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Serenus Christ
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:14 AM
Taylor rates Stosur, with titleholder Kim Clijsters, four-time winner Serena Williams and Kvitova among the four best chances at Melbourne Park, claiming her proven ability to ''win the big match against the big players'' warranted a rating above her ranking.

The Australian Open, he said, was ''a big challenge'', given her modest results in the past, but insisted: ''Sam's a better player than someone that's reached the fourth round. She'll go in there as one of the favourites and she deserves to be one of the favourites, but there's probably a group of four or five girls equal to Sam with the same chance.''

Taylor considers this grand slam-enhanced year as superior to last, despite a win-loss record of 45-23 compared with 47-19 in 2010. Stosur endured an ordinary start, and won a single title, but that represented ''obviously the absolute biggest high that a player could ever ask for in the US Open''.

#OOP!

BikezAreForever!
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:23 AM
I'll second that. Sam is certainly playing better tennis than say Zvo or Woz lately. As long as she does not have such a unlucky draw like last year, she'll come up good at AO. :cool:

Annie.
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:27 AM
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Oct 31st, 2011, 04:31 AM
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Moveyourfeet
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:37 AM
What a dumb coach. Putting more pressure on the already immense pressure there is for her to perform at her home slam.

SilverPersian
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:46 AM
What a dumb coach. Putting more pressure on the already immense pressure there is for her to perform at her home slam.

Yeah, er, Dave is pretty much the best thing that has ever happened to Sam.

I don't really see what the problem is with what he said. Is Sam top four? Well, it's a very optimistic assessment, particularly if you assume that Kim is going to be fit and healthy. But a coach being positive about the prospects of his charge - surely this isn't too surprising?

I think on form she'd have to be amongst the 6-8 players who *could* win the AO. So I personally would say her ranking is about right (except swap Li Na and Woz for Kim and Serena above her). It's definitely a pressurised environment for her, but the last two years she's been knocked out early by Serena and Kvitova. If she gets a better draw, who knows?

Potato
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:49 AM
Sam in Australia = Momo in France

tRUstus
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:59 AM
Sam in Australia = Momo in France

it seems the true . unfortunately.

lets hope that Sam in France'2012 will be = Momo in Auatralia 2006 :)

Moveyourfeet
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:17 AM
It's definitely a pressurised environment for her, but the last two years she's been knocked out early by Serena and Kvitova. If she gets a better draw, who knows?

Stosur has an abysmal record in finals. She crumbled under the pressure of being the heavy favorite at RG against Schiavone.

She came through at the USO partly because there was zero pressure on her. For her coach to be hyping her as one of the top 4 contenders given her history with dealing with pressure isn't smart IMO.

If her ranking doesn't do her justice, then fine. Leave it alone and let her game speak for itself.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:18 AM
Dave is a very down to earth guy, and knows Sam better than anyone else on earth, both her strengths and her weaknesses. He's been right about her in the past when pretty well everyone else on the planet got it wrong. You can quibble about whether she's one of the top 4 or top 5 or top 6 contenders for the AO, but if Dave says she's in the mix I'm inclined to believe him. And I don't think this will add to the pressure on Sam. Dave's point is that Sam is one of a small group of big-match players who step up to the plate when it really matters.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:31 AM
Dave's point is that Sam is one of a small group of big-match players who step up to the plate when it really matters.

lol. 3 won out of 12 finals says otherwise.

BikezAreForever!
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:32 AM
Stosur has an abysmal record in finals.

I think you underestimate Sam. Not many people can defeat SW in the GS final the way she did it. Sam worked her butt off during the year and she did turn-around her season. Unfortunately people do not give her enough credit for it. IMHO she improved her backhand, movement and her seve was more effective also since I saw her last time at AO.

SilverPersian
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:37 AM
Stosur has an abysmal record in finals. She crumbled under the pressure of being the heavy favorite at RG against Schiavone.

She came through at the USO partly because there was zero pressure on her. For her coach to be hyping her as one of the top 4 contenders given her history with dealing with pressure isn't smart IMO.

If her ranking doesn't do her justice, then fine. Leave it alone and let her game speak for itself.

I know what you're saying. (Although I think Franny played amazing well in the RG final).

Backing up her first GS title with another one, in her home country, is, well, going to be a very challenging feat - perhaps bordering on the impossible. But I think she's definitely capable of getting to the second week, and from there it really depends on how the draw turns out.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:39 AM
lol. 3 won out of 12 finals says otherwise.

This comment is almost too stupid to warrant a reply, but I'll do it anyway. Most of the losses are ancient history, Sam is a totally different player compared to even two years ago. Take a look at who she's playing finals against these days, and take a look at e.g. Wozniacki's finals this year. Take a look at Sam's record against top 5 players this year. Take a look at how much her performances have improved in the second half of this year. You can draw your own conclusions.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:39 AM
I think you underestimate Sam. Not many people can defeat SW in the GS final the way she did it. Sam worked her butt off during the year and she did turn-around her season. Unfortunately people do not give her enough credit for it. IMHO she improved her backhand, movement and her seve was more effective also since I saw her last time at AO.

Sam has the game no doubt, but she has shown that she can falter under pressure. That's my point. Everything else you wrote is not what I'm talking about.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:44 AM
This comment is almost too stupid to warrant a reply, but I'll do it anyway. Most of the losses are ancient history, Sam is a totally different player compared to even two years ago. Take a look at who she's playing finals against these days, and take a look at e.g. Wozniacki's finals this year. Take a look at Sam's record against top 5 players this year. Take a look at how much her performances have improved in the second half of this year. You can draw your own conclusions.

My bad, didn't realise a year ago was ancient history. You know, 7 of her finals occured in the last year.

She really stepped it up in the big moments against Sharapova on Clay (:tape:) and Bartoli in Osaka.
:rolleyes:

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:59 AM
Dave Taylor never stopped believing in Sam even after her loss to Melinda Czink at Wimbledon. That's why she came back and made the amazing runs in Toronto and USO. He's the best thing to happen to Sam's tennis career.

He's putting the pressure on Sam because he wants her to believe the same. This is NOTHING compared to the media scrutiny she will be facing leading up and during the Aussie Open next year. So why not start getting used to it.

Dealing with pressure is part of the profession. More exposure means more chances to learn how to deal with it.

In Sam's current form, she's a better player than Li Na and Maria Sharapova so she can be considered one of the four best players in the world right now. He's just telling it like it is.

dragonflies
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:20 AM
Dave Taylor never stopped believing in Sam even after her loss to Melinda Czink at Wimbledon. That's why she came back and made the amazing runs in Toronto and USO. He's the best thing to happen to Sam's tennis career.

He's putting the pressure on Sam because he wants her to believe the same. This is NOTHING compared to the media scrutiny she will be facing leading up and during the Aussie Open next year. So why not start getting used to it.

Dealing with pressure is part of the profession. More exposure means more chances to learn how to deal with it.

In Sam's current form, she's a better player than Li Na and Maria Sharapova so she can be considered one of the four best players in the world right now. He's just telling it like it is.


Moveyourfeet has a point and some of you weren't able / pretended not/ to see that. Dealing with pressure, aka being the favorite, is very tough, even great players can't deal with that sometimes ( Serena). Sam is even below average in that department, so putting more pressure on Sam is not going to do her any good.


Even Fran played out of her mind and Serena played under par in the finals, being under the pressure/ or wasn't/ was a big factor in Sam's victory/ failure.



Sam could be in the top 4 contenders right now, but the AO is not going to be played now, but almost 3 more months. A lot of things can happened during the off season, players can find their forms. Like Li Na has always played well at the AO, unlike Sam, Maria can also have enough time to heal her ankle and be prepared. Maria and Vika still have a very commanding h2h against Sam. Next year, it could be Serena, Kim, Petra, Maria, Na, Vika, or maybe even Caro, ahead of Sam heading to the AO, we never know.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:39 AM
My bad, didn't realise a year ago was ancient history. You know, 7 of her finals occured in the last year.

She really stepped it up in the big moments against Sharapova on Clay (:tape:) and Bartoli in Osaka.
:rolleyes:

Sorry if I was a bit rude on my previous post, but I'm just so sick of people dragging this finals record out and using it as evidence against her. My point is that she has not lost her recent finals because they were finals (possible exception RG '10, but she's put that behind her now), which is the only reason it would be relevant to drag out her finals record in the first place. In the last couple of years she's lost to players in finals who were very good players and/or who are very difficult match-ups for her, either in general (Sharapova) or on the surface (Marion in Osaka). She would have lost those matches whether they were finals or not. No disgrace there, at least she's getting to finals against women of this calibre, which is more than a lot of the top 10 are doing. And my original point about her being a big match player stands regardless of her finals record. I really don't see many other players handing out such a thrashing to Serena in a slam final, or beating clay queen Henin and Serena back to back at RG. Her problem is not that she has done poorly in finals, but that she's underperformed in what should be routine matches for her: early rounds of slams, smaller tournaments, etc., which is why her ranking is too low for a player of her ability. if she can fix that she will start reaching more finals, and the more she reaches the more she'll win.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:58 AM
Moveyourfeet has a point and some of you weren't able / pretended not/ to see that. Dealing with pressure, aka being the favorite, is very tough, even great players can't deal with that sometimes ( Serena). Sam is even below average in that department, so putting more pressure on Sam is not going to do her any good.

Even Fran played out of her mind and Serena played under par in the finals, being under the pressure/ or wasn't/ was a big factor in Sam's victory/ failure.



Sam could be in the top 4 contenders right now, but the AO is not going to be played now, but almost 3 more months. A lot of things can happened during the off season, players can find their forms. Like Li Na has always played well at the AO, unlike Sam, Maria can also have enough time to heal her ankle and be prepared. Maria and Vika still have a very commanding h2h against Sam. Next year, it could be Serena, Kim, Petra, Maria, Na, Vika, or maybe even Caro, ahead of Sam heading to the AO, we never know.

Dave knows Sam better than anyone, and he wouldn't say these things if he thought it was going to put her under undue pressure. In a sense you're right that Sam sometimes still has a problem handling pressure, but it's not so much the pressure than comes from expectations as the pressure of not knowing how to handle herself when things start to go awry on court. It can happen anytime, big match, small match, at home, away doesn't make much difference IMO. She needs to work on that, but she won't be too concerned about the expectations at the AO.

Mistress of Evil
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:48 AM
For players like Serena, Venus and Kimberly can be said that their ranking don't do them any justice! (due to health issues, of course) So for Stosur who has been healthy and played full schedule to be said that her ranking does not reflect her level is ridiculous :help: Not to mention she in N6, how much higher she is supposed to be ranked - NUMBER ONE :spit: She has like 5-6 decent tournaments all year and a bunch of embarrassing, poor performances :o

FlaviaFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:51 AM
For players like Serena, Venus and Kimberly can be said that their ranking don't do them any justice! (due to health issues, of course) So for Stosur who has been healthy and played full schedule to be said that her ranking does not reflect her level is ridiculous :help: Not to mention she in N6, how much higher she is supposed to be ranked - NUMBER ONE :spit: She has like 5-6 decent tournaments all year and a bunch of embarrassing, poor performances :o

So true :o
Stosur has played a few good tournaments this year, she's lucky to be where she currently is ;)
And she has a slam and another slam final, I think she has been really lucky :lol:

tennisvideos
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:11 AM
lol. 3 won out of 12 finals says otherwise.

Ummm ... making 12 Finals is pretty impressive IMO. And to win a GS and be runner up in another is even more impressive.

Glass half full / Glass half empty? I prefer to look at the glass half full. :)

Mightymirza
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:21 AM
:lol: her ranking is the least of her problem :lol: Its her head :tape:

pav
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:29 AM
Comes under the category of blowass I'm afraid.

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:40 AM
And she has a slam and another slam final, I think she has been really lucky :lol:

I can't tell whether you are being serious or sarcastic.

GeeTee
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:44 AM
Sheesh... talk about putting words in Taylor's mouth...

He says she goes in as one of a group which includes '4 or 5 other players' - so that probably means (if he was even thinking seriously about rankings at all) that he rates her in the top 6 in the world!

Well duh...

It's more like he's saying Kim and Serena's ranking don't do them justice....and...well duh...

Anyway after the AO, almost no matter what happens, she'll be at least #5. She's got hardly any points to lose this entire Aussie swing.

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:46 AM
Moveyourfeet has a point and some of you weren't able / pretended not/ to see that. Dealing with pressure, aka being the favorite, is very tough, even great players can't deal with that sometimes ( Serena). Sam is even below average in that department, so putting more pressure on Sam is not going to do her any good.

Obviously you aren't able / pretended not/ to see my point either. It doesn't matter what pressure Dave puts on Sam, she's going to be considered a favourite anyway by Australian media come January. If you've ever lived in Australia, you will know how sports-mad this country is. Sam is the reigning USO champion - she's not going to escape the pressure. Dave is doing the right thing by exposing her earlier to it so eventually she will just get on with her job.

FlaviaFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:47 AM
I can't tell whether you are being serious or sarcastic.

Of course you support her because you're Australian, but let's just be honest.
Stosur's ranking is built on a few good tournaments: without them she would have been out of Top 30.
Except for USO, her Grand Slam results this year sucked balls, and she has embarassing losses with average players.
She, and her coach, must be satisfied with what she did: it's already a lot she won a Slam.

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:49 AM
Stosur's ranking is built on a few good tournaments: without them she would have been out of Top 30.

Work on your maths, then talk. :facepalm:

Take away her USO points, she will still be top 10.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:53 AM
Of course you support her because you're Australian, but let's just be honest.
Stosur's ranking is built on a few good tournaments: without them she would have been out of Top 30.
Except for USO, her Grand Slam results this year sucked balls, and she has embarassing losses with average players.
She, and her coach, must be satisfied with what she did: it's already a lot she won a Slam.

She was ranked 10 going into USO. Get your facts straight. And since then she has played at a much higher level. And believe me, it's a lot harder to reach 2 slam finals than it is to post superficial off the cuff remarks about how much a player sucks. Her peers and experts in the tennis community take her very seriously as a player, so I don't think she needs to lose any sleep if you don't.

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:58 AM
You are too polite, stromatolite. Someone checked Wikipedia for Grand Slam results and used that as tennis knowledge.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:00 AM
You are too polite, stromatolite. Someone checked Wikipedia for Grand Slam results and used that as tennis knowledge.

:lol: Exactly!

FlaviaFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:15 AM
No :lol: Someone's following tennis enough to say Stosur has lost to Gajdosova, Kuznetsova, Dulko and Czink (:spit:), and her overall record this year isn't that good :lol:
You can say what you want, but Stosur was lucky to do what she did and to be at that place in the rankings, so her coach should just shut up and enjoy the lucky moment :)

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:26 AM
No :lol: Someone's following tennis enough to say Stosur has lost to Gajdosova, Kuznetsova, Dulko and Czink (:spit:), and her overall record this year isn't that good :lol:
You can say what you want, but Stosur was lucky to do what she did and to be at that place in the rankings, so her coach should just shut up and enjoy the lucky moment :)

I could pursue this conversation further, but on reflection I really have better things to do with my time. Like tennisforadults pointed out, you have demonstrated zero knowledge of tennis in your posts so far, so there is no reason to think that this is leading anywhere meaningful. And you clearly believe whatever you want to believe whatever anyone says, so I'll just leave you to your dream world. Have a nice life!

FlaviaFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 11:22 AM
I'll have for sure :) And it will be even better when Stosur will lose to Czink next year again.

onebridgecafe
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:04 PM
Why do I always find some Stosur's fans trying hard to convince everybody to like her. Really.

matthias
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:21 PM
Sam will choke badly imo

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:26 PM
:lol:

Cajka
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:37 PM
Why do I always find some Stosur's fans trying hard to convince everybody to like her. Really.

Sam's fans are doing that? Wow, they must be the only fans on this board who do that. :eek:

I don't think that Sam's coach said something wrong. :shrug: She'll be one of the favourites in the AO, but not the biggest favourite, which can be a good thing for her. Let's see if she can finally make a big result there.

SilverPersian
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:41 PM
Why do I always find some Stosur's fans trying hard to convince everybody to like her. Really.

No-one's trying to convince anyone to like her. But it would be nice if people gave her (and everyone on the WTA, for that matter) credit where it's due. I guess that's asking too much from GM :shrug:

Sam will choke badly imo

Yeah she'll probably be rolling around in the pools of money that she's won over the course of her career and drown in it :inlove:

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:00 PM
Sam's fans are doing that? Wow, they must be the only fans on this board who do that. :eek:

I don't think that Sam's coach said something wrong. :shrug: She'll be one of the favourites in the AO, but not the biggest favourite, which can be a good thing for her. Let's see if she can finally make a big result there.

Thanks for the calm and sensible comments.:yeah: I don't know where anybody got the idea that we want everybody to like Sam, to be honest we would start to get worried if some of the recent posters on this thread started to like her:help:. But that doesn't mean that we will idly stand by and watch them throw slanderous insults at her.

10S truth
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:36 PM
Sam has just a good of chance in OZ as any other top player. Dave is spot on with his comments. As it comes faultering under pressure, all the top players have shown that at times in the last few years except Serena. It would be great for her to win in Melbourne.

Morrissey
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:47 PM
Yeah, er, Dave is pretty much the best thing that has ever happened to Sam.

I don't really see what the problem is with what he said. Is Sam top four? Well, it's a very optimistic assessment, particularly if you assume that Kim is going to be fit and healthy. But a coach being positive about the prospects of his charge - surely this isn't too surprising?

I think on form she'd have to be amongst the 6-8 players who *could* win the AO. So I personally would say her ranking is about right (except swap Li Na and Woz for Kim and Serena above her). It's definitely a pressurised environment for her, but the last two years she's been knocked out early by Serena and Kvitova. If she gets a better draw, who knows?

Sam's talent is definitely top four her problem has always been consistency. Yes, Sam won the US OPEN on the court on her own but David instilled the belief she could beat Serena and become a champion!

She proved A LOT this year by staying in the top 10 and WINNING the US OPEN she showed the world her French Open result last year was NO FLUKE!

A lot of players reach ONE slam final but she reached TWO and managed to win one. I think it says a lot about Sam that she was able to bounce back.

I think Samantha competes in too many events why is playing 24 events in one year that's too much! I think Sam should compete in only sixteen to seventeen events in a year. She also needs to become MORE consistent in her results.

Gdsimmons
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:00 PM
http://i.imgur.com/sgssC.gif

Ok sure. If he says so...

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:12 PM
Sam's talent is definitely top four her problem has always been consistency. Yes, Sam won the US OPEN on the court on her own but David instilled the belief she could beat Serena and become a champion!

She proved A LOT this year by staying in the top 10 and WINNING the US OPEN she showed the world her French Open result last year was NO FLUKE!

A lot of players reach ONE slam final but she reached TWO and managed to win one. I think it says a lot about Sam that she was able to bounce back.

I think Samantha competes in too many events why is playing 24 events in one year that's too much! I think Sam should compete in only sixteen to seventeen events in a year. She also needs to become MORE consistent in her results.

I agree with this, and I think consistency is what Sam and Dave will be focusing on mainly from now on. It has already improved, but she's still capable of throwing in some really poor matches, like she did against Vika a few days ago. She really suffered in the first half of last year because she was winning her first one or two matches in tournaments really easily, then throwing in a shocker and going out well before the final stages. Partly because of that I don't think 24 tournaments was necessarily too much for her (she didn't play an extremely high number of matches), but if she starts reaching the SFs and finals on a regular basis she may need to cut this down a bit.

Uranus
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:42 PM
Sam won her first slam (plus against Serena in F) and I believe it can help her a lot in the future. However, she isn't deserving of a top 3 rank IMO.

Philbo
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:53 PM
I could pursue this conversation further, but on reflection I really have better things to do with my time. Like tennisforadults pointed out, you have demonstrated zero knowledge of tennis in your posts so far, so there is no reason to think that this is leading anywhere meaningful. And you clearly believe whatever you want to believe whatever anyone says, so I'll just leave you to your dream world. Have a nice life!

LOL, Flaviafan - Junior member.. fake profile created just to troll around in this thread.. Always makes me :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: at the number of members too scared to post certain BS opinions under their real username...

Monzanator
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:23 PM
So what gives, people blame Wozniacki's consistency for spoiling the rankings yet give Stosur a credit for her consistency as a varrant asset in her ranking? As much I'm trying to like Stosur's fanbase, one title all year (even a Slam) is not worthy more than Rank 6-10. Gaston Gaudio couldn't crack Top 10 even though he was a Slam winner too :haha: Stosur's ranking is fine and shouldn't really be any higher :shrug: Yeah, she owns Li Na, but Li actually won more titles this year, also including a Slam. There's nowhere Stosur can go. Even Sharapova had more titles and racked up 1000 pts more despite playing six less events :shrug: I think YE #6 for Stosur is actually perfect.

NeKo
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:30 PM
Sam needs to work on that backhand....that is her breaking point. Her service is one of the greatest so is her forehand when she has a good day.

edificio
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:33 PM
Sam's ranking seems fine, but if he wants to motivate her by bringing this injustice to public attention, so be it. :rolleyes:

Uranus
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:46 PM
Actually she could be holding two slams at a time if she wins RG. And she's one of the top favourites there.

C. Drone
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:01 PM
her match against Dinara is worst match of year.
she should feel lucky ranked so high.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:31 PM
Sam's ranking seems fine, but if he wants to motivate her by bringing this injustice to public attention, so be it. :rolleyes:

For god's sake will people stop putting words in Dave's mouth? Where in the article did he say anything about injustice? Several times in the recent past he's been openly critical of Sam for not performing consistently to her ability, and he's been glowing in his praise for those players who were achieving good results on a consistent basis. As a coach all he's trying to do is show a bit of healthy ambition and hopefully spur Sam on to improve her results and her ranking. You're free to disagree with his opinion on this, but if you try to portray him as some kind of arrogant arsehole you're barking up the wrong tree.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:45 PM
So what gives, people blame Wozniacki's consistency for spoiling the rankings yet give Stosur a credit for her consistency as a varrant asset in her ranking? As much I'm trying to like Stosur's fanbase, one title all year (even a Slam) is not worthy more than Rank 6-10. Gaston Gaudio couldn't crack Top 10 even though he was a Slam winner too :haha: Stosur's ranking is fine and shouldn't really be any higher :shrug: Yeah, she owns Li Na, but Li actually won more titles this year, also including a Slam. There's nowhere Stosur can go. Even Sharapova had more titles and racked up 1000 pts more despite playing six less events :shrug: I think YE #6 for Stosur is actually perfect.

Dave never said she deserved to be ranked higher than she is. He believes she's one of the favorites for the AO title, but he would be one of the first to admit that she's not going to do that playing like she did for the first two thirds of this year. She has to be more consistent, so the article is as much directed at Sam as at anyone else. And what we Stosur fans are mainly doing here is trying to correct people like you who are reading things into the article that simply aren't there, or even worse, people unlike you who aren't satisfied with suggesting that the #6 rank is fine, but who want to claim she should be ranked #30. As I've stated above, we're fine with not everying liking Sam, but like any player's fans we get pretty pissed off when people start spouting a load of bullshit about her or her coach.

sweetpeas
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:57 PM
And and and!

marineblue
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:18 PM
Dave, Dave, they cannot just gift her a high ranking because she won a slam.:rolleyes:

Monzanator
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:55 PM
Dave never said she deserved to be ranked higher than she is. He believes she's one of the favorites for the AO title, but he would be one of the first to admit that she's not going to do that playing like she did for the first two thirds of this year. She has to be more consistent, so the article is as much directed at Sam as at anyone else. And what we Stosur fans are mainly doing here is trying to correct people like you who are reading things into the article that simply aren't there, or even worse, people unlike you who aren't satisfied with suggesting that the #6 rank is fine, but who want to claim she should be ranked #30. As I've stated above, we're fine with not everying liking Sam, but like any player's fans we get pretty pissed off when people start spouting a load of bullshit about her or her coach.

Ok then, but I can't help the feeling that the mindgames before AO have begun already ;)

Kairi
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:09 PM
she should be much lower tbqh :oh:

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:46 PM
No :lol: Someone's following tennis enough to say Stosur has lost to Gajdosova, Kuznetsova, Dulko and Czink (:spit:), and her overall record this year isn't that good :lol:
You can say what you want, but Stosur was lucky to do what she did and to be at that place in the rankings, so her coach should just shut up and enjoy the lucky moment :)

She's 7-3 against top 5 players. Find someone better, Hiantroll. :bigwave:


Why do I always find some Stosur's fans trying hard to convince everybody to like her. Really.

Stosur fans are not trying to make anyone "like" her. You can hate the way her muscles rip and the way she struts around court for all you want. :lol: But saying she is "lucky" to be ranked at 6 is a bunch of bullshit. Who wins a Grand Slam by luck? Look at her matches and how long she had to play on court. She didn't just beat a sub-par Serena... she whipped her sorry ass. Judging by the number of animated gifs Serena fans post in this thread, they still can't get over it. :oh:

All players have bad losses throughout a year. Singling out Sam's bad losses is no different to singling out Kvitova's, Wozniacki's or Li's bad losses.

The USO was a great tournament, but Sam did not need to depend on it to stay in the top 20. She had good runs in Dubai and Cincinnati and finals in Toronto, Rome and Osaka. My posts are written to support Dave and point out the idiocy in some of the posts. I have better things to do with my time than make people like Sam.

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:58 PM
You have to win more than one title a year to be ranked higher :shrug:. And she lost before the QF at all of the slams (including first round of Wimbledon) except the US. What else can be said? :shrug:

Sammo
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:59 PM
You have to win more than one title a year to be ranked higher :shrug:. And she lost before the QF at all of the slams (including first round of Wimbledon) except the US. What else can be said? :shrug:

Then the same can be said for Kvitova, she's not the real number 1, the real number 1 is Wozniacki :oh:

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:04 PM
Then the same can be said for Kvitova, she's not the real number 1, the real number 1 is Wozniacki :oh:
I don't understand :confused::lol:.

tennisforadults
Oct 31st, 2011, 10:05 PM
You have to win more than one title a year to be ranked higher :shrug:. And she lost before the QF at all of the slams (including first round of Wimbledon) except the US. What else can be said? :shrug:

Again, Stosur's coach Dave DID NOT say she should be ranked higher. He said she would be considered a top 4 contender for the Australian Open.

ZODIAC
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:56 AM
She will win nothing in Australia because her win in NY was a fluke,she will lose early because she doesnt play well in Australia and is not as good as he claims.He is talking too much...and someone like Stosur who seems to be very private doesnt need a blabbermouth like that.
I can safely say she will not win AO12 AND they will make her play Serena or Venus...

The Kaz
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:01 AM
her match against Dinara is worst match of year.
she should feel lucky ranked so high.

Coming from a Caro fan... :spit:

Christina McHale??

Oh the irony :hysteric:

The Kaz
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:03 AM
Then the same can be said for Kvitova, she's not the real number 1, the real number 1 is Wozniacki :oh:

I know :facepalm:

The IQs of some people on this board must be atrocious :facepalm:

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:43 AM
She will win nothing in Australia because her win in NY was a fluke,she will lose early because she doesnt play well in Australia and is not as good as he claims.He is talking too much...and someone like Stosur who seems to be very private doesnt need a blabbermouth like that.
I can safely say she will not win AO12 AND they will make her play Serena or Venus...

You really don't know the first thing about Dave do you? If you did you wouldn't post a comment like this. Even without knowing him you could have known this was a silly thing to say, because you know Sam is a very private person. Can you imagine someone like Sam choosing (and flourishing under) a coach who is a blabbermouth? And what is so objectional about what he said? A real blabbermouth might say something like "I can safely say she will win AO12 ...".

Jajaloo
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:52 AM
She won't be winning anything in Australia, not if Kvitova has anything to say about it again.

Hopefully she can pull out another two weeks of balls out lesbionic tennis and win the FO :cheer:

ZODIAC
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:03 AM
You really don't know the first thing about Dave do you? If you did you wouldn't post a comment like this. Even without knowing him you could have known this was a silly thing to say, because you know Sam is a very private person. Can you imagine someone like Sam choosing (and flourishing under) a coach who is a blabbermouth? And what is so objectional about what he said? A real blabbermouth might say something like "I can safely say she will win AO12 ...".he was complaining about grunting to the media now he complains about ranking...thats all up to him and his charge to win more.Sam is not that good...she falls apart very easily and if my intuition is right she wont win a slam next year.She is lucky she won when she beat a tired and injured Serena...she won a fluke slam like Myskina,Ivanovic,Schiavone,Na li and Majoli.
He should focus on improving Stosur s boring persona mabe she will be ranked higher.

Philbo
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:30 AM
.She is lucky she won when she beat a tired and injured Serena...she won a fluke slam like Myskina,Ivanovic,Schiavone,Na li and Majoli.


LOL Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate. Serena hadnt lost a set the entire tournament, pulled out of the leadup tournament in the 2nd round and only played 6 tournaments all year. How the hell could she have been tired? Oh and whatever injury you think she had wasnt bad enough to worry her throughout the US Open so you're totally full of shit here.

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:33 AM
LOL Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate. Serena hadnt lost a set the entire tournament, pulled out of the leadup tournament in the 2nd round and only played 6 tournaments all year. How the hell could she have been tired? Oh and whatever injury you think she had wasnt bad enough to worry her throughout the US Open so you're totally full of shit here.

:yeah: Thanks, this saves me having to reply to this drivel!

Svetlana)))
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:34 AM
Pressed SaMANtha fans, you guys should be thanking your lucky stars every second for the rest of your lives that Sam is ranked so high and managed to win a slam.

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:51 AM
Pressed SaMANtha fans, you guys should be thanking your lucky stars every second for the rest of your lives that Sam is ranked so high and managed to win a slam.

Who's pressed? Sam's coach makes some mildly optimistic remarks about his charges chances at the AO, and trolls like you suddenly come out of the woodwork and start posting crap like this.:tape: As soon as you and all the other bitter haters shut up on this thread we'll do the same.

ZODIAC
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:55 AM
LOL Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate. Serena hadnt lost a set the entire tournament, pulled out of the leadup tournament in the 2nd round and only played 6 tournaments all year. How the hell could she have been tired? Oh and whatever injury you think she had wasnt bad enough to worry her throughout the US Open so you're totally full of shit here.Serena nearly died in February 2011,started playing in June and reached final of a slam with a toe injury.
The good thing is Serena will play Stosur in Australia and will beat her infront of her home crowd.:p

Serenus Christ
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:07 AM
LOL Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate. Serena hadnt lost a set the entire tournament, pulled out of the leadup tournament in the 2nd round and only played 6 tournaments all year. How the hell could she have been tired? Oh and whatever injury you think she had wasnt bad enough to worry her throughout the US Open so you're totally full of shit here.

:yeah: Thanks, this saves me having to reply to this drivel!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfev4MNhf1qb0y27.gif

Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl0tvA8FX1qhhmx2.gif

Moveyourfeet
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:12 AM
The good thing is Serena will play Stosur in Australia and will beat her infront of her home crowd.:p

If they meet at the AO, it's not going to be pretty for Stosur. No one plays a grudge match like Serena and you can be sure Serena will be looking to send a message loud and clear to all watching.

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:37 AM
Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.



Thanks for giving a perfect illustration of the drivel I was talking about. You seem to think it's fine for half the trolls in the world (and it's now clear that you're one of them) to spout the most unbelievable crap about Sam and her coach, but as soon as someone posts anything remotely negative about Serena, the world is suddenly too small. Why oh why would a proven champion like Serena need anyone to make excuses for her when she loses? It happens, even to a player as good as her, get over it for god's sake! Pathetic that you feel the need to drag someone like Sam down just to salvage your wounded pride. Serena didn't do that, she was full of praise for Sam after the match. If you love her that much you might consider following her example.

In case you're having trouble grasping what I'm talking about here, let's consider the difference between what Dave Taylor said and what you and others have posted. Dave said that he thought Sam was one of the top 4 or so players with the best chances of winning the AO. Too optimistic? Maybe. Outrageous or arrogant? Hardly, she's ranked six in the world, so at most he's saying her prospects are slightly better than her ranking suggests. On the other side we have the assessment of you and others that she has absolutely no chance of winning the AO and that she only won a slam and reached another final by sheer dumb luck. Too pessimistic? If you believe the opinion of anybody who knows anything at all about tennis: without any doubt in the world. Outrageous and arrogant: ditto. See the difference? (no, of course not:fiery:)

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:39 AM
If they meet at the AO, it's not going to be pretty for Stosur. No one plays a grudge match like Serena and you can be sure Serena will be looking to send a message loud and clear to all watching.

Fair enough as an opinion, we'll see how it pans out. Thanks for not embellishing your opinion with the kind of ugly trash others have included.

winlaw
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:59 AM
Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.


How hypocritical, you, calling out people for being ignorant when you yourself have multiple ignorant comments in your post. If its your opinion that Sam may not ever win a Grand Slam again, let alone another tournament,fine, I have no problem with that. But the way that you love to put shit on anyone who isn't your fave is so incredibly low. Talking complete lies and shit about another is not an effective way to get your point across. In my opinion, Sam deserves to be Top 10 and win multiple tournaments and has the game when on to beat the best, including Serena. But the way you portray anyone you dislike, you make out they're some challenger level 'Mug' or bitch about her 'Manliness'. She beat your fave, so what, it been two months, get the fuck over it.

Svetlana)))
Nov 1st, 2011, 11:24 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfev4MNhf1qb0y27.gif

Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl0tvA8FX1qhhmx2.gif

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkwgi2GFOp1qgb44h.gif
Bow your heads and eyes on the floor now SaMANtha fans.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:46 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfev4MNhf1qb0y27.gif

Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl0tvA8FX1qhhmx2.gif

:sobbing: i live

danieln1
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:59 PM
Hopefully she can draw Kimberly early and Stosur can trash her there :(

Philbo
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:16 PM
Serena nearly died in February 2011,started playing in June and reached final of a slam with a toe injury.
The good thing is Serena will play Stosur in Australia and will beat her infront of her home crowd.:p
Maybe she will beat Sam in Oz. Who's arguing that Sam will never lose to Serena again? Certainly not me. But it wont take away Sam laying a complete and utter ass whipping on Serena in front of her home crowd on the anniversary of 9/11 so if this happens, I guess they'll be pretty close to even ;)



Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.



Boring, pathetic excuses. Serena came BACK from the near death experience, won 2 tournaments and romped through the whole US Open draw without losing a set and here you are trying to act like a bloody toe injury was the difference during the match.

Pathetic. Clutching. At. Straws. Outplayed by a better player on the day and the only people who cant admit this are diehard Serena fans.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 1st, 2011, 01:44 PM
Maybe she will beat Sam in Oz. Who's arguing that Sam will never lose to Serena again? Certainly not me. But it wont take away Sam laying a complete and utter ass whipping on Serena in front of her home crowd on the anniversary of 9/11 so if this happens, I guess they'll be pretty close to even ;)



Boring, pathetic excuses. Serena came BACK from the near death experience, won 2 tournaments and romped through the whole US Open draw without losing a set and here you are trying to act like a bloody toe injury was the difference during the match.

Pathetic. Clutching. At. Straws. Outplayed by a better player on the day and the only people who cant admit this are diehard Serena fans.

umm serena got treated for her toe in the woz match....then wore flats to fashion shows etc for a few weeks afterwards (when was the last time you saw that? exactly, when the toe was an issue):confused: who has to clutch at straws when she also got to her hotel at like 4 in the morning of a slam final :o sam played fine, but let's not act like serena was there 100% and now sam is some goddess who can't be beaten

like you said, she romped through the summer draws....that's what caused the flare up that needed treatment during her sf match

Philbo
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:49 PM
umm serena got treated for her toe in the woz match....then wore flats to fashion shows etc for a few weeks afterwards (when was the last time you saw that? exactly, when the toe was an issue):confused: who has to clutch at straws when she also got to her hotel at like 4 in the morning of a slam final :o sam played fine, but let's not act like serena was there 100% and now sam is some goddess who can't be beaten

like you said, she romped through the summer draws....that's what caused the flare up that needed treatment during her sf match

Sorry, if the toe was so bad maybe she should have stayed off it for the few weeks after the USO rather than 'wearing flats to fashion shows' if it were as bad and had such a decisive effect on the outcome of the match as a few Rena fans are trying to portray. :lol::lol::lol:

Come September, pretty much 100% of the players on tour go into every match carrying some niggling injury and they ALL play through discomfort by that stage of the year. Trying to act as if some toe injury was the crucial factor in that completely one sided final reeks of a lack of class and plain old sour grapes... Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves (like using a sore toe as an excuse...)

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:55 PM
Sorry, if the toe was so bad maybe she should have stayed off it for the few weeks after the USO rather than 'wearing flats to fashion shows' if it were as bad and had such a decisive effect on the outcome of the match as a few Rena fans are trying to portray. :lol::lol::lol:

Come September, pretty much 100% of the players on tour go into every match carrying some niggling injury and they ALL play through discomfort by that stage of the year. Trying to act as if some toe injury was the crucial factor in that completely one sided final reeks of a lack of class and plain old sour grapes... Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves (like using a sore toe as an excuse...)

umm she attended fashion shows that she's paid to attend :lol: idiot and yes, a toe that needed surgery to stop it from drooping, when flaring up, can cause problems for a player who depends on being able to defend....but nice that you see it as just "some toe injury" :lol:

Serenus Christ
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:06 PM
Come September, pretty much 100% of the players on tour go into every match carrying some niggling injury and they ALL play through discomfort by that stage of the year. Trying to act as if some toe injury was the crucial factor in that completely one sided final reeks of a lack of class and plain old sour grapes... Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves (like using a sore toe as an excuse...)

I'm sorry, when is having multiple blood clots (thus being on blood thinners) and having a pulmonary embolism resulting in emergency treatment for a hematoma in the same year a 'niggling injury'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lthgofpjKk1qhg2lf.gif

get out.

Jane Lane
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:10 PM
This thread is peak TF. :bowdown:

Apoleb
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:24 PM
The Stosur fans going through the 2007 Justard experience. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kairi
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:38 PM
Sorry, if the toe was so bad maybe she should have stayed off it for the few weeks after the USO rather than 'wearing flats to fashion shows' if it were as bad and had such a decisive effect on the outcome of the match as a few Rena fans are trying to portray. :lol::lol::lol:

Come September, pretty much 100% of the players on tour go into every match carrying some niggling injury and they ALL play through discomfort by that stage of the year. Trying to act as if some toe injury was the crucial factor in that completely one sided final reeks of a lack of class and plain old sour grapes... Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves (like using a sore toe as an excuse...)

:facepalm: some injury...this same 'injury' almost resulted in her DEATH you mentally deficient moron :unsure: how many players can say that they came back within MONTHS of almost dying and reach the final of a grandslam(their home GS btw) only to be screwed over by the schedule. Sam played great in the final, no denying it..but if you watch any of Serena's matches previously, you would clearly see her movement was horrible. The toe injury WAS a contributing factor to the mess that was the Final, stop acting like it wasn't.

stromatolite
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:21 PM
:facepalm: some injury...this same 'injury' almost resulted in her DEATH you mentally deficient moron :unsure: how many players can say that they came back within MONTHS of almost dying and reach the final of a grandslam(their home GS btw) only to be screwed over by the schedule. Sam played great in the final, no denying it..but if you watch any of Serena's matches previously, you would clearly see her movement was horrible. The toe injury WAS a contributing factor to the mess that was the Final, stop acting like it wasn't.

Back the fuck off!!! Nobody is trivializing Serena's illness, it was terrible and a great relief for everyone when she recovered well enough to get back on court. It only has nothing to do with her losing this match, apart from it contributing to a possible lack of match preparation. But that's something all players have to deal with from time to time: all have injuries, illnesses and whatnot that can affect the number of matches they get to play coming into a tournament. Although Serena deserved all the concern in the world when she was ill, if she was back playing, she must have been well enough, and she was certainly well enough to thrash all opposition leading up to the final, so this is not an issue that should be dragged into this discussion at all. The most she had to deal with in this particular match was a sore toe and fatigue from her previous night's match. But Sam only came off court a couple of hours before Serena did, played a much longer match, and spent something like 4 hours longer than Serena did on court throughout the tournament. So WTF kind of pathetic excuse is this for losing a match? To understand why it is so deeply pathetic, imagine the roles were reversed: Sam came off court last, had a sore toe, got thrashed by Serena, and Stosur fans started saying, yes but it wasn't a fair match, if Sam had been fresher and didn't have a sore toe she would have won easily. How would you have reacted to that? Honest answer please.

Sp!ffy
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:26 PM
Serena fans will be using the lame toe excuse for the rest of her career. To think they actually mock Masha fans for a real injury that she didnt get by being a drunk.

Annie.
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:40 PM
Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://i44.tinypic.com/mcc9xc.gif

Annie.
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:48 PM
Serena fans will be using the lame toe excuse for the rest of her career. To think they actually mock Masha fans for a real injury that she didnt get by being a drunk.


:spit:

1. shoulder
2. ankle
3. rust

See you all in 2012. :wavey:

Sp!ffy
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:48 PM
I remember the days when you'd get banned for calling Serena a man because of the thousands of Rena fans that would report you....and now thats all they call Stosur. :lol: Pure hypocrisy.

Sp!ffy
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:50 PM
:spit:

Obviously I was joking about the shoulder. I'm not as pathetic as some of you all...I don't need to go searching for something to justify every Maria loss. Were the "classy" fanbase. :)

Kairi
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:52 PM
Serena fans will be using the lame toe excuse for the rest of her career. To think they actually mock Masha fans for a real injury that she didnt get by being a drunk.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: oh the irony...

Obviously I was joking about the shoulder. I'm not as pathetic as some of you all...I don't need to go searching for something to justify every Maria loss. Were the "classy" fanbase. :)
:hysteric: i cant...

Sp!ffy
Nov 1st, 2011, 04:58 PM
Obviously I was joking about the shoulder. I'm not as pathetic as some of you all...I don't need to go searching for something to justify every Maria loss. Were the "classy" fanbase. :)

:worship:

ExXotikal
Nov 1st, 2011, 05:48 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfev4MNhf1qb0y27.gif

Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl0tvA8FX1qhhmx2.gif

Wait...lemme have a seat

http://i51.tinypic.com/1580409.jpg

Galsen
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:14 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfev4MNhf1qb0y27.gif

Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl0tvA8FX1qhhmx2.gif

:worship::worship::worship:

Sp!ffy
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:16 PM
I don't want to be rude but is Serenus Christ, Serena Atilla, and frenchie chick all the same person? :scratch:

Kairi
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:24 PM
:facepalm: no.........

Sp!ffy
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:29 PM
Ok thank you. I've been wondering for over a year..

Beat
Nov 1st, 2011, 06:53 PM
wow, this thread has seriously derailed. serena fans ... :hysteric:

Keadz
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:01 PM
I don't think Serenus Christ has been getting enough Serena fans backing him up, so let me play the role for a minute.....

:hysteric:

OH GURRRLL!

SO MUCH LIFE.

I CAN'T, I JUST CAN'T.

*insert generic gif*

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Well argued Serena fans....

Kairi
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:07 PM
#KeadzFAIL :hysteric:

Keadz
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:12 PM
:hysteric: #omggggawd

Sammo
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:04 PM
I don't think Serenus Christ has been getting enough Serena fans backing him up, so let me play the role for a minute.....

:hysteric:

OH GURRRLL!

SO MUCH LIFE.

I CAN'T, I JUST CAN'T.

*insert generic gif*

----------------------------------/
Well argued Serena fans....

:spit:

joanyjo
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:56 PM
For the ranking, it only matters if a player is among top 8 in the grand slam. No.3 or No.6 means nothing..

JoPova
Nov 1st, 2011, 09:04 PM
Stosur is a great player and certainly deserves a place in the top 10, but I think that her current ranking is appropriate. Moreover she doesn't need any extra pressure coming from an even higher ranking!

Chip.
Nov 1st, 2011, 10:43 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrfev4MNhf1qb0y27.gif

Okay let me tell you this plain and SIMPLE so your google translator, translates this into whatever messed up, out of this world, dumb ass language you speak, mhm.

'Serena had her ass handed to her on a plate'.. The only thing that was handed on a plate was the mother fucking Halloween makeup sent to saMANtha stosur for her winners photoshoot.

Now do you, or do you not know what a pulmonary embolism is? It's a big word so I DOUBT it will translate into that drivel language you speak of. Well that embolism kept her out from doing everything from fitness to playing. Just shutup.

Oh and that injury came from her toe, yes the one she cut and was the reason and cause for her pulmonary embolism and thus caused her to miss out on WINNING four grandslams this year. I don't know if you watch tennis but she actually had an injury time out against Wozniacki in the semi-finals, just HOURS before her final because of the horrible scheduling.

Your pressed and KNOWING that Mugsur will never get her raggedy, un-attended too fingers on another grand-slam trophy again.
Heck she would be pushing for Nagasaki or whatever that irrelevant, non-caring tournament is called.

Just FYI, remember to turn the ignorant button off when posting again, its the switch on your computer with the round dot that says 'off'.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl0tvA8FX1qhhmx2.gif

:hysteric:

Philbo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 09:41 AM
I'm sorry, when is having multiple blood clots (thus being on blood thinners) and having a pulmonary embolism resulting in emergency treatment for a hematoma in the same year a 'niggling injury'.

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get out.
Obviously I was referring TO HER TOE THAT PATHETIC SERENA FANS ARE USING AS AN EXCUSE for getting her ass kicked in the USO final. Is that clear enough?
:facepalm: some injury...this same 'injury' almost resulted in her DEATH you mentally deficient moron :unsure: how many players can say that they came back within MONTHS of almost dying and reach the final of a grandslam(their home GS btw) only to be screwed over by the schedule. Sam played great in the final, no denying it..but if you watch any of Serena's matches previously, you would clearly see her movement was horrible. The toe injury WAS a contributing factor to the mess that was the Final, stop acting like it wasn't.

A TOE INJURY nearly caused death? F_Ck me, what happened to her toe that nearly killed her?

Serena had obviously recovered (thank GOD!) from her near death experience. She had been back on tour for 6 months, and won titles. The injury that Im referring to is the injury some of Serena's more pathetic fans are trying to use to explain away a heavy loss she suffered to a player that obviously gives her problems from their very close H2H.

Serena was outplayed by a far better player on the day. Live with it. Deal with it.

ZODIAC
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:47 AM
Stosur is not that good and 2012 will highlight her weaknesses,she will not defend USO12 because it was a fluke win,in fact that will be her last slam...just like Na li and Schiavone

Philbo
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:51 AM
Stosur is not that good and 2012 will highlight her weaknesses,she will not defend USO12 because it was a fluke win,in fact that will be her last slam...just like Na li and Schiavone
Her run to the title may well prove to be a 'fluke' if she never repeats it.

But laying the smackdown on Serena in the final was no fluke. You just have to view their H2H to see Stosur, as shit as you claim she is, still gives Serena plenty of problems most times they play :wavey:

ElusiveChanteuse
Jan 9th, 2012, 01:55 PM
I guess it still doesn't do her justice.:oh:

ZODIAC
Jan 9th, 2012, 02:32 PM
with the beatdowns she is getting she will lose early at AO12...its not going to be easy for her in 2012

Patrick345
Jan 9th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Stosur is not that good and 2012 will highlight her weaknesses,she will not defend USO12 because it was a fluke win,in fact that will be her last slam...just like Na li and Schiavone

Still doesn´t make it a fluke. Her results are simpy consistent with her performances in Australia before she won a Slam. The surface, the heat, the pressure at home, early in the season. Whatever it is, she has rarely performed in Australia. People seem to forget that Stosur lost to Clijsters in the 2010 US Open, because she couldn´t hold serve once in the 3rd set. How often does Stosur break somebody three times in a set and loses it? Since she has broken through she has performed at the French and US Open, but not at the other Slams.

Moveyourfeet
Jan 17th, 2012, 11:46 AM
What a dumb coach. Putting more pressure on the already immense pressure there is for her to perform at her home slam.

Called it, lol.

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2012, 11:48 AM
All these bumps :lol:.

chingching
Jan 17th, 2012, 12:42 PM
Makes him look like suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuch an idiot doesnt it?

Yoncé
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:04 PM
Awks turts

samsam4087
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:07 PM
Idiot coach

BlueTrees
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:25 PM
And her performance today didn't do justice to her Top 50 ranking. :spit:

Kairi
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:47 PM
HE's DAMN RIGHT........ IT SHOULD BE LOWER! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Galsen
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:48 PM
HE's DAMN RIGHT........ IT SHOULD BE LOWER! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

:bigcry:

Pops Maellard
Feb 20th, 2012, 01:20 AM
:oh:

claypova
Feb 20th, 2012, 04:25 AM
what was the point of bumping this? :scratch:

SilverPersian
Feb 20th, 2012, 04:35 AM
what was the point of bumping this? :scratch:

Schaedenfreude.

Pops Maellard
Feb 20th, 2012, 04:38 AM
Because it keeps on being proven how ridiculous this statement was :lol:.

Theodoropen
Feb 20th, 2012, 04:49 AM
what was the point of bumping this? :scratch:

Schaedenfreude.

You took the word(s) right out of my mouth. :worship:

That's the reason for bumping this thread in a nutshell.

tennisforadults
Feb 20th, 2012, 08:35 AM
Schaedenfreude.

:lol:

Someone leads a sad sad life.

young_gunner913
Feb 20th, 2012, 08:38 AM
what was the point of bumping this? :scratch:

A failed attempt at trying to be cute. :shrug:

stromatolite
Feb 20th, 2012, 09:24 AM
Because it keeps on being proven how ridiculous this statement was :lol:.

All that keeps on being proven is what a sad pathetic individual you are. This whole thread was just a fabricated excuse for a bunch of bitter haters like you to beat on Sam. You can agree or disagree with Dave Taylor's statement, but it was never outrageous. It's pretty much in line with the kind of things coaches in general say about their charges in the hope to spur them on to better results. Her early loss in Australia doesn't change that, and her loss to Vika, who has thrashed all comers all year, certainly doesn't.

Towanda
Feb 20th, 2012, 09:31 AM
All that keeps on being proven is what a sad pathetic individual you are. This whole thread was just a fabricated excuse for a bunch of bitter haters like you to beat on Sam. You can agree or disagree with Dave Taylor's statement, but it was never outrageous. It's pretty much in line with the kind of things coaches in general say. Her early loss in Australia doesn't change that, and her loss to Vika, who has thrashed all comers all year, certainly doesn't.

Yep, and these sad pathetic individuals will keep bumping this thread every time Sam loses. Nevermind that Dave never said that Sam should be ranked higher. All he said was that she has the ability to beat the top players and was one of a few players who could be considered favorites at the AO. Sadly, the poor reading comprehension among most GM regulars means that when some idiot writes a misleading topic title all the other idiots jump on it as if that topic title is fact.