PDA

View Full Version : Serena Williams Vs Petra Kvitova. Who has more dominant game ?


-NAJ-
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Serena Williams Vs Petra Kvitova. Who has more dominant game?

Sombrerero loco
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:14 PM
lol by far serena williams.please dont overhype kvitova too soon

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:15 PM
Serena is by far more talented. :hysteric:

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:16 PM
Dominant? which also includes being consistent? Serena by far. Serena won't even choke a 5-0 lead in a match.:oh:

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:17 PM
I'm really happy for Petra but I don't think we should crown her as the new Serena already :lol:

next year I expect her to win a slam or two though

mboyle
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:18 PM
I think Serena at her peak was far more dominant. She has the serve. If you can dominate on serve, that's a huge advantage. Serena is also faster and more explosive.

Gdsimmons
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:19 PM
I'm happy for Kvitova and I actually like her game but lets not get ridiculous.

John.
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:22 PM
KvittyGOAT is this generation's Serena :hearts: I like watching her demolish generation suck with ease but sadly it's very hard to compare them because Petra's 'competition' is...weak to say the least.

Fighterpova
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:36 PM
Let's not get carried away. Kvitova is an amazing player, but Serena is SERENA!!!

Molok
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Kvitova is starting to remenber me Serena in way she was really not in 100 percentage form in all games in YEC and not play all well but still beat everybody 10-2 in sets. But don't overhype Petra too early ... Serena will be long time queen, Kvitty is only small princess to her ...

VishaalMaria
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:43 PM
http://i35.tinypic.com/auyxrd.jpg

J4m3ka
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:49 PM
I love Petra but Serena was dominant over a far superior generation, she dethroned Capriati, peak Venus, and to a lesser extent Hingis and Davenport - then she had to deal with up-coming Kim and Justine.

We have not seen Petra's best yet but so far peak Serena was more tactically aware and had more consistency. Petra has a brilliant serve but her game is still quite inconsistent, this is something which will hopefully improve over time though. Petra has improved by leaps and bounds but I still think she is searching for the perfect balance of controlled aggression.

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:51 PM
Give Petra a chance to show her true peak form. :shrug:

Joe.
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Petra matches Serena in the power aspect but her inconsistency means Serena is still better than her.

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:56 PM
Give Petra a chance to show her true peak form. :shrug:

She has shown her peak form. :shrug:

vozas
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:57 PM
:facepalm:

Petra had her breakthrough year in 2011. Why are we comparing her to one of the best players of all time which is 12 years ahead of her, career wise?

VishaalMaria
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:05 PM
Petra matches Serena in the power aspect but her inconsistency means Serena is still better than her.

That's the key thing; consistency.

Kvitova is an impressive player with huge shot-making, but there's a lack of quality in the women's game if players can't take advantage of her lapses in play. That's something Serena would capitalise on. I mean, no way would she fight back from 0-5 to 5-5 just to lose it 7-5.

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:05 PM
-jA-uO9gksA
4CaN5ygIr50
end of discussion...

Yoncé
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Dominant? which also includes being consistent? Serena by far. Serena won't even choke a 5-0 lead in a match.:oh:

Not even in Miami :oh::oh::oh: or in the 4th round for that matter :oh:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:12 PM
She has shown her peak form. :shrug:

When? I think at Wimbledon she showed close to her peak form but I expect her serve, fitness, movement, volleys and consistency (which some of you guys are comparing) to improve over the years.

StoneRose
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:12 PM
Serena, no comparison really. Wow the barkwagon has gained speed.

Serena_Williams_
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:13 PM
Not even in Miami :oh::oh::oh: or in the 4th round for that matter :oh:

Bitch :oh:

Vikapower
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:13 PM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion.

Laura_VeeFan
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:16 PM
OK Petra's good but Serena's one of the best of all time. There's no comparison really

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion.

I usually ignore like 70% of your posts but the few ones that I do read are just golden. :worship::inlove:

laurie
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:17 PM
We are talking about two different type of players so I'm not sure this is a good question. That's because Serena has one of the best defensive games ever seen. Just think of the 2009 Wimbledon semifinal when Dementieva was making all the play, or the 2005 Australian Open final against Davenport when Serena had to defend hard to turn the final in her favour. Serena has the rare combination of defense and offense in equal measure.

Kvitova is more like Davenport, she knows she has to stay aggressive to win. What is impressive is Kvitova is really working hard on her defensive game.

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:17 PM
When? I think at Wimbledon she showed close to her peak form but I expect her serve, fitness, movement, volleys and consistency (which some of you guys are comparing) to improve over the years.

Her peak form was at Wimbledon. I think you and I have a definition of peak. I don't consider peak form to be some hypothetical assessment of what you think she can improve. I believe it to be the highest level of play that she's already played at. I've seen nothing that shows that Petra's peak is higher than Serena's, Kim's, Venus', Maria's or Justine's.

Tezuka.
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/Janko_107/murraylol.jpg

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Not even in Miami :oh::oh::oh: or in the 4th round for that matter :oh:

Bitch :oh:

:haha: :sobbing:

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:35 PM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion.

u are the definition of a dumb delusional bitch..i really hope ur doing this intentionally to rile people up, because if ur not, and you actually believe this BS :hysteric: ..may the lord have mercy on your soul

iPatty
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:38 PM
She has shown her peak form. :shrug:

This is wishful thinking at its finest. :hearts:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Her peak form was at Wimbledon. I think you and I have a definition of peak. I don't consider peak form to be some hypothetical assessment of what you think she can improve. I believe it to be the highest level of play that she's already played at. I've seen nothing that shows that Petra's peak is higher than Serena's, Kim's, Venus', Maria's or Justine's.

"Yes. And yours is the wrong one." :p

All I'm saying is that I still think Petra is slightly improving and that it's unfair to compare the two right now. I'm not saying that Petra's game is more dominant than Serena's (which the thread asks), but I don't think it's a fair question right now. Petra has a long career to go still. :shrug:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:38 PM
u are the definition of a dumb delusional bitch..i really hope ur doing this intentionally to rile people up, because if ur not, and you actually believe this BS :hysteric: ..may the lord have mercy on your soul

Don't even try to refute Vikapower's "Cartesian reasoning." :lol::lol::lol:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:42 PM
"Yes. And yours is the wrong one." :p

All I'm saying is that I still think Petra is slightly improving and that it's unfair to compare the two right now. I'm not saying that Petra's game is more dominant than Serena's (which the thread asks), but I don't think it's a fair question right now. Petra has a long career to go still. :shrug:

:hysteric: @ the first sentence. My definition is still the one that best approximates the truth. :p

Good explanation. Nothing I take issue with. :yeah:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:44 PM
[...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.


I still can't get over this. :haha::haha::haha:

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:45 PM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion.

:rolls:

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:48 PM
ikr :spit: :hysteric: he is so obsessed with Serena he even imagined her playing and losing to Kim in '10

Moveyourfeet
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:48 PM
We have not seen Petra's most dominant game so this thread is as premature as an adolescent's ejaculate.

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:48 PM
Wait...did Vikapower say that Serena's best form was at Wimbledon 2010? :happy::happy:

:bigcry::sobbing:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:50 PM
We have not seen Petra's most dominant game so this thread is as premature as an adolescent's ejaculate.

Yes we have. :lol: Let X be the set of all the matches that Petra's played. In that set there is a match/matches where she was most dominant. Is Petra more dominant in that match than Serena was in her most dominant match?

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:52 PM
for anyone who doubts vikapower's obsession with Serena:

As a Rena fan myself, I don't think my baby has the luxury yet to not play even an exhibition match at 100% considering the mediocre state in which her game is right now -- each match helps her rebuild and I highly doubt she will tank, she will come all guns out and if she doesn't then I will be very very much deceived by her attitude once again.

this is from July :happy:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:53 PM
Wait...did Vikapower say that Serena's best form was at Wimbledon 2010? :happy::happy:

:bigcry::sobbing:

Wasn't her best form but it was enough to handle a Maria playing her best tennis since 2008. Including all of 2010 and 2011. :p

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:57 PM
Wasn't her best form but it was enough to handle a Maria playing her best tennis since 2008. Including all of 2010 and 2011. :p

You act as if that's a formidable achievement these days. :oh:

nevetssllim
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion.

1m0rVN_UPlE

zGNgXjdlecE

I'd love to hear your analysis of these matches. :bounce:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:59 PM
You act as if that's a formidable achievement these days. :oh:

Well, I'm a huge fan of Maria and I recognize her huge talent. Any win against any version of Maria is a formidable achievement. :hearts:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:01 PM
You can't be a fan of both Serena and Maria.

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:05 PM
You can't be a fan of both Serena and Maria.

:o

Ellen Dawson
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:05 PM
And we're making this comparison beacuse....? :scratch: Seriously? :tape:

Congrats on an awesome YEAR, Petra! :cheer:

Vikapower
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:05 PM
ikr :spit: :hysteric: he is so obsessed with Serena he even imagined her playing and losing to Kim in '10

Where did Serena play and lose to Kimmie in 2010 ? You're so delusional and always in Rena's threads bashing her... as far as I know your fave Serena Zhang hasn't won 13 majors, yes ?

Serena was ranked 150+ last I checked in August and barely made the top 30 without even a relevant title in hand but you eventually have the ought to come and put her name between big people by your presence. :lol: :help:

Don't even try to refute Vikapower's "Cartesian reasoning." :lol::lol::lol:

Cartesian reasoning ? I never knew that 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13... :rolleyes: Perhaps I never learnt to count correctly. :)

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Cartesian reasoning ? I never knew that 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13... :rolleyes: Perhaps I never learnt to count correctly. :)

I hope you don't sound this ridiculous in your native language. :help:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Where did Serena play and lose to Kimmie in 2010 ? You're so delusional and always in Rena's threads bashing her... as far as I know your fave Serena Zhang hasn't won 13 majors, yes ?

Serena was ranked 150+ last I checked in August and barely made the top 30 without a title in hand but you eventually have the ought to come and put her name between big people by your presence. :lol: :help:



Cartesian reasoning ? I never knew that 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13... :rolleyes: Perhaps I never learnt to count correctly. :)

:bigcry::haha::haha::haha::haha:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:09 PM
I hope you don't sound this ridiculous in your native language. :help:

debby always used to say his English was better than his French. :bigcry:

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:12 PM
You can't be a fan of both Serena and Maria.

:scratch:

As a Rena fan myself, I don't think my baby has the luxury yet to not play even an exhibition match at 100% considering the mediocre state in which her game is right now -- each match helps her rebuild and I highly doubt she will tank, she will come all guns out and if she doesn't then I will be very very much deceived by her attitude once again.

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:13 PM
debby always used to say his English was better than his French. :bigcry:

He tries to flaunt his intelligence. Nobody is going to believe that he's read and understood Descartes.:hysteric:

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:29 PM
Where did Serena play and lose to Kimmie in 2010 ? You're so delusional and always in Rena's threads bashing her... as far as I know your fave Serena Zhang hasn't won 13 majors, yes ?

Serena was ranked 150+ last I checked in August and barely made the top 30 without even a relevant title in hand but you eventually have the ought to come and put her name between big people by your presence. :lol: :help:



Cartesian reasoning ? I never knew that 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13... :rolleyes: Perhaps I never learnt to count correctly. :)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/384302994.gif?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1320012056&Signature=ZbX5PGq3xCwuuLqerWflE1DhHgA%3D

where to begin..where to begin...1st of all, stop sniffing your household glue/bleach watevr, you urself said she played and lost to her in 2010 with ur crazy ass..secondly, who the heck is this Serena Zhang? are you that high? :weirdo: and can ur challenged ass count? :o
and me, obsessed with Kim? :spit: yeahhhh sure...at least i dont stalk her sub-forum like a nasty rat..FYI LOG OUT before you come slithering around in SerenaSlam :oh:
debby always used to say his English was better than his French. :bigcry:
:bigcry: :crying2:

Vikapower
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:33 PM
He tries to flaunt his intelligence. Nobody is going to believe that he's read and understood Descartes.:hysteric:

Finally some brains in this troll thread... René Descartes wrote in the Discourse of the method :

Why is it unreal that people could fool themselves. We a re all equal in terms of reasoning but the quintessential is that one person reasons better than the other but that we all reason differently from one another creating a diversity. We all get hold of the same phenomenon's but have different interpretation about the facts. The goal is not to have a great reasoning but to reason out well [...] the greatest reasonings could make the greatest theories so as the most fallacious ones.

I was a watching a tennis match the other day in Toronto in the latter stages of the tournament when my girlfriend was impressed by a certain player saying how she will win the US Open factually argumentating on why not only her reasoning is the correct one but that any contradicting one was then incorrect because it didn't meet her reasoning, reasoning she has based on what she already knew about the game ; this is where I came into reflexion from all the experience I gained during these last 5 years to develop my methodology to arise the mediocrity of spirit to a stage avoiding letting perceptions get flooded by appearances.

In all the knowledges that we have and when we had just become fans, there were things that were brought to our different senses for which we didn't have full tennis wise reasoning to fully interpret effectively what we got. We rushed and by doing so prevented ourselves to reach to the truth apparently with no way back unless if we don't allow ourselves to doubt one times in our lives as fans on things where there are suspicions : Is Serena the most talented player ? Is she technically so accomplished ? etc... We have to suspend the judgment to reach at that stage of Epoché where favorable, unfavorable, for or against judgements are suspended from the reasoning -- René Descartes in the epistemic principle of methodic doubt (Cartesian judgments). At the contrary to skepticism we do not want to reach at that stage of Ataraxia but to our way to knowledge, we want that very important moment of doubt that would allow our knowledges to be sound.

Once again if you believe 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13, that Serena is the best ever or has the most dominant game then you're completely out of your shoes -- and need to rethink your knowledge. :dance:

Good luck doing so in the future and when you'll be able to refute serious arguments vs. mines. :)

Vikapower
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:34 PM
where to begin..where to begin...1st of all, stop sniffing the glue, you urself said she played and lost to her in 2010 with ur crazy ass..secondly, who the heck is this Serena Zhang? are you that high? :weirdo: and can ur challenged ass count? :o

I bet you don't even watch tennis other than to come and troll on Serena William's threads. :awww:

ZODIAC
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:34 PM
Serena is a dominant player that has no equal,Kvitova can lose a match any time to anyone.Petra plays well indoors and on grass on the other surfaces she is just hit and miss.
I think she is emerging as a leader of the next generation,she has won what all the upstarts like Wozniacki,Azarenka,Radwanska,Petrovic and Ivanovic failed to do....win a slam and YEC.
I like that she just go quietly about her game without tantrums or fanfare....
watching her play in Instabul clearly tells me that she is very talented more talented than all the top ten including Caro.

Steven.
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:36 PM
omg thread of the year :hysteric:

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:39 PM
:sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

Descartes did not write that. :hysteric: That has the retard linguistics of a vikapower.

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:41 PM
Finally some brains in this troll thread... René Descartes wrote in the Discourse of the method :



Once again if you believe 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13, that Serena is the best ever or has the most dominant game then you're completely out of your shoes -- and need to rethink your knowledge. :dance:

Good luck doing so in the future and when you'll be able to refute serious arguments vs. mines. :)
five + one=6 ..stay with me now..six+four=10..still there? ok...and finally, ten(the 1 with the 0 at the end)+three equals THIRTEEN...where did you go to school? :hysteric:

I bet you don't even watch tennis other than to come and troll on Serena William's threads. :awww:

me trolling? the crazy pot calling the kettle black... :spit: u are beyond professional help...

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Finally some brains in this troll thread... René Descartes wrote in the Discourse of the method :



Once again if you believe 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13, that Serena is the best ever or has the most dominant game then you're completely out of your shoes -- and need to rethink your knowledge. :dance:

Good luck doing so in the future and when you'll be able to refute serious arguments vs. mines. :)

5+1+4+3 does equal 13. That is undeniable unless you wish to refute the foundations of mathematics. Do you have an issue with set-theoretical foundations or category-theoretical foundations? I believe that there are some radical skeptics in contemporary philosophy. Some that believe that humanity might be living in a computer simulation. I guess this might be comparable to Descartes' evil deceiver argument. Why is it relevant? In your "argument," you have failed to show why our beliefs of basic arithmetic or judgments about greatness are wrong. Can your own statement pass the test that you put forth?

Descartes didn't even write everything in that quote. :hysteric:

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:43 PM
peak Vikapower :inlove:

Gdsimmons
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:44 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/bj781g.gif

The hilarity of this thread!

Stamp Paid
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Finally some brains in this troll thread... René Descartes wrote in the Discourse of the method :



Once again if you believe 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13, that Serena is the best ever or has the most dominant game then you're completely out of your shoes -- and need to rethink your knowledge. :dance:

Good luck doing so in the future and when you'll be able to refute serious arguments vs. mines. :)http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lma7wkgngB1qii6tmo1_500.gif

Laura_VeeFan
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:48 PM
Vikapower :hysteric:

I think he's launching his TWAT 2012 campaign already :oh:

Marionated
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:49 PM
Vikapower :bigcry:

Macomere
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:52 PM
Once again if you believe 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13, that Serena is the best ever or has the most dominant game then you're completely out of your shoes -- and need to rethink your knowledge. :dance:

Good luck doing so in the future and when you'll be able to refute serious arguments vs. mines. :)

what you need to do is stop sniffing the glue u use to repair ur customers' shoes, and get some professional help..

Fighterpova
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:52 PM
Omg this thread is hilarious :rolls:
Vikapower :hysteric:

tennisbear7
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:53 PM
:cry: Serena, at her best, is the peak of women's tennis.

Petra doesn't even come close to Serena, Venus, Justine or Kim. She just doesn't have the athletic ability. We've been spoiled for far too long and took 1999-2005 for granted.

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:57 PM
there needs to be a vikapower quotes book somewhere :bigcry:

someone make a thread in the 'non-tennis' forum :hysteric:

metamorpha
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:57 PM
Serena at the peak of her power is both awesome and fearsome. Just ask Azarenka.

Serena is definitely more dominant. But Kvitova's shotmaking ability is more impressive and effortless, although it's prone to inconsistency. She has a talent to play high-risk game with great accuracy and without hitting it hard like mindless ball-basher. Too bad she's yet to master it completely.

duhcity
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:03 AM
this is my new favorite thread. Talking about Descartes on Tennisforum :lol:

metamorpha
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:14 AM
Currently it's more or less like this, could be a bit more competitive though:

4CaN5ygIr50&feature=related

Here you will know why Kvitova can't easily blow Serena off the court with the way she did to others in YEC 2011...

brickhousesupporter
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:34 AM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion.

Where did Serena play and lose to Kimmie in 2010 ? You're so delusional and always in Rena's threads bashing her... as far as I know your fave Serena Zhang hasn't won 13 majors, yes ?

Serena was ranked 150+ last I checked in August and barely made the top 30 without even a relevant title in hand but you eventually have the ought to come and put her name between big people by your presence. :lol: :help:



Cartesian reasoning ? I never knew that 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13... :rolleyes: Perhaps I never learnt to count correctly. :)

Finally some brains in this troll thread... René Descartes wrote in the Discourse of the method :



Once again if you believe 5 + 1 + 4 + 3 = 13, that Serena is the best ever or has the most dominant game then you're completely out of your shoes -- and need to rethink your knowledge. :dance:

Good luck doing so in the future and when you'll be able to refute serious arguments vs. mines. :)

I bet you don't even watch tennis other than to come and troll on Serena William's threads. :awww:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/24yb5a0jpg.gif

dragonflies
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:36 AM
Vikapowerless rocks TF :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

marineblue
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:45 AM
She has shown her peak form. :shrug:

Mainly at challengers :lol:

Vikapower
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:46 AM
this is my new favorite thread. Talking about Descartes on Tennisforum :lol:

He can be talked anywhere and everywhere :) he's one who portrayed reasoning and the method of reasoning efficiently... just watch TF and how defective certain fans reason out there... Serena is the greatest ever... from which demonstration ? which rational or Cartesian reasoning ?

Welcome to the philosophy of skepticism, it's a philosophy like any other. :)

5+1+4+3 does equal 13. That is undeniable unless you wish to refute the foundations of mathematics. Do you have an issue with set-theoretical foundations or category-theoretical foundations? I believe that there are some radical skeptics in contemporary philosophy. Some that believe that humanity might be living in a computer simulation. I guess this might be comparable to Descartes' evil deceiver argument. Why is it relevant? In your "argument," you have failed to show why our beliefs of basic arithmetic or judgments about greatness are wrong. Can your own statement pass the test that you put forth?

Descartes didn't even write everything in that quote. :hysteric:

:D Contemporary philosophy, computer simulations ? What's the relationship with epistemology ?

:D Anyways believe as you will... I refute the foundations you mentioned for the simplest fact that these numbers put in this specific order in my very personal theory do not make 13. :)

4 + 5 + 3 + 1 = 13
3 + 1 + 4 + 5 = 13
1 + 4 + 3 + 5 = 13 etc... amuse yourself as much as you wish with the different combinations but 5 + 1 + 3 + 4 =/= 13 in this specific order based on the Gregorian calendar (January, February....).

You see when maths becomes so easy when put in relationship with the world's greatest, Serena Williams (5 AO, 1 RG, 4 Wimbls', 3 US). :worship:

As for Descartes, I could have well written a whole philosophical book on epistemology we are one... but my preference carries to Epicure, Aristote and Schaupenhauer. :)

five + one=6 ..stay with me now..six+four=10..still there? ok...and finally, ten(the 1 with the 0 at the end)+three equals THIRTEEN...where did you go to school? :hysteric:

Should you read the above [...] going at school is one but seeing beyond what is thought is another... I'll leave you to your own job of accomplishing your curiosity by finishing the Discourse of the method watch specifically chapter 1 where he talks about that specific detail. ;)

Macomere
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:47 AM
Nipsey is on crack yall :sobbing:

Sp!ffy
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:48 AM
:bigcry:

Raiden
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:56 AM
Finally some brains in this troll thread... René Descartes wrote in the Discourse of the method :We troll, therefore GM exists.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:56 AM
Some people are just desperate for attention, even if it is negative.

Novichok
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:00 AM
Vikapowerless, put down the pipe. :hysteric:

marineblue
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:02 AM
[QUOTE=jerriy;20433428]We troll, therefore GM exists.[/QUOTE

You should put this in your signature.:lol:

KBlade
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:04 AM
Sure Kvitova hits hard and serves well, but Serena can do both of those better than Kvitova at her best. Even to this day, Serena still has superior movement to Kvitova. Still, you have to take into account Kvitova's current competition. Of course she is going to look more impressive against lesser players, whereas peak Serena tore apart some of the all time greats.

JCTennisFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:28 AM
This really isnt even a good comparison... sorry not trying to be mean. A much more APT comparison would be Davenport and Kvitova. Their games are MUCH more similar than Kvitova and Serena. Serena's movement and court coverage is much superior.... which opens up lots of opportunites for her that Kvitova simply doesnt have.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:09 AM
Love Petra...but she ain't no Serena. Nobody is. How quickly we forget...

Stamp Paid
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:16 AM
Let Petra develop into her own player. This kind of comparison to Serena isn't very productive.

stromatolite
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:32 AM
Petra has a long way to go to get even close to Serena in this department. She's got a big game so you never know, but I don't think even if she gets her act together more she will ever dominate like Serena has. But there's no shame in that.

bobito
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:36 AM
Ask the same question in 10 years and it might be possible to answer it.

FlaviaFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 09:54 AM
How can a discussion about this... exist?
Serena!

pierce85
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:20 PM
Omg , After one slam and a YEC win, she is already better than the best players of the previous generation. I dread to think what the trolls in here will say if she wins a second slam, better than Graff???

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:28 PM
ummm aren't we getting a bit carried away :lol:

GreenGrass
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:45 PM
LOL :facepalm: :rolls: :lol:

Apoleb
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:03 PM
First, she needs to stop being compared to Mary Pierce.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:14 PM
First, she needs to stop being compared to Mary Pierce.

:spit: :lol:

pierce85
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:38 PM
First, she needs to stop being compared to Mary Pierce.

Exactly because Mary is much better (for the time being I give you that)

rechi
Oct 31st, 2011, 05:45 PM
When Serena is healthy, the only one who can beat Serena is Serena!!! :)


But if Kvitova is able to sort her inconsistency out, she'll come very close to Serena...

miffedmax
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:14 PM
Right now? Kvitova is probably stronger than a still recovering her form Serena.

I don't think she's anywhere near the player Serena was in her prime, though. I don't expect her to as dominate for as long, either, though a lot of that may be up to her level of competition. She could end up playing Larry Holmes to Serena's Ali.

Lena's bangs.

Mynarco
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:15 PM
Let's talk about it when she can win 6 slams, half of what Serena has won in 12 years.

Ntosake
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:34 PM
Good on Kvitova for a winning season, but it's way too early for this.

(BTW, I do not believe Vikapower is abusing a crack pipe. Such grand delusions as his can only come from illegal access to a hospital pharmacy somewhere)

edificio
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:35 PM
At this point, no contest. In ten years we can assess the dominance of Petra's game.

PLP
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:38 PM
:lol:

I thought this poll would be a total massacre but 25% voting for Petra so far.
:help:

pav
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:41 PM
After skimming through this I think most are cocking up the question, not who has been the greatest so far, not who is more consistant,but when on who has the more dominant game?Very close I think, in those brief spells when everything is on song for both!

mac47
Oct 31st, 2011, 08:26 PM
Well, I'll be a contrarian. Serena's serve is better and she moves a little faster, but I don't think Kvitova gives up anything else to her. Petra's forehand and backhand are both more devastating, and her volleys and slice are better. I think she'll beat Serena the next time she sees her. As for whether she would have in Serena's prime, I have no idea.

The video posted above shows Kvitova's first-strike tennis working just fine against Serena. She still hit winners against her, because Kvitova can't be overpowered. I've seen matches where Serena ends up looping balls back because her opponent is hitting so hard (granted, not often). In a way, it's good for Serena that she has that skill to fall back on as a plan B, but I don't think Petra ever needs to think about that option. She just needs to get her own balls in the court.

I also don't think we have seen anything like Petra's best yet. Her serve still has further development possible, and her putaways shots at the net have a great deal of room for improvement too, and I think she will improve them.

égalité
Nov 1st, 2011, 12:20 AM
:D Anyways believe as you will... I refute the foundations you mentioned for the simplest fact that these numbers put in this specific order in my very personal theory do not make 13. :)

4 + 5 + 3 + 1 = 13
3 + 1 + 4 + 5 = 13
1 + 4 + 3 + 5 = 13 etc... amuse yourself as much as you wish with the different combinations but 5 + 1 + 3 + 4 =/= 13 in this specific order based on the Gregorian calendar (January, February....).

What the fuck are you talking about? :tears:

ZODIAC
Nov 1st, 2011, 02:04 AM
Kvitova hits a very flat ball and thats what Serena likes,Serena struggles against players that use a lot of spin like Stosur ,Patty or Schiavone.I think Kvitova will have her own success but will not have a phenominal game or success like Serena .Serena at Kvitova s age was explosive and phenominal and already legendary.

Ellen Dawson
Nov 1st, 2011, 07:40 AM
Kvitova hits a very flat ball and thats what Serena likes,Serena struggles against players that use a lot of spin like Stosur ,Patty or Schiavone.I think Kvitova will have her own success but will not have a phenominal game or success like Serena .Serena at Kvitova s age was explosive and phenominal and already legendary.

And we have a "shut down". :wavey:

Next!

Jack.
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:30 AM
*bump*
The epicness of this thread has to be relived. :cheer:

Mynarco
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:39 AM
Wtf started it

Barktra
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:44 AM
:sobbing: okay we get she didn't back her 2011

Macomere
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:51 AM
Well, I'll be a contrarian. Serena's serve is better and she moves a little faster, but I don't think Kvitova gives up anything else to her. Petra's forehand and backhand are both more devastating, and her volleys and slice are better. I think she'll beat Serena the next time she sees her. As for whether she would have in Serena's prime, I have no idea.

The video posted above shows Kvitova's first-strike tennis working just fine against Serena. She still hit winners against her, because Kvitova can't be overpowered. I've seen matches where Serena ends up looping balls back because her opponent is hitting so hard (granted, not often). In a way, it's good for Serena that she has that skill to fall back on as a plan B, but I don't think Petra ever needs to think about that option. She just needs to get her own balls in the court.

I also don't think we have seen anything like Petra's best yet. Her serve still has further development possible, and her putaways shots at the net have a great deal of room for improvement too, and I think she will improve them.
:haha: ORLY?

RVD
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:11 AM
:haha: ORLY?IKR?! :lol: :lol:

That was better than reading a gag manga.

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:19 AM
Kvitova doesnt have the game to matchup with Serena at this point. The only thing she matches Serena in is roughly having the same firepower off both sides off the ground, which in itself is a feat as very few women can say that, in fact she might be the only one now that people like Vaidisova have flaked off tour altogether, and Venus and Sharapova are not at their peak levels. She is much less consistent off the ground and makes many more unforced errors, her movement and defense is almost non existent vs Serena`s which is still excellent, her serve while very good and tricky being a lefty still doesnt match Serena`s as obviously nobody does, and she is nowhere near as mentally tough or clutch in the big points. She still will probably give Serena consistently closer matches than Sharapova or Azarenka when they meet, alot like the matches at their last 2 Wimbledons, since Serena cant as easily overpower Kvitova as she does everyone else, but Serena`s superior consistency, serve, cluthness, and movement, will almost certainly see her win out each time until Kvitova adds more to her rather one dimensional game.

Kvitova also needs to improve greatly on her physical fitness which sagged noticeably compared to 2011 when she was the best player in the World. She played with quite a visible gut in 2012 which is unacceptable for a champion and heir apparent to number 1. She needs to improve her mental focus a great deal, add some variety to her game, while not getting away from her game as a power hitter which will always be her predominant game, but adding a bit of variety and changes of pace shots is neccessary.
She also needs to really work on cutting down the unforced errors, maybe add a bit of topspin and move her shots just a bit from the lines to give herself more margin. Needs to improve both her footwork and court speed with some drills in practice. Unless she does all these things I see her staying behind Azarenka and Sharapova as well unless Sharapova begins her decline with age, or Azarenka cant keep up her 2011 level, either which is entirely possible to happen in the near future.

starin
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:23 AM
They played on an indoor grass court this year and Serena won in straight sets. :shrug:

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:27 AM
Yeah there couldnt possibly be a better surface for Kvitova than indoor grass, her two favorite surfaces coming together at once, and she played a fabulous match, and still could only manage a respectable straight sets loss where she maybe had chances to take 1 of the 2 sets if she played the big points perfectly.

tennisbum79
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:38 AM
Yeah there couldnt possibly be a better surface for Kvitova than indoor grass, her two favorite surfaces coming together at once, and she played a fabulous match, and still could only manage a respectable straight sets loss where she maybe had chances to take 1 of the 2 sets if she played the big points perfectly.
;)Maybe the thermostat was not adjusted correctly:D

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:46 AM
;)Maybe the thermostat was not adjusted correctly:D

She must have had some more cheetos while they took time to fix it, she looked even fatter at Wimbledon than she had at Roland Garros, which is her biggest problem these days. :lol:

gbenga
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:51 AM
;)Maybe the thermostat was not adjusted correctly:D

:haha: :rain: :umbrella:

caros defender
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:32 AM
After Petra gives birth, she will dominate Serena.

F4CU
Dec 29th, 2012, 11:31 AM
S E R E N A

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 12:50 PM
And then..why so serious? :lol:

Lord Choc Ice
Dec 29th, 2012, 01:10 PM
I had to vote for Petra. When Petra's on she has the most dominant ground-game. Every shot is a laser. I think back to their 2010 Wimbledon semi, Petra was the one dictating and Serena's serve and defense was keeping her in the match.

ZeroSumGame
Dec 29th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Petra's game is similar to Davenport's, absolutely superb but she's too inconsistent. However Serena is in a league of her own. Look at what Serena did to Davenport, exposed her movement during every match!

Bump up this thread when Petra gets some wins against GOAT!

JCTennisFan
Dec 30th, 2012, 05:40 AM
Petra's game is similar to Davenport's, absolutely superb but she's too inconsistent. However Serena is in a league of her own. Look at what Serena did to Davenport, exposed her movement during every match!

Bump up this thread when Petra gets some wins against GOAT!

You mean that her game is similar to Pierce.... Davenport was ultra-consistent.

Davenport was just a horribly slow mover.... possibly the slowest #1 ever.

Kvitova moves better (than Davenport) and has a more explosive game when she is in form (just like Pierce) but as we have seen she can be quite inconsistent.

Stonerpova
Dec 30th, 2012, 05:50 AM
The one that many think is the best player of all time.

JCTennisFan
Dec 30th, 2012, 06:09 AM
Kvitova still has alot of time left (barring injury) to prove herself.... Serena is in the last stages of her career.

If Petra can keep her weight under control and her head on her shoulders then she will probably win multiple slam titles.

She moves fast enough (Combined with her huge reach), hits an enormous ball (At peak she outhits everyone... including Serena), and has the advantage of being a leftie as well (which helps her serve a good deal).

It is no coincidence that she has had her best success when she was most fit.

When she is lean her biggest technical weakness (her movement) becomes less of a problem which improves her entire game.

But even if she does get lean and stay that way.... she will never be quite as well rounded as Serena.

Aaron.
Dec 30th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Petra is much more naturally skilled than Serena... basically 60 to 70% of the WTA tour is much more naturally skilled than Serena... Serena's technique in itself, style of play etc... never ever has been her essential strengths... it's her champion's mental and great serve (better than the average) that has made her what she is...

Serena at her very best for example in Wimbledon 2010 is very limited, slow disgusting footwork, bashing the ball as hard without any kind of thinking beforehand [...] and when she tries to think or play variances she gets a beat-down by Kimmie for example in US Open 2010.

I don't expect Serena to even get passed the 1/4 in majors next year and expect to see her game exposed on a much more consistent basis by any relevant girl of the top 100 just like Sammy did in fashion. :oh:

Kuzzy24
Dec 30th, 2012, 07:27 AM
The one winning the h2h

powerpuff27
Dec 30th, 2012, 07:40 AM
Kvitova in good form cant even handle Sharapova, the same Sharapova who Serena crushes repeatedly at will, so how can you even compare Petra to Serena right now.

Sam L
Dec 30th, 2012, 08:45 AM
Ask the same question in 10 years and it might be possible to answer it.

By which time, the answer will still be the same. As if Kvitova's going to ever come close to the domination that Serena's displayed. :lol:

JCTennisFan
Dec 30th, 2012, 09:57 AM
By which time, the answer will still be the same. As if Kvitova's going to ever come close to the domination that Serena's displayed. :lol:

Its true that Kvitova will doubtfully get the same number of slams as Serena.

But her game is still just as dominating when she is in form.

Unfortunately that will probably not be nearly as often as Serena has displayed throughout her career.

JCTennisFan
Dec 30th, 2012, 09:59 AM
Kvitova in good form cant even handle Sharapova, the same Sharapova who Serena crushes repeatedly at will, so how can you even compare Petra to Serena right now.

The same Sharapova she straight setted in the Final of W 2011?

Kvitova's form has slacked in 2012 as compared to the last half of 2011... there is really no question about that.

I would attribute Kvitova's losses to Sharapova this year more to Kvitova getting worse instead of Sharapova getting better.

ShiftyFella
Dec 30th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Its true that Kvitova will doubtfully get the same number of slams as Serena.

But her game is still just as dominating when she is in form.

Unfortunately that will probably not be nearly as often as Serena has displayed throughout her career.
Petra can get close in slam count department if she has comeback year after sophomore slump similar to Serena's and sustain that level of play for few years, tho i doubt it will happen this year. They both have pretty dominant games when on but neither of them can be as dominant as GoatNa

doomsday
Dec 30th, 2012, 10:19 AM
The same Sharapova she straight setted in the Final of W 2011?

Kvitova's form has slacked in 2012 as compared to the last half of 2011... there is really no question about that.

I would attribute Kvitova's losses to Sharapova this year more to Kvitova getting worse instead of Sharapova getting better.

Maria's form got better in 2012 compared to 2011, there is also no question about that.
The form and serve she had in Wimbledon final compared to the serve she had in Stuttgart and Paris against Kvitova were nothing alike, Kvitova hasn't beaten Maria since Wimbledon and tbh this is the only surface where she has the edge over Maria even though I'm pretty sure Maria from OG would make a great match over Kvitova on grass.

Beside I'm not even sure that Maria's form in OZ semis was better compared to Kvitova's one, she hit 0 aces for 10 DF and still beat Kvitova she was just hanging mentally and it was enough to win :tape:

Alejandrawrrr
Dec 30th, 2012, 11:06 AM
When comparing the dominance of their games you should also take into account the serve, not just groundies. When has Kvitova hit 24 aces in a match against a world #1... 24, as in an entire set full of points where the opponent wasn't allowed to play tennis. Maybe Kvitova(like Pierce) at her absolute apex might edge Serena in terms of forcefulness off the ground as she consistently goes for lower percentage shots, but overall Serena is much more dominant. Petra also has more holes that can be exploited in her game, in terms of movement and consistency than Serena which is also something to take into account. Lastly, it's pretty telling to compare their records against the same opposition. Petra in what was so far her peak year on her best surfaces consistently needed three sets to beat a pre-peak Princess Vika, while Serena has taken her out in straights on probably every surface this year. That's actually pretty gentle compared to how they fared against Sharapova over the last two years :lol:

JN
Dec 30th, 2012, 11:36 AM
:oh:

:lol:
*eagerly awaits Vikapower's batch of failed predictions for 2013* or has he made some already? :confused:

bandabou
Dec 30th, 2012, 12:04 PM
Kvitova has one weakness that's waaaayyyy too glaring for her to even be compared with Serena: girl's slow as hell.

powerpuff27
Dec 30th, 2012, 02:57 PM
Kvitova has one weakness that's waaaayyyy too glaring for her to even be compared with Serena: girl's slow as hell.

if she lost weight it would help. She will never a speed demon, but her plunging fitness relative to 2011 is glaring.

bandabou
Dec 30th, 2012, 03:47 PM
if she lost weight it would help. She will never a speed demon, but her plunging fitness relative to 2011 is glaring.

Indeed..that'd be a nice start.

rjd1111
Dec 30th, 2012, 11:08 PM
Over a year ago and this dog still ain't huntin

Third Mall
Dec 30th, 2012, 11:22 PM
How Petra has any votes in this thing is beyond me!

Actually, the fact that this question was asked in the first place is beyond me!

My guess is :crazy:trolls (mainly extreme Serena haters) and some really deluded Czechs.