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justineheninfan
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:23 PM
I feel very confident in predicting Kvitova will win both the WTA and ITF Player of the Year Awards regardless of the outcome of the WTA Championships final.

iPatty
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:19 PM
They have to give one of them to Wozniacki, even if she doesn't deserve it at all.

dsanders06
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:23 PM
She's a shoo-in for the WTA one, no doubt about it.

Not sure about the ITF one... they didn't give it to Kim last year, and I don't see that Petra has had a stronger season than Kim had last year :shrug: They certainly SHOULD give it to Petra seeing as she has been near-unanimously declared the Real #1, though.

Break My Rapture
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:23 PM
What iPatty said.

justineheninfan
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:25 PM
They have to give one of them to Wozniacki, even if she doesn't deserve it at all.

I totally disagree. Davenport didnt win an award in 2005, and Hingis didnt in 2001. They dont have to give an award to Wozniacki and I will be shocked if they do.

Mistress of Evil
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Hope so, but doubt it.

dragonflies
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:37 PM
The ITF one seemed always go to the number one in WTA ranking which is strange b/c ITF has to value Grandslam results more...

goldenlox
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:38 PM
It does seem strange that the WTA award favors winning ITF majors
ITF award favors WTA rankings

Soliloque
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:41 PM
The ITF one seemed always go to the number one in WTA ranking which is strange b/c ITF has to value Grandslam results more...

They gave their Player of the Year Awards to 4 non number one players in the last ten years :shrug:


Kvitova will get only one.

dsanders06
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:52 PM
It does seem strange that the WTA award favors winning ITF majors
ITF award favors WTA rankings

Shows even the WTA know in their heart of hearts how out of step with reality the ranking system is :wavey:

Belmont Lad
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:33 AM
Kvitova should get both, if she wins tomorrow. She'll then be Wimbledon champion, YEC champion, 6 titles, and would be sitting just shy of Pushniacki numerically for #1. No brainer.

Soliloque
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:36 AM
Kvitova should get both, if she wins tomorrow. She'll then be Wimbledon champion, YEC champion, 6 titles, and would be sitting just shy of Pushniacki numerically for #1. No brainer.

Just like Kim last year. US champ, Masters champ, Miami champ, etc... and still Wozniacki player of the year. There's no such thing as no brainer when it comes to women's tennis.

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Wozniacki the last 6-7 months has been a complete embarassment for a #1 ranked player. Not just in the Slams but on the regular tour as well. I will be quite surprised if she wins either award this year. If Kvitova wins the WTA Championship final and does not win both I will be even more shocked.

spencercarlos
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:09 AM
I feel very confident in predicting Kvitova will win both the WTA and ITF Player of the Year Awards regardless of the outcome of the WTA Championships final.
Great Jinx thread. Not watch Petra lose something like 6-1 6-1 tomorrow.

Were not you the one predicting Sharapova being on her way to finish number one before the Usopen? yeah.. you were.. :oh:

spencercarlos
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:10 AM
I totally disagree. Davenport didnt win an award in 2005, and Hingis didnt in 2001. They dont have to give an award to Wozniacki and I will be shocked if they do.
Hingis was not number one in 2001.

AcesHigh
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:18 AM
Great Jinx thread. Not watch Petra lose something like 6-1 6-1 tomorrow.

Were not you the one predicting Sharapova being on her way to finish number one before the Usopen? yeah.. you were.. :oh:

:worship:

This thread is premature.. can the OP not wait one day?

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:28 AM
Great Jinx thread. Not watch Petra lose something like 6-1 6-1 tomorrow.

Were not you the one predicting Sharapova being on her way to finish number one before the Usopen? yeah.. you were.. :oh:

Considering Maria would have ended the year #1 without her fluke fall injury it was actually a great prediction, so if that is the best you can do then :help: Wozniacki was BEHIND Sharapova in race points at that point, did shit all the rest of the year (just as I predicted she would) and still ended #1 somehow. If I had done a poll who was most likely to end the year #1 at that point I am sure Sharapova would have had by far the most votes as well.

Also I said nothing about the outcome of tommorows match. My original post was win or lose tommorow, as I dont think Kvitova even has to win it in order to be named Player of the Year.

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:29 AM
:worship:

This thread is premature.. can the OP not wait one day?

My prediction was not even based on the outcome of the final, as my initial post made clear. I never even expressed a strong feeling on the outcome of tommorows match, but dont think it will be relevant in the end. You are also the last one who should be talking about premature threads (have you forgotten your wonderous Eastborne Vera-Serena match thread from earlier in the year :tape:, your Serena lock to win U.S Open title thread, amongst others).

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:31 AM
Hingis was not number one in 2001.

Sorry I forgot Davenport passed her by year end #1. Either way Davenport in 2001 and 2005 was by FAR a better #1 than Wozniacki's joke #1 year this year, and even she didnt win either the ITF or WTA awards. Granted she was beaten by people who had better years than Kvitova's year this year as well, but still.

spencercarlos
Oct 30th, 2011, 03:02 AM
Considering Maria would have ended the year #1 without her fluke fall injury it was actually a great prediction, so if that is the best you can do then :help: Wozniacki was BEHIND Sharapova in race points at that point, did shit all the rest of the year (just as I predicted she would) and still ended #1 somehow. If I had done a poll who was most likely to end the year #1 at that point I am sure Sharapova would have had by far the most votes as well.

Also I said nothing about the outcome of tommorows match. My original post was win or lose tommorow, as I dont think Kvitova even has to win it in order to be named Player of the Year.
Yeah but consider the WTA and ITF naming the player of the year someone losing very badly tomorrow. It could happen. :confused:

Reaching the final of the YEC would not certainly be enough, i think its a must win tomorrow. That would seal her the second spot, and winning 2 of the biggest 5 events.. a RU finish and a 3rd ranked for the year's end, its kind of weak for her argument as the player of the year.

AcesHigh
Oct 30th, 2011, 03:04 AM
My prediction was not even based on the outcome of the final, as my initial post made clear. I never even expressed a strong feeling on the outcome of tommorows match, but dont think it will be relevant in the end. You are also the last one who should be talking about premature threads (have you forgotten your wonderous Eastborne Vera-Serena match thread from earlier in the year :tape:, your Serena lock to win U.S Open title thread, amongst others).

Do you even remember what those threads were?

The only fail was the Vera thread in which I said even an overweight Serena wouldnt lose to Vera. And.. Serena stopped moving and lost the match.

In the others, I never guaranteed Serena to win anything unlike yourself.

Brad[le]y.
Oct 30th, 2011, 03:08 AM
can't we just wait and see if Petra wins tomorrow? :confused:

iPatty
Oct 30th, 2011, 03:27 AM
Kvitova should get both, if she wins tomorrow. She'll then be Wimbledon champion, YEC champion, 6 titles, and would be sitting just shy of Pushniacki numerically for #1. No brainer.

Let's not forget she still has the Fed Cup F to play. :bounce:

C. Drone
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:27 AM
Shows even the WTA know in their heart of hearts how out of step with reality the ranking system is :wavey:

and ITF (organizers of Slams) isnt? you just contradicted yourself.

Jajaloo
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:34 AM
She deserves it. The bible will have to be re-written when she retires. Petresus Christova :worship:

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:27 PM
Do you even remember what those threads were?

The only fail was the Vera thread in which I said even an overweight Serena wouldnt lose to Vera. And.. Serena stopped moving and lost the match.

In the others, I never guaranteed Serena to win anything unlike yourself.

I never guaranteed Kvitova to win the final of the WTA Championships, which had nothing to do with my original post. It is you who cant read. Also making a spoil thread where you rant angrily the mental gap between Vera and Serena is the biggest ever, and act like the match is over, just because Vera didnt close out the 2nd set, is a dumber thread than I would ever dare make. Not to mention your Serena biggest lock in many years to win a Slam title pre U.S Open (which flopped on its face), and countless other classics.

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:58 PM
Kvitova has WTA POY award in the bag but not the ITF, yet. She MUST win today to secure YEC title and year-end no.2 AND also Fed Cup later. Anything less, Caro gets it again. Without Fed Cup to be played, I'd say Wozniacki regardless of YEC result but the reason ITF went with Myskina in 2004 was her performance at Fed Cup so if KvittyGOAT helps her team win it, she gets both awards.

cecilija
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:03 PM
Fed cup will determine it if she gets both. Regardless of the outcome today, she should get the WTA one.

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Kvitova has WTA POY award in the bag but not the ITF, yet. She MUST win today to secure YEC title and year-end no.2 AND also Fed Cup later. Anything less, Caro gets it again. Without Fed Cup to be played, I'd say Wozniacki regardless of YEC result but the reason ITF went with Myskina in 2004 was her performance at Fed Cup so if KvittyGOAT helps her team win it, she gets both awards.

Good point about Fed Cup. I thought Myskina getting the ITF award was the most ridiculous choice ever (even over Wozniacki's ITF award last year and Wade's 77 WTA award). However it must have been based on something additional (in conjuction with her FO title), so it had to be Fed Cup.

cecilija
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:22 PM
Good point about Fed Cup. I thought Myskina getting the ITF award was the most ridiculous choice ever (even over Wozniacki's ITF award last year and Wade's 77 WTA award). However it must have been based on something additional (in conjuction with her FO title), so it had to be Fed Cup.

Fed cup and Davis cup are huge for ITF. You should have known that.

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Good point about Fed Cup. I thought Myskina getting the ITF award was the most ridiculous choice ever (even over Wozniacki's ITF award last year and Wade's 77 WTA award). However it must have been based on something additional (in conjuction with her FO title), so it had to be Fed Cup.

I remember this from their official statement. They value rankings and Fed Cup more than slams:o
KvittyGOAT has just won WTA POY. Now win Fed Cup final and get that ITF award too!

cecilija
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:55 PM
I remember this from their official statement. They value rankings and Fed Cup more than slams:o
KvittyGOAT has just won WTA POY. Now win Fed Cup final and get that ITF award too!

Actually Henin got it in 2006 ahead of Mauresmo due to a Fed cup final, so I think she's got it in the bag regardless of the final outcome.

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Actually Henin got it in 2006 ahead of Mauresmo due to a Fed cup final, so I think she's got it in the bag regardless of the final outcome.

No she got it because she was no.1 and Mauresmo was no.3 at the end of the year. Henin was much more consistent despite losing 3 slam finals:lol: Fed Cup had no effect in 2006. She quit in the doubles match and Belgium lost if I remember correctly:tape:

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Hopefully Wozniacki ending the year #1 over Kvitova now, one of the all time embarassments of the ranking system, will force the WTA to change many things about the current pathetic ranking system. Maybe an intelligent individual such as Rollo and dsanders could send in their suggestions via a latter to the WTA for a points system that would work better. The currently weak WTA should not be doing even more to aleniate people from following them.

Monzanator
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Even if Czech Republic loses the Fed Cup, who is there against Kvitova? Neither of the Russians has a realistic chance of the ITF award :shrug:

cecilija
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:01 PM
No she got it because she was no.1 and Mauresmo was no.3 at the end of the year. Henin was much more consistent despite losing 3 slam finals:lol: Fed Cup had no effect in 2006. She quit in the doubles match and Belgium lost if I remember correctly:tape:

Yes, that's why I think the fed cup final alone will be enough. I remember it being mentioned in the official IT statement and Henin was unbeaten in singles that year.

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:12 PM
Even if Czech Republic loses the Fed Cup, who is there against Kvitova? Neither of the Russians has a realistic chance of the ITF award :shrug:

Wozniacki. Don't laugh :lol:If you knew ITF's history with this award you wouldn't be surprised.
I think their criteria is something like
1. Year-end no.1
2. Playing full schedule
3. Fed Cup

Slams really don't matter for this award. Even a two-slam difference may not be enough to win(Hingis over V.Williams 2000)

Even now I think Wozniacki has the edge by ITF standards:tape: Fed Cup win should be enough for Kvitova. Perhaps Caro already winning last year can also help Kvitova.

spencercarlos
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Hopefully Wozniacki ending the year #1 over Kvitova now, one of the all time embarassments of the ranking system, will force the WTA to change many things about the current pathetic ranking system. Maybe an intelligent individual such as Rollo and dsanders could send in their suggestions via a latter to the WTA for a points system that would work better. The currently weak WTA should not be doing even more to aleniate people from following them.
Last year you had the same result. Kim won a slam and the YEC, and they did nothing.

The purpose is very clear, to encourage whores to play tournament after tournament and not really caring who really the top players are.

Unless this does not go back to the divisor system, this thing will never work again. And its been sucking for more than 10 years now..

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Last year you had the same result. Kim won a slam and the YEC, and they did nothing.

The purpose is very clear, to encourage whores to play tournament after tournament and not really caring who really the top players are.

Unless this does not go back to the divisor system, this thing will never work again. And its been sucking for more than 10 years now..

I think you are right. Still it isnt good for the game IMO. The WTA has enough issues with the quality of the product they are putting out (cant really control that, it isnt their fault a group of overall less talented and consistent players are currently the ones in their primes), that seeing rankings that make no sense to even serious tennis fans, let alone more casual fans, is only adding to the current negative image the WTA is giving of themselves.

Their current system clearly isnt making the Serena Williams or Kim Clijsters of the World play more. They are old women (in tennis year only of course, lol) who have had lots of injuries, and have many pursuits of the court now. A system that gave a push to the Wozniackis and Radwanskas and the games other so called current and future stars, to feel they had to improve their games to win the big titles would be more beneficial to get the WTA out of its current slump (if that is even possible anytime soon).

cowsonice
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:17 PM
Am I the only person who doesn't really value these WTA/ITF awards?

The accomplishments should speak for themselves.

Lucemferre
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:18 PM
Last year you had the same result. Kim won a slam and the YEC, and they did nothing.

The purpose is very clear, to encourage whores to play tournament after tournament and not really caring who really the top players are.

Unless this does not go back to the divisor system, this thing will never work again. And its been sucking for more than 10 years now..

Clijsters lost it because she finished last year at no.3 and played a part time schedule, only 11 tournaments. Definitely not surprising when you have Hingis-V.Williams example from 2000.

swim4life227
Oct 30th, 2011, 07:29 PM
It'll be a joke if Woz gets it over Kvitova. Caroline didn't even make a Slam Final or a YEC Semi. They have the same amount of titles but:

Wimbledon/YEC/Madrid/Paris/Brisbane/Linz>>>>>>>>>>>Indian Wells/Dubai/Brussels/New Haven/Copenhagan/Charleston. Not even a contest.

Pair that with the fact that Kvitova went undefeated on a surface and could bring home the Fed Cup for her country. Not to mention Caroline has had very poor results since the FO onward.

Lucemferre
Nov 6th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Now with the Fed Cup title (won both her matches) ITF award is hers too.

KvittyGOAT is now officially the player of the year :rocker:

justineheninfan
Nov 7th, 2011, 10:07 PM
With the Fed Cup title there now should be no doubt the ITF will also pick Kvitova (the WTA was already a foregone conclusion).

bbjpa
Nov 7th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Tennis is saved :bigclap:

Imperfect Angel
Dec 13th, 2011, 11:00 AM
Great prediction.:worship: :worship: :worship:

justineheninfan
Dec 13th, 2011, 06:12 PM
Thank you, but it was a fairly easy prediction to make.