serve, so really serve is key to play against Petra. When we look on players which of them are either good servers-agressive or great deffenders-movers i can´t see there many of them. How i said mostly it is on Petra´s racquet, so when she has a good day 99% of the matches she is going to win on grass, indoor. Also on clay can be good and outdoor HC is her worst surface and competition there is biggest.

Pure offensive players are not more powerful than her, and rarely have enough of control to match her bombs.

I don't think only fantastic defense can trouble Petra, if she's not in error record breaking mode. Even these past couple of months we saw she is adjusting to a good defender during a match: takes off a bit of pace, tries to place the ball better, rushes to the net to cut off time from the defender. A player needs a good defense, but also enough power to handle the bullets AND the ability to turn defense into offense. "Only" this :oh:

Apoleb
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:25 PM
Pure offensive players are not more powerful than her, and rarely have enough of control to match her bombs.

I don't think only fantastic defense can trouble Petra, if she's not in error record breaking mode. Even these past couple of months we saw she is adjusting to a good defender during a match: takes off a bit of pace, tries to place the ball better, rushes to the net to cut off time from the defender. A player needs a good defense, but also enough power to handle the bullets AND the ability to turn defense into offense. "Only" this :oh:

This post deserves a good old "this".

Valanga
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:26 PM
Zvonareva, and a Peak Jankovic
probably Petkovic as well

Petra seems kinda frustrated playing with players who are able to give the balls back to her side of court again again and again

NeKo
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:31 PM
I like to see her go against Dulgheru again....:)

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:22 AM
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/Dexteris/h2h.png

:oh:

Unfortunately for this poll; their last match was 2 yrs ago.

I'm sure if they played now it would be verrrrrrrry interesting. :eek: :confused: :eek: Lol.

It's funny, Petra is growing so fast, that she's beating players/evening out any losing series she had against any players, this year (Masha, Zvonareva, Wozniaki, Petko before NA hardcourt series, etc.). Most of these people beat her, on her way up. Incidentally, Petra had killed Petkovic in Brisbane earlier this year, in the Brisbane final.

As far as the surfaces brought up extra, I would not be surprised in the least if she won the Australian, French and Wimbledon again this year. I really wouldn't (if she comes in well prepared). She made the quarter finals and lost to Zvonareva this January (who she beat convincingly recently.

PS: Petra was 9-1 on clay this year, with the Madrid title, 4th round French open (where she was leading and dominating Li, before going on a mental walk about, when Li put up a little resistance). I don't think that happens this year.

Even at this young stage of her career, they're very few players that have a lopsided career record against Petra (maybe someone from yrs ago), and if they do, you know if they played today, they would get mowed down.

aloeball
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:29 AM
Serena, enough said. Petra is too inconsistent at times and you can see why she lost to Serena in her past meetings. Other than that, I have trouble finding another suitable opponent.

Azarenka certain puts the balls deep and can counterpunch really well. And stosur has heaps of topspin that causes Kvitova a lot of trouble but not enough trouble to make her lose.

Itll be interesting to see how next year pans out :)

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:46 AM
At this stage, I think it will be very difficult to find match problems with Kvitova, if she keeps the strategy she employed in Istanbul and to a lesser degree Wimby.

I've watched Petra this NA hardcourt season, when she was so out of form she couldn't hit the ball in the court, and I always said to myself "go the net Petra", and you'll work yourself in the game, cause you can cut off/shorten the points (and not hit the ball out of bounds from the baseline the next play)". This strategy works when she's having a bad day (or no form), or when she's playing a defender or grinder. Doesn't matter.

She generally does it, when she felt like it/presents itself, or specifically on grass, or indoors.

But I have a feeling (especially from what I hear from her and her coach), that she's going to be much more active going to the net (and employing more junk) in the future on all surfaces. And if so, the retrievers, or anyone for that matter, are not going to trouble Petra, cause she'll always be able to hit it hard enough and deep enough to get a floater that she can put away at the net. I think Petra's realizing, you can go to the net (or even junk), on the regular on any surface, not just grass or indoors.

That's how she beat the slew of junkball artist, retrievers she faced recently (Jankovic, Woz, Radwanska, Zvonareva). She cut off the points, and put the ball away. Historically, she would try to outplay these players from the baseline or the sideline (angles), with varying, though positive results. But on a off, or low patience day, she would lose employing that strategy. She's learning.

Secondly, if she more actively employs her slices, drop shots, lobs, drop volleys, etc (along with hitting with more topspin), that's only going to negate the opposition even more, as she kicks out a power blast, when they least expect it. Most of the top women, can't play well against that type of player in the first place, and Petra has all the shots. Junk doesn't bother Petra, as her record against RAdwanksa, and how easily she smoked Roberta Vinci at Wimbledon testify.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:50 AM
None. If she plays her best, she can't be beat, simple as that. Every match is on her racquet. If she reigns in her aggression and employs her variety, there is not one player on the tour who can match her. That includes Clijsters and Serena.

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:52 AM
Her weaknesses are just like with all tall players..like Davenport/ Pierce/Sharapova...get them to move. Generation suck doesn't have much players who have the ability to actually get Kvitova to move.

and of course you need to have the ability to absorb all that pace.

Getting Kvitova to move, is not necessarily a solution, as he hits very well on the run, and is much more agile, well conditioned and nimble than most people realize, and give her credit for. Take my word for it.

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:53 AM
None. If she plays her best, she can't be beat, simple as that. Every match is on her racquet. If she reigns in her aggression and employs her variety, there is not one player on the tour who can match her. That includes Clijsters and Serena.

Shit!

You said what I said in one paragraph!! :) :confused: :)

effedcamel
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:24 AM
None. If she plays her best, she can't be beat, simple as that. Every match is on her racquet. If she reigns in her aggression and employs her variety, there is not one player on the tour who can match her. That includes Clijsters and Serena.

I feel like she could be one of those players where this statement gets made for the rest of her career unless she somehow finds more consistency.

Getting Kvitova to move, is not necessarily a solution, as he hits very well on the run, and is much more agile, well conditioned and nimble than most people realize, and give her credit for. Take my word for it.

lol :lol:

Stonerpova
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:24 AM
Outdoor hard courts seem to be a bad match-up :shrugs:

Novichok
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:27 AM
None. If she plays her best, she can't be beat, simple as that. Every match is on her racquet. If she reigns in her aggression and employs her variety, there is not one player on the tour who can match her. That includes Clijsters and Serena.

So now peak Petra is better than peak Clijsters and peak Serena.:lol::lol::lol:

rafaelkafka
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:28 AM
Playing like the first 5 games against Vika in YEC she can bagel any player.

ExtremespeedX
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:34 AM
So now peak Petra is better than peak Clijsters and peak Serena.:lol::lol::lol:

She is better than peak Clijsters already because of monstrous groundies and service power. I'd say she's not on peak Serena level yet, but she's still only 21, not in her prime. She's been getting better and better by leaps and bounds and already twice the player physically, technically and mentally since 2010. I believe in 1-2 years, Petra's level will be godlike, better than peak Serena, possibly better even than her own idol Navratilova. She's a no-nonsense player who's willing to improve rather than stagnate, she wants the #1 rank and more slams/big titles. She's got the talent and will. Who's gonna stop her from dominating in the next few years? Lisicki, Pavlychenkova, Wozniacki and Azarenka? :lol:

Melange
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:39 AM
Roger Federer

VeeJJ
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:22 AM
In form Jaja, Petra has no chance.

dybbuk
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:28 AM
I feel like she could be one of those players where this statement gets made for the rest of her career unless she somehow finds more consistency.



lol :lol:

Basically. Kvitova is the nu-Pierce in that her absolute best, no matter how elusive, will be considered the highest level of tennis that can ever be played by many tennis fans.

Saying Petra's best is better than Serena's best is such a laughably premature statement I'm almost baffled by it. Petra has won one Slam, Serena has how many. They've never played each other when they were both near their bests. How can anyone make such a statement with such surety.

Edit: omg now I see that same poster said Petra will be greater than Nav too. I've realized this person is a troll dick-riding Petra like there's no tomorrow. Lol at me for taking them seriously.

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:32 AM
In form Jaja, Petra has no chance.

You mean Slamless Jaja?

Whoa K. :( ;) :(

shap_half
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:37 AM
How is this a real conversation?? Am I the only person who isn't totally in love with this bitch? She's not that good. She can't even pump herself up like a real person. She has to bark like a mangy dog who would eat its own vagina if there was some salad dressing on it.

Knizzle
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:48 AM
Wait till next year and you will see. :)

Novichok
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:50 AM
Serena is just an obese steroid addicted semi-retired cheater.

Serena can't beat Stosur in her best, imagine Petra doing her best.

How old are you?

EDIT: 33:tape::help:

égalité
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:55 AM
I'd like to see Henin vs. Kvitova :oh:

But I think Petkovic. Basically anyone who plays as far from Wickmayer's style as possible :spit:

cowsonice
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:00 AM
I would like to see Kvitova vs Niculescu :oh:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:01 AM
I'd like to see Henin vs. Kvitova :oh:


Kvitova would be precisely the opponent that would be a bad match up for Henin on fast surfaces like indoor hard or grass - strong serve, hard and flat groundies, ability to go to the net. She'd feast on Henin's <50% first serve as well. Of course, if you're talking slow red clay or slow/high bouncing HC, Henin would probably grind her down with defensive skills.

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:24 AM
None. If she plays her best, she can't be beat, simple as that. Every match is on her racquet. If she reigns in her aggression and employs her variety, there is not one player on the tour who can match her. That includes Clijsters and Serena.

Tad bit ambitious, aren't we?! Petra's good...but remember Serena just coming off her lay-off was already smoking Caro 2 and 4, whereas Caro still was giving Petra a good match last week.

Stonerpova
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:31 AM
Tad bit ambitious, aren't we?! Petra's good...but remember Serena just coming off her lay-off was already smoking Caro 2 and 4, whereas Caro still was giving Petra a good match last week.

Didn't Petra beat Woz 4 and 2? :lol:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:40 AM
Tad bit ambitious, aren't we?! Petra's good...but remember Serena just coming off her lay-off was already smoking Caro 2 and 4, whereas Caro still was giving Petra a good match last week.

Petra beat Caro 4 and 2 in Istanbul, but the score was nowhere near as close as it looked. Caro had ZERO break points the entire match and got thrashed in under 90 minutes, it was sublime :worship:

As for Serena, yeah, she's good, but face facts, my friend. She's old and in the twilight of her career. It's time to embrace the new, the exciting and the most promising player of this generation. There is no need to feel sadness, it will be like Sampras handing over the torch to Federer years ago. :yeah: Petra is the new force on the tour who will finally bring back the exciting, attacking tennis back into WTA :worship:

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:11 AM
Petra beat Caro 4 and 2 in Istanbul, but the score was nowhere near as close as it looked. Caro had ZERO break points the entire match and got thrashed in under 90 minutes, it was sublime :worship:

As for Serena, yeah, she's good, but face facts, my friend. She's old and in the twilight of her career. It's time to embrace the new, the exciting and the most promising player of this generation. There is no need to feel sadness, it will be like Sampras handing over the torch to Federer years ago. :yeah: Petra is the new force on the tour who will finally bring back the exciting, attacking tennis back into WTA :worship:

:sobbing: Serenaa..noooh, don't go! :lol:

You're right. The time's getting there and Petra's a worthy successor.

aloeball
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:55 AM
Why are people saying not Serena? Petra hasn't even beaten Serena yet - she can beat Kimmy even before her peak.

Have to at least wait for Petra to win against Serena to dismiss her as a bad match-up.

dragonflies
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:57 AM
The Kvity's hype is just so unbearable and so silly nowadays. She just won one single slam in a year with a depleted field in weak era, then she is already better than all the greats of the game? Lay off your pipes please, or there won't be enough holes next years for you guys to hide.



Let's wait until next year to see how is she going to fare, before spewing ridiculous stuffs like Petra is going to win 3 slams next year. Why not just go for a Golden Slam too while you are at it? . Bet your house on that, then you can be sure you are going to be a homeless. Oh, just assuming that you might have a house of your own.



Up to this point, she is equally with Sharapova in 2004 (despite being 4 years older), or Kuzy in the same year. Kuzy was very impressive in the later part of 2004 too.

Renalicious
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:01 AM
I think Serena is an average match up for Petra :shrug: I'm sure one day Petra can beat Serena. She came close to taking a set off her at Wimbledon.

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:14 AM
Close doesn't mean thing..

BikezAreForever!
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:20 AM
Bad matchup for PK ? Thats obvious, Queen Serena. Mind you she is a bad matchup for anyone on tour right now (maybe except Venus).

madmax
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:25 AM
it's really amazing how Kvitty this year is so similar to Sharapova in 04 - both winning the same biggest titles and both playing fearless hard hitting game from the baseline...yet Kvitova, who is 4 years older at this point, is hailed to be some unbeatable force already, despite all of her inconsistency issues. I think we had enough of such examples already and overhyping Petra might not be the best idea at the moment...just sayin'

The 2nd Law
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:59 AM
it's really amazing how Kvitty this year is so similar to Sharapova in 04 - both winning the same biggest titles and both playing fearless hard hitting game from the baseline...yet Kvitova, who is 4 years older at this point, is hailed to be some unbeatable force already, despite all of her inconsistency issues. I think we had enough of such examples already and overhyping Petra might not be the best idea at the moment...just sayin'

Let's be fair, Sharpie had much tougher competition. Who's gonna beat GOATra when Serena, Kim and Vee go?

TheHangover
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:06 AM
serena obviously

Joelina
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:32 AM
i am a big fan of Petra but i don´t think her peak form will be as good as Serena´s, Kim or Venus. i wanted to see her against Henin also and against Vaidisova too. :hearts:

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:40 AM
it's really amazing how Kvitty this year is so similar to Sharapova in 04 - both winning the same biggest titles and both playing fearless hard hitting game from the baseline...yet Kvitova, who is 4 years older at this point, is hailed to be some unbeatable force already, despite all of her inconsistency issues. I think we had enough of such examples already and overhyping Petra might not be the best idea at the moment...just sayin'

Petra is still very young so I don't see the age difference between her and Maria as being relevant at all. If I've done my sums right Roger was a little older than Petra was when he first won Wimbledon ... just sayin'

madmax
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:05 AM
Petra is still very young so I don't see the age difference between her and Maria as being relevant at all. If I've done my sums right Roger was a little older than Petra was when he first won Wimbledon ... just sayin'

did you just compare a fluid all-arround player and great mover Federer with clumsy WTA baseline hitter?:lol: I think you are reaching too far here pal by drawing comparisons out of the thin air...just sayin'

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:07 AM
it's really amazing how Kvitty this year is so similar to Sharapova in 04 - both winning the same biggest titles and both playing fearless hard hitting game from the baseline...yet Kvitova, who is 4 years older at this point, is hailed to be some unbeatable force already, despite all of her inconsistency issues. I think we had enough of such examples already and overhyping Petra might not be the best idea at the moment...just sayin'

all about competition...Petra won this YEC in a bit more dominant fashion than Masha did win hers imo.
We'll see how it goes.

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:10 AM
did you just compare a fluid all-arround player and great mover Federer with clumsy WTA baseline hitter?:lol: I think you are reaching too far here pal by drawing comparisons out of the thin air...just sayin'

:spit: You're technically right, but no need to be bitter. Petra's stealing Masha's thunder, we understand. Just fix the serve and Masha will be back, no?! :shrug:

Linguae^
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:46 AM
Kim is the worst for her.
JJ tough as well.
Serena a problem to everyone.

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 11:25 AM
Kim is actually Vika with more power and Vika already's giving Petra hell, so very curious about that match-up.

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:25 PM
did you just compare a fluid all-arround player and great mover Federer with clumsy WTA baseline hitter?:lol: I think you are reaching too far here pal by drawing comparisons out of the thin air...just sayin'

No, of course not, the comparison with either of these girls would be ridiculous:eek:. Only wanted to say that in this context the age difference is irrelevant. Maria broke through early, big deal, Petra's probably still got more good years ahead of her than Maria did when she won her first slam.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:24 PM
:lol: hype out of control already....good thing she didn't beat serena for her first slam or we see how that went with another tall, blonde european power player sponsored by nike :tape:

Anabelcroft
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:35 PM
I would love to see Kvitova against Voskoboeva...they played only once and it was 4-6 6-3 7-6(4) for Kvitova...it would be an winner/error fest!

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:46 PM
:lol: hype out of control already....good thing she didn't beat serena for her first slam or we see how that went with another tall, blonde european power player sponsored by nike :tape:

It's good thing indeed for her....' cause all players that beat Serena in a final, well let's just say..Serena hasn't been kind to them. :lol:

misty1
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:53 PM
players like petkovic, bartoli, jankovic and dementieva who are consistent and also have a good amount of power ware nightmare for petra

ofcourse dementieva is retired but she'd be a really bad match for petra

Steven.
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:56 PM
Kim is the worst for her.
JJ tough as well.
Serena a problem to everyone.

One of my friends actually had an interesting theory. While I agree with you, for sure, Papillon actually thinks that to beat Kvitova handily, you shouldn't be grinding your way against her but rather go for the killing shot first. She says that Petra will always go for the killing shot to end points early, so if you're trying to end the point BEFORE Petra, it'll rush her into an error, rather than retrieving from the baseline and giving Petra time to compose herself if she needs to.

While I don't agree with her, it's actually a plausible and interesting theoretical way to beat Kvitova. The downside is that it'll force you to hit shots with less margin and resulting in a myriad of errors yourself, but isn't it the same with long rallies anyway?

Kim is actually Vika with more power and Vika already's giving Petra hell, so very curious about that match-up.


Nope. Dementieva or Capriati would have the comparable, but superior game to Vika. Kim's game is very different to Vika's. Vika is primarily an offensive baseline grinder, while Kim is a counter puncher. Kim's movement and impeccable defence (don't forget her ability to straddle on HC) is basically what makes her so great on the faster surfaces, and Vika's grinding makes her better on the slower surfaces as she gets to set up winners.

Kim is also able to power past most players if she has to and is much better at the net and has a serve that isn't a liability (most times...).

theFutureisNow
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:13 PM
players like petkovic, bartoli, jankovic and dementieva who are consistent and also have a good amount of power ware nightmare for petra

ofcourse dementieva is retired but she'd be a really bad match for petra

Kvitova went 3-3 against those players in 2011. One of those matches had extenuating circumstances, since Petra had to play 2 matches in one day. Also, Kvitova easily beat Clijsters the last time they played.

That isn't a spectacular record, but it is a long way from calling those players "nightmare" match-ups for her.

bandabou
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:48 PM
One of my friends actually had an interesting theory. While I agree with you, for sure, Papillon actually thinks that to beat Kvitova handily, you shouldn't be grinding your way against her but rather go for the killing shot first. She says that Petra will always go for the killing shot to end points early, so if you're trying to end the point BEFORE Petra, it'll rush her into an error, rather than retrieving from the baseline and giving Petra time to compose herself if she needs to.

While I don't agree with her, it's actually a plausible and interesting theoretical way to beat Kvitova. The downside is that it'll force you to hit shots with less margin and resulting in a myriad of errors yourself, but isn't it the same with long rallies anyway?




Nope. Dementieva or Capriati would have the comparable, but superior game to Vika. Kim's game is very different to Vika's. Vika is primarily an offensive baseline grinder, while Kim is a counter puncher. Kim's movement and impeccable defence (don't forget her ability to straddle on HC) is basically what makes her so great on the faster surfaces, and Vika's grinding makes her better on the slower surfaces as she gets to set up winners.

Kim is also able to power past most players if she has to and is much better at the net and has a serve that isn't a liability (most times...).

Very interesting. If we say that Kvitova is the new Davenport, then there might be some logic into this. Specially if you look at it from h2h perspective.

Vee vs Linds..Linds ended up winning this one and had more success, because likes to rally.
Serena vs Linds..this was terrible match-up for Linds, because Serena liked to keep points short..so in a sense.

I think Kimmy is terrible as match-up, because Petra can just overpower her..and Kim WILL make her hit that extra shot. How's she gonna deal with this?!

cellophane
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:03 PM
Also, Kvitova easily beat Clijsters the last time they played.

That was 1 match on a very fast indoor court that suits Kvitova... where Clijsters hardly gave her best anyways.

misty1
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:05 PM
Kvitova went 3-3 against those players in 2011. One of those matches had extenuating circumstances, since Petra had to play 2 matches in one day. Also, Kvitova easily beat Clijsters the last time they played.

That isn't a spectacular record, but it is a long way from calling those players "nightmare" match-ups for her.

so nightmare is a bad word to use but the point is those players and players like them will give her the most trouble

atominside
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:07 PM
Serena, Clijsters, Sharapova .. only them, playing well, out of remaining players can beat petra.

SHILIN-GOAT
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:09 PM
NaNa :worship:

Petko :dance:

Sofia and Nicu :oh:

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:18 PM
i am a big fan of Petra but i don´t think her peak form will be as good as Serena´s, Kim or Venus. i wanted to see her against Henin also and against Vaidisova too. :hearts:

Didn't Kvitova smoke Clijsters in Paris this year, and after the match Clijsters said "There was nothing I could do. She was unplayable".

That was a Clijsters quote, right after she won the Australian and briefly became number one, when she played that match against Kvitova.

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:23 PM
did you just compare a fluid all-arround player and great mover Federer with clumsy WTA baseline hitter?:lol: I think you are reaching too far here pal by drawing comparisons out of the thin air...just sayin'

Excuse me Petra is a fluid all around player, and nimble mover (especially for her size).

Do you ever see her hop around the baseline, run to the net for drop shots, and hit impossible running, leaping, stretching, crouching shots for winners (with mustard)? Speak for your own player (though I do admire Maria).

Petra's a much better mover than Maria (and every other six footer playing today), she goes to the net, and has all the variety and shots (slice, drop shot, topspin lob, overspin, back spin volley's, etc..) Maria doesn't. Let's not go there.

Petra's a lot more closer to Federer than Maria is, ever was.

Let's be honest.

Thank You Very Much.

shap_half
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:29 PM
Petra's fans are so delusional. I can't handle it.

Soliloque
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:34 PM
Didn't Kvitova smoke Clijsters in Paris this year, and after the match Clijsters said "There was nothing I could do. She was unplayable".

That was a Clijsters quote, right after she won the Australian and briefly became number one, when she played that match against Kvitova.

Kim always says nice things (almost) but she was injured during that match (neck) and anybody who follow tennis know that she was far from her average good level that day.

Chakvenus
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:36 PM
This is becoming almost ridiculous from some of her fans.
Is Petra a phenomenal player? Yes.
Is it inspiring to watch her crack winners from all over the court? Yes.
Was she the best player of the 2011 season? Yes.

But does the fact that she hits like four slices in a match and hits a few volleys make her a 'fluid all around player'? NO.
Petra wins her matches by overpowering her opponents with her bludgeoning groundstrokes. I don't even see how there's any debate here. Some of you people act like those three dropshots she hit totally are the reason she's winning all her matches.

madmax
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:54 PM
Excuse me Petra is a fluid all around player, and nimble mover (especially for her size).

Do you ever see her hop around the baseline, run to the net for drop shots, and hit impossible running, leaping, stretching, crouching shots for winners (with mustard)? Speak for your own player (though I do admire Maria).

Petra's a much better mover than Maria (and every other six footer playing today), she goes to the net, and has all the variety and shots (slice, drop shot, topspin lob, overspin, back spin volley's, etc..) Maria doesn't. Let's not go there.

Petra's a lot more closer to Federer than Maria is, ever was.

Let's be honest.

Thank You Very Much.

LOL...
I suggest you to go and rewatch Maria's 2004 Wimby campaign and how nifty and fluid she was moving on the surface back then...granted, she grew additional 2 inches since then and her movement suffered big time, but saying that Petra is some amazing mover as compared to "any other 6 feet player" is plain and ridiculous BS. And I like Petra too, but it's obvious that you are smoking some nice weed here in a Petraland of grand delusions:wavey:

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:03 PM
Didn't Kvitova smoke Clijsters in Paris this year, and after the match Clijsters said "There was nothing I could do. She was unplayable".

That was a Clijsters quote, right after she won the Australian and briefly became number one, when she played that match against Kvitova.

if i beat kim she'd say i was unplayable :lol: sorry but that's just kimdusah's nature

rnwerner
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:31 PM
Yes.
A very good counter puncher.
And
No.
Because we don't have one.

(Jankovic of 2008 and Zvonareva of 2010)

Matt01
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:45 PM
Petra's fans are so delusional. I can't handle it.


This :sobbing:

StephenUK
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:33 PM
It is so hard to answer this question because Petra has improved so much this year, from 34 to 2 and it is hard to get any sense of what 'average' Petra is, as one minute, she is absolutely brilliant and then next, she is dreadful. Therefore, it would seem that this year, it has been all about Petra's form and when on form, she has proved pretty unbeatable. When on form, even when she suffers from nerves or concentration lapses and loses a set, she seems to be able to come back with a strong finish, eg against Azarenka sf Wimbledon or f Wimbledon.

Having said that, the only two players to have beaten her twice this year are Zvonareva and Petkovic, so these are clearly players who are capable of troubling Petra when off form; some of her other losses, eg Barrois, Rybarikova or Arvidsson must be laid at the door of Petra at her worst.

There are still many unanswered questions, so it will be fascinating to see how she will fare in 2012. When will Petra's results on outdoor hard courts catch up? Can she translate her Madrid win into a Roland Garros performance next year? Will she benefit from the easier draws from being highly seeded or suffer from the pressure, as she did in the US Open? And of course, there is always the unknowable effect of injury and illness that could set her back at any stage.

But Petra has some big advantages over her rivals - all those top 10 wins this year will have boosted her confidence immensely and there are very few top players she hasn't yet beaten. Also her gradual rise, having reached the second week of all the grand slams and winning Wimbledon before becoming world no 1, is a huge advantage over many rising stars in recent years, especially poor old Caroline Wozniacki, a caretaker No 1 if there ever was one. If she has improved this fast this year, what will happen if she continues to improve next year at the same rate? This would surely make her the most dominant player since Justine 07 and Serena 02-3.

Of course, she is now the hunted and will have to deal with the big pressure all the time. One player who is bound to be gunning for her is the scariest of them all - Serena Williams, whom she has never yet beaten, though their matches are all ancient in terms of her development. Serena's return to the top of the game, and especially another Wimbledon and a first Olympics are undoubtedly threatened by the rise of Kvitova, whom she will be desperate to gain an ascendancy over. Given their respective rankings, this could happen as soon as the last 16 of the next Australian Open - now that would be a match to savour! But of course, Serena has her own questions to answer - as she enters her thirties, will she be able to recapture her glory days or is she about to start her final descent to retirement?

centipede
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:44 PM
People need to stop comparing this year to Sharapova's 2004--just because they won two of the biggest titles. She moves way better than Sharapova, she has more variety, and she actually comes to the net (a lot). That's something that sets her apart, especially from the hard-hitting players. Maybe some people are over exaggerating and some are under estimating her by saying she will be a fluke. Let's calm down, and see how next year turns out.

LuvSerena?MeToo
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:49 PM
Petra's fans are so delusional. I can't handle it.

I know its laughable. considering her only slam win came against a player who had this sign http://www.safetysignsupplies.co.uk/images/product_imgs/full/1031_1_1.gif on her seat in the final

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:56 PM
I know its laughable. considering her only slam win came against a player who had this sign http://www.safetysignsupplies.co.uk/images/product_imgs/full/1031_1_1.gif on her seat in the final

You calling Sharapova crippled/disabled?

That's not nice.

Some people don't even think anything is even really wrong with her shoulder now.

Excelscior
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:16 PM
This is becoming almost ridiculous from some of her fans.
Is Petra a phenomenal player? Yes.
Is it inspiring to watch her crack winners from all over the court? Yes.
Was she the best player of the 2011 season? Yes.

But does the fact that she hits like four slices in a match and hits a few volleys make her a 'fluid all around player'? NO.
Petra wins her matches by overpowering her opponents with her bludgeoning groundstrokes. I don't even see how there's any debate here. Some of you people act like those three dropshots she hit totally are the reason she's winning all her matches.

Nice/Good Points.

I know what you mean, and what you're trying to say. And you make some salient points. But she didn't average about 20 net points a game at the YEC for nothing.

That's a lot more than two, three or 4 drop shots or volleys a game. And depending on the match or the opponent, she uses slice through out. She did when she beat Vika and Masha in Wimbledon this year (she actually sliced regularly against everybody at SW19, but I mentioned it, cause I know those two games were her only matches televised).

As far as her power. The variety, only enhances it (when she wants to use it). Because most of the WTA today is either/or (crafty and weaker players, or ball bashers), Petra happens to be both. It makes her more well rounded, unique and dangerous.

Beny
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:33 PM
Actually Petra likes playing Vika, Vika is def a good match up for her.

Bartoli and Dementieva have been/were bad match ups for her. reasons stated above in all previous posts

ExtremespeedX
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:25 AM
Kim always says nice things (almost) but she was injured during that match (neck) and anybody who follow tennis know that she was far from her average good level that day.

Lol, sure. Did you watch the match? Kvitova was serving like Sampras in that match and was hitting her off court. Typical "nice" Clijsters, praises her opponent, but immediatly brings up the "injury" :o

Soliloque
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:37 AM
Lol, sure. Did you watch the match? Kvitova was serving like Sampras in that match and was hitting her off court. Typical "nice" Clijsters, praises her opponent, but immediatly brings up the "injury" :o

She had a bandage on the neck/upper back during the match and didn't brought anything. She was asked about it and said it was not bothering her at all.

Cajka
Nov 2nd, 2011, 01:09 AM
Of course, Serena, Kim... those are obvious choices... Marion is a tricky player for anyone, not only for her. JJ... Yes. We saw that she can cause a trouble for her, peak JJ would really be a tough opponent. The funny thing is that I saw last year Julia hitting her off the court, destroying her, literally. I would love to see them playing against each other now, it would be a totally different match now (when Kvitty improved a lot), but the good serve and a good right-handed forehand could be a problem for her (considering a H2H against VIP and her beautiful clone :hearts:). I would also like to see her against in form KDK (I'm not sure we'll see it again). It sounds funny, but KDK can really make big hitters look pretty helpless (we saw it so many times last year).

also, for some reasons, Klara Zakopalova and BZS are the players she's struggling against. I would LOVE to see her against Safarova. It would be an amazing match.

Raiden
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:03 AM
i think the OP meant real players, not made-up ones.:lol:

Touché!

Seriously though. I think Kvitova is beatable but in order to do that you need something that few WTA players (Petkovic, Zvonareva, Bartoli and Barbora-Z-Strychova) have: brains.

mauresmofan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 02:32 AM
The 3 obvious ones are The Williams Sisters and Clijsters, they have the experience, athletisism and power to cope with a lot of what Petra throws at them. Don't know about Sharapova to be honest I would have said no after the Wimbledon final but she was holding her own before that injury in Tokyo (was it?). It depends where you meet Petra to be honest. Outdoor with wind will probably play havok with her game but indoors and grass courts are ideal and she's clearly a great player in the making on clay. Hardcourts she should be really good on too but it hasn't quite happened for her yet but hey she's young so I'm sure she'll cope.

bandabou
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:29 AM
2012 gonna be very interesting. Can Petra handle being the hunted?!

Rex59
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:50 AM
The 3 obvious ones are The Williams Sisters and Clijsters, they have the experience, athletisism and power to cope with a lot of what Petra throws at them. Don't know about Sharapova to be honest I would have said no after the Wimbledon final but she was holding her own before that injury in Tokyo (was it?). It depends where you meet Petra to be honest. Outdoor with wind will probably play havok with her game but indoors and grass courts are ideal and she's clearly a great player in the making on clay. Hardcourts she should be really good on too but it hasn't quite happened for her yet but hey she's young so I'm sure she'll cope.

Excellent comment and totally agree. Hope for an injury free, healthy 2012 for the combatants with recurring matches amongst the four, which should tell the story for Petra, capping it off with a competitive YEC. :yeah:

skanky~skanketta
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:18 AM
None. If she plays her best, she can't be beat, simple as that. Every match is on her racquet. If she reigns in her aggression and employs her variety, there is not one player on the tour who can match her. That includes Clijsters and Serena.
:oh: No. Just no.

skanky~skanketta
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:52 AM
Didn't Kvitova smoke Clijsters in Paris this year, and after the match Clijsters said "There was nothing I could do. She was unplayable".

That was a Clijsters quote, right after she won the Australian and briefly became number one, when she played that match against Kvitova.
Clijsters is often complimentary to all her opponents. She said something along the same lines about Peng Shuai a few years back.

If you look at that match, Kim was playing like shit (as she has been all year). And the score was still 6-4 6-3.

Johnbert
Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:56 AM
petko won 4 of their last 5 matches... :angel:

debby
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:10 PM
I would say maybe herself too.

Soliloque
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:13 PM
I would say maybe herself too.

:hearts:

debby
Nov 2nd, 2011, 12:19 PM
:hearts:

Bruno :worship:

Brad[le]y.
Nov 2nd, 2011, 08:45 PM
petko won 4 of their last 5 matches... :angel:

Petko beats Kvitty in style :worship:

bandabou
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:08 AM
petko won 4 of their last 5 matches... :angel:

Interestingg.....

Brad[le]y.
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:11 AM
Interestingg.....

one of which was on grass (in straight sets) :crazy:

bandabou
Nov 3rd, 2011, 03:00 PM
one of which was on grass (in straight sets) :crazy:

On grass no less?! :eek: Very interesting...Petko the giant killer!

Excelscior
Nov 3rd, 2011, 03:04 PM
Petko was lucky she played Petra during the NA series, their previous two matches.

Before that in their last meeting in the Brisbane finals, Petra had annihilated Andrea.

I'm sure Petra can't wait till the next time they play (even Petko was making numerous excuses for Petra NA performance, seemingly out of fear of their next meetings).

Trust me. It's going to be ugly! And Andrea knows it.

Siderophyre
Nov 3rd, 2011, 05:36 PM
petko won 4 of their last 5 matches... :angel:

This is quite possibly one of the most bizarre statistics in tennis, because Petko's got nothing compared with Kvitova.

Matt01
Nov 3rd, 2011, 05:43 PM
This is quite possibly one of the most bizarre statistics in tennis, because Petko's got nothing compared with Kvitova.


Not true. :toothy:

Setsuna.
Nov 3rd, 2011, 05:57 PM
This is quite possibly one of the most bizarre statistics in tennis, because Petko's got nothing compared with Kvitova.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, Petra is even much better athlete than Petkovic. Can't believe how Petkovic won those 4 matches against her. Maybe Petra played right-handed or she was injured in all those matches she lost against her on all surfaces. Very lucky player this Andrea.

Siderophyre
Nov 3rd, 2011, 06:41 PM
:rolleyes:

Yeah, Petra is even much better athlete than Petkovic. Can't believe how Petkovic won those 4 matches against her. Maybe Petra played right-handed or she was injured in all those matches she lost against her on all surfaces. Very lucky player this Andrea.

That's not what I meant. Petko is clearly a hard worker who is maximising her talents. Kvitova is very, very talented, but it remains unclear whether or not she will ever maximise her potential. Props to Andrea, but if and when Petra is really on, a player of Petko's abilities won't trouble her. I'm not a particular fan of either player, just making an observation as an obsessive viewer of WTA tennis.

NeKo
Nov 3rd, 2011, 06:55 PM
Even Dulgheru can beat Kvitova in straight sets. Why is a doubt about Petkovic?

Excelscior
Nov 3rd, 2011, 07:01 PM
Even Dulgheru can beat Kvitova in straight sets. Why is a doubt about Petkovic?

Such a bitter hater!! :lol: :confused: :sad: :confused: :lol:

Lol

Tatcher
Nov 3rd, 2011, 07:37 PM
Even Dulgheru can beat Kvitova in straight sets. Why is a doubt about Petkovic?

Yes. Everybody beat Petra but Vika :lol:

Tatcher
Nov 3rd, 2011, 07:39 PM
On grass no less?! :eek: Very interesting...Petko the giant killer!

In Brisbane they both were in good form and Petra easily beat Petkodance.

Soliloque
Nov 3rd, 2011, 07:53 PM
Marion :cheer: But she's such a bad match up for the entire world.

Melange
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:23 PM
:rolleyes:

Yeah, Petra is even much better athlete than Petkovic. Can't believe how Petkovic won those 4 matches against her. Maybe Petra played right-handed or she was injured in all those matches she lost against her on all surfaces. Very lucky player this Andrea.

i think Petkovic is the better athlete but it does not make much effect on their matches.

moodin0931
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:26 PM
Oudin...:shrug:

Melange
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:27 PM
is Oudin still on WTA

Johnbert
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:28 PM
In Brisbane they both were in good form and Petra easily beat Petkodance.

and brisbane was the only one of the last 5 matches they play which counts i guess :drink:

Tatcher
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:40 PM
and brisbane was the only one of the last 5 matches they play which counts i guess :drink:

Why the last 5 matches ? Their HtH 3-4. When they played in 2010, Petra even wasn't in top-50

Johnbert
Nov 3rd, 2011, 08:59 PM
Why the last 5 matches ? Their HtH 3-4. When they played in 2010, Petra even wasn't in top-50

cause we've talked about, that petra lost 4 of the last 5 matches against petko?! :shrug:

as example: nadal has a 16-13 h2h against djokovic, but he lost the last 6 matches against him (all finals). so, would you say djokovic is a good matchup for nadal? :confused:

moodin0931
Nov 3rd, 2011, 09:01 PM
is Oudin still on WTA

;)

Excelscior
Nov 3rd, 2011, 09:03 PM
Honestly, I don't think Petra is losing sleep over her last few matches with Petko.

If people wanna hang there hat on Petra playing Andrrea, during her post Wimby Hangover Phase, knock themselves out and enjoy it, if it feels good.

I'm sure the next time they play, she'll dispatch with Petko like she did with her in Brisbane earlier this year. No biggie/No worries!

Everybody that had a tie, close or winning record against Petra this year, she made it closer or extended the gap.

She'll do the same with Petko next time/s.

Melange
Nov 3rd, 2011, 09:04 PM
petra v petko is same as nadal v djokovic :lol: :lol:

Tatcher
Nov 3rd, 2011, 09:05 PM
cause we've talked about, that petra lost 4 of the last 5 matches against petko?! :shrug:

as example: nadal has a 16-13 h2h :

They both are on top level a few years already. Petra has become a top-player only this year and her game else is improving.
I dont think her HtH vs Petkodance is so significant ))

Johnbert
Nov 3rd, 2011, 09:10 PM
They both are on top level a few years already. Petra has become a top-player only this year.
I dont think her HtH vs Petkodance is so significant ))

but the question was "Is there any bad match ups for Kvitova ?!", and it's obvious, that there are better matchups than petko for her :shrug:

Excelscior
Nov 3rd, 2011, 09:17 PM
but the question was "Is there any bad match ups for Kvitova ?!", and it's obvious, that there are better matchups than petko for her :shrug:

But the point that your missing is, just cause you have a good record against someone, it doesn't mean their necessarily a bad match up. Trust me, if it was, I would admit it.

A H2H record can also come from circumstances (what time in development process, injuries, slumping, when, etc.).

Honestly, Petko doesn't have anything that can trouble Kvitova, or that she should be afraid of. In their case, it's been situational (Petra was younger, started to turn the tide, then Petko got two wins, while Petra was slumping post Wimby). For example, Azarenka is an even better version of Andrea, and Kvitova has a 5-2 record against her, with Kvitova winning the last 4 in a row.

So as far as a bad match up, it's not Petko. But for those that want to hang on to the record to make themselves feel good (and use as the example); knock yourselves out, while it last.

I can name several players that had winning records vs Kvitova before last year or this year, but after several more recent matches they don't anymore.

Zhao
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:04 AM
Venus Williams would have been a bad matchup for Kvitova..

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:07 AM
@Zhao

You mean the same Venus Williams that Petra gave her worst lost to ever (lowest ranked person Venus ever lost to @ #180) 3 yrs ago?

Ahhhhm. Try someone else.

VeeJJ
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:27 AM
Shut up bitches. Venus playing well would destroy Kvitova. She Dubai final '10 how she toyed with Azarenka and her pace. TOYED!

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:37 AM
Shut up bitches. Venus playing well would destroy Kvitova. She Dubai final '10 how she toyed with Azarenka and her pace. TOYED!

No. She wouldn't. Nobody can beat Petra. Even peak Federer would look so helpless against her. Deal with that. :hysteric:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:45 AM
No. She wouldn't. Nobody can beat Petra. Even peak Federer would look so helpless against her. Deal with that. :hysteric:

She might not beat peak Federer, but she'd be sure to blow away Nadal on indoor courts :oh:

JCTennisFan
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:46 AM
I personally think of Kvitova like a slightly faster moving davenport (a left-handed version that is). What kind of players hurt Davenport? Players who could absorb her pace and either get her on the run or used variety on her. Players like Hingis, Henin, and Serena had a good chance against her. So I would say if they were playing up to their abilities..

Schiavone : crafty enough and can absorb pace and get Kvitova on the move.

Radwanska : crafty (similar to hingis in that she works the court) and can defend very well

Clijsters : Complete player, can get Kvitova on the move.

Serena : Can control Kvitova via her serve, complete player.

Venus : Could run her around and also hurt her with net play

Jankovic : Well rounded, though not to the level of Kim/Serena. Could get Kvitova on the move

Ivanovic : Ability to match Kvitova from the back of the court, could produce 1,2 punches on Kvitova. Keep her off rhythm.

That is considering all players were playing at their potential. Several of those mentioned are not unfortunately.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:46 AM
No. She wouldn't. Nobody can beat Petra. Even peak Federer would look so helpless against her. Deal with that. :hysteric:

+ 1

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 05:54 AM
She might not beat peak Federer, but she'd be sure to blow away Nadal on indoor courts :oh:

No way, I'm sure she can beat peak Fed. That mug was never close to Goatra level, let alone Nadal. :spit: A 9 yo Petra was a better player than peak Nadal, although she didn't start playing tennis until last year.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:11 AM
I personally think of Kvitova like a slightly faster moving davenport (a left-handed version that is). What kind of players hurt Davenport? Players who could absorb her pace and either get her on the run or used variety on her. Players like Hingis, Henin, and Serena had a good chance against her. So I would say if they were playing up to their abilities..

Schiavone : crafty enough and can absorb pace and get Kvitova on the move.

Radwanska : crafty (similar to hingis in that she works the court) and can defend very well

Clijsters : Complete player, can get Kvitova on the move.

Serena : Can control Kvitova via her serve, complete player.

Venus : Could run her around and also hurt her with net play

Jankovic : Well rounded, though not to the level of Kim/Serena. Could get Kvitova on the move

Ivanovic : Ability to match Kvitova from the back of the court, could produce 1,2 punches on Kvitova. Keep her off rhythm.

That is considering all players were playing at their potential. Several of those mentioned are not unfortunately.

Good Post. My take:

Schiavone-Would get killed!

Radwanska-Currently 0-4 against Petra

Clijsters-Got Killed by Petra earlier this year. Kim told Renee Stubbs "She was unplayable". But knocked Petra out of US Open last year, and frustrated a more impatient Petra.

Serena-Was down a break 2-4 to Kvitova at Wimbledon in 2010. Serena had many first serves shoved back in her face for ROS Petra winners. Ultimately, ReRe came back to win the first set in a tie break, and then went on to win the second set like the true champions she is. Serena was so impressed she told Petra at the net "Girl You Got Game!" Petra claimed she was inexperienced. Would love to see those two play each other again this year.

Venus-Lost to Kvitova 3 yrs ago when she was the 180 ranked player in the world. Sometimes these weird losses are pure coincidence. But Venus lost this for a reason.

Jankovic-An inspired JJ Lost to Kvitova this fall at Linz, in the only match they ever played. Was a great match. Best JJ in yrs. This probably the type of player that would give Petra the most trouble. A great mover and retriever, who would still goes for their shot. Zvonareva can do this sometimes.

Invanovich-Think she has a winning record against Petra, but they haven't played recently. Would love to see them play now.

Lastly, I don't think Petra and Lindsay are the same class of pure athlete. I think Petra is legitimately more faster, flexible, explosive, nimble and quicker than Lindsay. I'm not trying to use hyperbole, supe up Petra or knock Lindsay. Not at all. And I'm sure I'll be criticized for this by some. But when you watch Petra play many times, you forget she's 6'1", till she's standing still. You never forgot how big Lindsay is. Petra can defend.

Lastly: Junk doesn't work against Petra, cause she her self can employ all types of slices, overspin, topspin, drop volleys, drop shots, lobs, etc. That stuff and type of player, usually doesn't bother her. She feels right at home.

Melange
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:11 AM
peak Roger is a bad matchup for her on midpaced outdoor hard because when his fh is on, he can hit through her slice

Cajka
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:14 AM
peak Roger is a bad matchup for her on midpaced outdoor hard because when his fh is on, he can hit through her slice

Nobody is a bad match up for her. Poor Fed would never win a point against her. Not even in Basel in front of his home crowd. :sad:

Johnbert
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:34 AM
Nobody is a bad match up for her. Poor Fed would never win a point against her. Not even in Basel in front of his home crowd. :sad:

with petra a new superstar is born! she will break all the records from steffi and martina in the next few years :drool: she looks unbeatable to me :shrug: if she would play the atp tour, the big4 would be frighten. she will win the "golden-petra-slam" next year. this one includes the golden-slam + doubles-gold-medal + fedcup + yec :hatoff:

JCTennisFan
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:54 AM
Good Post. My take:

Schiavone-Would get killed!

Radwanska-Currently 0-4 against Petra

Clijsters-Got Killed by Petra earlier this year. Kim told Renee Stubbs "She was unplayable". But knocked Petra out of US Open last year, and frustrated a more impatient Petra.


Venus-Lost to Kvitova 3 yrs ago when she was the 180 ranked player in the world. Sometimes these weird losses are pure coincidence. But Venus lost this for a reason.

Jankovic-An inspired JJ Lost to Kvitova this fall at Linz, in the only match they ever played. Was a great match. Best JJ in yrs. This probably the type of player that would give Petra the most trouble. A great mover and retriever, who would still goes for their shot. Zvonareva can do this sometimes.



Schiavone is the closest thing we have to Henin on Clay. I think Kvitova would be hard pressed to beat an in form Schiavone on dirt, and would have difficulty (though much less so) with her on slow hardcourts.

Clijsters played her to 3 sets iirc when they played last. Kim is actually one of the best matchups against Kvitova honestly and one of the reasons I hope Kim stays around. Could potentially be a late career rival for her. Kim would have the least chance on grass, but HC would spell severe issues for Kvitova. So would Kim on clay if she ever gives it a go again.

Radwanska is similar to Schiavone in this matchup in that she would have her best chances on clay and slow hardcourt. Her play could unnerve Kvitova and throw her off her game. Thus far she hasnt broken through but it appears her best tennis is still ahead of her.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Schiavone is the closest thing we have to Henin on Clay. I think Kvitova would be hard pressed to beat an in form Schiavone on dirt, and would have difficulty (though much less so) with her on slow hardcourts.

Clijsters played her to 3 sets iirc when they played last. Kim is actually one of the best matchups against Kvitova honestly and one of the reasons I hope Kim stays around. Could potentially be a late career rival for her. Kim would have the least chance on grass, but HC would spell severe issues for Kvitova. So would Kim on clay if she ever gives it a go again.

Radwanska is similar to Schiavone in this matchup in that she would have her best chances on clay and slow hardcourt. Her play could unnerve Kvitova and throw her off her game. Thus far she hasnt broken through but it appears her best tennis is still ahead of her.

Oh trust me. I can definitely believe you with Kim, and see your points with Francesca and Aga, though the latter hasn't broken through yet.

Yeah. Kim is tough! Unfortunately, we don't know what type of shape or true motivations she'll be in this year, Olympic desires or not?

FerrerFan123
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:01 AM
Kim definitely! :speakles: All she has to do is promise Petra a son if she ever get's one. :shrug: :oh:

Steven.
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:17 AM
Good Post. My take:

Clijsters-Got Killed by Petra earlier this year. Kim told Renee Stubbs "She was unplayable". But knocked Petra out of US Open last year, and frustrated a more impatient Petra.

Clijsters wasn't playing well to be fair... actually she didn't exactly play well to win AO either in hindsight. Oh well.

Serena-Was down a break 2-4 to Kvitova at Wimbledon in 2010. Serena had many first serves shoved back in her face for ROS Petra winners. Ultimately, ReRe came back to win the first set in a tie break, and then went on to win the second set like the true champions she is. Serena was so impressed she told Petra at the net "Girl You Got Game!" Petra claimed she was inexperienced. Would love to see those two play each other again this year.

Serena might've won the slam that year, but she was by no means great. She served her way through the tournament pretty much. Maria lead by a break had had several set pts too, but Serena served her way out of trouble as well. The final was big serving from Serena, and mental midget Zvonareva screwing herself over. There weren't many stunning winners iirc.

I'm sure Serena who is playing well will beat Kvitova (might not be handily, but will get the job done). Of course, Petra can convince me otherwise next year. ;)

Jankovic-An inspired JJ Lost to Kvitova this fall at Linz, in the only match they ever played. Was a great match. Best JJ in yrs. This probably the type of player that would give Petra the most trouble. A great mover and retriever, who would still goes for their shot. Zvonareva can do this sometimes.

Choke-job by Jankovic. She's a bigger headcase than ever. Lead by breaks in 2nd set but couldn't close out the match. Her level dropped and was just not a nice sight.

The rest I agree with. Venus' and Ana's current form won't be enough to do any damage to Kvitova. Aga is too weak to do anything (although I didn't see her match agaisnt Kvitty at YEC. Apparently Kvitty was down 0-5? :scratch:), and Schiavone will get blown away.

Lastly, I don't think Petra and Lindsay are the same class of pure athlete. I think Petra is legitimately more faster, flexible, explosive, nimble and quicker than Lindsay. I'm not trying to use hyperbole, supe up Petra or knock Lindsay. Not at all. And I'm sure I'll be criticized for this by some. But when you watch Petra play many times, you forget she's 6'1", till she's standing still. You never forgot how big Lindsay is. Petra can defend.

Lastly: Junk doesn't work against Petra, cause she her self can employ all types of slices, overspin, topspin, drop volleys, drop shots, lobs, etc. That stuff and type of player, usually doesn't bother her. She feels right at home.

She is a very tall girl, and she moves well for how big she is, height and weight. Lindsay had the bigger groundies though. And despite both of them being explosive, I think Petra gets the upper hand if only because of her being a southpaw.

Agree with the rest as well. She doesn't need to use her opponent's pace to generate power, unlike say Li Na. I think the only players on tour who can generate their own pace would be Kvitova, Sharapova, Serena, Venus, Hradecka, Rezai etc.

Excelscior
Nov 4th, 2011, 07:30 AM
@Steven

Thank you for taking the time to write such a point for point, classy response.

It's been the peanut gallery so much tonight/this morning (probably in the day where you are), that I'll take any earnest, well argued response (even if we don't agree specifically on every specific detail).

Thanks Again

Novichok
Nov 4th, 2011, 01:07 PM
She might not beat peak Federer, but she'd be sure to blow away Nadal on indoor courts :oh:

:lol::lol::lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:28 PM
so which banned poster is excelscior :lol:

Barktra
Nov 9th, 2011, 09:58 PM
I know Petra loves pace, so somebody like Strycova and Niculescu could give her trouble. If she doesn't improve her consistency, I can see her have alot of trouble with junkballers.

atominside
Nov 9th, 2011, 10:01 PM
so which banned poster is excelscior :lol:

i always had a feeling its sluggah.

Novichok
Nov 9th, 2011, 10:03 PM
It's not sluggah. He's not a Caro hater.

Excelscior
Nov 9th, 2011, 10:09 PM
I know Petra loves pace, so somebody like Strycova and Niculescu could give her trouble. If she doesn't improve her consistency, I can see her have alot of trouble with junkballers.

Petra doesn't usually have trouble with junk ballers, because she can generate her own pace (unlike other players), plus she's got a lot of junk, that she's comfortable with using herself.

She's beaten Vinci and Radwanska (2x this year and 4 in a row), etc., numerous times.

Petra was out of form when she lost to Niculescu.

Chakvenus
Nov 10th, 2011, 12:39 AM
I wish this Petra could have played a prime Patty. I think that would have been a very interesting match, especially if it was on clay.

mac47
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Petra hits bigger and flatter than Davenport on a regular basis. Lindsay might have had the ability to produce a single bigger shot, but she did not hit as hard on a regular basis, nor did she hit anything like the number of winners per match.

Serena serving well can trouble anyone, but it's rather hard to call that a "matchup problem", as though Serena had just the right sort of game to give Petra fits.

I don't believe Petra ought to lose to any current player when she's on her game, so in that sense there are no bad matchups. No one has her kryptonite. But if you want to know which matchups are "least good", it's probably the offensive counterpuncher -- the Zvonareva, Petkovic types. Not the junkballers like Aga or the players who rely on massive spin (Schiavone and Stosur, in quite different ways). Bepa and Andrea are fast enough to run down enough of her balls and hit hard enough in their own right to strike back.

Ana Ivanovic has the best record of anyone against her: 3-0, I believe. That's kind of surprising, and it bears scrutinizing further.

Excelscior
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:17 AM
@Mac47

Good Post/Nice comments.

I'm sure they'll cause some discussion and raised eyebrows.

FYI: Petkovic got mauled by Petra at Brisbane, when they were both in form, earlier this year.

Petra was totally out of form, when they faced each other in North America.

I'm not sure if she's played Ana/VIP in two years; which for Petra is a lifetime ago.

So I would agree the Bepa, JJ type would the most difficult. I wouldn't put Andrea in their class. She's not fluid enough (especially hitting off the run). Obviously Peak Serena, is tough for anyone, but Petra played her quite well in Wimby last year; so that remains to be seen?

Peak Clijsters, would be tough as well (and we all know what happened at Paris Indoors, earlier this year). She did lose to her at the US Open last year. But Kim would/could be tough, at times.

Like I said earlier, junk ballers don't bother her at all. A great server (or someone having a great serving day), could bother her as well, if Petra's return and ground stroke game were off.

But great serving, can bother anyone (and we don't have too many of them in women's tennis, anyway). Lol

ExtremespeedX
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:17 AM
A great server can give Petra a taste of her own medicine and put pressure on her during her own service games. Stosur did it decently in YEC until she couldn't sustain the level she was playing at and got overwhelmed in the end. The biggest threat to Petra are power grinders who make few UE's, have great RoS and hit deep with decent power. She won't lose to pushers unless she has a dreadful off day making like 60 UE in two sets and most offensive baseliners she'll feast on since they tend to be a lesser version of herself.

Barktra
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:21 AM
@mac47 and Excelscior

I only think Barbie and Monica can bother her. Barbie almost beat her indoors in Paris :tape:. Petra has never played Monica before, but if they play on grass i am pretty sure at wimbledon Petra could kill her, but at hardcourts I am little scared for Petra. I love Petra and I think she can beat them.

mac47
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:24 AM
Actually, it looks like the most recent match with Ivanovic was in January 2009. By the time they play again, that will be more like 3 years ago, back when Petra wasn't the player she is, and when Ana had been #1 in the world and won Roland Garros the previous season (though I believe she was only ranked in the top 5 when they played at Brisbane). At any rate, Ana would have had all kinds of confidence, and Petra would have been very much a work in progress at that point.

Bonfire
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:24 AM
If Wozniacki can get her 1st half of 2011 form going again...she will continue to pose a threat to Kvitova. Kvitova will always be a threat to Caro of course. I'm looking forward to more match-ups between these two next season!

Excelscior
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:28 AM
@Extremespeedx

But Vika is the best PowerGrinder, currently going, and she's lost 4 in a row to Petra, now. We'll see about Andrea in the future?

I think someone with speed, defense and offense (like Serena used to, Clijsters?, JJ and Zvonarena sometimes), would be her toughest types; especially them on hardcourts.

Now of course, Petra is learning, working on/solving that, by utilizing more angles, reduced pace, volleys, drops shots and lobs now; to cut off/end, set up or control the points.

Excelscior
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:28 AM
@JupiterLove

Fair enough!

mac47
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:31 AM
I think with Barbora, there's some fellow-Czech mental block, plus familiarity, plus Barbora's out-of-this-world bitching about everything that happens in the course of the match.

Excelscior
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:32 AM
If Wozniacki can get her 1st half of 2011 form going again...she will continue to pose a threat to Kvitova. Kvitova will always be a threat to Caro of course. I'm looking forward to more match-ups between these two next season!

Yes!

A crisp hitting, sweet backhanding Wozniaki, would provide a good match indeed.

Hopefully, she'll recapture some of her offensive attitude, and crisp hitting next year (and she'll be included in that JJ, Zvonareva, Clijsters type). Lol

ExtremespeedX
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:48 AM
Yes!

A crisp hitting, sweet backhanding Wozniaki, would provide a good match indeed.

Hopefully, she'll recapture some of her offensive attitude, and crisp hitting next year (and she'll be included in that JJ, Zvonareva, Clijsters type). Lol

Dullniacki can never be a threat to Petra, really. :shrug: At her 50% level Petra can basically serve her off the court since her return is shit even when returning second serves. Now JJ, Zvonareva, Clijsters pose huge problems, especially on a slower court since all possess excellent return of serve, good consistency and amazing defense, Petra must play good tennis to beat them.

On fast courts, like Paris indoors, she's obviously favorite, but on slowed down outdoor hard courts like AO, IW and Miami her ground game must be on to win. Furthermore, she should stop choking to Zvonareva of all people.

Cajka
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:49 AM
Actually, it looks like the most recent match with Ivanovic was in January 2009. By the time they play again, that will be more like 3 years ago, back when Petra wasn't the player she is, and when Ana had been #1 in the world and won Roland Garros the previous season (though I believe she was only ranked in the top 5 when they played at Brisbane). At any rate, Ana would have had all kinds of confidence, and Petra would have been very much a work in progress at that point.

After RG 2008 Ana was never near her best level. When they played for the first time Ana was injured (her forehand was awful), but she won that match somehow although Kvitova's performance was more impressive, it was probably the period of her worst tennis ever (there are highlights of that match on YT). I can't remember the other two matches. They played in Zurich, Ana played good there, but not impressive and in Brisbane she was awful. She played a 3 setter against Vinci and eventually lost to Mauresmo in two easy sets, her toss was already a mess and the forehand was very weak. The only reason she was still a top 5 players in those matches is because she had a lot of points from the previous season. This Kvitova would probably destroy that Ana. But peak Ana was a tough opponent. During 2007 and one part of 2008 her serve was huge and her forehand was the best on the tour. Unfortunately, it's really hard to expect her to play on that level again, but someone with the similar playing style would definitely be an interesting match-up for Kvitova. Similar weapons, but right-handed player. I mentioned the match against Julia last year in Linz, Kvitova wasn't nowhere near her best in that match, but she didn't self-destroy there, Julia really won it. Her serve was great and Petra couldn't handle her forehand at all.

rafaelkafka
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:56 AM
Only Kvitova can defeat Kvitova when she turns the UE machine on and GIVE matches.

Bonfire
Nov 10th, 2011, 01:57 AM
Dullniacki can never be a threat to Petra, really. :shrug: At her 50% level Petra can basically serve her off the court since her return is shit even when returning second serves. Now JJ, Zvonareva, Clijsters pose huge problems, especially on a slower court since all possess excellent return of serve, good consistency and amazing defense, Petra must play good tennis to beat them.

On fast courts, like Paris indoors, she's obviously favorite, but on slowed down outdoor hard courts like AO, IW and Miami her ground game must be on to win. Furthermore, she should stop choking to Zvonareva of all people.

you should check their head to head! Not saying it was always peak Petra in those matches but obviously Caroline can pose a threat to her sometimes.

Excelscior
Nov 10th, 2011, 02:05 AM
Dullniacki can never be a threat to Petra, really. :shrug: At her 50% level Petra can basically serve her off the court since her return is shit even when returning second serves. Now JJ, Zvonareva, Clijsters pose huge problems, especially on a slower court since all possess excellent return of serve, good consistency and amazing defense, Petra must play good tennis to beat them.

On fast courts, like Paris indoors, she's obviously favorite, but on slowed down outdoor hard courts like AO, IW and Miami her ground game must be on to win. Furthermore, she should stop choking to Zvonareva of all people.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure if you're giving a inform Caro enough credit. I agree with you Caro's lack of a good return game, and serve, will not trouble Petra. But if Petra is off her form serving, and returning (and not setting up her ground strokes well), Caro-inform, could frustrate her (especially if Petra's not going to the net).

I would agree Peak Caro, is not peak JJ, Vera Z, as far as giving Petra trouble (so I'm not comparing the three players to each other).

As far as Vera Z; I think Petra was is midform, therefore, when Vera made her comeback, she didn't react well. In good form (like Istanbul), she's got the confidence to absorb the fun, and figure it out/thwart it.

And she did!

Bonfire
Nov 10th, 2011, 02:12 AM
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure if you're giving a inform Caro enough credit. I agree with you Caro's lack of a good return game, and serve, will not trouble Petra. But if Petra is off her form serving, and returning (and not setting up her ground strokes well), Caro, inform, could frustrate her.

I would agree Peak Caro, is not peak JJ, Vera Z, as far as giving Petra trouble (so I'm not comparing the three players to each other).

As far as Vera Z; I think Petra was is midform, therefore, when Vera made her comeback, she didn't react well. In good form (like Istanbul), she's got the confidence to absorb the fun, and figure it out/thwart it.

And she did!

and let's not forget that it's not entirely based on whether Petra is off-form against Caro. When Caroline is truly in-form, she has the kind of game that can turn an in-form player into an out of form player within the duration of a match. That's what makes Woz tough to beat at her peak.

Excelscior
Nov 10th, 2011, 02:19 AM
@Capriati420

Yes. An inform Caro is a excellent player. No complaints, and I see your point.

I guess we used the term "inform", cause an in form Petra would/should have the serve, return, ground stroke and net game to thwart Caro's advances (or at least in theory). That's why.

Of course, that remains to be seen in the future, from both players?

Bonfire
Nov 10th, 2011, 02:27 AM
@Capriati420

Yes. An inform Caro is a excellent player. No complaints, and I see your point.

I guess we used the term "inform", cause an in form Petra would/should have the serve, return, ground stroke and net game to thwart Caro's advances (or at least in theory). That's why.

Of course, that remains to be seen in the future, from both players?

I see what your saying:cool:

Matt01
Nov 10th, 2011, 06:11 PM
you should check their head to head! Not saying it was always peak Petra in those matches but obviously Caroline can pose a threat to her sometimes.


Why put objective stats into Excelsior's way of delusional delusions? Spoils all the fun :shrug:

traralgon
Nov 10th, 2011, 07:47 PM
An in-form Rezai maybe... her groundstrokes are brilliant.
Laura Robson could be interesting too. She is developing into a Kvitova-like player imo.
I was surprised to see how competitive Jankovic was in their match in Linz. I thought she had enough to win the match because she kept hitting awkward balls which Kvitova found hard to handle for a while.

Andrew Laeddis
Nov 10th, 2011, 07:56 PM
I'd like to see her play Vaidisova.

JCTennisFan
Nov 10th, 2011, 08:29 PM
Depends on what surface we are talking about honestly. On grass imo the only real type of player that has a shot against her is someone with a big serve that can finish points at the net and atleast keep with her on the baseline. If she is not hitting up to par and making alot of errors though a consistent baseliner could potentially take her out on grass. On clay she is by far her weakest imo, and any type of clay specialist has a good shot against her there. On hardcourts she is quite formidable, and the best type of player to beat her there is probably someone with a good mix of serve strength and ROS who can end points quickly or who can maintain baseline exchanges with her long enough to force an error or get her out of position.

All in all she has very few capable opponents on grass, a moderate amount on hardcourt, and quite a few on clay. Alot of it though truely depends on her form, because if she is hitting errors all over the place then the field of players who can beat her opens up quite dramatically. When she is razor sharp though, there are only a handful at best who can compete against her.

moodin0931
Nov 10th, 2011, 09:59 PM
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Valanga
Nov 10th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Wozniacki is the type of player, if playing well, that can trouble Petra. But only on outdoor HC

bbjpa
Nov 11th, 2011, 03:12 PM
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