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tsmile789
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Base on what I've seen this year, these 2 are the best of generation suck. I kno Caro won 6 title and Aga also won 3 but I don't think their potential is kinda fading away. Or will caro proves next year that her 2 in a row #1 year end isn't a fluke and produce marverlous tennis and snatch a couple of slam next year? Or can aga get her serve better and step up to her potential? Because right now it's:
1/Petra
2/Vika
3/Caro
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4/Aga

melodynelson
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Azarenka has done much less than Wozniacki. She has two Miami titles, a Madrid F, and a Wimbledon SF. F or W at the YEC. Wozniacki is clearly the #2 or maybe even #1 of the group so far.

The Azarenka hype storm never dies. It's kind of amazing.

tsmile789
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Azarenka has done much less than Wozniacki. She has two Miami titles, a Madrid F, and a Wimbledon SF. F or W at the YEC. Wozniacki is clearly the #2 or maybe even #1 of the group so far.

The Azarenka hype storm never dies. It's kind of amazing.

I kno Vika had done much less than Caro...but level of play this year I'd say Vika is up a notch and in the events they've both entered Vika has gone further in most of them.

Bismarck.
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:41 PM
I kno Vika had done much less than Caro...but level of play this year I'd say Vika is up a notch and in the events they've both entered Vika has gone further in most of them.

No, she hasn't. Of the 16 events they've both played, eight times Azarenka has gone further in the draw than Wozniacki and it's exactly the same vice-versa. :shrug:

bandabou
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Kvitova clearly is head and shoulders above the rest.

Everybody's battling for second. It's between Caro and Vika. Vika SHOULD be further along, but for some reason it isn't coming out.

tsmile789
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:51 PM
No, she hasn't. Of the 16 events they've both played, eight times Azarenka has gone further in the draw than Wozniacki and it's exactly the same vice-versa. :shrug:

really??? the last time i counted it was like 7-5 sth in Azarenka's favour....mayb i miss counted....:eek:

Bismarck.
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:57 PM
If I'm counting correctly, Azarenka went further in:

-Sydney
-Miami
-Madrid
-Roland Garros
-Wimbledon
-Toronto
-Tokyo
-YECs

Wozniacki:

-Australian Open
-Dubai
-Doha
-Indian Wells
-Stuttgart
-Rome
-US Open
-Beijing

However, Vika retired in Indian Wells, Stuttgart, Rome and Beijing. :shrug:

LCS
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Hasn't Azarenka won a slam? :oh:

cowsonice
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:01 PM
Vika definitely would be the leader of "Generation Suck" as long as she gets her body fit and her head together

Sombrerero loco
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:07 PM
add caro and aga and yes

dsanders06
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Petra is so far ahead of the rest of 'Generation Suck' it's not even funny. Azarenka has impressed me this week - her anticipation is better than I thought, and she does seem to have some flair to her game - and she'll certainly be one of the top players for the next 5 years atleast, but I really don't know if I see her actually winning a Slam... maybe she'll get one or two (I'd guess the Australian Open is her best chance? Her game seems to prosper on slow hardcourts), but I just think there's always going to be a clutch of players better than her who'll be waiting for her in the later rounds of most Slams.

I still think Pavlyuchenkova has the ability to be a multi-Slam champion and be the 2nd best of this generation - but whether she ever gets her mind and fitness to the level where her game is is another matter.

s teddy
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Kvitova is definitely the best of her "generation" right now. The problem is that that's not saying much. Five years ago, a player like her or Azarenka would have barely been in the top 10. (the fact that Serena, Maria, Kim, and other older players can still hang with those players despite being nowhere near as good as they once were attests to this). If the players of her generation don't improve significantly, I can see their quickly being eclipsed by younger players. (That, of course, assumes that there will be more good, young players coming, and I haven't seen many signs of that...)

Leo_DFP
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:35 PM
I kno Vika had done much less than Caro...but level of play this year I'd say Vika is up a notch and in the events they've both entered Vika has gone further in most of them.

You've missed the point. We're talking about quality of tennis, not results.

I'll take the Azarenka of Stanford '10, Miami '11, Serena USO loss '11, Kvitova W + YEC losses '11 over any Wozniacki ever.

Yes, Kvitova and Azarenka are our best hopes for quality and a top rivalry. I do like Radwanska though because of her flat-ball hitting, creativity, comparatively little fear of the net, etc.

tsmile789
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:43 PM
You've missed the point. We're talking about quality of tennis, not results.

I'll take the Azarenka of Stanford '10, Miami '11, Serena USO loss '11, Kvitova W + YEC losses '11 over any Wozniacki ever.

Yes, Kvitova and Azarenka are our best hopes for quality and a top rivalry. I do like Radwanska though because of her flat-ball hitting, creativity, comparatively little fear of the net, etc.

+1
today even tho she lost to kvitova, her game wasn't bad it was just petra was damn good. and after the 5-0 first set i thought she was gonna be a gonna but she prove me wrong for the second time this year (first one was the serena USO match). And if she can work on her serve in this off season and skilled it and gives it more power she and petra might be the next big rivalry.
as for aga, i don't watch her game that much but these last few months she has shown lots of improvement.

Morrissey
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:55 PM
Petra is so far ahead of the rest of 'Generation Suck' it's not even funny. Azarenka has impressed me this week - her anticipation is better than I thought, and she does seem to have some flair to her game - and she'll certainly be one of the top players for the next 5 years atleast, but I really don't know if I see her actually winning a Slam... maybe she'll get one or two (I'd guess the Australian Open is her best chance? Her game seems to prosper on slow hardcourts), but I just think there's always going to be a clutch of players better than her who'll be waiting for her in the later rounds of most Slams.

I still think Pavlyuchenkova has the ability to be a multi-Slam champion and be the 2nd best of this generation - but whether she ever gets her mind and fitness to the level where her game is is another matter.

I am impressed with Petra she won Wimbledon she's head and shoulders above the rest. She has a huge serve, good variety and volleys.

I am disappointed with Azarenka she continues to LOSE the big matches. She doesn't have a great serve and she doesn't have variety.

Wozniacki is the least talented out of the three she has a crap forehand and a crap serve.

NeKo
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:03 PM
I hope Vika will lead this generation to ... glory. Wozniacki is too hated, I hope she will change her play style to show the haters that she really got talent.

AcesHigh
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:12 PM
I don't think Vika plsy high quality tennis. Her game lacks punch.. the serve needs a ton of work, and her fitness can be atrocious at times.

Laura_VeeFan
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Kvitova is the leader of Generation Suck atm. Azarenka really needs to beef up her serve if she wants to stay with her I feel. Lisicki should always be a threat on grass courts and Pavlyuchenkova should be a threat on clay courts.

Sammo
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:22 PM
No, Azarenka is a disgrace for elite tennis. That woman can't even volley. She's got excellent groundstrokes? OK, what else? NOTHING. Kvitova is a good server, a good volleyer, her groundstrokes are amazing, and her touch is pretty decent, she's definately the hope of Generation Suck.

shap_half
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:30 PM
No, Azarenka is a disgrace for elite tennis. That woman can't even volley. She's got excellent groundstrokes? OK, what else? NOTHING. Kvitova is a good server, a good volleyer, her groundstrokes are amazing, and her touch is pretty decent, she's definately the hope of Generation Suck.

She doesn't even have that, really. Her forehand is not great. Mauremo-esque.

John.
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:34 PM
I'm still not convinced by Azarenka. Her fitness concerns me. It'll be interesting to see if she improves during the off season, and also, if the number of retirements drops in 2012.

Patrick345
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Azarenka has done much less than Wozniacki. She has two Miami titles, a Madrid F, and a Wimbledon SF. F or W at the YEC. Wozniacki is clearly the #2 or maybe even #1 of the group so far.

The Azarenka hype storm never dies. It's kind of amazing.

....and Wozniacki has what? 10 vulture titles, 12 cakewalk draws and one Slam final to show for it, that Azarenka could have reached playing left-handed.

I just hope for Wozniacki´s sake, that the WTA doesn´t jump off her bandwagon or suddenly Kim, Serena, Lisicki will show up in her draw instead of Gajdosova, Hantuchova and Cibulkova. :lol:

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Nope, Caroline is and will remain the best of her generation. :hearts:

goldenlox
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:43 PM
....and Wozniacki has what? 10 vulture titles, 12 cakewalk draws and one Slam final to show for it, that Azarenka could have reached playing left-handed.

I just hope for Wozniacki´s sake, that the WTA doesn´t jump off her bandwagon or suddenly Kim, Serena, Lisicki will show up in her draw instead of Gajdosova, Hantuchova and Cibulkova. :lol:
You're in a dream world. Wozniacki beat Azarenka at the USO, YEC, and Tokyo.
Oh, I forgot! everyone plays poorly when they lose to Caro :lol:

Miracle Worker
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:48 PM
How Vika can be a leader of Generation Suck without any important title :eek: Did I missed something?

Sergius
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:01 PM
....and Wozniacki has what? 10 vulture titles, 12 cakewalk draws and one Slam final to show for it, that Azarenka could have reached playing left-handed.
So why didn't Vika do it? She reached both her Istanbul final and Wimbledon semifinal beating the same players Wozniacki had to beat to get her 'vulture' titles

I just hope for Wozniacki´s sake, that the WTA doesn´t jump off her bandwagon or suddenly Kim, Serena, Lisicki will show up in her draw instead of Gajdosova, Hantuchova and Cibulkova. :lol:

:spit:

Vikapower
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:04 PM
How Vika can be a leader of Generation Suck without any important title :eek: Did I missed something?

Obviously if wasn't for Petra she'd have finally had that big title today... but there'll be other chances up to her to upgrade her game and work on the defective or average things like serve, aggressiveness etc...

StoneRose
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Petra clearly leads Gen S. Seems to me Vika has more momentum going than Caro atm.

Viktymise
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:41 PM
As I've already said in the result thread, I very much doubt that Azarenka will get much better than she currently is. And the game she currently plays is definitely not good enough to "dominate" the tour.

That doesn't mean she can't win a slam. All it would take would be for a draw to fall apart and she certainly seems to believe she's good enough to win a slam, so I don't think she'd fluff such an opportunity.

However, I think it's much more likely that Failniacki or Ratwanska will luck out big time in a slam before she does.

Patrick345
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:53 PM
So why didn't Vika do it? She reached both her Istanbul final and Wimbledon semifinal beating the same players Wozniacki had to beat to get her 'vulture' titles



:spit:

Exactly and if she had Wozniacki´s cakewalk Slam draws, she´d have 2-3 finals minimum.

All I know when Vika steps onto her best surface Grand Slam semifinal against the biggest big match choker in the top ten in Zvonareva, she won´t get bitchslapped off the court in two sets. When Vika steps onto the court for a big Slam match with Serena, she´ll make Serena earn it and not just roll over.

As for Lisicki...

http://fiercetennis.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/35.png?w=455&h=1027

Uranus
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Petra is the best by far.

Azarenka is overhyped. She isn't playing that well. However, this year, she's provided a better level of play than Wozniacki. Still has some work to do to achieve what the Danish has.

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:26 AM
No, Azarenka is a disgrace for elite tennis. That woman can't even volley. She's got excellent groundstrokes? OK, what else? NOTHING. Kvitova is a good server, a good volleyer, her groundstrokes are amazing, and her touch is pretty decent, she's definately the hope of Generation Suck.
Fool, I've pointed this out to you before:

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BOTH AGAINST YOUR FAVE.

Not only this, you seem to be completely unaware of doubles results despite the first part of your fave's career consisting solely of doubles success.

romismak
Oct 31st, 2011, 12:31 AM
Yes they are by far best of their generation. Azarenka is i think better than Wozniacki. She is bigger has more power, but Caro is more consistent so far. But in future i expect Kvitova and Azarenka to stay in top 3 for long time, on other hand Wozniacki is solid enough and consistent to be top 3 to but, somehow don´t believe she will for next few years stay at top. I give Kvitova and Azarenka more chances.

Stonerpova
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:08 AM
Kvitova is more than anyone else. I am not even close to convinced on the big match capabilities of Wozniacki, Azarenka, or Radwanska.

AcesHigh
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:10 AM
....and Wozniacki has what? 10 vulture titles, 12 cakewalk draws and one Slam final to show for it, that Azarenka could have reached playing left-handed.

I just hope for Wozniacki´s sake, that the WTA doesn´t jump off her bandwagon or suddenly Kim, Serena, Lisicki will show up in her draw instead of Gajdosova, Hantuchova and Cibulkova. :lol:

Azarenka has only one slam semi in her entire career.....

ONE!

The Dawntreader
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:14 AM
It's a fools game comparing Azarenka to Wozniacki at this point. Seriously.

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:17 AM
Azarenka has only one slam semi in her entire career.....

ONE!
This has been discussed numerous times already. Azarenka keeps drawing the eventual finalists/champions in majors, Wozniacki OTOH...let's not go there. Azarenka's accomplishments would have been just as "impressive" as Wozniacki's had she been enjoying the same cakewalk draws over and over again.

Basically you replied to a reply which was replying to the same thing you just said.

tsmile789
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:24 AM
This has been discussed numerous times already. Azarenka keeps drawing the eventual finalists/champions in majors, Wozniacki OTOH...let's not go there. Azarenka's accomplishments would have been just as "impressive" as Wozniacki's had she been enjoying the same cakewalk draws over and over again.

Basically you replied to a reply which was replying to the same thing you just said.

indeed true and it proves this year and the year before....she draws serena in almost everytime at australian open n one wimbledon and french open. this year is not different at all. really hope her drawing luck would be better next year cos u need talent but another factor is a good cakewalk draw to get her fuckery open....:bounce::bounce::bounce:

AcesHigh
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:24 AM
I knew someone would bring up that excuse.

At AO, she's been unlucky of course. Although this year, she drew Na Li who Wozniacki had on the ropes.

At RG, what about her loss to Sveta in 2008 or Dulko in 2010.

At Wimbledon, what about Petrova? Kvitova in 2010?

But Kvitova, Sveta, Na Li are all still very good to great opponents.

At USO, there are no excuses however. She lost to Caro in 2008, Fran in 2009 and Dulko in 2010.

So please don't use the draw as an excuse. If she can't beat Caro, Fran or Dulko at USO then i doubt it's just the draws that are preventing her from reaching more than one semi

tsmile789
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:34 AM
it's just her draw has been more unlucky compare to wozniacki....come on i knew i said she's one of the hpe of GS but she nowhere near the big 4 who can handle nearly any kind of stingy draw.
-But wozniacki, she had 6 months, 7 months a whole 51 weeks to prove she the true number 1 and what did she end up with? 2 semi's and 2 losts before QF and most part of it her biggest competitors the likes of clijsters, and both williams isn't merely on tour. Because after ending her 2010 year people did expect her to lift her game up but she FAIL
-Vika and Aga show improvements this year even though they're not mainly strong competitors at slams but comparing to last couple of years, especially Vika she's getting there.
-Petra she's the dope of this GS...cos when's she's on she's unbeatable and plus she barks alot...lolzz

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:39 AM
I knew someone would bring up that excuse.

At AO, she's been unlucky of course. Although this year, she drew Na Li who Wozniacki had on the ropes.

At RG, what about her loss to Sveta in 2008 or Dulko in 2010.

At Wimbledon, what about Petrova? Kvitova in 2010?

But Kvitova, Sveta, Na Li are all still very good to great opponents.

At USO, there are no excuses however. She lost to Caro in 2008, Fran in 2009 and Dulko in 2010.

So please don't use the draw as an excuse. If she can't beat Caro, Fran or Dulko at USO then i doubt it's just the draws that are preventing her from reaching more than one semi
Why are you using her 2008 slam results? Provides lots of credibility when she wasn't even top 10 that year. Also, extremely pathetic that you use a "loss" where Azarenka collapsed on-court as a measuring stick.
It's only an excuse in your eyes, you should check how many times she has lost to eventual finalists/champions in majors since 2009 (year of top 10 ascendency for Woz and Snickers). In fact: I'll do it for you.

2009
AO: eventual champ Williams.
RG: eventual finalist Safina.
Wimbledon: eventual champ Williams
USO: Schiavone

2010
AO: eventual champ Williams
RG: Dulko
Wimbledon: eventual semifinalist Kvitova
USO: Dulko (freak accident)

2011
AO: eventual finalst Li
RG: eventual champion Li
Wimbledon: eventual champion Kvitova
USO: eventual finalist Williams

Wozniacki faced fucking Melanie Oudin in the QF on her way to the USO final in '09. Like I said before, this has been mentioned numerous times before yet people still don't take all this into account.

Blu€
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:52 AM
Wozniacki faced fucking Melanie Oudin in the QF on her way to the USO final in '09. Like I said before, this has been mentioned numerous times before yet people still don't take all this into account.

Vika beat Paszek in the QF to make her first and only SF. :wavey:

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:55 AM
Vika beat Paszek in the QF to make her first and only SF. :wavey:
Yes and you clearly did not get the point. Azarenka draws eventual finalists/champions much more in majors than Wozniacki does and by that logic that also means Azarenka has less semifinals than Wozniacki, THAT's the point. Knowing Wozniacki fans the next "argument" that comes flying at me will be: "It's Vika's fault for not beating them then." Which I will reply to with: "It's not Azarenka's fault for not beating them, because Wozniacki would not have done so either."


Paszek is by the way a much better player than Oudin, for what it's worth.

Blu€
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:03 AM
Yes and you clearly did not get the point. Azarenka draws eventual finalists/champions much more in majors than Wozniacki does and by that logic that also means Azarenka has less semifinals than Wozniacki, THAT's the point. And it's not Azarenka's fault for not beating them, because Wozniacki would not have done so either.


Paszek is by the way a much better player than Oudin, for what it's worth.

My point being, don't mock Wozniacki's achievement when Vika's biggest achievement came the same way.
And you don't know what Wozniacki would have done, unless you have magical powers.

BTW Oudin beat (Pavlychenkova, Sharapova, Dementieva and Petrova to get to that QF, Paszek... Morita, Mchale, Schiavone and Pervak, quite a difference.)

n1_and_uh_noone
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:06 AM
Yes and you clearly did not get the point. Azarenka draws eventual finalists/champions much more in majors than Wozniacki does and by that logic that also means Azarenka has less semifinals than Wozniacki, THAT's the point. Knowing Wozniacki fans the next "argument" that comes flying at me will be: "It's Vika's fault for not beating them then." Which I will reply to with: "It's not Azarenka's fault for not beating them, because Wozniacki would not have done so either."


Statement 1 is a fact.

Statement 2 is mindless speculation.

Brad[le]y.
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:15 AM
Azarenka/Wozniacki fans :hug:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3935/carolinewozniackivictor.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/carolinewozniackivictor.jpg/)



let's get along :lol:

tsmile789
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:17 AM
Azarenka/Wozniacki fans :hug:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3935/carolinewozniackivictor.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/carolinewozniackivictor.jpg/)



let's get along :lol:

yeah it's not a bashing thread

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:20 AM
My point being, don't mock Wozniacki's achievement when Vika's biggest achievement came the same way.
And you don't know what Wozniacki would have done, unless you have magical powers.

BTW Oudin beat (Pavlychenkova, Sharapova, Dementieva and Petrova to get to that QF, Paszek... Morita, Mchale, Schiavone and Pervak, quite a difference.)
Wozniacki lost to Peak Safina on clay before RG + there is no way that she is ever going to beat Williams in a major, she failed to even win a set this year during her best slam when Williams wasn't even playing well. Wozniacki is also not going to beat Kvitova on grass (as evidenced by the 62 60 drubbing from '10). She lost to Li at the AO this year like Azarenka did, and would definitely not beat Peak Li on clay (a surface which is not comfortable for Woz while Li was hitting her stride on this surface).

You can say what you want but this is by far the most probable IMO.

Blu€
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:31 AM
Wozniacki lost to Peak Safina on clay before RG + there is no way that she is ever going to beat Williams in a major, she failed to even win a set this year during her best slam when Williams wasn't even playing well. Wozniacki is also not going to beat Kvitova on grass (as evidenced by the 62 60 drubbing from '10). She lost to Li at the AO this year like Azarenka did, and would definitely not beat Peak Li on clay (a surface which is not comfortable for Woz while Li was hitting her stride on this surface).

You can say what you want but this is by far the most probable IMO.

Well who thought Li was going to win RG this year or Francesca last year? and what about Sam against Serena this year? You just don't know what or would have happen no matter what!

Vika has had some bad luck at draws true, but using it as an excuse it's just ...

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:41 AM
Well who thought Li was going to win RG this year or Francesca last year? and what about Sam against Serena this year? You just don't know what or would have happen no matter what!

Vika has had some bad luck at draws true, but using it as an excuse it's just ...
Right. I'm not even going to bother.

sammy01
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:08 AM
while i agree vika has had it more tough in slams with her draws, her game isn't anything to shout about. she is on a level with caro in tennis terms, not achievements yet but she will probably be in a couple of years.

both however are nowhere near petra, serena or kim, so it is like arguing whether a celeb is c or d list when it comes to arguing about caro and vika

JCTennisFan
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:45 AM
Kvitova yes... Azarenka not so much. The more I watch Azarenka the more I think her career will parallel Zvonereva's. Zvonereva was a player who was good early on but was never able to get a slam F until her mentality improved. Even still though, she only managed two gs F and since then has weakened in form.

Azarenka will possibly get to a Slam F in her career... but im not so sure that she will ever win one. Lets not forget that Azarenka was winning Miami when Kvitova was unheard of.... so its not like Azarenka has come out of nowhere. She has been consistently going deep for a while.. and sadly I dont see an improvement in her game now vrs in 2009.

In contrast, Kvitova in 2009 was atleast 25 pounds heavier, was less consistent, and moved worse. So while Kvitova is showing steady signs of improvement, Azarenka has largely been stagnant for nearly 3 years now.

dsanders06
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:04 AM
Wozniacki is obviously miles ahead than Azarenka in accomplishments right now, but you can definitely make a case that Azarenka has shown more potential and will likely have the better career, seeing as she's had more success aginst the top players (wins over Serena and Kim, gave the Real #1 a much tougher match than Wozniacki this week), and because she's clearly on an upwards trajectory with improved results all season, whereas Wozniacki first stalled and is now clearly in reverse. Like I said on the first page, I'm not convinced that she's going to win a Slam, but I'd certainly rate her chances higher than Wozniacki's at this point (though I probably wouldn't've done a few months ago).

Roookie
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:07 AM
Vika is probably now where Caro was a year ago. A player at her peak who's defense and high percentage game is a nightmare for top players not playing their best. But in the slams soon or later they'll meet some big hitter on a roll and this will not be enough.

Sergius
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:17 AM
Exactly and if she had Wozniacki´s cakewalk Slam draws, she´d have 2-3 finals minimum.
More like that was because she had a period in her career when she could have lost to Dulko in straight sets.

All I know when Vika steps onto her best surface Grand Slam semifinal against the biggest big match choker in the top ten in Zvonareva, she won´t get bitchslapped off the court in two sets. When Vika steps onto the court for a big Slam match with Serena, she´ll make Serena earn it and not just roll over.
A mess :lol:

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:21 AM
Petra is of course..no doubts.

Azarenka SHOULD be, but she still needs a real breakthrough. Caroline imo people have already figured her out and so the clock's ticking there.

BikezAreForever!
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:07 PM
I like Vika's chances for GS win more than Caro's. While Caro's plan is to wait for opponents errors, Vika is capable of forcing the issue. She has more attacking game and steadily improved during last and this year. This is contrasting to Woz who is playing less and less convincingly, has no professional tennis coach and is less fit than a year ago. Caro has got ahead some tough decisions before she can think about winning GS. :wavey:

goldenlox
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:24 PM
As Kim and Serena get older, the landscape is changing.
Thats easy to see when Fran, Sam and Li win majors.
Its going to come down to: who can improve, who can handle the pressure of slam semis and finals, and this age group will have their opportunities for another several years

Break My Rapture
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:50 PM
Kvitova yes... Azarenka not so much. The more I watch Azarenka the more I think her career will parallel Zvonereva's. Zvonereva was a player who was good early on but was never able to get a slam F until her mentality improved. Even still though, she only managed two gs F and since then has weakened in form.

Azarenka will possibly get to a Slam F in her career... but im not so sure that she will ever win one. Lets not forget that Azarenka was winning Miami when Kvitova was unheard of.... so its not like Azarenka has come out of nowhere. She has been consistently going deep for a while.. and sadly I dont see an improvement in her game now vrs in 2009.

In contrast, Kvitova in 2009 was atleast 25 pounds heavier, was less consistent, and moved worse. So while Kvitova is showing steady signs of improvement, Azarenka has largely been stagnant for nearly 3 years now.
Not true. I feel like Azarenka's first serve has become slightly heavier and that her FH has become more solid and reliable (especially when compared to 2009). Azarenka is a very gradual improver, her development is going steady but almost unnoticed unlike for example Kvitova, whose game enhancement is as visibly big as a rocket and in a rather short span of time.

tsmile789
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:18 PM
i know it's totally irrelevant but vika's also getting attention for off-season schedule lolzzzz
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=154849 it's like the TF of celebrity world...haha^^

Patrick345
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:30 PM
i know it's totally irrelevant but vika's also getting attention for off-season schedule lolzzzz
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=154849 it's like the TF of celebrity world...haha^^

I just hope her and Caro don´t play doubles with Lukashenko again, cause if he couldn´t afford shoes last year, he´s probably down to a g-string this year. :tape::tape:

Kworb
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:31 PM
They are the reason Generation Suck is called Generation Suck.