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pov
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:17 PM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:18 PM
I agree. She shows an impressive ability to bring her game, all year round. She is great for organizers, because she always delivers.

Geertvg
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:18 PM
:spit:

Yeah. What a champion!!!!

tennisforadults
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:21 PM
You have gone out of your way to highlight the very thing that keeps people away from embracing her as a true no. 1 :facepalm:

It's a meaningless stat few tennis players want to have.

Miracle Worker
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:28 PM
It's not her fault that other players suck even more than her...

But I think I've never seen world leader with such amount of points :tape:

tennisforadults
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Like saying I'm the best climber in the world, not by reaching Everest, but by adding up all the other smaller mountains I climbed.

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:30 PM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.

Actually this is the final evidence that current system doesn't work

Soliloque
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:30 PM
YAY :cheer:

Lets bow to our queen

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsvjyqbsS61r1ssano1_500.gif

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Like saying I'm the best climber in the world, not by reaching Everest, but by adding up all the other smaller mountains I climbed.

Being that most of the hardest climbs in the world are smaller mountains... You make a very good point. :)

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Being that most of the hardest climbs in the world are smaller mountains... You make a very good point. :)

Maybe in Denmark

Pro goes to Tibet

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Like saying I'm the best climber in the world, not by reaching Everest, but by adding up all the other smaller mountains I climbed.

"Aint no mountain hiiigh enough", sings Caro from no.1. hill :lol:

At least she stays on top of her little mountain while the others fall off the big ones. :)

Kvitova is there to stay on her's though... Watch her win the champs on sunday.

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Maybe in Denmark

Pro goes to Tibet

Shows you know as little about climbing as you do tennis... Tourist go to Tibet these days.

killerqueen
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Davenport 2004/2005? :) And she did it with a background of winning slams in the past.

Lindsay wins this achievement.

Love you!

(Though in all seriousness, I do think it's something for Caroline to be proud of! :))

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Shows you know as little about climbing as you do tennis... Tourist go to Tibet these days.

Oh dear, fanboy alert

Enjoy your crappy tennis player til you can

Soliloque
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:41 PM
There's no mountain in Denmark anyway :shrug:

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Actually this is the final evidence that current system doesn't work

whats wrong with it?

tennisforadults
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Being that most of the hardest climbs in the world are smaller mountains... You make a very good point. :)

Thanks for twisting my point.

Everyone knows New Haven is actually the hardest "mountain" to climb, more challenging in every way than the Aussie, French, US Opens and Wimbledon.

FORZA SARITA
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:43 PM
:spit: not even going to comment.

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Thanks for twisting my point.

Everyone knows New Haven is actually the hardest "mountain" to climb, more challenging in every way than the Aussie, French, US Opens and Wimbledon.

Now it's my fault that you're not able to make a good analogy? :lol:

have a READ (http://www.hottnez.com/the-15-most-spectacular-rock-climbs/) anyway, you might get the point. :)

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:55 PM
whats wrong with it?


For a Scandinavian ?

Obviously nothing

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:58 PM
For a Scandinavian ?

Obviously nothing

You don't express your thoughts that good, do you?

Ranking system is used to determine entry into tournaments. It does not contain only a top 10 or a top 100. it also goes all the way down to rank 1174. A majority of the players on the tour can not play the Grand Slams. the system needs to work for everyone, not only top players.

So please explain, whats wrong with the system.

tennisforadults
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Now it's my fault that you're not able to make a good analogy? :lol:

have a READ (http://www.hottnez.com/the-15-most-spectacular-rock-climbs/) anyway, you might get the point. :)

If you decide that my analogy was flawed, why do you keep using it to exert your point?

In any case, it doesn't matter if smaller mountains are harder to climb than Everest, Wozniacki still hasn't won any major. One day she might. But until then, you are not going to stop the criticisms just because you think you're so clever about rebutting my analogy.

Good luck. :bigwave:

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:19 PM
So please explain, whats wrong with the system.

You already know what's wrong the system, but you can't admit it because you must defend your poster girl

Yes, the same poster girl with 1 Slam Final (2009)

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:25 PM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.


Davenport in 2004/05 :shrug:

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:28 PM
You already know what's wrong the system, but you can't admit it because you must defend your poster girl

Yes, the same poster girl with 1 Slam Final (2009)

Let me translate that for you...

Erm, yeah but na but yeah but no but yeah but what eva init

All becomes clear about the "flawed" ranking system. :)

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:30 PM
If you decide that my analogy was flawed, why do you keep using it to exert your point?

I don't think I was, I liked it... However, that climbing website has lots of pretty pictures, and I thought you might like to learn something about climbing :)

No1Curr
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:32 PM
Yeah she just gets the majority of her points from the tournaments nobody else cares about instead.

ivanban
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:49 PM
I agree. She shows an impressive ability to bring her game, all year round. She is great for organizers, because she always delivers.

:spit: ...always when it doesn't matter much :secret:

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:53 PM
:spit: ...always when it doesn't matter much :secret:

Leave JJ out of this.

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:59 PM
Yeah she just gets the majority of her points from the tournaments nobody else cares about instead.


Not her fault that players like Serena or Kim don't care about the tour or that Venus or Pova can't play tournaments without getting injured/ill :shrug:

The Dawntreader
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Not her fault that players like Serena or Kim don't care about the tour or that Venus or Pova can't play tournaments without getting injured/ill :shrug:

Any way you address it, the tour is struggling then.

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Any way you address it, the tour is struggling then.


Top players are struggling becasue the tour is becoming more physical and te depth of the field higher.

danieln1
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Like saying I'm the best climber in the world, not by reaching Everest, but by adding up all the other smaller mountains I climbed.

What a comparison :haha: :haha:

It makes sense though :oh:

Trih
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Being that most of the hardest climbs in the world are smaller mountains... You make a very good point. :)

The problem is just that smaller mountains may be harder than Everest, but smaller tournaments are just smaller than Slams, and that's all folks. :rolleyes:

Burisleif
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:28 AM
The problem is just that smaller mountains may be harder than Everest, but smaller tournaments are just smaller than Slams, and that's all folks. :rolleyes:

Over 3000 people have climbed Everest, but only a select few have climbed the 15. :)

égalité
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:12 AM
No she's not. Davenport?

Moveyourfeet
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:35 AM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.

How is that stellar?

She most certainly would prefer to have retained the year end #1 while winning a grand slam.

eDonkey
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:05 AM
I think it is a great achievement. :shrug:

You have Pironkova (last year) or K.Bondarenko and Oudin in 2009 who had highly overrated ranking due to large amounts of points at Slams - they were around no.30 for months.And now we have a top player that is not relying on one or two tournaments to be as high, which means incredible consistency.:worship:

It would be a great stat for a top 5 player, but looks pity for a number one.

Pops Maellard
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:16 AM
Meh, Caro's game sucks but the rest of the tour need to stop being mugs pretty much. Someone has to be #1, and Caro clearly wants it more than everyone else :p.

Apoleb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:20 AM
Aravane Rezai is not impressed.

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:58 AM
In other words: if you play enough matches,you WILL become no.1...you don't have to win even that much, just play enough matches.
And that's a thing Caro has done well the last two years. Kudos to her, I guess.

But legacies aren't built around YE # 1's, not if they go without majors.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:36 AM
In other words: if you play enough matches,you WILL become no.1...you don't have to win even that much, just play enough matches.
And that's a thing Caro has done well the last two years. Kudos to her, I guess.


Caro had the best W-L-ratio this year of all Top 10 players before the YEC (before she got ill :p) so no, only playing much doesn't do it.

Pops Maellard
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:39 AM
Caro had the best W-L-ratio this year of all Top 10 players before the YEC (before she got ill :p) so no, only playing much doesn't do it.
I thought Kvitova did. Percentage wise anyway.

Fantasy Hero
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Meh, Caro's game sucks but the rest of the tour need to stop being mugs pretty much. Someone has to be #1, and Caro clearly wants it more than everyone else :p.

wow a hater with brain posting on GM :sobbing: world might soon explode then :sobbing:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:53 AM
I thought Kvitova did. Percentage wise anyway.


I thought otherwise. Kvitova was very close, though.

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:55 AM
Caro had the best W-L-ratio this year of all Top 10 players before the YEC (before she got ill :p) so no, only playing much doesn't do it.

Sure, but she didn't win the BIGGIE. I guess apart from the clay and grass stretch, Caro didn't do too bad. Although her 1st half was much much stronger than her second half.

She's answered all the questions, now only one remains..the biggest: can she win a major? Can she REACH a final?!

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:59 AM
She's answered all the questions, now only one remains..the biggest: can she win a major? Can she REACH a final?!


Caro has already shown that she can reach a major final. Now she has to win one and her career will be complete. At 21 yo.

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:39 AM
Caro has already shown that she can reach a major final. Now she has to win one and her career will be complete. At 21 yo.

She's reached a final..now she's to reach one as no.1 and win one, then she's complete indeed.

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:58 AM
I don't think winning a major makes her complete, at 21. It should just be the beginning. But this is the longest beginning I've ever seen! And it's embarassing. I feel for her every time she loses.

I think Caro fans have to steel themselves for the fact she may never win a slam. I just can't see her getting past some of the other players even if she reached a final. I really do think it would have been better for her (and the Tour) if she had not been No 1 yet. If only some of the other players who should have been No 1 had got off their fat arses and played a proper season then we wouldn't have had this situation.

CWTennis
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:45 PM
Great achievement! Well done Caro! :worship:

I think Caro fans have to steel themselves for the fact she may never win a slam.
GTFO! Go worry about your faves! :rolleyes:

wta_zuperfann
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Caroline = # 1!

In looks and in the WTA.

:)

JN
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:53 PM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.

:spit: :lol: :haha: :happy:

Uncharted
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:00 PM
It's all down to computer rankings. Since the computer rankings were introduced it's been nothing but trouble. I say go back to the old rankings style, it was much more reliable than that computer. It's probably an Acer computer, that's why we're having so much trouble.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:00 PM
:spit: :lol: :haha: :happy:

What's so funny about that? You always blame her for not doing better at slams, you should be glad because if she did, nobody would even get close in the rankings.

MakarovaFan
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:07 PM
I agree. She shows an impressive ability to bring her game, all year round. She is great for organizers, because she always delivers.

I'm not sure if this is a joke but all year?? I could have sworn her last six months read like barely a top 10 player..... 3 1st Rd losses, 2 3Rd losses, a 4Rd loss, and failing to make it out of RR at the YEC; yeah thats surely showing an impressive ability to deliver all year round:confused:

Si_Hi
Oct 28th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Davenport 2004/2005? :) And she did it with a background of winning slams in the past.

Lindsay wins this achievement.

Love you!

(Though in all seriousness, I do think it's something for Caroline to be proud of! :))

But Davenport made it to grand slam finals twice and quarter-finals seven times during 04/05. How about wozniacki? :devil:

Morrissey
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:07 PM
I'm not sure if this is a joke but all year?? I could have sworn her last six months read like barely a top 10 player..... 3 1st Rd losses, 2 3Rd losses, a 4Rd loss, and failing to make it out of RR at the YEC; yeah thats surely showing an impressive ability to deliver all year round:confused:

Wozniacki fans are pathetic they are making so many excuses for Caroline her grand slam results this year are TERRIBLE for the number one player. She only reached two semifinals and she also LOST in the third round at the French and Fourth round at Wimbledon!

If Caroline is so great WHY hasn't she won a slam yet? Why hasn't Caroline reached a slam final in over TWO YEARS?

She just doesn't have the WEAPONS to dominate women's tennis and she is NOT dominating she's showing how weak the tour is at the moment.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:13 PM
You always blame her for not doing better at slams, you should be glad because IF she did, nobody would even get close in the rankings.

Lets start by trying to not lose to scrubs in early rounds of slams before dreaming of that.

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:15 PM
You have gone out of your way to highlight the very thing that keeps people away from embracing her as a true no. 1 :facepalm:

It's a meaningless stat few tennis players want to have.

:lol: at you trying to speak on behalf of other tennis players. What do you know they want? And well, usually people don't want things which are too difficult for them to achieve. :p

It's pretty obvious that all you Wozniacki detractors are so jealous of her achievements.

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Not her fault that players like Serena or Kim don't care about the tour or that Venus or Pova can't play tournaments without getting injured/ill :shrug:

Please, even if they played full time they could also lose. Maria actually does play the mininal no. of tournaments required for a full-time schedule. Does she win all of them? Don't think so.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:26 PM
Lets start by trying to not lose to scrubs in early rounds of slams before dreaming of that.


You think that Serena is a scrub? Seriously?

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:27 PM
You think that Serena is a scrub? Seriously?

She played like one at the USO. Plus we all know how rankings are important to Wozniacki fans, Serena wasn't ranked high enough either. And lets not forget Cibulkova (On grass:rolls:) and Hantuchova (on clay :haha:)

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:27 PM
I don't think winning a major makes her complete, at 21. It should just be the beginning. But this is the longest beginning I've ever seen! And it's embarassing. I feel for her every time she loses.

I think Caro fans have to steel themselves for the fact she may never win a slam. I just can't see her getting past some of the other players even if she reached a final. I really do think it would have been better for her (and the Tour) if she had not been No 1 yet. If only some of the other players who should have been No 1 had got off their fat arses and played a proper season then we wouldn't have had this situation.

Ouchy. You seem to be really struggling with understanding that the other players are simly not good enough to be ranked as the best in the world. Winning biggest tournaments is nice however in the history of tennis there was no no.1 player who did not have the most points of them all.
It doesn't matter where the points come from.
So really, it's better for the others to be where they're at. Quite frankly, NO other player in current top 10 would be able to hold the ranking for half of the time she is.
Caroline is the best right now, if you can't digest it, well, it doesn't matter,really.;)

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:29 PM
Lets start by trying to not lose to scrubs in early rounds of slams before dreaming of that.

SF is an "early round"? Interesting...

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:31 PM
SF is an "early round"? Interesting...

For world # 1 on her favourite surface, it is.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:33 PM
For world # 1 on her favourite surface, it is.

:lol:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:34 PM
For world # 1 on her favourite surface, it is.


:lol: Delusional.

The only "scrub" Caro lost to in the Slams could be considered Cibulkova. Unless you want to make your fave look even worse as she already does since she also lost to those other "scrubs" in big tournaments already (AO 2006 + Olympics 2008).

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:36 PM
:lol: Delusional.

The only "scrub" Caro lost to in the Slams could be considered Cibulkova. Unless you want to make your fave look even worse as she already does since she also lost to those other "scrubs" in big tournaments already (AO 2006 + Olympics 2008).

Well, that's something only a 'reetard' could claim.:oh:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:37 PM
The only "scrub" Caro lost to in the Slams could be considered Cibulkova. Unless you want to make your fave look even worse as she already does since she also lost to those other "scrubs" in big tournaments already (AO 2006 + Olympics 2008).

So hantuchova is some kind of a superwoman on clay then?

PS: Where was 'my fave' ranked when she lost to these scrubs at AO06 and Olympics 08?

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:40 PM
Where was 'my fave' ranked when she lost to these scrubs at AO06 and Olympics 08?


I dunno, but that's funny since I always get told that the ranking doesn't matter when it comes to "your fave".

Try harder. :wavey:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:41 PM
I dunno, but that's funny since I always get told that the ranking doesn't matter when it comes to "your fave".


Not to you wozniacki fans..ranking is everything right? But keep on trying to wiggle out the hole you dug :)

Try harder

Funny, since you were the one who started replying to me.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Not to you wozniacki fans..ranking is everything right?


Hmm...no?

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:52 PM
Hmm...no?

Could've fooled me with all the circle jerking that goes around her ranking.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Could've fooled me with all the circle jerking that goes around her ranking.

It's not everything but it's an impressive achievement that none of the currently active players can match :worship:

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Could've fooled me with all the circle jerking that goes around her ranking.

See, all the bullshitting is now catching up with you :wazzup:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:16 PM
See, all the bullshitting is now catching up with you :wazzup:

So you are telling me that me saying Woz fans are obsessed with her raining is bulshit?

A quick look into her forum, and the topics about her ranking, her ranking breakdown, her year end ranking, the rivals to her ranking, the weeks she spends at her number 1 ranking, how her consistency is affecting her ranking etc. :lol: :lol:

Burisleif
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:01 PM
So you are telling me that me saying Woz fans are obsessed with her raining is bulshit?

A quick look into her forum, and the topics about her ranking, her ranking breakdown, her year end ranking, the rivals to her ranking, the weeks she spends at her number 1 ranking, how her consistency is affecting her ranking etc. :lol: :lol:

Fear not reetard, lots of people have problems understanding Mathematics, statistics, ranking systems, and other simple things like that.

Luckily we have people like you to make pretty looking Gifs for them to look at instead. :)

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:52 PM
So you are telling me that me saying Woz fans are obsessed with her raining is bulshit?

A quick look into her forum, and the topics about her ranking, her ranking breakdown, her year end ranking, the rivals to her ranking, the weeks she spends at her number 1 ranking, how her consistency is affecting her ranking etc. :lol: :lol:

Ahem, I don't think it was just a quick look:rolleyes: because there is always quite number of visits compared to the number of actual posts. Silent trolling, eh?

We are not obsessed with anything, don't worry. The Wozniacki Obsession threads are exclusive to GM.

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:07 PM
She's been #1 for about 55 of the last 56 weeks. And it will continue at least into January.
Why wouldn't that be a topic in her forum?
We discuss her game, her schedule, her sponsors, and dozens of other aspects also.

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:46 PM
She's been #1 for about 55 of the last 56 weeks. And it will continue at least into January.
Why wouldn't that be a topic in her forum?
We discuss her game, her schedule, her sponsors, and dozens of other aspects also.

Goldenbot, utterly delusional up until the last :hearts:

Sam L
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:49 PM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.

Being a "Queen without a realm" is not a stellar achievement. No one wants to be No. 1 without also holding a Grand Slam title.

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:50 PM
Wozniacki is #1 for over 52 weeks, whether you accept reality or not
Talk about delusional, dsanders, look in a mirror :lol:

goldenlox
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:51 PM
Being a "Queen without a realm" is not a stellar achievement. No one wants to be No. 1 without also holding a Grand Slam title.Players want both. They want to win majors and be #1.
Caroline not only reached #1, she held it every week but 1 for over a year.
Thats not so easy. No one else is doing it.

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:53 PM
Players want both. They want to win majors and be #1.
Caroline not only reached #1, she held it every week but 1 for over a year.
Thats not so easy. No one else is doing it.

No-one else is doing it because they don't care enough :shrug: Even Azarenka probably could've overhauled her under the WTA's ridiculous system this year if only she'd cared enough to hog the "Premiers" like Woz.

goldenlox
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:00 AM
No-one else is doing it because they don't care enough :shrug: ...Maybe. I cant get inside their heads.
Wozniacki is #2 on the Forbes list. That means they ranked her above every women athlete, Olympian, tennis player, all of them except Sharapova.
So its possible, if you open up your brain, to think there might be some value in the #1 spot.

dsanders06
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:02 AM
Maybe. I cant get inside their heads.
Wozniacki is #2 on the Forbes list. That means they ranked her above every women athlete, Olympian, tennis player, all of them except Sharapova.
So its possible, if you open up your brain, to think there might be some value in the #1 spot.

You forgot to mention that she's 21.

JAS_
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:10 AM
People talking about how it ONLY takes playing enough matches to be no. 1. Well, apparently in order to play enough matches you have to win a lot of them, because exiting early tends to rob you of opportunity to play more matches. Also, how many players can actually play that many matches without getting injured or exhausted? And the reason Serena (who is the supposed opposite of Caro) doesn't play all year round is NOT only because she doesn't care, but because she knows that she can't do it all year round with consistency and without a price to pay: her body wouldn't be able to stand it, and then her 'untouchable' image would be shattered with her losses. This way she goes for broke every time. And so far - at least until this last Summer - it has worked.

Can't believe I am defending her, but gotta say that all this hate thrown Caro's way is turning me into quite a fan.
It IS quite an achievement. People are always complaining about consistency in the WTA and when there is one player who brings their best game day in and day out they hate that player. :cuckoo: much?

tennisforadults
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Over 3000 people have climbed Everest, but only a select few have climbed the 15. :)

Not doubting your knowledge on climbing but you are kidding yourself if you think "only player to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without winning a major" is something Wozniacki will be proud of.

She would dearly rather win a major. It's a real blemish on an otherwise impressive record.

Vee Williams
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:07 AM
Wozniacki is #1 for over 52 weeks, whether you accept reality or not
Talk about delusional, dsanders, look in a mirror :lol:

This. Haters can't even acknowledge the truth.

Novichok
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:10 AM
Being a "Queen without a realm" is not a stellar achievement. No one wants to be No. 1 without also holding a Grand Slam title.

If you say so...:rolleyes:

Vee Williams
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:11 AM
Being a "Queen without a realm" is not a stellar achievement. No one wants to be No. 1 without also holding a Grand Slam title.

and you know this how?

lang26
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:30 AM
Wozniacki being Number 1 in drove alot people Krazy lol We going have to get Ya in Krazy house when she win GS lol

rjd1111
Oct 29th, 2011, 04:56 AM
to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without relying on the tons of points from winning a major. IMO that's a stellar achievement.

I think we have seen with her performance in the YEC

that #1 ranking in the WTA right now is a meaningless stat

Caroline got and continues to hold the ranking by being a

good player who plays a lot of tourneys and can beat the

rank and file. Her problem is she has no weapons to beat the

big babes. She wins a lot of smaller events and can beat 1 or 2

of them on a given day. But at a slam where all or most of them

are playing one of them will stop her.

bandabou
Oct 29th, 2011, 06:36 AM
I dunno, but that's funny since I always get told that the ranking doesn't matter when it comes to "your fave".

Try harder. :wavey:

:lol: YOU should try harder, Matty. You've become very dumb lately?! Don't go down the flames like your fav. Get a grip! :sad:;)

The ranking doesn't matter to Serena..because she CAN win and HAS won majors and big tourneys ranked as no.1, ranked as no.88..that was the point. Caroline ranked no.1 for one year straight almost and can't even reach a F?! :help::lol:

As already told you: STOP mentioning Serena in threads about Caroline. Really...stop it. :o

WozTakesAll
Oct 29th, 2011, 07:38 AM
If you tell a kid that you are the world number 1 they will be impressed.
If you tell a kid that you won a Grand Glam, they will ask "What's a Grand Slam?"

World number 1 > Grand Slam winner.

Pops Maellard
Oct 29th, 2011, 07:47 AM
If you tell a kid that you are the world number 1 they will be impressed.
If you tell a kid that you won a Grand Glam, they will ask "What's a Grand Slam?"

World number 1 > Grand Slam winner.

What kind of logic is this? Obviously if a kid says "what's a Grand Slam?" they don't know tennis at all, and their opinion is therefore invalid.

JAS_
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:11 AM
:lol: YOU should try harder, Matty. You've become very dumb lately?! Don't go down the flames like your fav. Get a grip! :sad:;)

The ranking doesn't matter to Serena..because she CAN win and HAS won majors and big tourneys ranked as no.1, ranked as no.88..that was the point. Caroline ranked no.1 for one year straight almost and can't even reach a F?! :help::lol:

As already told you: STOP mentioning Serena in threads about Caroline. Really...stop it. :o

Actually his logic is valid, so if you are gonna call someone stupid it's Reetard.
By pulling the ranking argument he's either:
1) being contradictory with himself
or
2) acknowledging that ranking matters.

It's not Matt who is using the other party's arguments to prove his points.

As for not mentioning Serena in Caro's threads, I don't really think that is possible. Because it is obvious that Caro is being measured by Serena's standards and that the ACHIEVEMENT is pretty much defined as the "thing that Serena cares about". I mean, clearly no other tournament title is worthy, no other record is good enough - only slams. All the girls who don't have a slam title should kill themselves rather than be embarrassed by this so called achievement of staying on top of WTA for an extended period of time. :rolleyes:
On top of it, it is clearly Serena advocates who always start this sort of campaign against the slamless no. 1's in order to mount pressure on them (and the WTA as well so that they change the ranking system ad infinitum, so as to keep Serena near the top of the rankings). It's worked well enough on less mentally stable girls like Jankovic and Sanowa. Oops, Safina. ;)


QfQjyCUeF2Q

C. Drone
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:35 AM
Being a "Queen without a realm" is not a stellar achievement. No one wants to be No. 1 without also holding a Grand Slam title.

bullshit.
Everybody wants to be #1 and everybody wants to be slam champ. If you cant have both, you wont refuse the one you have.

valac222
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:51 AM
It is clear. Woznacki is #1 of the ranking, which by far does not mean she is the best player of the world. The best player of the world (in every sport) consistantly beating the other top 10 players (well at least has a positive record). TBH Woznacki will not be -even with a lucky GS title -a true number one with this H2H to the other players. Having sad that she will continue to beat players outside top30 and win Internationals and will keep her ranking high. With a football example she wins all friendlies and fails when it really matters (WCH, ECH). Who cares if France beats San Marino and Faroer Island on a friendly if they fail to pass through RR in the WCH? Who cares if Woz wins MMs (and gets rewarded with a label of #1) if she fails when it really matters.

gdmirou
Oct 29th, 2011, 09:55 AM
bullshit.
Everybody wants to be #1 and everybody wants to be slam champ. If you cant have both, you wont refuse the one you have.

Touche!:cool:

marineblue
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:03 AM
Not doubting your knowledge on climbing but you are kidding yourself if you think "only player to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without winning a major" is something Wozniacki will be proud of.

She would dearly rather win a major. It's a real blemish on an otherwise impressive record.


Gawd, stop making up nonsense.:smash:

If she looks at how little effort did it take to eliminate the only slam winner who had a so-so shot at no.1 it probably makes her laugh.
All she needed was to win one match.

Matt01
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:07 AM
Actually his logic is valid, so if you are gonna call someone stupid it's Reetard.
By pulling the ranking argument he's either:
1) being contradictory with himself
or
2) acknowledging that ranking matters.

It's not Matt who is using the other party's arguments to prove his points.


Thank you :)

According to bandabou, one is not allowed to say anything negative or critical of his precious fave but I won't be bothered by that oversensitive soul. :awww:

bandabou
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Thank you :)

According to bandabou, one is not allowed to say anything negative or critical of his precious fave but I won't be bothered by that oversensitive soul. :awww:

:lol: Matty, you know damned well what I mean. Don't play dummy. Since Juju retired seems like your ability to think retired along with her too.

The rankings don't matter..it is what it is. That's what Serena's saying: she IS the best player..wether the rankings say that or not. THAT was the point about the rankings not mattering.

You using that logic with Caro is stupid..because Caro ISN'T the best player, the rankings nonwithstanding.

bandabou
Oct 29th, 2011, 10:57 AM
Actually his logic is valid, so if you are gonna call someone stupid it's Reetard.
By pulling the ranking argument he's either:
1) being contradictory with himself
or
2) acknowledging that ranking matters.

It's not Matt who is using the other party's arguments to prove his points.

As for not mentioning Serena in Caro's threads, I don't really think that is possible. Because it is obvious that Caro is being measured by Serena's standards and that the ACHIEVEMENT is pretty much defined as the "thing that Serena cares about". I mean, clearly no other tournament title is worthy, no other record is good enough - only slams. All the girls who don't have a slam title should kill themselves rather than be embarrassed by this so called achievement of staying on top of WTA for an extended period of time. :rolleyes:
On top of it, it is clearly Serena advocates who always start this sort of campaign against the slamless no. 1's in order to mount pressure on them (and the WTA as well so that they change the ranking system ad infinitum, so as to keep Serena near the top of the rankings). It's worked well enough on less mentally stable girls like Jankovic and Sanowa. Oops, Safina. ;)


QfQjyCUeF2Q

Serena IS the best player..wether the rankings say it or not. Caro ISN'T the best player, NO MATTER what the ranks say. THAT's the difference.

If you don't know what you're talking about..it's better stay out of the discussion, son. See my reply to Matty. Matty wanna play with sensitive souls like you, but I know his act and see right through it.

Matt01
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:03 AM
That's what Serena's saying: she IS the best player..wether the rankings say that or not.
Serena IS the best player..wether the rankings say it or not.


Have you joined dsander's parallel universe?
I'm not making fun of you or your oversensitive soul, it is a serious question. :)

bandabou
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Have you joined dsander's parallel universe?
I'm not making fun of you or your oversensitive soul, it is a serious question. :)

It's that it?! All the other things I wrote, you conveniently ignore them all, huh?! :lol: What a weakling you become my friend.

You were making fun of the 'whole rankings don't matter thing'...well I explained it to you from the viewpoint of Serena. It's better to be thought of as being the best player even while not being no.1, than being rediculed for not being the best player, DESPITE being no.1. Capiche now?!

Matt01
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:45 AM
It's that it?! All the other things I wrote, you conveniently ignore them all, huh?! :lol: What a weakling you become my friend.


It is YOU who didn't bother to reply to my arguments in this thread. You also could have replied to reetard to tell him how stupid his arguments in this thread were but of course you didn't and you babbled again how great your fave is which is why I asked you that question above.

See: I'm a fan of Caro but I'm not blind and am able to see her weaknesses and that she is not the best #1 since the ranking system was invented. But if you continue to refuse to do the same regarding Serena, then there is no point to argue with you any further :shrug:


You were making fun of the 'whole rankings don't matter thing'...well I explained it to you from the viewpoint of Serena. It's better to be thought of as being the best player even while not being no.1, than being rediculed for not being the best player, DESPITE being no.1. Capiche now?!


No one except for you and some of your fanbase really think that Serena is the best player in the world.
Serena and Venus also already said that they were the best when they came on the tour as teenagers. Just because your fave says that, that doesn't that you have to absorb that crap. But of course I have seen you are totally immune to any critical thinking when it comes to your fave.

bandabou
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:07 PM
It is YOU who didn't bother to reply to my arguments in this thread. You also could have replied to reetard to tell him how stupid his arguments in this thread were but of course you didn't and you babbled again how great your fave is which is why I asked you that question above.

See: I'm a fan of Caro but I'm not blind and am able to see her weaknesses and that she is not the best #1 since the ranking system was invented. But if you continue to refuse to do the same regarding Serena, then there is no point to argue with you any further :shrug:





No one except for you and some of your fanbase really think that Serena is the best player in the world.
Serena and Venus also already said that they were the best when they came on the tour as teenagers. Just because your fave says that, that doesn't that you have to absorb that crap. But of course I have seen you are totally immune to any critical thinking when it comes to your fave.

Who's saying that Serena's the best player RIGHT now?! Not even Serena herself has made such a claim, so I don't understand where you're coming from, my friend.

The times Serena has stated that she doesn't care about the rankings, were those times where she was winning 2 majors a year and still there was somebody without any majors ranked ahead of her. She was right then when she made those claims.

If she made such a claim NOW, then it wouldn't make any sense. I can be critical, but Serena had NOTHING to do with this thread..because she was a non-factor this year. So why did you've to bring her into it? Reetard didn't talk about Serena, YOU talked about Serena.

Burisleif
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Not doubting your knowledge on climbing but you are kidding yourself if you think "only player to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without winning a major" is something Wozniacki will be proud of.

She would dearly rather win a major. It's a real blemish on an otherwise impressive record.

This takes us right back to your flawed mountain climbing analogy where you wrongly claimed insight into the aspirations of climbers, and now you're doing the same by claiming intimate insight into the aspirations and achievements and mindset of Ms Wozniacki.

From your Post I assume she contacted you right after the match to let you know her feelings on the matter? No, I didn't think so.

When you have nothing valid to say, it's better to say nothing, unless you ambition is to make yourself look like bitter reactionary a dsanders06 in public.

Sammo
Oct 29th, 2011, 11:39 PM
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Noctis
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:04 AM
We all know she shouldn't be number 1

Hurley
Oct 30th, 2011, 06:36 AM
So...we've established that the OP is WRONG. Right? Right. Just trying to make that clear.

$uricate
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:06 AM
This takes us right back to your flawed mountain climbing analogy where you wrongly claimed insight into the aspirations of climbers, and now you're doing the same by claiming intimate insight into the aspirations and achievements and mindset of Ms Wozniacki.

From your Post I assume she contacted you right after the match to let you know her feelings on the matter? No, I didn't think so.

When you have nothing valid to say, it's better to say nothing, unless you ambition is to make yourself look like bitter reactionary a dsanders06 in public.

Are you a professional mountain climber?

If not then shut up.


Assumptions are made all the time on this board.

I haven't trawled the whole thread, but I thought the mountain climbing analogy was a good one, adding together a lot of easier peaks rather than the one hard one :shrug:

terjw
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:10 PM
:lol: Matty, you know damned well what I mean. Don't play dummy. Since Juju retired seems like your ability to think retired along with her too.

The rankings don't matter..it is what it is. That's what Serena's saying: she IS the best player..wether the rankings say that or not. THAT was the point about the rankings not mattering.

You using that logic with Caro is stupid..because Caro ISN'T the best player, the rankings nonwithstanding.

To Serena and Kim - the #1 ranking is not their priority. And in any case they have been out injured for much of the year. And I can understand their attitude with their careers. But to say the rankings don't matter is wide of the mark and no way has Serena or Kim ever said that. The #1 ranking is a huge thing to other players. Young players in particular - the ranking defines who they are as a tennis player and is fundamental to what they have achieved. I can't imagine Serena having the same attitude to the #1 ranking when she was 21 as she does today.

I completely agree with the sentiments of the OP (except she isn't the only player as pointed out - Davenport 04/05). There aren't many players who have managed Y/E #1 twice and doing it twice says tons for her fight and determination. The idea you just need to play a lot of tournaments or that the other players "just don't care about it" is nosense and smacks of sour grapes. No other players says this. Serena and Kim only speak for themselves when they say that the #1 is not their priority.

Fighterpova
Oct 30th, 2011, 12:54 PM
Yeah, truly amazing, we should all bow down to her :worship:

Jimmie48
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:02 PM
We all know she shouldn't be number 1

Speak for yourself, "We" certainly don't know that :)

terjw
Oct 30th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Not doubting your knowledge on climbing but you are kidding yourself if you think "only player to achieve consecutive #1 rankings without winning a major" is something Wozniacki will be proud of.

She would dearly rather win a major. It's a real blemish on an otherwise impressive record.

She definitely wants to win a major and that was her biggest goal in 2010 and will be a goal in 2011. But the idea that she's not proud and rightly proud of her record as #1 and back to back year end #1s even if she didn't achieve her goal of winning a slam is nonsense.

Whatever level and whatever you do - winning something is immensely thrilling and something to be proud of. And I can only guess you haven't won anything in your life if you really think that not achieving every goal or something even better means you can't be thrilled and proud of achieving something very few players have ever managed.

There are blemishes - but they are goals for the future and try to improve. And perhaps she will or perhaps she won't. But they are not reasons to be down on herself for what she has achieved.

bandabou
Oct 30th, 2011, 02:20 PM
To Serena and Kim - the #1 ranking is not their priority. And in any case they have been out injured for much of the year. And I can understand their attitude with their careers. But to say the rankings don't matter is wide of the mark and no way has Serena or Kim ever said that. The #1 ranking is a huge thing to other players. Young players in particular - the ranking defines who they are as a tennis player and is fundamental to what they have achieved. I can't imagine Serena having the same attitude to the #1 ranking when she was 21 as she does today.

I completely agree with the sentiments of the OP (except she isn't the only player as pointed out - Davenport 04/05). There aren't many players who have managed Y/E #1 twice and doing it twice says tons for her fight and determination. The idea you just need to play a lot of tournaments or that the other players "just don't care about it" is nosense and smacks of sour grapes. No other players says this. Serena and Kim only speak for themselves when they say that the #1 is not their priority.

I only quoted Serena, soo..only spoke for her. ever since her comeback after the surgery, Serena hasn't really made the no.1 rank a priority..it's become all about the majors.

In fact the ranking became only a matter of honor for her in '01 when she slipped to no.10, only then it was that she openly stated that she wanted to work on her rank and the rest is history.

Burisleif
Oct 30th, 2011, 03:10 PM
Are you a professional mountain climber?

If not then shut up.


Assumptions are made all the time on this board.

I haven't trawled the whole thread, but I thought the mountain climbing analogy was a good one, adding together a lot of easier peaks rather than the one hard one :shrug:

I'm not surprised you do, which pretty much puts you in the same boat. :rolleyes:

When you have nothing valid to say, it's better to say nothing.