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Leo_DFP
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:23 PM
I don't want to exaggerate the connection, but there are definite parallels between Kvitova's breakthrough year and Roger Federer's breakthrough year in 2003. Like Roger, Kvitova showed flashes of brilliance early in the season, won a top-tier clay court title, played great tennis to win Wimbledon, slumped listlessly after the W title throughout the summer and fall before regaining form to shut out the competition at the year-ending championships. Both ended as year-end #2s BUT the only players to claim more than one of the five biggest events (Wimbledon & YEC). Neither did this as a teenager but have been known potentials for some time.

Of course, Kvitova's USO disaster was far greater than Federer's (1R vs. 4R) and her YEC form was not quite as peak (Federer demolished Agassi and the rest with sublime tennis), but the similarities are there. Will she do in 2012 what Federer did in 2004? Will she be able to fix her focus and consistency issues on the court as quickly and dramatically as Federer did between '03 and '04? Very unlikely. But it is possible that this 2011 season serves as a spring-board and sign of things to come for the next 5 years like Federer's 03. From here, Kvitova could become a clear #1 force for half a decade.

Fighterpova
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:34 PM
She will do in 2012 what Graf did in 1988 :oh:

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:39 PM
Hope she won't lose next year to a teenage pusher at miami as world no.1 :o

Imperfect Angel
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:44 PM
Two years before both of their breakthrough, both had done something significant as well. Federer, as we all know, beat Wimbledon King Pete Sampras in 2001, whereas in 2009, Petra beat #1 and in form Dinara Safina in the USO (well, not so significant compared to Fed's but at least she's done some upset to show her potential.:oh:)

pierce85
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Two years before both of their breakthrough, both had done something significant as well. Federer, as we all know, beat Wimbledon King Pete Sampras in 2001, whereas in 2009, Petra beat #1 and in form Dinara Safina in the USO (well, not so significant compared to Fed's but at least she's done some upset to show her potential.:oh:)

Comparing beating Sampras to beating Safina :lol:

pesto
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Heh. My partner was saying exactly the same thing about Kvitova as we watched the final.

Didn't Fed then hit no. 1 for the first time after winning Oz?

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Do not compare Roger to this woman. :hysteric:
Petra's year reminds me of a teenage Maria only less talented. :oh:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Do not compare Roger to this woman. :hysteric:
Petra's year reminds me of a teenage Maria only less talented. :oh:

:oh:

égalité
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:58 PM
Comparing beating Sampras to beating Safina :lol:

Seriously. :lol: Sampras never won Rome and Madrid :oh:

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Imperfect Angel
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Do not compare Roger to this woman. :hysteric:
Petra's year reminds me of a teenage Maria only less talented. :oh:

:oh:

Less talented?:facepalm: Maria can't even hit a dropshot.:oh:

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:00 PM
Do not compare Roger to this woman. :hysteric:
Petra's year reminds me of a teenage Maria only less talented. :oh:

Petra's way more talented than Maria :lol:

dsanders06
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:02 PM
Honestly I was thinking earlier that I was getting vibes of Federer's '03. And I really think it's possible (not saying I'm predicting it, just that it's possible), that she'll win Wimbledon, the US Open and the AO next year, just like Federer in '04.

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Less talented?:facepalm: Maria can't even hit a dropshot.:oh:

Teenage Maria would've wrecked Petra.

pierce85
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Honestly I was thinking earlier that I was getting vibes of Federer's '03. And I really think it's possible (not saying I'm predicting it, just that it's possible), that she'll win Wimbledon, the US Open and the AO next year, just like Federer in '04.

Why not include Roland Garros and the Olympic gold in there? It's not like your scenario is realistic :oh:

Leo_DFP
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Heh. My partner was saying exactly the same thing about Kvitova as we watched the final.

Didn't Fed then hit no. 1 for the first time after winning Oz?

Yes.

I would still consider Serena an early heavy favorite for Oz, but Kvitova's definitely in the top conversation with Azarenka, Clijsters, and Serena - and could leave as #1 with or without a title.

Excelscior
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Comparing beating Sampras to beating Safina :lol:

She also beat Venus in 2008, if that makes it better for you. :) :)

Imperfect Angel
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:08 PM
Teenage Maria = Current Vika:oh:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Teenage Maria = Current Vika:oh:

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.:hysteric:

Knizzle
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:26 PM
She could, but two words SERENA and WILLIAMS.

Trih
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Teenage Maria = Current Vika:oh:

:lol:
3 GS before turning 21 vs. 0 GS at 22, I love Vika, I really do, but Masha was another category.

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:32 PM
:lol:
3 GS before turning 21 vs. 0 GS at 22, I love Vika, I really do, but Masha was another category.

This and a 17 year old Masha accomplished all of what a 21 year old Petra did this year. :hearts:

duhcity
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:33 PM
lol please.
I hate Federer, but he had/has a complete game that is versatile in all situations. All he had to fix was his attitude.
Petra has one game - hit hard and come into the net when possible. She's been adding more touch to her game, but she's still a ways from being a tennis virtuoso.

Betten
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:43 PM
I think she's more like Sharapova in 2004. Both won Wimbledon (handily beating an established champion in straights sets), the YEC and three other tournaments in their breakout years, and both won the WTA's Best Newcomer award the year before that.

moby
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Hope she won't lose next year to a teenage pusher at miami as world no.1 :o
McHale. :worship:

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:46 PM
This and a 17 year old Masha accomplished all of what a 21 year old Petra did this year. :hearts:

This :yeah:.

Nicolás89
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:49 PM
This and a 17 year old Masha accomplished all of what a 21 year old Petra did this year. :hearts:

17 year old Hingis accomplished way more than both of these girls, your point?

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:54 PM
17 year old Hingis accomplished way more than both of these girls, your point?

My point is that I don't see anything that would suggest that Petra is more talented than Maria. This should be evident if you would've read and comprehended the discussion.:rolleyes:

laurie
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Seriously. :lol: Sampras never won Rome and Madrid :oh:

Sampras won Rome in 1994.

Madrid wasn't around in 1994 anyway, it only started in 2009. How long have you been watching tennis?

Nicolás89
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:07 PM
My point is that I don't see anything that would suggest that Petra is more talented than Maria. This should be evident if you would've read and comprehended the discussion.:rolleyes:

Since when accomplishment = talent?

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:12 PM
Since when accomplishment = talent?

I didn't claim that accomplishment=talent. Would you deny that the state of being talented is causally related to the state of having accomplishments?

Mikey B
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:18 PM
more like sharapova 04. i just hope she doesn't end up like maria, everyone expected her to be the next big thing and sweep all tournaments, but she didn't make another slam final for two years and has been a lot less dominant than everyone first anticipated. if petra can bag another slam/slams next year then i think she'll be writing her own history, not being compared to anyone else.

égalité
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Sampras won Rome in 1994.

Madrid wasn't around in 1994 anyway, it only started in 2009. How long have you been watching tennis?

Oh my god I can't :hysteric:

laurie
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:25 PM
more like sharapova 04. i just hope she doesn't end up like maria, everyone expected her to be the next big thing and sweep all tournaments, but she didn't make another slam final for two years and has been a lot less dominant than everyone first anticipated. if petra can bag another slam/slams next year then i think she'll be writing her own history, not being compared to anyone else.

That's more probably what certain sections of the media were hoping. The reality is that Sharapova has too many deficiencies in her game to be dominant.

What are those deficiences?

Her movement is good but not the best compared to her rivals during the mid 2000s. Also Maria's net play is not good enough, well she hardly ventures there anyway. Look at her rivals then - Henin, Davenport, Mauresmo, Clijsters, Serena, Venus - all good net players.

Now that some of these players have retired or on their way out, Sharapova's shoulder problems have diminished her serving ability, and she's never improved other areas of her game, she's not dominating as some would have hoped. But I don't think Sharapova was as talented as those names I've mentioned anyway and now she has contend with hungry young up and coming players.

spencercarlos
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:48 PM
Sampras won Rome in 1994.

Madrid wasn't around in 1994 anyway, it only started in 2009. How long have you been watching tennis?
Madrid was around from 1972 to 1994 on clay.

The winner in 1994? no other than Thomas Muster.. :p

The next editions of Madrid then came in 2002 to 2008 on indoors. and in 2009 it switched to clay again.

laurie
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Madrid was around from 1972 to 1994 on clay.

The winner in 1994? no other than Thomas Muster.. :p

The next editions of Madrid then came in 2002 to 2008 on indoors. and in 2009 it switched to clay again.

Yes but the Madrid this chap is talking about is the big Masters tournament.

Sampras was never going to play the smaller clay event anyway! So that guys post was a waste of time, he also said Sampras never won Rome and I corrected him on that too.

So :p

égalité
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:18 PM
You didn't CORRECT me, I was referencing this:

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Bitches is LATE !!! http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/icon_shake.gif

Kworb
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Even the thought of Kverberus with double digit Slams fills me with dread.

Steven.
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Hingis, Sharapova and Clijsters are more talented than Kvitova BUT Kvitova will probably win more slams if we look at the competition she has these days as well as the time left for her to accumulate slams. Don't think she'll ever win the USO or RG, but AO and Wimbledon are within her grasp.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:24 PM
Can we stop with the usual TF overaction. Lets enjoy the win and make no claims or comparision to other players. Let her story play out how it will.

laurie
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:26 PM
You didn't CORRECT me, I was referencing this:

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Bitches is LATE !!! http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/icon_shake.gif

Oh you're too clever :devil:

metamorpha
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:39 PM
Shades of Federer in 2003... I can feel that also. But I guess Serena would disagree. Next year she would hear more of those hypes surrounding Kvitova, asked by press about "changing of the guard" blah blah and I'm sure she would like to question.

No1Curr
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:14 PM
Less talented?:facepalm: Maria can't even hit a dropshot.:oh:

Maria has very little natural talent.

metamorpha
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:32 PM
Maria has very little natural talent.

Not THAT little actually. She owned Davenport and Justine had rough time with her in the past.

Thanks big time to her tall figure and mental fortitude...

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Not THAT little actually. She owned Davenport and Justine had rough time with her in the past.

Thanks big time to her tall figure and mental fortitude...

And this doesn't apply to Petra?:lol::lol:

metamorpha
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:46 PM
And this doesn't apply to Petra?:lol::lol:

Petra is more talented BUT... Maria's mental fortitude is really great.

mac47
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:54 AM
Maria's mental fortitude is overrated. True, she has some fight, but most of what some people take for fortitude is actually just her looking grim and dour when she's down. See the Wimbledon final for real mental fortitude: Kvitova not being shaken when broken to open the match, calmly putting the kibosh on Maria's attempted comeback in the second by breaking again, and serving out the final game to love with an ace. Nerves of steel.

metamorpha
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:46 AM
Maria's mental fortitude is overrated. True, she has some fight, but most of what some people take for fortitude is actually just her looking grim and dour when she's down. See the Wimbledon final for real mental fortitude: Kvitova not being shaken when broken to open the match, calmly putting the kibosh on Maria's attempted comeback in the second by breaking again, and serving out the final game to love with an ace. Nerves of steel.

Yeah, right! Absolutely. If we go with this example, then all her matches with Li Na lately should be better example than this... so Li also has nerves of titanium.