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Matze
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:49 PM
I have a question about Venus Williams.

In her earlier career she had the greatest backhand on tour - but a not so good forehand.
Now she sets up the majority of her points with a strong forehand - on which she really worked and which she fixed. But since that I think she lost her great backhand, now her backhand is just solid.

What do you guys think about that? I donīt come to any conclusion. Is it an athletic thing or did she change technique. Or didnīt she train that backhand seriously enough anymore? What do you think...

I mean working on her weaker forehand over the years shouldnīt mean she weakens her backhand.

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Wait...Venus still plays tennis? :lol:

Matze
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Wait...Venus still plays tennis? :lol:

I do think so :lol: Most of the time better than some others ^^

akosijepoy
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:00 PM
Her backhand hasn't been the same since she had the left wrist surgery in 2004 or 2006.

Macomere
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:02 PM
I do think so :lol: Most of the time better than some others ^^

:oh: pwned :hysteric:

The Dawntreader
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:08 PM
It never had the same fluidity post 2006 wrist surgery.

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:13 PM
Her BH DTL :drool: on the run is still the business but she doesn't really hit it from a neutral position like she used to.

The Dawntreader
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Her BH DTL :drool: on the run is still the business but she doesn't really hit it from a neutral position like she used to.

Her BH is almost exclusively open-stanced now. Therefore she's less able to rotate her wrist and change the direction explosively. Back in the day, it was a tad less open, and she was able to control and re-direct the shot with easy pace and disguise. Now she almost has to drag her whole body-weight into the shot DTL.

frenchie
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:22 PM
She used to hit her BH DTL at will with great power and accuracy.

Now she's very reluctant to go DTL and it's not a deadly shot anymore

Sammo
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:24 PM
I do think so :lol: Most of the time better than some others ^^

Than who? Domachowska?

The Witch-king
Nov 6th, 2011, 08:19 PM
^^ *updates ignore list*
I have a question about Venus Williams.

In her earlier career she had the greatest backhand on tour - but a not so good forehand.
Now she sets up the majority of her points with a strong forehand - on which she really worked and which she fixed. But since that I think she lost her great backhand, now her backhand is just solid.

What do you guys think about that? I donīt come to any conclusion. Is it an athletic thing or did she change technique. Or didnīt she train that backhand seriously enough anymore? What do you think...

I mean working on her weaker forehand over the years shouldnīt mean she weakens her backhand.

You're right, she made a concerted effort to improve her forehand and I think it was around the 2008 US Open when I first noticed her running around her backhand to hit inside out forehands consistently. Back then her backhand, in my opinion, was pretty good but not as spectacular as prior years.

I put the more recent deterioration of her BH down to three factors:
1.Her left knee injury. When suffering from that injury she seems to be unable to push off her left leg w causing her to hit short imprecise backhands. At the height of that injury (2010 US Open) her backhand was shockingly poor.

2. Her tendency to hit with an open-stance. The Dawntreader has already pointed this out. I think O-S certainly backhands have their advantages and Venus has been hitting this shot since the beginning of her career but she has a tendency to be lazy in her footwork these days and sometimes when hitting the ball in the middle of the court she will LITERALLY JUST STAND THERE and swing :o :lol: and I don't think that helps at all.

3. Her racket change. I honestly believe, and this is from my own personal experience, that the older "head-heavy" rackets lend themselves better to hitting heavier backhands. I may be wrong but the bigger racket-heads that Venus used to play with seemed to have this quality. It looked to me like she just took a swing and the momentum created by the heavy racket just did its thing.

Juss my two cents.

volta
Nov 6th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Those MONSTROUS BH DTL against Capriati at the USopen still make me :drool:

sammy01
Nov 6th, 2011, 10:00 PM
i think venus may have been hurt by the gradual slowing down of courts over time and the higher bounce that is more common now. her backhand is best when she actually hits it pretty low (knee to waist height), where as most 2 handers like hip to shoulder height hit points now. it is one of the reasons grass has been such a good surface for her (plus several other things).

she has a very unique low take back where she sort of cocks the wrists and then snaps them through the shot. this prep on shoulder to head height balls is probably a nightmare for her.

one of the 2 reasons i think venus has lost to kim over the last few years (stamina being the other) is the backhand to backhand rallies. whilst both can spank forehands and make crass errors on that side, venus better serve canceled out by kim's great return and movement, the real difference is kim looking more comfortable and able to angle backhands from most heights open or closed stance.

JCTennisFan
Nov 7th, 2011, 12:42 AM
Like the others have said, its probably injury related. But also... I think personally that it atleast shows that Venus has been willing to actively work to improve her game. She knew her FH was her weaker shot and now it is not. Whether that is totally up her to determination or more largely because of her wrist injury we will never know... but atleast some of it has been that her FH has truely gotten better with time.

Leo St
Nov 7th, 2011, 12:48 AM
Than who? Domachowska?

dude, compose yourself.. your faves are 1-14 with venus and that 1 was a generous gift

as for the topic..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwxpBGhdDw (venus dolonts, her last match 1:50)
faith people

Stonerpova
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:28 AM
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AcesHigh
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:31 AM
Knee and wrist issues are a factor IMHO but I still think the backhand is the better wing. She has just improved the forehand.. and it's more consistent to a degree.

dynamoRockstarr
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:52 AM
The backhand is still good, maybe lost some confidence driving it down the line.

I absolutely love when she runs around her backhand :inlove:

ExtremespeedX
Nov 7th, 2011, 02:35 AM
Her backhand was always and still >> her forehand.

KBdoubleu
Nov 7th, 2011, 02:41 AM
Due to her wrist injury, basically (unconfirmed surgery at the end of 2006).

Dominic
Nov 7th, 2011, 03:41 AM
Her backhand was always and still >> her forehand.

Disagree, her forehand is more powerful and more agressive and just as consistent as her bh. She runs around her backhand quite a bit now, there is a reason.

V's a star
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:00 AM
the answer should be obvious to everyone:
1. Left-wrist surgery
2. Left-knee problems and eventual surgery

Infiniti2001
Nov 7th, 2011, 04:56 AM
Her forehand is more consistent, and more balls stay in, but the backhand is still her better shot IMNSHO.

Check out this sweet shot in her one and only match at the U.S, Open this year. HAtohhyDskc

VeeJJ
Nov 7th, 2011, 05:14 AM
Wait...Venus still plays tennis? :lol:

OMG! GTFO!!! Trolling is unbearable.

Her backhand was always and still >> her forehand.

This. It's just more solid. Remember Dubai 2010!!!!!! :inlove:

Dominic
Nov 7th, 2011, 05:15 AM
Her forehand is more consistent, and more balls stay in, but the backhand is still her better shot IMNSHO.


She hits more winners off her forehand than backhand. In pretty much all her matches.

Mikey.
Nov 7th, 2011, 06:10 AM
I was actually surprised when I watched this the other day:

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Almost any time Justine hit to the backhand she was in trouble.

helio_c
Nov 7th, 2011, 07:24 AM
I know this is not "bring your favorite into topic", but a similar thing can be seen in Daniela. She used to kill with her backhand and now it is her forehand which does all the heavy job, her backhand is more prone to breakdown. Though I don't believe injury is the cause.

Though in a fine day it is still amazing, but that does not happen as often.

Having said that, Vee's backhand :drool:

The Witch-king
Nov 7th, 2011, 07:52 AM
i think venus may have been hurt by the gradual slowing down of courts over time and the higher bounce that is more common now. her backhand is best when she actually hits it pretty low (knee to waist height), where as most 2 handers like hip to shoulder height hit points now. it is one of the reasons grass has been such a good surface for her (plus several other things).

she has a very unique low take back where she sort of cocks the wrists and then snaps them through the shot. this prep on shoulder to head height balls is probably a nightmare for her.

one of the 2 reasons i think venus has lost to kim over the last few years (stamina being the other) is the backhand to backhand rallies. whilst both can spank forehands and make crass errors on that side, venus better serve canceled out by kim's great return and movement, the real difference is kim looking more comfortable and able to angle backhands from most heights open or closed stance.

I agree completely. Venus really struggles with high bouncing balls to her backhand as compared to someone like Clijsters who can and will hit aggressive shots on those balls.

But I still think in her earlier days, with her better footwork, she was a little bit better at getting behind the ball to handle those shots

Maddox
Nov 7th, 2011, 09:19 AM
Yeah she is a different player now, her forehand >> backhand.

She is consistent with it now, her winners are more from her forehand than her backhand unlike back then when it was the other way around, and maybe when you improve on one shot it can effect the other, it's mental to a certain extent.

And BTW I love the inside out forehands now

J4m3ka
Nov 7th, 2011, 11:54 AM
Both sisters have unusual FH technique in the sense that the racquet face is what goes back first rather than their elbow. I always felt the problem with Venus's FH though is the tendency she has to begin her swing too early, and then having to halt it. Every tennis coach will say that the racquet should never stop moving once the take-back begins. I often see Venus preparing for a FH with her racquet froze in time behind her until the ball arrives. This is another reason that IMO she does well on fast surfaces when this technical flaw has less of a chance to reveal itself.

I agree that her BH is not what it was it used to be since left wrist surgery. Perhaps she feels uncomfortable hitting DTL now with her stance or maybe she is scared of injuring it again, who knows.

sammy01
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:33 PM
I agree completely. Venus really struggles with high bouncing balls to her backhand as compared to someone like Clijsters who can and will hit aggressive shots on those balls.

But I still think in her earlier days, with her better footwork, she was a little bit better at getting behind the ball to handle those shots

I was actually surprised when I watched this the other day:

U0ieXFxT_T0

Almost any time Justine hit to the backhand she was in trouble.

that video shows exactly what i was trying to explain at 1.05 and 1.30 venus gets a lower bouncing backhand, stays down on it her low racket prep mean she can snap her wrists through it and it flies for a winner. low bouncing balls are what venus game is made for.

The Dawntreader
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Venus's backhand was peerless back then. She could change the line of the ball so easily, and with such control and angle. A beaut.

Knizzle
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Her FH was never "not so good" it was just less consistent than her BH. And I think it's better because she worked on it so much and started to run around her BH to hit forehands. I think she needs to work on her BH now and hit more closed stances like she used to and get it back to where it once was.

Knizzle
Nov 7th, 2011, 01:58 PM
I was actually surprised when I watched this the other day:

U0ieXFxT_T0

Almost any time Justine hit to the backhand she was in trouble.That get at 5:58 always amazed me.