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VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:12 AM
I attempting to try and start making decent debatable threads on TF instead of the pointless ones we have on a daily basis. I'll start with this. (Granted there will always be a clique of trolls that think this is so one sided)

Who has the better PEAK forehand between the 2 ladies? Both women have incredible forehands at their best and it is their best shot. But both women also hit their forehands totally differently.

For me: I have to go with Svetlana, but it is really close. I give Svetlana the edge because of her fitness and spin. Svetlana is gonna get to more balls with more time 85% of the time, her grip allows her to whip that forehand from really anywhere. Though Ana hits a harder flatter forehand Svetlana's forehand is so heavy with spin which I think it more difficult to deal with.

Discuss. :)

KBlade
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:17 AM
At their absolute best, Svetlana has much more variety on that wing, as well as the ability to clobber the ball, as opposed to Ivanovic, who at her best, really doesn't do anything more but attempt to blast everything from that wing as flat as possible.

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:28 AM
At their absolute best, Svetlana has much more variety on that wing, as well as the ability to clobber the ball, as opposed to Ivanovic, who at her best, really doesn't do anything more but attempt to blast everything from that wing as flat as possible.

Agreed. But credit to Ana on the fact that at her best, she gets on the inside of that forehand and basically just clobbers the ball where ever she wants, any angle. The reason this is so inconsistent for her though is her movement and huge back swing. She needs time to get around the ball and set up her shot, but her movement is eh.

Balltossovic
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:33 AM
I'd give Ana the edge. Though, as stated above, Sveta can do more with it, has more variety, Ana actually does more flat out damage with it, more consistantly.

Balltossovic
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:36 AM
At their absolute best, Svetlana has much more variety on that wing, as well as the ability to clobber the ball, as opposed to Ivanovic, who at her best, really doesn't do anything more but attempt to blast everything from that wing as flat as possible.
Disagree. Ana will, more often than not, attempt to contruct points with that shot. Tries to open up the court and then blast the winner. Or, once in a blue moon *gasps* go to net:lol:

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:39 AM
I'd give Ana the edge. Though, as stated above, Sveta can do more with it, has more variety, Ana actually does more flat out damage with it, more consistantly.

I think Ana is less consistent by a lot actually, as I stated why above. Why do you think she is more consistent?

Balltossovic
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:42 AM
I think she hits more winners on average a match that Sveta does:unsure:

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:47 AM
That doesn't mean it's more consistent and or wins her those matches...

The 2nd Law
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Sveta's fh is more consistent, but let's be honest, the consistency gap is not huge. As biased as I am I am of course going with Ana's here, it is a brutal shot when she plays well. See Zvonareva match in Beijing for a recent example.

thegreendestiny
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:56 AM
Svetlana of course. Ana's forehand is nothing more but a ballbashing machine with a high level of accuracy back then.

Yoncé
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:47 AM
Sveta. Both are just incredible, awe inspiring shots when they are on. I give the edge to Kuzy though simple because she is a bit more consistent and can do more with it. IMO. Svetlana has a better inside out forehand IMHO also, which could be seen as a deciding factor. Sveta also has much greater variety. And as stated early, Svetlana cant destroy the ball and hit winner after winner. When Ana tries to do that there is a much greater margin for error, and each stroke is a massive toss up. Which, again, cements the fact of Sveta's consistency.

Sombrerero loco
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:48 AM
Vip :)

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:59 AM
For me it's Svetlana's one :shrug:. She has more variety on that wing and she can hit it from anywhere on the court :yeah:, she has more spin on it and she can produce angles with it. Ana's forehand depends on how well she moves with her feet, if she doesn't move well to the right then she hits it wide or long :angel:.

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Ana's :p.

Mikey.
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:01 PM
When you say peak, it would have to be Ana wouldn't it? :lol: When playing her best, she can just about hit a winner from anywhere on the court time after time. Though I guess Sveta's is pretty good and probably does have a little more variety. Really though when you have a forehand that pretty much allows you to take control of the point the instant you get a chance to hit it, then you can't really look past Ana's when in peak form. That's what I think anyway.

Sammo
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:03 PM
At their primes I'd say Ivanovic

The 2nd Law
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:25 PM
When you say peak, it would have to be Ana wouldn't it? :lol: When playing her best, she can just about hit a winner from anywhere on the court time after time. Though I guess Sveta's is pretty good and probably does have a little more variety. Really though when you have a forehand that pretty much allows you to take control of the point the instant you get a chance to hit it, then you can't really look past Ana's when in peak form. That's what I think anyway.

Biased as I am, this is the way I see it too.

Maidenhair
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Ana.

Maidenhair
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:28 PM
When you say peak, it would have to be Ana wouldn't it? :lol: When playing her best, she can just about hit a winner from anywhere on the court time after time. Though I guess Sveta's is pretty good and probably does have a little more variety. Really though when you have a forehand that pretty much allows you to take control of the point the instant you get a chance to hit it, then you can't really look past Ana's when in peak form. That's what I think anyway.

This.

The 2nd Law
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:33 PM
Forgive me if this isn't an interesting/relevant discussion, but who has the more devastating fh: Kvitova or Ivanovic? I feel like everyone on here will shut me down on that one and if it were a poll it'd probs be one sided for Petra. I however, think it's a relevant comparison. Both are rally ending shots pretty much immediately when "on"

danieln1
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Ivanovic.

Next :rolleyes:

Tezuka.
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Sveta.

atominside
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:51 PM
People tend to underestimate how actually GOOD Sveta was, however Ana's is more lethal. I;ll go with Ana.

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Really surprised Sveta isn't winning this poll. I think Sveta has a more letal forehand because she can put it anywhere in the court as well, but her spin allows her to do so much more with it and hit through the ball every single time. At Ana's peak she still has her movement issue that just hinders her too much.

Cajka
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:44 PM
Forgive me if this isn't an interesting/relevant discussion, but who has the more devastating fh: Kvitova or Ivanovic? I feel like everyone on here will shut me down on that one and if it were a poll it'd probs be one sided for Petra. I however, think it's a relevant comparison. Both are rally ending shots pretty much immediately when "on"

Even in Ana's most horrible matches, she is able to hit at least 10 fh winners. When Petra's fh is off, it's just useless. It's pretty much a hit or miss shot. When she hits a winner or makes an UE it's always after 2 shots, no points construction, no rallies, she'll simply try to find some amazing angles. When it works, it looks amazing, when it doesn't work, it's painful to watch. She hits her forehand harder than Slumpana, that's for sure. But, peak Ana or near peak Ana was probably hitting it almost as hard as Kvitty does. Especially before Yonex era.

And, yes, somebody will shut you down very soon, this is a bandwagon board.

OsloErik
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:49 PM
The thread should be titled: "Which of these long-irrelevant players used to have the better forehand: Svetlana Kuznetsova vs. Ana Ivanovic"

WTA Slogan / Advertising Tie-In idea for 2012: Remember when these players mattered? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Leo_DFP
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:03 PM
This is an odd question to pose because their forehand techniques are so different.

If the question really is who has a better PEAK fh between the two, my vote goes to Sveta. She could do so much more with her forehand when she was in the zone. She could blast with power, use spin, create angle, open up the court or finish a point, hit flat or with topspin, etc. Ana's was always one dimensional but for a brief time was amazingly accurate. Based on pure talent and options, I say Sveta.

thegreendestiny
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:00 PM
Sveta's forehand was able to defeat GOATrena more than once. Ana's, even in her peak, can not beat a rusty Serena. :shrug:

Laura_VeeFan
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:21 PM
If we are talking about peaks then Ana because she could hit it from almost anywhere on court and make so many winners out of it during a match

However I'd say Sveta's is slightly better on a more consistant basis since it has more variety and she has beaten many great players with it

Moveyourfeet
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:46 PM
This is easily Svetlana.

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:48 PM
you are trying to stir up shit with Anci fans :happy:

Sveta of course :D

Nicolás89
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:55 PM
Hard to choose. Both are technically delicious to see though. :drool:
I would vote for Sveta's only because I like how much top spin she can produce when on.

Balltossovic
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:04 PM
Sveta's forehand was able to defeat GOATrena more than once. Ana's, even in her peak, can not beat a rusty Serena. :shrug:
Peak Ana never played Serena:unsure:

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Peak Ana never played Serena:unsure:

I think they are talking about the match they played at Dubai. Serena played very well in that match and Ana kept it close and played extremely well also.

hZslPEreUWE

Renalicious
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:10 AM
Ana. By far for me.

Svetlana's forehand is amazing but even at it's best it will be very sporadic. A more fair question would be Sveta's vs. Elena's forehand.

Svetlana)))
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:10 AM
Sveta's forehand was able to defeat GOATrena more than once. Ana's, even in her peak, can not beat a rusty Serena. :shrug:

QFT. The thing with all the pre-pubescent Ana fans is that they are assuming at both Sveta and Ana's peak, they are the ones dominating all the rallies and taking control of the full court. This is not true - even during Ana's peak 07-08, she was still very vulnerable to being overpowered on the court and couldn't do SHIT with that mythical forehand; see Sharapova 07 YEC. Sveta might not have as good a rally-ending shot but her forehand allows her to navigate tricky situations better and stand her ground against the biggest hitters. Can Ana do that? NO.

delicatecutter
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:23 AM
Ana has the best FH since Graf. She wins this contest in my eyes.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:30 AM
Ana has the best FH since Graf. She wins this contest in my eyes.

OMG :haha:

delicatecutter
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:36 AM
I could modify to say peak Ana, but it doesn't make the statement any less true.

VeeJJ
Oct 31st, 2011, 02:57 AM
QFT. The thing with all the pre-pubescent Ana fans is that they are assuming at both Sveta and Ana's peak, they are the ones dominating all the rallies and taking control of the full court. This is not true - even during Ana's peak 07-08, she was still very vulnerable to being overpowered on the court and couldn't do SHIT with that mythical forehand; see Sharapova 07 YEC. Sveta might not have as good a rally-ending shot but her forehand allows her to navigate tricky situations better and stand her ground against the biggest hitters. Can Ana do that? NO.

This.

Well said.

delicatecutter
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:00 AM
Someone should check the h2h between Sveta and Ana. Both are righties. Someone seems to have the edge when it comes to fh to fh rallies.

Linguae^
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:01 AM
Ana's used to be so brutal and massive, producing many winners and attacking on every point. Svet'as was really good and consistent, proper, wise...
I would take both of them :lol:

PS. Nowadays, Ana's is a ballbashing machine or just a net machine, while Svetlana's is nowhere.

moby
Oct 31st, 2011, 03:03 AM
Obviously peak Ana. How else could she win a slam with the rest of her game?

Second thoughts: just remembered that the only top 10 player she had to play to win her slam was her bitch JJ, and that none of the players she had to play had even reached a Slam final before that tournament.

Svetlana)))
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:21 AM
Someone should check the h2h between Sveta and Ana. Both are righties. Someone seems to have the edge when it comes to fh to fh rallies.

Stick to ice-skating :facepalm:

Dominic
Oct 31st, 2011, 04:57 AM
Kuznetsova has more variety but Ana's is still better.