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@danieln1
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:58 PM
Sure she has the game, and saw lesser players like Stosur Schiavone winning one before her.

If she could just fix her head she could definetely win Wimbledon or the US Open.

Say Hey Kid
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Can she? Absolutely. She has shown she can play well in the slams, and if she puts herself in the position of making another final - regardless of who the opponent is she is capable of winning one match on any given day.

Will she? My guess is no. As everyone knows, she has a tremendously difficult time regaining her composure in matches after she lets a good oppurtunity slip by. Not only that, but in all likely hood she has peaked in terms of ability. If her current form stays the same for the next two years, she will have a chance, but for my money she will never win a slam.

pav
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:12 AM
After last night's performance she would be lucky to be awarded the ribbon for the best brood mare at the central hawkes bay A&P show :fiery:

Galina's Scowl
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:14 AM
Hopefully not; few players are worse to watch. I hope she retires soon.

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Sure she has the game, and saw lesser players like Stosur winning one before her.

If she could just fix her head she could definetely win Wimbledon or the US Open.

Are we really sure about that? :spit:

The "Schiavone Clause" has to apply to all questions of this sort (if she can do it, anyone can)--but, with that said, it would probably take another improbable aligning of the stars for Zvonareva to do it. Just like Wozniacki, she's always going to have the problem that she's going to most likely run into a more powerful player inform in the latter stages of big events - plus, Zvonareva has additional mental problems to boot, even if a draw ever did fall apart for her to take advantage of. All in all, very unlikely.

justineheninfan
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:19 AM
I doubt it. She has a good game, but even her best game is still beatable by a number of others on a good day, and she has problems with the mental side of the game, especialy playing big matches, on top of that.

Also are we sure Stosur is a lesser player. I know head to head is alot about matchups but still Sam is something like 9-0 against her isnt she. Also Sam in addition to her U.S Open title made a run to the French Open final last year that was more impressive than either of Vera's slam final runs (not that they werent impressive as well, just definitely not moreso).

Considering she got spanked badly in both her slam finals, she really hasnt even been close to winning a slam these last few years, when she is probably already as good as she is going to get, and when the WTA is about as bad overall as it can probably ever get.

Then again with the way the WTA still is it wouldnt surprise me much or any if she joined the growing list of current 1 slam winners. However I wouldnt bet on it.

lang26
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:35 AM
Hopefully

n1_and_uh_noone
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:59 AM
Sure she has the game, and saw lesser players like Stosur Schiavone winning one before her.

If she could just fix her head she could definetely win Wimbledon or the US Open.

Tut tut tut... if TF should have taught you anything, it is that the very fact they won one at all makes them no longer 'lesser'. :oh:

stromatolite
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:08 AM
I like Vera's game a lot, but fear her window of opportunity might have closed now. She could possibly still win a slam but she'd need to ride her luck a bit to do so. Will be happy for her if she does it, but don't think it will happen.

Kairi
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:12 AM
after today's performance :spit: :haha: ..cue BepaMaria in 3..2..1..

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:14 AM
If she stays healthy and plays another 5 years, she'll have a chance.
She got to 2 finals & lost to Hall of Fame players.
If she can get back there & play someone who is nervous in a final, of course she can
But its a longshot

Brad[le]y.
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:16 AM
after today's performance :spit: :haha: ..cue BepaMaria in 3..2..1..

I haven't seen him in a while... :unsure:

Amalgamate
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:29 AM
No. Next.

dragonflies
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:54 AM
If she stays healthy and plays another 5 years, she'll have a chance.
She got to 2 finals & lost to Hall of Fame players.
If she can get back there & play someone who is nervous in a final, of course she can
But its a longshot



I wish her good luck, but today she was more nervous than Agnieszka Radwanska in a round robin match.









gnieszka Radwanska

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:59 AM
If Radwanska can out-mental you...:help:, then you ain't winning a major. It's simple as that. :lol:

stromatolite
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:02 AM
If Radwanska can out-mental you...:help:, then you ain't winning a major. It's simple as that. :lol:

It's not a good sign for sure, but a lot of players have had worse losses than this and gone on to win slams, so it's not quite that simple. It's pretty unlikely, but it could happen.

bobito
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:13 AM
Not a snowball's chance in hell. The "if Schiavone can win one so can she" angle misses one important factor. Schiavone had the stones to seize her opportunity when it came. I can't see Vera approaching a slam final in a similar spirit.

stromatolite
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:23 AM
Not a snowball's chance in hell. The "if Schiavone can win one so can she" angle misses one important factor. Schiavone had the stones to seize her opportunity when it came. I can't see Vera approaching a slam final in a similar spirit.

:lol: Good point, but fate could pitch her in a final against an even worse basket case, in which case one of them would have to win. Not very likely, but it has happened before (don't think I need to name names;))

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:12 AM
It's not a good sign for sure, but a lot of players have had worse losses than this and gone on to win slams, so it's not quite that simple. It's pretty unlikely, but it could happen.

:lol: Well Novotna lucked out by having Tauziat as her opponent in the one final she won. Sooo maybe Vera can luck out like that...but they don't come much weaker than Radwanska mentally, so if even SHE proves to be too much to close out, then...:shrug:

Beat
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:18 AM
Sure she has the game

has she?

Dani12
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:18 AM
I doubt it, she doesn't have the variety or the power to win a grandslam. She hasn't got a noticebly favoured surface like Schiavone. Her footwork is sloppy and awkward and her temperament is awful..

justineheninfan
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:37 PM
:lol: Well Novotna lucked out by having Tauziat as her opponent in the one final she won. Sooo maybe Vera can luck out like that...but they don't come much weaker than Radwanska mentally, so if even SHE proves to be too much to close out, then...:shrug:

Novotna is a much stronger player than Vera. She made 4 slam finals, she was a regular favorite to make the Wimbledon final, won twice as many singles tournament titles at a much stronger time for the WTA overall, and she won the WTA Championships. She should have beaten Sabatini, Navratilova, and Graf all in a row to win her first slam 5 years earlier, but had that horrific choke at the end of the Graf final which prevented it.

The way Vera played her 2 slam finals she probably would have lost to Tauziat on grass. Actually Tauziat is a better grass courter than Vera even on a good day, so presuming it was a Wimbledon final most definitely she would have.

The overused Schiavone example doesnt even work since:

1. Vera is a better overall player than Schiavone but Schiavone on clay > Vera on any surface. Well maybe Vera on hard courts is debateable vs Schiavone on clay but the depth of the womens game is MUCH higher on hard courts than it is on clay currently. Clay is the perfect surface to specialize if you want to win a slam, since Henin retired it has becoming an increasing joke.

2. Schiavone played better tennis to win that French Open final by a long ways than Vera has in either of her 2 finals. Yeah Schiavone lucked out to have an easier opponent (another first time finalist) and might have still lost against a tougher one, but she still played far better. While Vera probably couldnt have won her 2 slam finals given the opponent and their play even on a better day, she also probably wouldnt have beaten anyone, even an easier slam final opponent (other than a fantasy one like McHale or Oudin) the way she performed in those matches. Maybe Schiavone can handle the magnitude of that moment, probably in large part since she knows almost nothing about being even a minor top player (or didnt at the time) and the pressure surrounding it, while Vera does.

3. Schiavone did something extremely unlikely to happen for a player of her caliber, even in todays womens game (as much as I like Schiavone and her game). Just because someone won a 1 and 1 million lottery, doesnt mean you are going to win a 1 and 100, 000 (huge exagerration but you get the point).

jrm
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Nope, there will always be better (and more talented) players in the field; her laboured game with atrocious court movement are her doom! She can thank Clijsters for Wimbledon/Toronto final last year and open draw for US Open final!

pav
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:18 PM
I can take most of the criticism, except for the movement ones,sloppy, awkward , atrocious?I don't think so!Schiavone is better on clay? hasen't shown it yet.

Monzanator
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Vera's mental strenght is still under question, so the answer is no :shrug:

Dani12
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:36 PM
I can take most of the criticism, except for the movement ones,sloppy, awkward , atrocious?I don't think so!Schiavone is better on clay? hasen't shown it yet.

She's quick and her movement is effective, but her foot work is quite bad. It's awkward, she's consistently overrunning balls, not getting out of the way of balls, falling off shots due to footwork.

pav
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:45 PM
She's quick and her movement is effective, but her foot work is quite bad. It's awkward, she's consistently overrunning balls, not getting out of the way of balls, falling off shots due to footwork.
I'll have to find time to study some film, but have never noticed it being that bad and her being that good at defence she must pull off a miracle.

fouc
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:50 PM
Vera's mental strenght is still under question, so the answer is no :shrug:

It's not. This question was answered yesterday.

Dani12
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:50 PM
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She does it plenty of times here, just overruning shots, not getting out of the way. I just don't think her footwork is tidy enough for someone who is essentially a defensive player.

killerqueen
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:59 PM
In the early slams this year, I recall saying to a friend that if Zvonareva was ever going to win a Slam, then was the time. I think her time has kind of passed now. I'd like to see her win one, but I think the moment has kind of gone for her.

Then again, not many would have said that Schiavone, Stosur and Li would turn out slam champions, so you never know. It doesn't help Zvonareva that she sucks on clay, because the French Open is as wide open as ever this year.

Irute
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:59 PM
I believe people work on their weaknesses so I think she can. Will she? How should I know.
Something funny came to my mind ... a slam final of Vera vs. Sveta :)

Jajaloo
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:05 PM
It's WTA, anything can happen, but I don't think it's very likely.

I imagine she will drop to around #8-#12 in 2012.

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:12 PM
I think Safina and Jankovic just had physical problems. With Jankovic more wear & tear. They had a limited window.
Vera just beat Caro & had Aga at 53 40-15.
Her level is good enough to have more deep slam runs.
A player who's very good but not great, you need a lot of luck.

Mistress of Evil
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Nope! Who is the challenged pal that made this thread?

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/_svetlio_/tennis/tumblr_lfno8qPQdk1qcb1qao1_400.gif

Dani12
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Nope! Who is the challenged pal that made this thread?

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/_svetlio_/tennis/tumblr_lfno8qPQdk1qcb1qao1_400.gif

Oh...they made her eat vegemite..such a cliche. :rolleyes:

stromatolite
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:36 PM
Oh...they made her eat vegemite..such a cliche. :rolleyes:

That's when her game fell to pieces :lol:

Beat
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:23 PM
Schiavone is better on clay? hasen't shown it yet.

:spit:

BepaMaria
Oct 28th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Of course! Zvonareva is one of the most talented players on the tour. She fully deserves to be #1 in the world instead of #6 and when playing well, she can beat anybody except Stosur and Aga. She can also play on all surfaces, which gives her more opportunities as compared to clay-courters such as Schiavone. I say that she will not only win a slam, she will win the golden slam next year.

Imperfect Angel
Oct 28th, 2011, 05:11 PM
:haha: Welcome back.:hug:

gulzhan
Oct 28th, 2011, 05:12 PM
All the oldies got one or even two GSs lately, why shouldn't Vera? :shrug: I wish she kept her handsome coach though :drool:

justineheninfan
Oct 28th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Schiavone is better on clay? hasen't shown it yet.

Yeah because a French Open title and another French Open final the very next year dont show she is better than Vera on clay. :tape: :lol:

Mike25
Oct 29th, 2011, 05:20 PM
:lol: Well Novotna lucked out by having Tauziat as her opponent in the one final she won. Sooo maybe Vera can luck out like that...but they don't come much weaker than Radwanska mentally, so if even SHE proves to be too much to close out, then...:shrug:

Jana was mentally stronger then you give her credit for. Now I'm not going to put her in Steffi or Arantxa's league, when it comes to the mental part of the game. However, Jana was just as tough as the mentally frail Sabatini, if not more so, which probably isn't saying much.

But people forget Jana played in 4 slam finals, and was ranked as high as number 2 in the world. At 1993 Wimbledon, Jana beat Sabatini in the quarters, Martina in the semis, and should have beaten Steffi in the final. In spite of the setback against Steffi, Jana was still able to win a Wimbledon title, something Sabatini never accomplished.

Jana earned her slam fair and square, time will only tell if Vera will get there someday.

PLP
Oct 29th, 2011, 05:35 PM
I doubt it. She has a good game, but even her best game is still beatable by a number of others on a good day, and she has problems with the mental side of the game, especialy playing big matches, on top of that.

Also are we sure Stosur is a lesser player. I know head to head is alot about matchups but still Sam is something like 9-0 against her isnt she. Also Sam in addition to her U.S Open title made a run to the French Open final last year that was more impressive than either of Vera's slam final runs (not that they werent impressive as well, just definitely not moreso).

Considering she got spanked badly in both her slam finals, she really hasnt even been close to winning a slam these last few years, when she is probably already as good as she is going to get, and when the WTA is about as bad overall as it can probably ever get.

Then again with the way the WTA still is it wouldnt surprise me much or any if she joined the growing list of current 1 slam winners. However I wouldnt bet on it.

That's a very good point, and I definitely think Stosur is a superior player...though also less consistent.

I would love Vera to win one and I am usually optimistic about these things but I just can't see it. She doesn't have the mentality in the later rds of slams and I think she has already passed her chances by.

justineheninfan
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Jana was mentally stronger then you give her credit for. Now I'm not going to put her in Steffi or Arantxa's league, when it comes to the mental part of the game. However, Jana was just as tough as the mentally frail Sabatini, if not more so, which probably isn't saying much.

But people forget Jana played in 4 slam finals, and was ranked as high as number 2 in the world. At 1993 Wimbledon, Jana beat Sabatini in the quarters, Martina in the semis, and should have beaten Steffi in the final. In spite of the setback against Steffi, Jana was still able to win a Wimbledon title, something Sabatini never accomplished.

Jana earned her slam fair and square, time will only tell if Vera will get there someday.

I am always amazed how people find ways to bring their old shticks to threads in no way related to them (in your case your obsession with Sabatini vs Novotna comparisions and trying to prove, in vain to most people, how Jana is supposably superior). One minor reference to Jana, and somehow you manage to drag Sabatini and Sabatini vs Novotna into the Vera Zvonareva topic. :lol:

Brad[le]y.
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Of course! Zvonareva is one of the most talented players on the tour. She fully deserves to be #1 in the world instead of #6 and when playing well, she can beat anybody except Stosur and Aga. She can also play on all surfaces, which gives her more opportunities as compared to clay-courters such as Schiavone. I say that she will not only win a slam, she will win the golden slam next year.

:rolls:

Sammo
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:28 PM
God I hope she doesn't, would be a disgrace for tennis. Not because of Vera's tennis, but because she lets everyone rape her on the court in important matches.

Londoner
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:32 PM
I like her, and I think she could but won't.

Yoncé
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:45 PM
I live in hope

bandabou
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:30 PM
Jana was mentally stronger then you give her credit for. Now I'm not going to put her in Steffi or Arantxa's league, when it comes to the mental part of the game. However, Jana was just as tough as the mentally frail Sabatini, if not more so, which probably isn't saying much.

But people forget Jana played in 4 slam finals, and was ranked as high as number 2 in the world. At 1993 Wimbledon, Jana beat Sabatini in the quarters, Martina in the semis, and should have beaten Steffi in the final. In spite of the setback against Steffi, Jana was still able to win a Wimbledon title, something Sabatini never accomplished.

Jana earned her slam fair and square, time will only tell if Vera will get there someday.

Sure..but anybody other than Tauziat in the final and Jana don't win Wimbledon.

Heck..she should've beaten Hingis at the u.s.open '98 and would've become no.1, but we all know what happened.

sammy01
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:37 PM
seriously hope not.

lang26
Oct 30th, 2011, 05:55 AM
It's WTA, anything can happen

pav
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:33 AM
Yeah because a French Open title and another French Open final the very next year dont show she is better than Vera on clay. :tape: :lol:
Head to friggin head Jujufan!If Ahhee beats her on clay fair enough, but till then zip your fly please.

BlueTrees
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:51 AM
No way :lol:

Talula
Oct 30th, 2011, 08:45 AM
Probably not, but I'd still take her bank account! And if I were a player and given I'm British I'd take her career too!

MLF
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:37 AM
I doubt she ever will. She reminds me of the Manuela Maleeva of this era, very good player, some excellent results but not quite the real deal. However, even if she were to stop now she has had a career to be very proud of.

justineheninfan
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Head to friggin head Jujufan!If Ahhee beats her on clay fair enough, but till then zip your fly please.

What a stupid argument. Head to heads are alot about matchups. Do you want to admit Stosur is 10 times the player Vera is on any surface, she is if you just look at their head to head matches. Based on head to head Bammer is a better player than Serena. However even if you want to stick to that stupid contradictive argument, Stosur vs the field is a much bigger threat on clay than Vera is, and the field in the current wide open WTA is what determines if you win a slam or not, so even that wouldnt detract from my original points.

All Vera has achieved on clay is losing a tier 1 and tier 2 final, the tier 2 final by being embarassed 6-0, 6-3 by Stosur (who Schiavone beat in the FO final months later). Schiavone has a French Open title and French Open final the very next year. Schiavone >>>>> Vera on clay, end of.

pav
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:36 PM
What a stupid argument. Head to heads are alot about matchups. Do you want to admit Stosur is 10 times the player Vera is on any surface, she is if you just look at their head to head matches. Based on head to head Bammer is a better player than Serena. However even if you want to stick to that stupid contradictive argument, Stosur vs the field is a much bigger threat on clay than Vera is, and the field in the current wide open WTA is what determines if you win a slam or not, so even that wouldnt detract from my original points.
All Vera has achieved on clay is losing a tier 1 and tier 2 final, the tier 2 final by being embarassed 6-0, 6-3 by Stosur (who Schiavone beat in the FO final months later). Schiavone has a French Open title and French Open final the very next year. Schiavone >>>>> Vera on clay, end of.
No no no! not a stupid augument, not the end of, until she can beat her on clay you can't say that. You can say she has had better results on clay, would you have sat back confident of a Schiavone FO win if it had have been v Bepa even taking into account her terrible finals record :confused: Stosur is a better player when playing Vera than Vera is.

Patrick345
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:38 PM
Are you seriously arguing about Zvonareva and red clay. Her winning Roland Garros would be a bigger shock than the time, when Conchita won Wimbledon.