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Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Shouldn't she be fined for this? This is horrible.




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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

Adrian.
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:50 PM
She is a bi**h :help:

KBdoubleu
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Plenty of players have done it before. Sharapova tanking against Petrova comes to mind...

Dexter
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:54 PM
Honestly she should be fined for this lack of effort she's showing.

Apoleb
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:55 PM
Yes. :shrug:

The first and second in the group are already determined? What is she supposed to do? Tire herself out right before a semifinal match?

Chris 84
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:56 PM
she won her first 2 matches and qualified. she effectively earned the right to play however she wants in this match. the round robin format is just very different to normal tennis tournaments :shrug:

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Yes. :shrug:

The first and second in the group are already determined? What is she supposed to do? Tire herself out right before a semifinal match?

Show respect to her opponent and the Instabul crowd and play a full match? She is a tennis player, isn't she?

If she can't play 3 matches in a row, like you're supposed to do in the YEC, then she shouldn't even be here.

GoofyDuck
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:58 PM
It complements her.

Andreas
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:59 PM
If she can't play 3 matches in a row, like you're supposed to do in the YEC, then she shouldn't even be here.

Ouch, isn't your favourite Maria Sharapova? She couldn't take the heat and withdrew before getting spanked for the 3rd match in a row :lol:

tenn_ace
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Honestly she should be fined for this lack of effort she's showing.


Absolutely. It's fucking so annoying for all the fans to see her barely trying. No wonder WTA sux more and more every year when a discrace like Azarenka get to the main tour.

Safin was fined once at AO, so should be Azarenka.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:00 PM
Vika can do whatever she likes
its not gonna affect who she plays tomorrow

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:01 PM
if she was going to tank wouldnt she have just given up when she was a double break down in the first set?

does she simply hate losing to marion that much?

or is she just to stupid to tank properly?

surely tanking in losing and straights would conserve more energy then forcing this to go to 3

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:01 PM
The poor crowd is cheering every winner that Azarenka makes. They payed to see a tennis match and instead they're getting a circus show.

People like Azarenka ruin the image of the WTA.

Apoleb
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:02 PM
At least she's being honest about it, and not pretending that she's into it and then tank it at the same time like many of the "veterans" would have done. I find her honesty commendable. :shrug: It's not her problem that the format is messed up. I love how she rolled her eyes for her coach.

or is she just to stupid to tank properly?

This. :lol: She could have tanked it by making UEs and then acting that she's pissed.

StoneRose
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:02 PM
This match shouldn't have been played. Only an idiot would give it all for 3 hours ruining chances for tomorrow. But it would have been smarter for Vika to take it just in a quick 2, that would have been possible. Don't think she had a plan before she stepped on court and now she's in an awkward situation because retiring is not really an option.

miffedmax
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Hate the game, not the player.

Especially when she has such a scrumptious nose.


Lena's bangs.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Vika is really upset about winning that game :lol:

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:03 PM
if she was going to tank wouldnt she have just given up when she was a double break down in the first set?

does she simply hate losing to marion that much?

or is she just to stupid to tank properly?

surely tanking in losing and straights would conserve more energy then forcing this to go to 3

She tried to win the match in straights but once she realized she would have to expend ~25 more minutes of energy, she resorted to tanking. :lol:

tenn_ace
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Vika can do whatever she likes
its not gonna affect who she plays tomorrow

NO SHE CAN'T It's her job that she is paid for HUGE money, so she needs to try harder or try at all,

Azarenka = to shit list

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:03 PM
i do not however agree with tanking a match at all

it shows 0 respect for your opponent.

KBdoubleu
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:09 PM
The poor crowd is cheering every winner that Azarenka makes. They payed to see a tennis match and instead they're getting a circus show.

People like Azarenka ruin the image of the WTA.

Just curious what you think about Sharapova losing 6-1 6-2 to Petrova (who she never lost to before or after) was all about? And the Clijsters match against Zvonareva? I agree it's unfair to the fans who pay to see the matches, but she is hardly the first person to do so.

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Just curious what you think about Sharapova losing 6-1 6-2 to Petrova (who she never lost to before or after) was all about? And the Clijsters match against Zvonareva. I agree it's unfair to the fans who pay to see the matches, but she is hardly the first person to do so.

I don't remember that match but if Sharapova tanked it then shame on her too. Just because she's my favorite player doesn't mean I support everything she does. :weirdo:

killerqueen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:11 PM
I don't agree with tanking, but in this scenario I can kind of understand it. I think the YEC really needs to work out a better way to prevent this sort of thing.

If they started on the Monday and gave EVERYONE a day off between the last RR and SF it would make so much more difference. Vika will be back on court in a few hours for one of the most important games of her career so far - how can they expect her to give a complete effort when the result means nothing today and she's playing an important match tomorrow afternoon.

Vee Williams
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:12 PM
If she can't play 3 matches in a row, like you're supposed to do in the YEC, then she shouldn't even be here.

Sharapova anyone?

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Vika originally was meant to be 2nd match on today.

Belmont Lad
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:12 PM
This is one of the strangest tanks ever. :lol: :lol:

Richie's
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:13 PM
WTA should do something about this match. At least, it's too ridiculous to watch...
You just saw Kvitova who has advanced into SF before her match, coming back from 1-5 down and win in 2 sets.

Vika, you are pathetic.

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Sharapova anyone?

That's as hypocritical as me criticizing Venus for withdrawing from the USO. This is an entirely different situation so stfu, please.

wta_journeywoman
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Stupid Vika, playing 3 setter and tanking http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/smilies/laugh.gif

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:14 PM
i honeslty dont think she knows what she wanted to do

she started out poorly then came back and could have finished it in 2 and then from a winning position she decided she didnt care

and then at some point in the 3rd she decided she cared again

idiot

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:15 PM
Vika was ready for the handshake :lol:

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:15 PM
WTA should do something about this match. At least, it's too ridiculous to watch...
You just saw Kvitova who has advanced into SF before her match, coming back from 1-5 down and win in 2 sets.

Vika, you are pathetic.

so much respect for petra because of that. She easily could have let radwanska win but she fought back.

Temperenka
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:17 PM
Show respect to her opponent and the Instabul crowd and play a full match? She is a tennis player, isn't she?

If she can't play 3 matches in a row, like you're supposed to do in the YEC, then she shouldn't even be here.

The score was 5-7, 6-4, 6-4.

Seems like a full match to me.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:18 PM
if she was going to tank wouldnt she have just given up when she was a double break down in the first set?

does she simply hate losing to marion that much?

or is she just to stupid to tank properly?

surely tanking in losing and straights would conserve more energy then forcing this to go to 3

She tried to win the match. But when Marion won the second set, that's when she decided to tank (or go back and forth).

gumoll
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:18 PM
if Petra would lose today 2-0 she would be second in the group and Azarenka was number one before the match started ;)

Belmont Lad
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Wow. I have never seen a player so pumped to win a match against a player doing everything she can not to win it. :help: :lol: Azarenka runs to brat/bitch behaviour, but this effort was hilarious. Ah Shrieka, you sooooo deserved the boos. :yeah:

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:20 PM
She tried to win the match. But when Marion won the second set, that's when she decided to tank (or go back and forth).

she should have just tanked when she was down a double break in the first set

..i mean what the hell? your a set and a break up and thats when you decide you dont care about winning?

Mynarco
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:20 PM
Saint Vika tries to hand out cash to Bartoli and be a good BFF

Jellytko
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:21 PM
OK. Vika should be ashamed of herself today. I understand that this match total waste of time and she wanted to concentrate on semifinal. But she's paid an awful lot of money for performing. People bought their tickets to see the best game. She should try her best. She can go home if she don't wanna play. I'm sure Petkovic would be glad to play.

hurricanejeanne
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:22 PM
It was a dead rubber. Vika played okay enough to give the crowd their money's worth. End.

This is always going to be a problem as along as round robin exists. Personally, I think dead rubbers shouldn't be played at all. Tanks and lackadaisical play always happens in them.

tenn_ace
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:22 PM
I hope WTA will take money and points she made from this match back from her. Disgrace.

gumoll
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:22 PM
I miss KO system :hysteric:

Novichok
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Vika. :hearts:

fish_wilson
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:23 PM
this happens in the soccer world cup all the time when some team has already qualified for the later rounds in the first two matches, resting players and what not, thats just the way RR tournaments are supposed to be played. Totally acceptable.

Vika will give the crowd what they want tomorrow.

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:23 PM
It was a dead rubber. Vika played okay enough to give the crowd their money's worth. End.

This is always going to be a problem as along as round robin exists. Personally, I think dead rubbers shouldn't be played at all. Tanks always happen in them.

As a matter of fact, Queen Kvitova made a great effort in her match today when she easily could have lost it. Not everyone is as classless as Vika. :lol:

MLF
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:24 PM
It was a dead rubber. Vika played okay enough to give the crowd their money's worth. End.

Judging by the reception she got leaving the court I don't feel that the audience would agree with you. They are an enthusiastic audience they want to cheer not boo, Vika could have at least tested out her acting skills.

edificio
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:25 PM
She should get fined for lack of effort. Probably won't, though.

Also, Kerrilyn Cramer definitely should have warned Marion about all the time she was taking to serve.

Otlichno
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:25 PM
This is what happens in Round Robing format. End of.

Mynarco
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:25 PM
I don't understand why dead rubber needs to be played. This makes no sense.
A waste of time,energy,and increase the probability of getting injured

Raiden
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:26 PM
Vika was ready for the handshake :lol:Yes at 40-15 down she scored a point unintentionally (she almost hoped her shot was out but unfortunately for her the ball landed on the line :lol:

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:26 PM
She should get fined for lack of effort. Probably won't, though.

Also, Kerrilyn Cramer definitely should have warned Marion about all the time she was taking to serve.

+1.

Johnbert
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:30 PM
I don't understand why dead rubber needs to be played. This makes no sense.
A waste of time,energy,and increase the probability of getting injured

sponsors, crowd payd for the match and so on and so forth...

supermod
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Things like that happen in every sport. In unimportant games teams let their top players rest and play with the B-team.

Obviously it's more noticeable in individual sports like tennis. They should just cancel dead rubbers.

killerqueen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:31 PM
I don't understand why dead rubber needs to be played. This makes no sense.
A waste of time,energy,and increase the probability of getting injured

I guess it's for the crowd more than anything. It is a complete waste though. Again, I think the best thing they can do is to start a day earlier and have a days break between RR and SF, just to make it easier for girls in Azarenka's position to put in an effort and still not be completely exhausted for a game that actually matters.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:31 PM
I don't blame Bartoli.

That's a $165,000 for one match.

Shit I would bust Vika's ass to for that. A mid majors total purse (for everybody) is $220,000, in comparison.

Plus it's good practice for Bali.

I know this has happened with other players in the past, but Vika should of just been woman enough, to knock out Marion in two sets. But when she didn't/couldn't, she tanked.

Where's your pride (and respect for that great crowd) Vika?

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:31 PM
She should get fined for lack of effort. Probably won't, though.

Also, Kerrilyn Cramer definitely should have warned Marion about all the time she was taking to serve.

why would you expect her to call marion on that when players on the atp tour get away with the same..like the time djokovic bounced the ball35 times and took about 40 seconds between serves and got away with it

besides it was gamesmanship but now i know from this match so are vika's grunts..cant believe i defended her yesterday

killerqueen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:32 PM
I don't blame Bartoli.

That's a $165,000 for one match.

Shit I would bust Vika's ass to for that. A mid majors total purse (for everybody) is $220,000, in comparison.

Plus it's good practice for Bali.

I know this has happened with other players in the past, but Vika should of just been woman enough, to knock out Marion in two sets. But when she didn't/couldn't, she tanked.

Where's your pride (and respect for that great crowd) Vika?


I don't think anyone's blaming Marion. She hasn't done anything wrong in the slightest! :p

edificio
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:34 PM
why would you expect her to call marion on that when players on the atp tour get away with the same..like the time djokovic bounced the ball35 times and took about 40 seconds between serves and got away with it

besides it was gamesmanship but now i know from this match so are vika's grunts..cant believe i defended her yesterday

The umpire is supposed to warn or penalize the players for this. Doesn't matter if it's Djokovic or Bartoli or Nadal.

hurricanejeanne
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:35 PM
As a matter of fact, Queen Kvitova made a great effort in her match today when she easily could have lost it. Not everyone is as classless as Vika. :lol:

In my opinion Petra's in the minority in the dead rubber issue. :shrug:
I've seen a fair amount of dead rubbers played like this one.

Judging by the reception she got leaving the court I don't feel that the audience would agree with you. They are an enthusiastic audience they want to cheer not boo, Vika could have at least tested out her acting skills.

By money's worth I meant that the match wasn't a 50 minute rape job.

Again, to eliminate this issue altogether, they should not play dead rubbers or eliminate the round robin format entirely and go back to the traditional format.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:36 PM
It was a dead rubber. Vika played okay enough to give the crowd their money's worth. End.

This is always going to be a problem as along as round robin exists. Personally, I think dead rubbers shouldn't be played at all. Tanks and lackadaisical play always happens in them.

Why it wasnt on 1st is just silly
probably to do with Chinese TV :rolleyes:

supermod
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:36 PM
I don't understand Azarenka though. After winning the first set (and the break in the second set) she should have focused for 30 minutes, play a few good games and win the set.

But no, she lost it and had to stay on court for way more than 2 hours.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:36 PM
As a matter of fact, Queen Kvitova made a great effort in her match today when she easily could have lost it. Not everyone is as classless as Vika. :lol:

That's because Petra's pride kicked in, and she went into Goatra mode.

Unfortunaely for Vika, she tried to win in two sets (no GOAT Mode), and once she lost that second set, she didn't know what to do. :confused: :rolleyes: :confused:

Once she won the first set, it was imperative she win the second, otherwise you get stuff like this (today). Cause Marion wasn't going to roll over (just like Radwanska wasn't), cause this was a $165,000 pay day if she won, and everything else it brings. You can't blame Marion. It was up to Vika.

The crazy part is, Marion didn't even play that well, though she was stubborn/determined to keep playing.

I'm sure she'll take it!

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:37 PM
The umpire is supposed to warn or penalize the players for this. Doesn't matter if it's Djokovic or Bartoli or Nadal.

no i know im just saying that the rule isnt really enforced anywhere and the odd time that it is the players get pissed at them so i think they just leave it alone

killerqueen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:38 PM
If Kvitova had lost, she'd have been runner-up in her group instead of winner. Vika's result made no difference whatsoever. There is a big difference.

pav
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:38 PM
I think some players can tank covincingly, but others, and Vika might come into this category might have a silly pride that wants to let everyone watching know for certain they are tanking therefore make it really obvious.Otherwise don't know,but hoping it would go to a long tiebreak:)

Bismarck.
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:40 PM
At the end of the day, the only person she's hurt is herself (and maybe a few punters :devil:). She's worn herself down in the most idiotic manner for an important match when this didn't matter at all, and she's blown all goodwill she had with the crowd and casual fans.

Fuzzylogic
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:41 PM
I'd have been pissed if I was one of the spectators who spent money on a ticket, but watching it from the comfort of my sofa, it was pure comedy gold :haha:

LoveFifteen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:41 PM
If she was going to tank, she could have at least used the match to practice her atrocious volleys and touch shots. :lol:

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:41 PM
If Kvitova had lost, she'd have been runner-up in her group instead of winner. Vika's result made no difference whatsoever. There is a big difference.

what difference does it make if you finish first or 2nd really?

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Totally unacceptable. Azarenka is wanting in her character and she does not deserve a major. None of the greats would ever have behaved like that.

It's actually worse than Serena's outbursts which come from caring. Azarenka was a disgrace. But you know, one match can change a career and not only did she show what she's made of but she may have dug her own grave.

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:42 PM
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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:44 PM
I don't understand Azarenka though. After winning the first set (and the break in the second set) she should have focused for 30 minutes, play a few good games and win the set.

But no, she lost it and had to stay on court for way more than 2 hours.

Absolutely. It makes no sense. It shows how thick and lazy and petulant she really is.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:46 PM
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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

Oh no.

That's a horrible statement (and for all it represents).

And the hilarious thing is, she did try to win in the second set; she just couldn't.

Wow!! :confused: :tape: :confused:

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Totally unacceptable. Azarenka is wanting in her character and she does not deserve a major. None of the greats would ever have behaved like that.

It's actually worse than Serena's outbursts which come from caring. Azarenka was a disgrace. But you know, one match can change a career and not only did she show what she's made of but she may have dug her own grave.

I completely agree with this. I really dislike Wozniacki and sometimes Serena but at least they love to win.

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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

Wow. :facepalm: This is the second time today she said something that contradicted what she said earlier in the week. Pathetic. :lol:

LoveFifteen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

It's amazing how "doing her thing" doesn't involve a hideous, disgusting shriek. Does she realize she is one of the most hated players on tour?

ico4498
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:47 PM
the format promotes tanking ...

ViceUltramontain
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:47 PM
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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

:help: She sure knows how to deal with the situation.

Chaosm21
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:49 PM
It's amazing how "doing her thing" doesn't involve a hideous, disgusting shriek. Does she realize she is one of the most hated players on tour?

Why do you think the other players hate her?Maybe they don`t care about her screams.

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:49 PM
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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

wow

nicely said vika:o

stevos
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:50 PM
I see no problem with it. It makes sense.
When players are on court playing for something, they are putting 100% physical and emotional/mental energy into winning every single point. This is very tiring and draining, and I understand why she'd want to save up for tomorrow.
She did the work of winning her first two matches in straights, she deserves to relax and not outdo herself. And it was "close" (lol).
Maybe I just don't feel bad for the crowd because I'm jealous of their ability to watch so much live tennis for a few pounds, so it's not like everyone was dying for this match to be match of the year or anything.
Plus I'm happy for Bartoli.

LoveFifteen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Why do you think the other players hate her?Maybe they don`t care about her screams.

I don't know if other players hate her or not. I am talking about fans, especially casual fans. She's causing women's tennis to be a laughing stock with her absurd shrieking and petulant behavior.

Fuzzylogic
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:53 PM
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Azarenka yesterday: "I always play 100%" Today: "Today was practice. Wasn't playing against Marion Bartoli. Was just trying to do my thing."

I applaud her brave(stupid) honesty:lol:

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:54 PM
dunno why everyone's going all ape over this

There's been lots of tanking at ATP Champs for years and no one has given a crap

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:54 PM
the format promotes tanking ...

No. It's the character of this player. You would never have seen great player such as Graf and Seles do this.

LoveFifteen
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:55 PM
No. It's the character of this player. You would never have seen great player such as Graf and Seles do this.

Agreed. Graf and Seles would never do this.

Maybe we would give Vika the benefit of the doubt if she didn't have 6-10 retirements this year.

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:55 PM
No. It's the character of this player. You would never have seen great player such as Graf and Seles do this.

Serena tanks WTA events all the time? I'm sorry, if you're bringing up "greatness" it has to be said.

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:55 PM
dunno why everyone's going all ape over this

There's been lots of tanking at ATP Champs for years and no one has given a crap

its more the fact that she made a spectacle out of it and made it way more complicated then she needed too

why not just let the match go when she was down in the first set?

plus there's just the whol"is tanking wrong" debate which i believe it is

even if it happens and always will i just think that shows a lack of respect to your opponent

Adrian.
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:56 PM
dunno why everyone's going all ape over this

There's been lots of tanking at ATP Champs for years and no one has given a crap

because that's the womens forum :oh:

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:56 PM
dunno why everyone's going all ape over this

There's been lots of tanking at ATP Champs for years and no one has given a crap

Yes they have given a crap. Maybe not on here where we can't comment on the ATP!!!!

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Serena tanks WTA events all the time? I'm sorry, if you're bringing up "greatness" it has to be said.

Um no. Serena may not play 100% all the time but she doesn't make as much of an effort to lose a match as Vika did today. And that's coming from me.

Apoleb
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:57 PM
So I guess it's much better for players to tank a match but cover it up by acting like they are trying. At least she's not into that sort of bs.

Seriously people, get over it. It was still a decent match (aside from the pure comedy).

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:58 PM
So I guess it's much better for players to tank a match but cover it up by acting like they are trying. At least she's not into that sort of bs.

Seriously people, get over it. It was still a decent match (aside from the pure comedy).

This. Na Li goes out and wins 1 game with a -28 W/UE differential and people are pissed that this "wasn't fair to the spectators."

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:59 PM
its never okay to tank(in my view) but if your going to do it do it from the start dont change your mind several times throughout the match

ico4498
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:00 PM
No. It's the character of this player. You would never have seen great player such as Graf and Seles do this.

the character thing is debatable but does the round robin format invite tanking? yup.

Sp!ffy
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:01 PM
the character thing is debatable but does the round robin format invite tanking? yup.

Of course it invites it but does it make it acceptable? :weirdo:

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:01 PM
So I guess it's much better for players to tank a match but cover it up by acting like they are trying. At least she's not into that sort of bs.

Seriously people, get over it. It was still a decent match (aside from the pure comedy).

We won't agree, but I just dont see how it's ever acceptable. If a player is injured they can retire, but tonight just wasn't funny in my eyes.

MakarovaFan
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Sharapova anyone?
And that's why she LEFT the tourney.....duh,nice try though:rolleyes:

Patrick345
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:06 PM
dunno why everyone's going all ape over this

There's been lots of tanking at ATP Champs for years and no one has given a crap

Yeah Serena once tanked the whole Euro clay court season, tanked matches to Bammer, tried to lose to Hradecka, then quit the tourney to attend a wedding (a week after she cried about how much she misses tennis) and people laughed it off. Now they go all upset about a DEAD match.:lol:

Trih
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Of course it invites it but does it make it acceptable? :weirdo:

I think the fact it invites tanking, makes it something a player has to consider not to waste energies... and that brings up my question: why tank it in 3 sets!? :confused:

MakarovaFan
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:13 PM
It more than just the tanking..it's the attitude and demeanor that one goes about it. Kim,Maria in dead matches may obviously have tanked but they weren't sulking, rolling their eyes, barely moving for balls and hardly getting ready to prepare for ROS or serving in about 2 seconds(okay maybe Kim does that) and walking through shots.....

Adrian.
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:15 PM
It more than just the tanking..it's the attitude and demeanor that one goes about it. Kim,Maria in dead matches may obviously have tanked but they weren't sulking, rolling their eyes, barely moving for balls and hardly getting ready to prepare for ROS or serving in about 2 seconds(okay maybe Kim does that) and walking through shots.....

this :bowdown:
and now we should stop the topic. everything was said by now :angel:

Trih
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:15 PM
It more than just the tanking..it's the attitude and demeanor that one goes about it. Kim,Maria in dead matches may obviously have tanked but they weren't sulking, rolling their eyes, barely moving for balls and hardly getting ready to prepare for ROS or serving in about 2 seconds(okay maybe Kim does that) and walking through shots.....

I didn't see more than first set, that's why I was asking, now it's a little more clear ... then I guess Vika is too sincere to fake a match properly :lol:
But then you aren't condemning the tank itself, but the behavior...

Break My Rapture
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Yes. :shrug:

The first and second in the group are already determined? What is she supposed to do? Tire herself out right before a semifinal match?
This so much. The haters can go back to bed now. Every possible argument they had to make a big deal out of this has been abolished.

KBdoubleu
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:16 PM
I don't remember that match but if Sharapova tanked it then shame on her too. Just because she's my favorite player doesn't mean I support everything she does. :weirdo:

Well one would think that you wouldn't single out just Azarenka (calling her classless, etc.) when there is a huge precedent of the same behavior within the past few years. At least Azarenka took the match deep to a third set. Sharapova and Clijsters laughed their ways through straight set losses.

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:17 PM
Yeah Serena once tanked the whole Euro clay court season, tanked matches to Bammer, tried to lose to Hradecka, then quit the tourney to attend a wedding (a week after she cried about how much she misses tennis) and people laughed it off. Now they go all upset about a DEAD match.:lol:

This is the YEC, prestige, profile, the ultimate championship for the WTA and this is an image the people of Istanbul (and the world) now have of women's tennis. It wasn't JUST the tank, it was her total disregard and lack of respect. she simply doesn't care how she or the Tour looks, and self dignity is an inherent part of character.

Anyway, we'll obviously never agree and I'm done! I just know for certain that Graf, Seles, King et al had far more self respect and you would never have seen such a display from them.

Adrian.
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:17 PM
This so much. The haters can go back to bed now. Every possible argument they had to make a big deal out of this has been abolished.

your are so pathetic :o :facepalm:

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:18 PM
your are so pathetic :o :facepalm:

You're not one for irony and sarcasm are you?

Trih
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Yes. :shrug:

The first and second in the group are already determined? What is she supposed to do? Tire herself out right before a semifinal match?

Uh, missed this post. That's what I meant when i was asking about the tanking... the WAY she did it, it's another story imo.

frenchie
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:20 PM
we have to blame the RR format for that, not Vika.

She's thinking long term on the tournament.
Tomorrow will be a more important match.

And tanking also happens in regular tournaments.
Players like Serena have done it in the past (a Sydney SF against Dementieva comes to mind...)

Break My Rapture
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:21 PM
your are so pathetic :o :facepalm:
:lol: So rich coming from you.

backhandsmash
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:21 PM
This is the YEC, prestige, profile, the ultimate championship for the WTA and this is an image the people of Istanbul (and the world) now have of women's tennis. It wasn't JUST the tank, it was her total disregard and lack of respect. she simply doesn't care how she or the Tour looks, and self dignity is an inherent part of character.

Anyway, we'll obviously never agree and I'm done! I just know for certain that Graf, Seles, King et al had far more self respect and you would never have seen such a display from them.

And booh'ed the hell of the court as well.

misty1
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:21 PM
once again, if she was thinking long term she would have tanked and lost in 2

Break My Rapture
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Well one would think that you wouldn't single out just Azarenka (calling her classless, etc.) when there is a huge precedent of the same behavior within the past few years. At least Azarenka took the match deep to a third set. Sharapova and Clijsters laughed their ways through straight set losses.
Thank you. The only laughable thing here is how Azarenka seems to get singled out everytime, whenever something "controversial" occurs.

pov
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:24 PM
I like to see players give their best effort in every match. Sure I wouldn't expect anyone in Azarenka's situation (already in the SF and playing an alternate) to have that extra must-win gear but tanking sucks.

The Dawntreader
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:24 PM
I think tanking is unacceptable whatever the circumstance frankly. Even if it was the case with Azarenka, she's hardly alone in such indiscretions.

Trih
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Thank you. The only laughable thing here is how Azarenka seems to get singled out everytime, whenever something "controversial" occurs.

The Internet Hate Machine joined to the Tennis Hate Machine are lethal. :S

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:28 PM
She played a long match today. It just didnt look like winning is everything.
You have to blame the round robin.
Vika is still young and not in these situations a lot. She has a semi tomorrow with $1.5 million to the winner.
Her head is going in different directions.
If it was 16 player draw no round robin, you would have seen full effort

Patrick345
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:28 PM
This is the YEC, prestige, profile, the ultimate championship for the WTA and this is an image the people of Istanbul (and the world) now have of women's tennis. It wasn't JUST the tank, it was her total disregard and lack of respect. she simply doesn't care how she or the Tour looks, and self dignity is an inherent part of character.

Anyway, we'll obviously never agree and I'm done! I just know for certain that Graf, Seles, King et al had far more self respect and you would never have seen such a display from them.

Serena is the biggest legend in the sport over the last 15 years and she has tanked dozens of regular tournaments. Why do you think she has only won 21 regular events, but 18 majors tournaments (Slams, YEC, GS Cup). I mean you think that´s because she gives it all, when she loses to Zakopalova, Schnyder and Schiavone back to back to back?

Where is your outrage that a future HOF, a legend, the face of the WTA is making the Tour look bad? :confused:

Vikapower
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Well one would think that you wouldn't single out just Azarenka (calling her classless, etc.) when there is a huge precedent of the same behavior within the past few years. At least Azarenka took the match deep to a third set. Sharapova and Clijsters laughed their ways through straight set losses.

Seriously, I like both Maria and Vika but these kinds of post really makes you uncomfortable... :lol: Maria was injured and didn't tank matches... but it's something you'll ignore for the case of trolling perhaps...

Second of all, Vika attempted, failed/succeeded, whatever who cares, she's in the SF of Istanbul and will certainly be ready to deliver competition, that's all that counts... :shrug: everyone had their fun -- this was a match to take at 2nd. degree...

The trolls are just amusing themselves to prolong the fun... :yawn: now we understood, next.

There are so much better fun players to hate upon, Serena etc... hating on Vika makes no sense and logic whatsoever, she's irreproachable from head to toes.

Trih
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Seriously, I like both Maria and Vika but these kinds of post really makes you uncomfortable... :lol: Maria was injured and didn't tank matches... but it's something you'll ignore for the case of trolling perhaps...

I think he didn't mean this year Maria's matches at YEC, but the other times that people is talking about (which I must admit don't remember :[)
I'm trying to bring peace here. :lol:

Mike_T
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:45 PM
For once I’ve got no beef with the Belarusian Brat, because I won £100,000 on that match, yep ONE HUNDRED SMACKEROONIES!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOO!!!! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::w oohoo::woohoo:

I predicted the scoreline EXACTLY. 5-7 6-4 6-4!!!! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Vikapower
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:46 PM
I think he didn't mean this year Maria's matches at YEC, but the other times that people is talking about (which I must admit don't remember :[)
I'm trying to bring peace here. :lol:

Me too... :lol: There's such a meli-melo of none sense on this board now like as if Vika has done something criminally reprehensible...

I don't get the logic of hating on her, she has given a lot to the game already unless certain category of girls who have never associated their talents with success.

The trolls are just over-excited at the prospect that these girls are going to be the next big deal for the next years -- this explains why the hate will exponentially raise as time will move on.

First it's the screeches, the barks, the tank, the snickers, the shoes... :yawn:

Mike_T
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:46 PM
Well, when I say ‘I’ predicted, I actually received a bit of help from these guys: International Tennis Betting Tips Guaranteed 100% Accurate. Just send them an email, and get on their mailing list: va@davydenko.com :worship:

Stonerpova
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:46 PM
I don't condone tanking, but how dumb do you have to be to make a tank job last nearly three hours? Having said that, I'm so glad this match happened. I was laughing out loud. During a tennis match.

And now for the semi tomorrow the Istanbul crowd will morph into Roland Garros lynch mob for Vika's match. I'm so excited.

Break My Rapture
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:52 PM
I don't condone tanking, but how dumb do you have to be to make a tank job last nearly three hours? Having said that, I'm so glad this match happened. I was laughing out loud. During a tennis match.

And now for the semi tomorrow the Istanbul crowd will morph into Roland Garros lynch mob for Vika's match. I'm so excited.
Istanbul crowd seems to love Azarenka. As for the supposed booing so many on here seem to go on about, I didn't hear any of it and I was still watching the TV when Azarenka left the court.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Yeah Serena once tanked the whole Euro clay court season, tanked matches to Bammer, tried to lose to Hradecka, then quit the tourney to attend a wedding (a week after she cried about how much she misses tennis) and people laughed it off. Now they go all upset about a DEAD match.:lol:


:lol: This.

pov
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:01 PM
For once I’ve got no beef with the Belarusian Brat, because I won £100,000 on that match,
Congrats! Thar rocks!!! :yeah:

backhandsmash
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Istanbul crowd seems to love Azarenka. As for the supposed booing so many on here seem to go on about, I didn't hear any of it and I was still watching the TV when Azarenka left the court.

I only watched a stream, but the boohing was rather obvious when Vika left the court.

Richie's
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:04 PM
Personally, I just can't stand Azarenka. Everything on her is so disgusting for me. She just proved that once more today...

But WTA must act on this. How you allow a player saying "it was a practice" on a WTA Tour Championship match??? That's way too pathetic to hear from a Top player like her.

Stonerpova
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Istanbul crowd seems to love Azarenka. As for the supposed booing so many on here seem to go on about, I didn't hear any of it and I was still watching the TV when Azarenka left the court.

I didn't see the end of the match, but bummer :lol:

Bismarck.
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Istanbul crowd seems to love Azarenka. As for the supposed booing so many on here seem to go on about, I didn't hear any of it and I was still watching the TV when Azarenka left the court.

The booing was pretty obvious.

edificio
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:17 PM
I heard booing. Her lassitude was too obvious.

MB.
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:27 PM
She was up a set and 2-0 and couldn't be bothered to exert a bit more energy and win.

Are you kidding me? Not only was there a crowd of a thousand people (plus fans watching from home) but there was $100,000 on the line for a win--more than most people make working 40 hours a week for a year. Vika rolling her eyes and fucking around on the court basically tells us "none of these things are important enough to make me try."

I've lost so much respect for you, Victoria.

Break My Rapture
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Really? I was going to download the match again anyway, so I'll pay extra attention. I really don't recall booing but whatever. :lol:

Break My Rapture
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:28 PM
She was up a set and 2-0 and couldn't be bothered to exert a bit more energy and win.

Are you kidding me? Not only was there a crowd of a thousand people (plus fans watching from home) but there was $100,000 on the line for a win--more than most people make working 40 hours a week for a year. Vika rolling her eyes and fucking around on the court basically tells us "none of these things are important enough to make me try."

I've lost so much respect for you, Victoria.
There's the singling out again. Always the same shit.

Daruma.
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:32 PM
I was in the crowd and did not hear any booing either. Weird.

Sombrerero loco
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:34 PM
its not, but still she rules

ViceUltramontain
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:35 PM
She got booed. It was clear.

delicatecutter
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Well the crowd must not be very informed if they paid money to watch a dead rubber match.

Bayo
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:39 PM
Eh, if the tour is dumb enough to keep the RR system, then I don't see why players should be blamed for taking advantage of it. I'd preserve my energy for the semis too.

Keadz
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:43 PM
If the tour is dumb enoughh to keep Azarenka, shit like this will keep happening.

Add this to my list of why Azarenka sucks. It's getting big :p

I actually like her offcourt, seems nice enough. But everything she does on court is just horrible.

LightWarrior
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:02 PM
It's more than acceptable. Vika got trapped. She needed to win only 4 or 5 games to finish 1st in her group. But then she got into it, won the 1st set and probably thought that Bartoli would collapse like in Tokyo (75 60). So she sort of fought in the 2nd set, lost it and tanked in the 3rd. But Bartoli was so bad and dragged the match on even though Vika was tanking. 2h30 wasted...

delicatecutter
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:05 PM
I'm watching the third set now. :hysteric: I'm sorry but I think it's hilarious.

ViceUltramontain
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:05 PM
The problem is not her tanking. It's the way she behaved during it that makes her tanking unacceptable. Class players know how to tank.

LightWarrior
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:08 PM
The problem is not her tanking. It's the way she behaved during it that makes her tanking unacceptable. Class players know how to tank.

You're right, she should get lessons with Serena, a master at tanking. ;)

Mary Cherry.
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:12 PM
You're right, she should get lessons with Serena, a master at tanking. ;)

If she took Serena's advice in that department, she wouldn't have even shown up to the tournament :oh:

LightWarrior
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:22 PM
If she took Serena's advice in that department, she wouldn't have even shown up to the tournament :oh:

Yeah right, Serena not showing up at YEC when she's qualified... :rolleyes: That was a pretty dumb comment.
Anyway I'm not even criticizing Vika here. And I'm not saying Serena's way of tanking is "better". Just saying that Vika was unlucky with how to handle the match as it went on.

new-york
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:28 PM
I'd just want to win the title being undefeated. :shrug:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:30 PM
Yeah right, Serena not showing up at YEC when she's qualified... :rolleyes: That was a pretty dumb comment.
Anyway I'm not even criticizing Vika here. And I'm not saying Serena's way of tanking is "better". Just saying that Vika was unlucky with how to handle the match as it went on.

You never know, there might've been some cool parties this week.

LightWarrior
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:39 PM
You never know, there might've been some cool parties this week.

Or, your avatar makes me dizzy.

Bronx19
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:59 PM
The WTA need to end this farce. These teenage brats get paid far too much money. If they needed it they would fight.

LightWarrior
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:05 AM
The WTA need to end this farce. These teenage brats get paid far too much money. If they needed it they would fight.

Obviously you don't understand the rules poor thing. And btw the format is the same for the ATP finals.

NedRise
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:15 AM
It's more than acceptable. Vika got trapped. She needed to win only 4 or 5 games to finish 1st in her group. But then she got into it, won the 1st set and probably thought that Bartoli would collapse like in Tokyo (75 60). So she sort of fought in the 2nd set, lost it and tanked in the 3rd. But Bartoli was so bad and dragged the match on even though Vika was tanking. 2h30 wasted...

I'm confused. I thought the 2-way tiebreaker was H2H, and Vika beat Stosur. So she still would have won the group even if she lost 6-0,6-0 to Bartoli. :shrug:

I wasn't able to watch the match, but I feel kinda sorry for Vika -- a tough position to be put in, especially with it being the late night match.

The Kaz
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:15 AM
I don't understand why dead rubber needs to be played. This makes no sense.
A waste of time,energy,and increase the probability of getting injured

:o

ptkten
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Round robin sucks, always has, always will. I'm not saying she shouldn't have tried but can you blame her? Who on earth would tire themselves out in a meaningless match the night before one of the most important matches of her career? It's absurd to think someone would do that and that's why RR sucks.

For all the self-righteous fans out here, almost nobody tries during these dead rubber matches they just don't make it seem obvious. It's almost refreshing that Vika didn't try to pretend like she gave a shit.

KBdoubleu
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:27 AM
Seriously, I like both Maria and Vika but these kinds of post really makes you uncomfortable... :lol: Maria was injured and didn't tank matches... but it's something you'll ignore for the case of trolling perhaps...

Second of all, Vika attempted, failed/succeeded, whatever who cares, she's in the SF of Istanbul and will certainly be ready to deliver competition, that's all that counts... :shrug: everyone had their fun -- this was a match to take at 2nd. degree...

The trolls are just amusing themselves to prolong the fun... :yawn: now we understood, next.

There are so much better fun players to hate upon, Serena etc... hating on Vika makes no sense and logic whatsoever, she's irreproachable from head to toes.

I was talking about 2005, not this year.....

In The Zone
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:31 AM
Or, if the WTA wasn't stupid, they'd set up the matches more correctly - there should be no such thing as a dead rubber. They don't schedule the matches correctly.

Wiggly
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:53 AM
Azarenka is one of the worst players for the WTA's marketing image.

She behaves like a spoilt brat, grunts like a mad woman and is overall the most selfish player around.
Total disgrace.

delicatecutter
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:56 AM
The WTA need to end this farce. These teenage brats get paid far too much money. If they needed it they would fight.

I wasn't aware there were any teenagers in the YEC, but that would be a welcome change.

MisterMan
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:59 AM
Disgraceful from Azarenka. She stopped her insane grunts in the third set, which shows she just wanted off the oourt. Didn't move three feet to retrieve a Bartoli "winner". She's an A-hole. I will enjoy routed against her in every match she plays in 2012.

MisterMan
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:01 AM
Disgraceful from Azarenka. She stopped her insane grunts in the third set, which shows she just wanted off the oourt. Didn't move three feet to retrieve a Bartoli "winner". She's an A-hole. I will enjoy routed against her in every match she plays in 2012.

Commentator Corina Moraiu even ssid "this is the first time i ever heard her not grunting" ahahaha

tkutsaar
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:06 AM
I believe every tennis coach would agree match experience is much more valuable than mere practice. This day Vika had a rare opportunity; to have a practice session under game conditions, but she apparently squandered this opportunity. It was obvious right from the get go that Bartoli was going to give her best effort in trying to win. And there was no pressure on Vika to win or lose; so ergo it was the perfect time for her to try shots and techniques she was weak on. In other words she did not have to make an effort to win the match, but it would have been much better for her to make an effort to try things that are out of her comfort zone.

The game today was her chance to hone her skills in her preparation for the semi final which she could not achieve by sitting around in her hotel room or even in a serious rigorous practice session. Unfortunately Vika and her coach just viewed this match as an obligation rather than an opportunity.

Uranus
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:12 AM
She isn't the 1st to do so.

Too bad for her if she doesn't want the additional points & dollars.

Patrick345
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:17 AM
She isn't the 1st to do so.

Too bad for her if she doesn't want the additional points & dollars.

Well I think the company line, when players like Serena or Clijsters do this is: There are players chasing money and points, and players chasing titles and greatness. :cheer:

delicatecutter
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:20 AM
I honestly can't even believe this is an issue. Especially considering she was playing Bartoli of all people. They're both shady bitches. Where is my "this is brand new information" Phoebe gif when I need it?

BTW has anyone noticed Vika's new Wtatour pic? FLAWLESS! (Well as close as can be considering her nose.) :worship:

Jane Lane
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:47 AM
Obviously you don't understand the rules poor thing. And btw the format is the same for the ATP finals.

There is so much tanking in ATP RR I won't even begin to get into that.

Excelscior
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:17 AM
I believe every tennis coach would agree match experience is much more valuable than mere practice. This day Vika had a rare opportunity; to have a practice session under game conditions, but she apparently squandered this opportunity. It was obvious right from the get go that Bartoli was going to give her best effort in trying to win. And there was no pressure on Vika to win or lose; so ergo it was the perfect time for her to try shots and techniques she was weak on. In other words she did not have to make an effort to win the match, but it would have been much better for her to make an effort to try things that are out of her comfort zone.

The game today was her chance to hone her skills in her preparation for the semi final which she could not achieve by sitting around in her hotel room or even in a serious rigorous practice session. Unfortunately Vika and her coach just viewed this match as an obligation rather than an opportunity.

Excellent Post!!

pov
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:15 AM
I believe every tennis coach would agree match experience is much more valuable than mere practice. This day Vika had a rare opportunity; to have a practice session under game conditions, but she apparently squandered this opportunity. It was obvious right from the get go that Bartoli was going to give her best effort in trying to win. And there was no pressure on Vika to win or lose; so ergo it was the perfect time for her to try shots and techniques she was weak on. In other words she did not have to make an effort to win the match, but it would have been much better for her to make an effort to try things that are out of her comfort zone.

The game today was her chance to hone her skills in her preparation for the semi final which she could not achieve by sitting around in her hotel room or even in a serious rigorous practice session. Unfortunately Vika and her coach just viewed this match as an obligation rather than an opportunity.
:yeah:

Cleffa
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:16 AM
if she was going to tank wouldnt she have just given up when she was a double break down in the first set?

does she simply hate losing to marion that much?

or is she just to stupid to tank properly?

surely tanking in losing and straights would conserve more energy then forcing this to go to 3

Yeah exactly. I don't think there's a problem in tanking but why work so hard to come back and win the 1st set? But then tanking and acting like she doesn't care much. Only excuse I can think of is that she underestimated Marion's will and passion to play in the YEC lol. Marion tried so hard it was like the match was her 1st RR YEC match. Vika thought Marion would slide down after losing 1st set but she kept fighting. So Vika was struggling whether to go all in or just tank.

King Halep
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:17 AM
I don't condone tanking, but how dumb do you have to be to make a tank job last nearly three hours? Having said that, I'm so glad this match happened. I was laughing out loud. During a tennis match.

And now for the semi tomorrow the Istanbul crowd will morph into Roland Garros lynch mob for Vika's match. I'm so excited.

when you are drinking that much coccoke you dont really run out of energy

Raiden
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:56 AM
Or, if the WTA wasn't stupid, they'd set up the matches more correctly - there should be no such thing as a dead rubber. They don't schedule the matches correctly.Dead rubber is an inherent part of round robin system.

As long as everyone plays with everyone in a group there will be a likelihood that such a thing happens.

I actually don't mind dead rubbers in rare occasions. Players can use it to try new things (like for example yesterday's Vika's experiment with "silent tennis" :oh:

waratahsrock
Oct 29th, 2011, 04:33 AM
get over it you lot! it was a meaningless round robin match that had nothing riding on it. good luck tomorrow vika, kick some ass :D

Bronx19
Oct 29th, 2011, 04:38 AM
Obviously you don't understand the rules poor thing. And btw the format is the same for the ATP finals.

Is that all you ever say? 'Poor thing'. Man up son.

I understand the rules. The rules state you'll be fined for nonperformance. Now lets see the fine.

*Jean*
Oct 29th, 2011, 04:41 AM
A few years ago, Davydenko had been fined for 'lack of effort' in a dead rubber by letting his opponent winning in obvious manners. This is not what Azarenka did in the closing stages of this particular match. And even if she did, she's the star of the WTA Tour atm, no wonder why there will not be even the slightest inspection.

King Halep
Oct 29th, 2011, 06:31 AM
A few years ago, Davydenko had been fined for 'lack of effort' in a dead rubber by letting his opponent winning in obvious manners. This is not what Azarenka did in the closing stages of this particular match. And even if she did, she's the star of the WTA Tour atm, no wonder why there will not be even the slightest inspection.

could almost make a similar case for Na. how do you explain winning 1 game in a dead rubber and 4 winner 38 errors

pesto
Oct 29th, 2011, 07:26 AM
Na's match wasn't a dead rubber.

LUVMIRZA
Oct 29th, 2011, 07:41 AM
luv Vika:lol: She totally showed she doesnt wanna play Bartoli her bitch in YEC's dead rubber:haha: The match would have been totally different if Vika had Maria as the opponent:shrug: She didnot like the fact that its Marion she has to play when she has already topped the group. But she could have used the match to practice difficult shots as some one said above.

NeKo
Oct 29th, 2011, 07:51 AM
Yes. I would've done the same thing if i was her. (but, i'm a dude). Is very hard to play a match at 23 o'clock when you have a semifinal to play next day. You have no time for recover.

Joelina
Oct 29th, 2011, 08:11 AM
no. she´s a bitch, she gets money for playing matches, hopefully she gets some injury for this, karma is bitch Vika :devil:

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 29th, 2011, 08:23 AM
well to Bartoli, it's certainly acceptable.:oh:

Petkovic
Oct 29th, 2011, 08:25 AM
I'm confused. I thought the 2-way tiebreaker was H2H, and Vika beat Stosur. So she still would have won the group even if she lost 6-0,6-0 to Bartoli. :shrug:

I wasn't able to watch the match, but I feel kinda sorry for Vika -- a tough position to be put in, especially with it being the late night match.

I believe every tennis coach would agree match experience is much more valuable than mere practice. This day Vika had a rare opportunity; to have a practice session under game conditions, but she apparently squandered this opportunity. It was obvious right from the get go that Bartoli was going to give her best effort in trying to win. And there was no pressure on Vika to win or lose; so ergo it was the perfect time for her to try shots and techniques she was weak on. In other words she did not have to make an effort to win the match, but it would have been much better for her to make an effort to try things that are out of her comfort zone.

The game today was her chance to hone her skills in her preparation for the semi final which she could not achieve by sitting around in her hotel room or even in a serious rigorous practice session. Unfortunately Vika and her coach just viewed this match as an obligation rather than an opportunity.

Completely agree with you on this one.

Otlichno
Oct 29th, 2011, 08:50 AM
Eh, if the tour is dumb enough to keep the RR system, then I don't see why players should be blamed for taking advantage of it. I'd preserve my energy for the semis too.

Completely agree, at least Vika made somewhat of a match out of it in the first 2 sets. But when the third set came, she just wanted to leave the court, and for completely understandable reasons. Honestly, I commend her for not retiring, I probably would have done that if I was in a third set of a dead rubber.

C. Drone
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:18 AM
lol, @ blaming RR... like you never saw tanking in knockout format. :lol:
the only problem was Vika and her usual stupidity and dumb acting.


Yes. I would've done the same thing if i was her. (but, i'm a dude). Is very hard to play a match at 23 o'clock when you have a semifinal to play next day. You have no time for recover.

she could have finish the match much earlier just trying to win or lose 62 63 or similar score... its her own fault, basically.

Beat
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:25 AM
it just shows her general attitude towards the sport: graceless, grumpy, spoilt and annoying. what a difference to how kvitova approached hermatch against radwanska.

Bronx19
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:44 AM
Yes. I would've done the same thing if i was her. (but, i'm a dude). Is very hard to play a match at 23 o'clock when you have a semifinal to play next day. You have no time for recover.

Ah, yeah, thats why she lost in three? She played three tight sets to get some rest.

NeKo
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:54 AM
^ yes. Three tight sets with no effort, instead of two sets with effort and little time to recover.

Monzanator
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:59 AM
At least she has courage to admit it. This has happened before and will happen again in RR matches. Much ado about nothing.

Matt01
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:00 AM
Round robin sucks, always has, always will. I'm not saying she shouldn't have tried but can you blame her? Who on earth would tire themselves out in a meaningless match the night before one of the most important matches of her career? It's absurd to think someone would do that and that's why RR sucks.

For all the self-righteous fans out here, almost nobody tries during these dead rubber matches they just don't make it seem obvious. It's almost refreshing that Vika didn't try to pretend like she gave a shit.


:lol: You may have a point. Maybe Vika's behaviour will give the WTA some hints that useing the RR format at ANY tournament is just stupid.

MarkNL
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:07 AM
Just watched a clip of the match, Vika is tanking and not screaming :o What a bitch, OMG. Just don't scream in the matches that matter as well then :o

Matt01
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:10 AM
Just watched a clip of the match, Vika is tanking and not screaming :o What a bitch, OMG. Just don't scream in the matches that matter as well then :o


She didn't scream because she didn't bother :shrug:

If she screams in a match, it is a good sign because that means she cares ;)

Adrian.
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:49 AM
yeah she cares to cheat :cheer::o

Matt01
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:06 AM
yeah she cares to cheat :cheer::o


I see your stupid thread about Vika got closed :oh:

Mods :worship:

Shinjiro
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:10 AM
Believable, not a second (I'd rather watch any of Agassi's tank jobs); acceptable, yes – I mean, no screaming! How can one say no to that.

Bronx19
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:32 AM
^ yes. Three tight sets with no effort, instead of two sets with effort and little time to recover.

*Face palm* How the fuck does she get more time to recover playing three sets?

Maidenhair
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:05 PM
Yup, she should definitely be fined. Even for a fan, this is unacceptable behaviour. :shrug:

VishaalMaria
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:22 PM
Vika had the nerve to actually admit tanking!! I think I'm getting to like her

Javi.
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:00 PM
it just shows her general attitude towards the sport: graceless, grumpy, spoilt and annoying. what a difference to how kvitova approached hermatch against radwanska.

THIS!

marineblue
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:17 PM
I'm not going to knock her for being honest. This match had no real meaning to her since she has secured the SF appearance.

Lachy
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:18 PM
She's an absolute preppy diva :tape:. Needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. She can play great tennis, but her class in non-existent.

Mary Cherry.
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:27 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UCvzX.gif

Jajaloo
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Yup, she should definitely be fined. Even for a fan, this is unacceptable behaviour. :shrug:

:lol: why should she care, she's already in the semis. Making her play this match is ridiculous.

Dexter
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:04 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UCvzX.gifYes, what a great role-model. :rolleyes:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Yes, what a great role-model. :rolleyes:

Kids should want to grow up to be basket cases instead, right?

MisterMan
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Whether you're OK with the tanking or not - it is against the rules of the game she chose to play. Def should be fined. She should've just withdrew and claimed a 24 hour flu or something instead of breaking the rules.

MB.
Oct 29th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Yes, what a great role-model. :rolleyes:

I thought she was a tennis player?

Seriously, the whole "role-model" argument sucks. If they are a good RM, great. If not--too bad, that's not their job. Vika is a tennis player. She gets paid to win matches. Not put out some sort of persona or try to do anything else.

//

Secondly, I'm onboard with this getting rid of RR matches (or at least not playing dead rubbers?). The incentives for the players are all wrong.

codycruz1234
Oct 29th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Tanking is very usual in tennis, AKA Wawrinka everytime he plays Federer it looks like he is playing a practice match. The problem here is the way she tanked it, she decided to do it in the third set and not just went for the strategy on the get go. Keep hitting it hard hit or miss, win or loss she will be out in 2 sets. The fact that she tanked the third set and lost the third set 6-4 is more embarassing for bartoli than her.

treufreund
Oct 29th, 2011, 05:50 PM
I don't really like Azarenka very much and I find her game so incredibly boring and conventional, BUT her decision not to expend too much energy is very understandable. I don't think it's a big deal. Congratz to Bartoli for working hard out there!

Break My Rapture
Oct 29th, 2011, 05:54 PM
Kids should want to grow up to be basket cases instead, right?
:bigcry:

wildemu
Oct 29th, 2011, 05:55 PM
the wta shouldn't fine her because it'll make the whole situation even more laughable. They'll probably give the multi-millionaire a $500 fine for tanking.

MakarovaFan
Oct 29th, 2011, 06:15 PM
I don't really like Azarenka very much and I find her game so incredibly boring and conventional, BUT her decision not to expend too much energy is very understandable. I don't think it's a big deal. Congratz to Bartoli for working hard out there!
Huh?? She prolonged the match for 2h 30 mins......if tha's her way of not expending energy ina dead rubber match then she needs to re-think her strategies.

Corswandt
Oct 29th, 2011, 08:09 PM
I found it priceless, particularly as that oblivious, overgrown child Marion was still pumping herself up like crazy, even though Toria's less than half-assed performance was nearly enough to beat her, and it was clear than a fully committed Toria would wipe the court with her.

But I'll admit that, if such a blatant display of pure scorn for one's opponent was directed towards a player I actually liked, I might think differently.

The crowd didn't seem to care much. Like always, any match that goes to 3 sets is automatically rated as a good match by the casual fans.

LightWarrior
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:11 PM
It's acceptable. What is getting less acceptable is her borderline schizo behaviour when celebrating vicory. Two days ago it was aggresive killer manly behaviour, today she was listless...

Novichok
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:31 AM
It's acceptable. What is getting less acceptable is her borderline schizo behaviour when celebrating vicory. Two days ago it was aggresive killer manly behaviour, today she was listless...

:rolleyes:

Qrystyna
Oct 30th, 2011, 03:57 AM
Shriekarenka is a glorified pusher with an awful attitude and highly exaggerated shriek that makes her matches absolutely hideous to watch. There's a huge difference between grunting and shrieking.

Talula
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:37 AM
What a waste of time and money that match was. The only person to profit was Marion. Dead rubbers should just be scrapped. I think it was acceptable for Vika to tank, but the manner in which shecdid it was dumb! With her experience she should have known how to do it. I couldn't help but laugh at Marion's tedious routines before serving and the fact she needed 3 close sets despite Vika's level said a lot.

All that money wasted when it could have been put to so much better use!

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:43 AM
I AM NOT BASHING HERE but... Serena does this ALL the time in non slam events. Where are all the bashing threads about her? :rolleyes: Or are people just used to it by now.

Sp!ffy
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:05 AM
I AM NOT BASHING HERE but... Serena does this ALL the time in non slam events. Where are all the bashing threads about her? :rolleyes: Or are people just used to it by now.

I've seen matches where it was clear that Serena wasn't putting her best effort to win but I've never seen her try to make it known that she was tanking or didn't care. At least she respects her opponent and the crowd too much where she's not going to hit out on purpose or get angry for winning games or put her hands on her waist like a brat when her opponent gets ready to serve.

Just no.

VeeJJ
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:08 AM
She makes it clear she doesn't care, just in a different, "I'm a Diva and I run this shit" kinda way. Serena does it arrogantly, Vika does it childishly.

KBlade
Oct 30th, 2011, 09:36 AM
Victoria's tanking was far more obvious than Serena's. Azarenka was just flat-out refusing to hit balls within her reach and letting serves go. If she wanted to tank could have at least been more convincing, or just started taking huge cuts at the ball, or at least hitting a couple of balls in before hitting and error.

Serena at least still makes her opponents play for the match when she tanks by making them play a couple of balls or taking the occasional outrageous swing, rather than handing it over on a silver platter.

Matt01
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:39 AM
I've seen matches where it was clear that Serena wasn't putting her best effort to win but I've never seen her try to make it known that she was tanking or didn't care. At least she respects her opponent and the crowd too much where she's not going to hit out on purpose or get angry for winning games or put her hands on her waist like a brat when her opponent gets ready to serve.

Just no.


Then Vika is just honest about her tanking while the others are trying to hide it. I prefer the honest player.

Adrian.
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:41 AM
Then Vika is just honest about her tanking while the others are trying to hide it. I prefer the honest player.

:facepalm:
Oh boy, you have serious problems then...:awww::hug:

Matt01
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:45 AM
:facepalm:
Oh boy, you have serious problems then...:awww::hug:


Where's my obligatory bad rep from you? Or do you just want to hug me? :p

BlueTrees
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Vika didn't tank. Marion beat her fair and square. :shrug: :cheer:

Adrian.
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Vika didn't tank. Marion beat her fair and square. :shrug: :cheer:

:happy::happy:
Maybe it's better when this thread gets closed as well :shrug:

terjw
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:18 PM
In a dead rubber - yes. Why risk injury if you have already qualified for the SF? That's the only time I think that not trying is acceptable. I think TBE has said that the YEC schedule is different from the way the ATP do it and there would be far fewer dead rubbers if they did it the same way the ATP do it.

manu32
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:51 PM
The rule is the issue ,imo.
Sharapova WD.Why?btw.
No replacement.
WO.

NeKo
Oct 31st, 2011, 06:35 PM
:facepalm:
Oh boy, you have serious problems then...:awww::hug:

another pointless post by the same guy. So nothing new.

Talula
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:18 PM
Where's my obligatory bad rep from you? Or do you just want to hug me? :p

I think you should both book a motel room and get done with it!