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pov
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:31 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news;_ylt=AsgUPaYNvE0Sprc3sEipCIE4v7YF?slug=afp-tennis_wta_championships_grunting_20111030

Grunting won’t go away, says women’s tennis chief

Grunting tennis players won't be quietening down any time soon, according to Stacey Allaster, the chief executive of the Women’s Tennis Association.

World number one Caroline Wozniacki of Denmark last week hit out at rival players who grunt while playing, equating the practice to a form of cheating.

However the loud noises are part of hitting a tennis ball and will remain so, according the leader of the women’s tour.

"I thought we had got away from this," Allaster responded, when asked if the WTA was doing anything about the aesthetically displeasing noises some spectators say they dislike.

"Grunting is part of our sport—full stop," she emphasised. "Athletes hitting the ball as hard as they do, will do it. Women do it, and men do it, and they will continue to do it."

Speaking on the final day of the association's season-ending tournament, the WTA Championships, Allaster nevertheless admitted she was mindful of reactions from spectators who, according to the WTA's statistics, are watching women's tennis in increasing numbers.

The issue of grunting was included on the WTA board's agenda for the first time when it met at the US Open New York in September, she said. It decided to look at "what it could and could not do."

Allaster continued: "It is true that there is an increase in fan communication to me about some of the grunting. But I wonder if enhanced technology, digital sound, is part of the issue.

"No-one is doing it on purpose. It's the way that they train," she asserted, referring to the fact that players are encouraged by some coaches to exhale when striking the ball, usually as an aid to a greater impact.

However Allaster's words contradicted what Wozniacki apparently said four days previously. "I think there are some players who do it on purpose," she was reported as saying.

"They don't do it in practice and then they come into the match and they grunt. I understand if they do it in practice and in matches, that's different. I think they [officials] could definitely cut it."

Wozniacki also appears to think that excessive noise can cause unfair advantage.

"If you grunt really loudly, your opponent cannot hear how you hit the ball," she said.

"Because you think the grunt is so loud, you think the ball is coming fast and suddenly it just goes slowly."

But Allaster pointed out: "I have not had one player come to me to complain about it. It's not bothering the athletes. And we have a hindrance rule in place."

This rule was famously invoked before the 1992 Wimbledon final when Monica Seles was asked to tone down her gasping and grunting, and lost quietly and one-sidedly to Steffi Graf.

Many people believe the inhibition caused by the request contributed to Seles' poor result, and since then the hindrance rule has rarely if ever been invoked in a comparable context.

Allaster nevertheless concluded: "It's what this generation does. But if this becomes a real issue, it may be that it (change) needs to happen in the next generation.

"We will have spent time talking—talking to coaches," Allaster said.

It also revealed how intractable the issue has become. A further obstacle to change is that some women feel that their grunting is highlighted while the noises of male players are overlooked.

pov
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Yes! It's about time. :yeah:

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:38 PM
I like her. She's a good CEO. And people said she would be the same as Larry Scott :rolleyes:

Adrian.
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:43 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news;_ylt=AsgUPaYNvE0Sprc3sEipCIE4v7YF?slug=afp-tennis_wta_championships_grunting_20111030


"No-one is doing it on purpose. It's the way that they train," she asserted, referring to the fact that players are encouraged by some coaches to exhale when striking the ball, usually as an aid to a greater impact.

But Allaster pointed out: "I have not had one player come to me to complain about it. It's not bothering the athletes. And we have a hindrance rule in place."



:facepalm:
Well, we saw what Vika did against Bartoli, or better, didn't.
And what was Cirstea doing during FO when she was playing MLDB? :facepalm:

Balltossovic
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Woz complained about grunting?:o

Maybe she should watch a few vids of herself. She's certainly no Maria, but she's not silent on court, either:shrug:

Talula
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:43 PM
I like her. She's a good CEO. And people said she would be the same as Larry Scott :rolleyes:

Agree. She has the guts to address issues and just say it. Even if people might not like it.

Mistress of Evil
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Good act by her :yeah:

Raiden
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Allaister is pulling nonsense out of her ass.

Look at what is happening the whole year: ALL the slam winners including Kivitova are not grunt-hitters. Today alone Kvitova just literally dismantled the ludicrous idea that grunting helps females in order to hit hard and win prizes. Azarenka proved she was almost as dangerous when she was not screaming at Marion (she might as well consider her "experiment" a success)

Hopefully the youngsters will start looking up to Petra and quit idolizing Pova and the rest of the fruits of the "Florida school" of tennis and thereby quit the screeching cuz I'm skeptical and don't expect Bolletieri and the other academies all around the Everglades will stop teaching it.

Adrian.
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Allaister is pulling nonsense out of her ass.

Look at what is happening: Kivitova just literally dismantling the idea that grunting helps in order to hit hard and win prizes.

Hopefully the youngsters will look at Petra as an example and quit idolizing Pova and the rest of the "fruits of Florida school" and thereby quit the screeching cuz I'm skeptical and don't expect Bolletieri and the other academies all around the Everglades will stop teaching it.

she is doing it after the point, so why should someone complain?
even wozniacka couldn't complain about that, I think allaister is right :oh:

Raiden
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:16 PM
^ You misunderstood the issue in the article

What's at hand is the screaming DURING PLAY and not the various language "come ons" coming after the game points

vixter
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:16 PM
:facepalm:
Well, we saw what Vika did against Bartoli, or better, didn't.
And what was Cirstea doing during FO when she was playing MLDB? :facepalm:

I'm sure that Bartoli was very disturbed by Azarenka's sound of silence.

I don't know what Cirstea did but she just said that no player has come directly to her with complaints, and she surely can't watch every match.

Adrian.
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:17 PM
^ You misunderstood the issue

What's at hand is the screaming DURING PLAY and not the various "come ons"

she doesn't scream during play, otherwise Eva would have called: Hindrance :shrug::scratch::oh:

bobito
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:31 PM
"Grunting is part of our sport—full stop,"

Then why is there a rule in tennis that prohibits it and states that the point should be awarded to the opponent when a player does it? Either change the hindrance rule or enforce it but don't just ignore it.

Apoleb
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:35 PM
The fact of the matter is that she will never take a stand against grunting because many of the top players do it, and it would be too controversial. Especially because of Crapova.

There's not much to "command" and analyze here.

ptkten
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:52 PM
I don't buy that players are affected much by grunting. I've played against big grunters and I don't even notice it really once I start to get into the match. I also think it's partially a sexist thing that male tennis announcers have perpetuated and now it's gotten into the mainstream so people are piling on. Male players grunt, it's just a lower pitched sound so people don't complain as much.

If you are annoyed by the grunting while watching, that's understandable, but to equate it to cheating is ridiculous in my opinion.

manu32
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:01 PM
Navratilova and Jennifer Capriati complained about Seles,a lot of years ago but WTA did nothing,so today..
Ans stop the technology's explanation,that's by far worst around the court than on TV (lowered obviously)..

Sammo
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Fuck yeah. Well said Stacey. I'm starting to like her :)

Adrian.
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:24 PM
You mean Rezai,right? :o

Does it matter? :rolleyes:
There are player, who are complaining about loud grunts :p

John.
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:36 PM
"Grunting is part of our sport—full stop,"

Then why is there a rule in tennis that prohibits it and states that the point should be awarded to the opponent when a player does it? Either change the hindrance rule or enforce it but don't just ignore it.

This!

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:08 PM
NID. Even if she could do something about it (it'd be like trying to stop AIDS TBH) she'd be too chicken :oh:

valac222
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Grunting is not an issue for WTA now. But as soon as TV companies will start complaining about that it will be, and most of us agree , that sound is (or can be) annoying on TV. And if Allaster has to choose between TV coverage or Pova/Azarenka together then she will know the right decision.

Wiggly
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:17 PM
If if wasn't for Sharapova, I would be my house that she would ask Azarenka to shut the fuck up.

terjw
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:07 AM
"Grunting is part of our sport—full stop,"

Then why is there a rule in tennis that prohibits it and states that the point should be awarded to the opponent when a player does it? Either change the hindrance rule or enforce it but don't just ignore it.

Exactly.

sammy01
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:30 AM
The fact of the matter is that she will never take a stand against grunting because many of the top players do it, and it would be too controversial. Especially because of Crapova.

There's not much to "command" and analyze here.

this and this.

stacey is at the mercy of the fact that a couple of the tour 'stars' are prolific grunters. the fact that sam stosur said it was horrible to listen to it when watching a match tells you everything. this is not an issue about whether players care about grunting, fans do and it is off-putting.

Gdsimmons
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:31 AM
She's right. Its part of the sport on BOTH sides, men and women. I think for the most part its a non-issue ( even though some players OVER do it).

Archer16
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:49 AM
The fact of the matter is that she will never take a stand against grunting because many of the top players do it, and it would be too controversial. Especially because of Crapova.

There's not much to "command" and analyze here.
Yep.
What the title really means is "Allaster too scared to take a stand against the grunters".

jack21
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:53 AM
I agree that grunting is a part of both mens and womens tennis, but screaming and shreiking isn't. Of course it is very difficult to determine what type of grunt and level of noise is acceptable and what isn't but someone has to give it a go.

When Sharapova came onto the scene her grunting was unusually loud and high pitched but if you look at a lot of the juniors coming up through the ranks, they grunt just as loudly if not louder. I think that if something is to be done they have to start with the junior players and really put their foot down and stamp it out.

Matt01
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:03 AM
You tell them, Stacey :yeah:

benbest
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:08 AM
"loud noises are part of hitting a tennis ball"

must be something special about the tennis ball that makes players produce loud noises, I don't hear any loud grunting in squash, badminton, table tennis,...

Maza1987
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:09 AM
I don't buy that players are affected much by grunting. I've played against big grunters and I don't even notice it really once I start to get into the match. I also think it's partially a sexist thing that male tennis announcers have perpetuated and now it's gotten into the mainstream so people are piling on. Male players grunt, it's just a lower pitched sound so people don't complain as much.

If you are annoyed by the grunting while watching, that's understandable, but to equate it to cheating is ridiculous in my opinion.

Not cheating, but it is gamesmanship, in my opinion.

Mashabator
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:35 AM
:spit: Wozniacki.
She's the last person i would have expected to complain, she just lost so much respect. (not that i had much for her anyway).

Yoncé
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:48 AM
I'm falling in love with Stacy :yeah:

claypova
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:49 AM
:spit: Wozniacki.
She's the last person i would have expected to complain, she just lost so much respect. (not that i had much for her anyway).

ikr, she is the last person who should accuse others of cheating :tape:

sammy01
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:26 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/8858828/Elena-Baltacha-celebrates-greatest-year-as-she-is-pipped-in-Poitiers-final.html

WTA chief executive Stacey Allaster reaffirmed her wish to explore the possibility of a combined year-end championships :lol::lol: with the ATP men’s tour in the future.
“If we could ever align the two calendars, if they could shorten their season, then we would look to have open discussions with them to see if a combined Championships would make sense for us and for them,”

The ATP however do not share the dream :nerner:. A spokesman for the ATP said: “We are extremely happy with the success of the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals as the season-ending showcase of the men’s professional tennis circuit and are not looking to make any major changes to our event.”


stacey's whole M.O is -

sell out to rich countries
force players to play low quality tennis at tournaments they don't want to
leach off the men as much as possible
sign any sponsor even if it is as stupid as a make-up brand
release press statements and talk the same garbage in interviews about how successful everything is

Invisible Fan
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:29 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/8858828/Elena-Baltacha-celebrates-greatest-year-as-she-is-pipped-in-Poitiers-final.html


The ATP however do not share the dream :nerner:. A spokesman for the ATP said: “We are extremely happy with the success of the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals as the season-ending showcase of the men’s professional tennis circuit and are not looking to make any major changes to our event.”

Good

matthias
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:35 PM
the loudly coaching from woz father is more cheating then grunting will ever be

Patrick345
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:13 PM
She probably did a quick calculation and realized that 80% of the WTA future can´t shut up for more than two points.


Kvitova barks
Azarenka screams
Sharapova screams
Petkovic grunts
Wickmayer (fingers crossed returns to 100% health) grunts
Kirilenko grunts
Ivanovic ajdes

So unless she wants to watch Wozniacki hit a ball against a wall, she might step up to the media fabrication. Istanbul showed that fans don´t care. As long as you put tennis on for reasonable prices the fans will come.

gulzhan
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:37 PM
"loud noises are part of hitting a tennis ball"

must be something special about the tennis ball that makes players produce loud noises, I don't hear any loud grunting in squash, badminton, table tennis,...

You certainly hasn't played tennis if you don't see the difference between hitting the ball in these different sports you mention. Do you know the length of the tennis court? Especially in comparison with tennis table?

gulzhan
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:45 PM
Not cheating, but it is gamesmanship, in my opinion.

Gamesmanship is first of all giving all you have to the fight. If I have to hear players grunting to play at their max, I'd rather hear the grunting/shrieking/ barking than watch a player tank the match at 3-0 (leave alone 5-0). Saw the Isner vs Mahut match? Did their grunting mean ANYTHING?

Nice responce by the WTA chief :yeah: She knows the sport and she knows what makes it so unique that millions of people watch 2 individuals on court for 3 plus hours, intensly! :worship: Fighting spirit-- that's what appeals in tennis, not beauty of shots (doesn't hurt though :lol:) and not the pleasantry of sounds.

There is always opera for those who can't take the grunting sounds though :shrug: and ballet who insists the technic of shots is of the most importance :p

benbest
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:47 PM
You certainly hasn't played tennis if you don't see the difference between hitting the ball in these different sports you mention. Do you know the length of the tennis court? Especially in comparison with tennis table?

explain to me why there's no loud grunting in baseball where the field is much bigger than in tennis