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Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:31 PM
I know Caroline Wozniacki fans are thrilled she finished the year at number one for the second year in a row. ON this message board Caroline fans will say she is famous maybe in Poland and Denmark but not in the United States. Most casual tennis fans don't know who Wozniacki is because she has never won a slam. However, if you read articles on the internet the media and tennis experts DO NOT respect Caroline. Caroline is a nice girl, with a good personality but she has not proven she is a champion. Her fans can list all the tier I titles she won but the slam matter the most.

Caroline is consistent at the regular WTA events BUT she's proven this year again NO SLAM FINAL appearances in two years since 2009 US OPEN. Caroline is number one because no one else has gotten the maturity to step up to the plate, have the mental toughness and win SLAMS.

Here are the number one player's results in grand slams this year.

Australian Open-semifinalist had a match point against Li Na but still lost.

French Open- Third round pathetic loss.

Wimbledon- fourth round loss.

US OPEN- Serena Williams destroyed Wozniacki in straight sets.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Wow, I think this is the first time this is being discussed here... original.

edificio
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:35 PM
I just found out that water is...wet. Shocked me.

No, seriously, the media continues to overpraise her game because they like her as a sportsperson.

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Just leave him, you know how hard is it for some casual tennis haters to digest her success.:help::o

Jane Lane
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:36 PM
And BOMBSHELL: the sky is blue.

Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:36 PM
I just found out that water is...wet. Shocked me.

No, seriously, the media continues to overpraise her game because they like her as a sportsperson.

Not really, if you read the Guardian, NY Times, LA Times, Independent, and other publications the media is also very critical of Caroline. She's a nice person but she LACKS the mental toughness to become a champion. She just just doesn't have the weapons to dominate the WTA Tour. No slam final appearances in two years says a LOT about Caroline's inability to win a slam.

Marlene
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:39 PM
Breaking News!?

Wiggly
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Wozniacki is trying to as happen as hard as Gretchen Weiners is trying to make fetch happens.
Sorry, there's too many Reginas out there.

Molok
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:48 PM
I'm not fan of Caro but I'm not basically hater of anybody on tour. Each player have different style of play, different personality, different incourt and outcourt behavior, different successand & based on this players have their fans. I'm not quite sure why those threads are so many offensive to Caro. Is that girl mistake that she earned so many points that she is n#1? Is that girl goal not to win any slam to upset everybody? What is your advice to her? If you can't win slam please stop rather winning other tournaments or playing tennis? :cool:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:49 PM
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad255/zevavavoom/shock.gif

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Woz was good in the Spring and earned the points to set her still onto No. 1. Who cares about who the media means... ;)

backhandsmash
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:06 PM
This is like the most surprising thread ever.

miffedmax
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM
http://flyghistoria.se/Images/1919-1938/gladiator_rad_pd.jpg

Because sometimes, one Gladiator is not enough.

JustPetko
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Where is BOMBSHELL (eventual SCANDALOUS)? :confused:

Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:27 PM
To be number one you've GOT to win slams! If you don't win slams then you are NOT number one. Yes, Caroline plays in a million events to get the points. But can anyone honestly say this woman is the best player on the WTA yet she loses in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon? Wozniacki's results in the slams are very poor. In my mind she's probably a number 4 to number 10 player. Caroline is top 10 but definitely not as talent as some of her peers.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:28 PM
To be number one you've GOT to win slams! If you don't win slams then you are NOT number one. Yes, Caroline plays in a million events to get the points. But can anyone honestly say this woman is the best player on the WTA yet she loses in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon? Wozniacki's results in the slams are very poor. In my mind she's probably a number 4 to number 10 player. Caroline is top 10 but definitely not as talent as some of her peers.

Jesus christ you´re pressed... relax dude.

JCTennisFan
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Eh, she has a TON of points to defend through the first 4-5 months of next year.... so I see her ranking dropping quite a bit. Taking her points from the last half of this year I wouldnt expect her to even be in the top 5. Once those points get replaced she will drop accordingly.

Cajka
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:37 PM
To be number one you've GOT to win slams! If you don't win slams then you are NOT number one. Yes, Caroline plays in a million events to get the points. But can anyone honestly say this woman is the best player on the WTA yet she loses in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon? Wozniacki's results in the slams are very poor. In my mind she's probably a number 4 to number 10 player. Caroline is top 10 but definitely not as talent as some of her peers.

Caroline is #1, but it doesn't mean that she's more talented than Kvitova. Na Li won RG, but it doesn't mean that she's a better claycourt player than Safina, JJ, Hingis etc. etc. etc. Pironkova has a good h2h against Venus, but she's not better than Venus. There are so many things you can discuss, but tennis is a sport and those things happen.

edificio
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:40 PM
Caroline is #1, but it doesn't mean that she's more talented than Kvitova. Na Li won RG, but it doesn't mean that she's a better claycourt player than Safina, JJ, Hingis etc. etc. etc. Pironkova has a good h2h against Venus, but she's not better than Venus. There are so many things you can discuss, but tennis is a sport and those things happen.

:yeah:

thrust
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:53 PM
I'm not fan of Caro but I'm not basically hater of anybody on tour. Each player have different style of play, different personality, different incourt and outcourt behavior, different successand & based on this players have their fans. I'm not quite sure why those threads are so many offensive to Caro. Is that girl mistake that she earned so many points that she is n#1? Is that girl goal not to win any slam to upset everybody? What is your advice to her? If you can't win slam please stop rather winning other tournaments or playing tennis? :cool:

Good post! Caro is doing much better than most on the WTA Tour. She is very consistant, wins tournaments, has won lots of money and is very popular. She needs to ingnore the haters and so called experts, play her best, all will be well.

justineheninfan
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:58 PM
Eh, she has a TON of points to defend through the first 4-5 months of next year.... so I see her ranking dropping quite a bit. Taking her points from the last half of this year I wouldnt expect her to even be in the top 5. Once those points get replaced she will drop accordingly.

Wozniacki has already peaked. It is only her performances in late 2010-early 2011 that have kept her at #1 (the late 2010 points are off but helped her with her cushy draws). Next year she will drop out of the top 5, quite possibly out of the top 10, and gradually fall into obscurity.

Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:02 PM
I think in the first half of 2012 Wozniacki will eventually fall off as some other players mature and take over. Wozniacki is indeed top 10 but she just doesn't got the weapons. I think Caroline is probably in terms of talent the sixth to tenth best player in the world. Wozniacki fans still make excuses why hasn't Caroline won a slam yet? People say she's young but Kvitova is around the same age she's already got a slam. So what is it? Why hasn't Caroline won a slam even though Venus, Serena, and Kim, are consistently injured. There is a void at the top of women's tennis and that's why Caroline is number one. She's a good player, she's consistent but she lacks something special about her game.

spencercarlos
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Wozniacki has already peaked. It is only her performances in late 2010-early 2011 that have kept her at #1 (the late 2010 points are off but helped her with her cushy draws). Next year she will drop out of the top 5, quite possibly out of the top 10, and gradually fall into obscurity.
She is a B version of a Coetzer with a better serve, and Coetzer played in an era of big names and players that crowded the top 10 at the time, but this is not the case today..

Players like Wozniacki are always a lock for the top ten, especially these days where the game is lacking big stars, consistent top performer players to put this pusher in her place in a regular basis.

WozTakesAll
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!

spencercarlos
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!
yeah right!
:facepalm:

Pirata.
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:24 PM
People should stop getting on Caro's ass for not winning a slam. It's not her fault she's #1 from being consistent year round but lacks the mentality to win a slam.

Maybe they should start blaming the players who have won slams (Kvitova, Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur...) for being inconsistent and not stepping up to follow their slam performances. Serena and Kim are part-timing it, if Caro is the only one who's going to step up and get the ranking, even though she doesn't have a slam, then it's not her fault, it's the fault of the other ladies to show that they didn't just fluke a slam and start coming for that #1 ranking :shrug:

Sund7101
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:26 PM
She is a B version of a Coetzer with a better serve, and Coetzer played in an era of big names and players that crowded the top 10 at the time, but this is not the case today..

Players like Wozniacki are always a lock for the top ten, especially these days where the game is lacking big stars, consistent top performer players to put this pusher in her place in a regular basis.

I really think that Coetzer could have won a slam or at the very least reached a slam final if she would have played in today's game. On another note, this could have been Elena's year to win a slam, but oh well...

I hope next year that Venus and Serena are serious about competing, Clijsters comes back to play, Kvitova and Azarenka continue to pick up steam, Li and Stosur find their form again, so that there can be a real race for the #1 ranking and to see some competitive tennis. It will make for an interesting season.

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Well, she is respected by me for sure. She is good-looking and positive and her matches often end up entertaining me! :D

Beat
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:40 PM
most original thread of the year :worship:

JCTennisFan
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:41 PM
I really think that Coetzer could have won a slam or at the very least reached a slam final if she would have played in today's game. On another note, this could have been Elena's year to win a slam, but oh well...

I hope next year that Venus and Serena are serious about competing, Clijsters comes back to play, Kvitova and Azarenka continue to pick up steam, Li and Stosur find their form again, so that there can be a real race for the #1 ranking and to see some competitive tennis. It will make for an interesting season.

They didnt call her the "giant killer" for nothing. Woz nicknames are far less flattering. Coetzer had a very good ground game... better forehand than Woz, better movement, she even hit the ball harder. She just was limited in what her small frame could do.

Mary Cherry.
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!

Tell any kid who Caroline Wozniacki is and the majority won't have a clue.


Tennis isn't as popular as some people on here like to think.

JCTennisFan
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:00 PM
Tell any kid who Caroline Wozniacki is and the majority won't have a clue.


Tennis isn't as popular as some people on here like to think.

It really depends on where you are talking about. If your talking about the Southeastern US or midwest... then yeah it isnt as popular. If you are talking about Europe its pretty popular... it really just depends. On a whole though Tennis is up there with the top sports globally. Otherwise do you think there would be tennis players making 20+ million dollars? The money follows the popularity.... you dont dump a shit load of money into a sport that no one watches.

lang26
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:01 PM
I mean You Hater really gotta outta line and control she not the first player to reach number 1 with out a Slam If I correct We have JJ & Safina & really We all should be Used to this by now. What make her any different from them beside their style in playing tennis. Ya Hater this bad Where all this When JJ & Safina was Number 1 and They Suffer the Bad Lost even at the Slams and Player under rank from them.

JCTennisFan
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Why Not Example I mean You Hater really gotta outta line and control she not the first player to reach number 1 with out a Slam If I correct We have JJ & Safina & really We all should be Used to this by now. What make her any different from them beside their style in playing tennis. Ya Hater this bad Where all this When JJ & Safina was Number 1 and They Suffer the Bad Lost even at the Slams and Player under rank from them.

I take it that English isnt your first language? :devil:

lang26
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:05 PM
People should stop getting on Caro's ass for not winning a slam. It's not her fault she's #1 from being consistent year round but lacks the mentality to win a slam.

Maybe they should start blaming the players who have won slams (Kvitova, Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur...) for being inconsistent and not stepping up to follow their slam performances. Serena and Kim are part-timing it, if Caro is the only one who's going to step up and get the ranking, even though she doesn't have a slam, then it's not her fault, it's the fault of the other ladies to show that they didn't just fluke a slam and start coming for that #1 ranking :shrug:

This

miffedmax
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:05 PM
To be number one you've GOT to win slams! If you don't win slams then you are NOT number one. Yes, Caroline plays in a million events to get the points. But can anyone honestly say this woman is the best player on the WTA yet she loses in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon? Wozniacki's results in the slams are very poor. In my mind she's probably a number 4 to number 10 player. Caroline is top 10 but definitely not as talent as some of her peers.

Well, at least you're man enough to come straight out and admit you don't understand how the rankings work.

People should stop getting on Caro's ass for not winning a slam. It's not her fault she's #1 from being consistent year round but lacks the mentality to win a slam.

Maybe they should start blaming the players who have won slams (Kvitova, Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur...) for being inconsistent and not stepping up to follow their slam performances. Serena and Kim are part-timing it, if Caro is the only one who's going to step up and get the ranking, even though she doesn't have a slam, then it's not her fault, it's the fault of the other ladies to show that they didn't just fluke a slam and start coming for that #1 ranking :shrug:

This X 10,000. A player who manages to put together a two-week run but can't handle the pressure of maintaining consistent results over a whole season isn't necessarily better than a player who plays well all season but wilts under the pressure of a few high-profile, slightly more demanding tournaments.

The bottom line is a weak era is a weak era all around, and both the #1 ranking and slam titles are not worth what they were a few years ago. (Not that I'd mind seeing Vika get either one of them).

But it's partly a matter of perspective. For all the claims around here that being #1 is a meaningless achievement, there are a lot more slam winners who have never been #1 than there are #1s who have never won slams. That's why a lot of people won't or can't get their brains around the fact our slam winners aren't realy any more impressive than our #1 is.

Lena's bangs.

Vikapower
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:13 PM
People should stop getting on Caro's ass for not winning a slam. It's not her fault she's #1 from being consistent year round but lacks the mentality to win a slam.

Maybe they should start blaming the players who have won slams (Kvitova, Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur...) for being inconsistent and not stepping up to follow their slam performances. Serena and Kim are part-timing it, if Caro is the only one who's going to step up and get the ranking, even though she doesn't have a slam, then it's not her fault, it's the fault of the other ladies to show that they didn't just fluke a slam and start coming for that #1 ranking :shrug:

No one really contradicts Caroline's #1 rank, she has played numerous amount of events and have done fairly well in them... what's mind-boggling with her though, is the amount of efforts she needs to put on the tour to have comparable stats to Maria's 14 and Petra's 19 tours played... Caro 80.51%, Petra 80.30% and Maria 78.18% - in this 80.51%, you have New-Haven no top player ever plays nowadays, Brussels the other and modern New-Haven, Copenhagen MM (without even a top 20 player, 32 ranked player was the 2nd. seed) and Bastad (1-1 W/L).

Myggen
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Wrong and contradictory post. She doesn't have the weapons to become a slam champion, that's true, but she doesn't lack the mental toughness of a slam champion. Her mental toughness is her strength, and if it wasn't for it she wouldn't even be top 20.


Not really, if you read the Guardian, NY Times, LA Times, Independent, and other publications the media is also very critical of Caroline. She's a nice person but she LACKS the mental toughness to become a champion. She just just doesn't have the weapons to dominate the WTA Tour. No slam final appearances in two years says a LOT about Caroline's inability to win a slam.

Miracle Worker
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:23 PM
YEC showed that Wozniacki doesn't have chance to win with top player in form. That's why she shines in Premiers or MM - top players usually don't care to win them with a big effort. They can win them, but they don't have to.

JCTennisFan
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Wrong and contradictory post. She doesn't have the weapons to become a slam champion, that's true, but she doesn't lack the mental toughness of a slam champion. Her mental toughness is her strength, and if it wasn't for it she wouldn't even be top 20.

If it werent for her movement, she wouldnt be in the top 20. Mental... eh thats debatable. Against the strongest minds she has a habit of crumbling... wouldnt call that a "strength".

justineheninfan
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:26 PM
She is a B version of a Coetzer with a better serve, and Coetzer played in an era of big names and players that crowded the top 10 at the time, but this is not the case today..

Players like Wozniacki are always a lock for the top ten, especially these days where the game is lacking big stars, consistent top performer players to put this pusher in her place in a regular basis.

You could be right but the thing is I see her even losing some of her consistency and desire of late. With her playing style and schedule I wouldnt be surprised if she is already getting burnt out too.

Either way if she is even ranked in the top 3 at the end of next year, or even in June of next year, I will be shocked, despite the terrible state of the WTA still. Her farcial #1 days are soon to end, probably for good.

tennisbum79
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:29 PM
You guys are on Morrissey's case for posting this thread because you did not think it is news.

However, come to think of it, your reaction reflects worse on the # 1 players than it does on Morrissey

Jane Lane
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!

Oh God you're back :facepalm:

justineheninfan
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:44 PM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!

You really are clueless. By your logic Wozniacki would be far more famous to casual tennis or sports fans or the general public than Venus or Sharapova who have never ended a year #1. However that is extremely far from the case. :lol: Davenport has ended the year #1 4 times and is nowhere near as famous to the general public as Venus or even Sharapova who never have for that matter.

If the general public were asked who Wozniacki was they would guess she is a kind of Eastern European soup or perfume probably. Only diehard tennis fans even know she exists. Who cares what they would think about her being ranked #1, nobody other than the most diehard tennis fans even knows that she is. Most people who dont follow tennis that closely probably thought Serena was still ranked #1 while she hadnt played for almost a year.

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:50 PM
You really are clueless. By your logic Wozniacki would be far more famous to casual tennis or sports fans or the general public than Venus or Sharapova who have never ended a year #1. However that is extremely far from the case. :lol: Davenport has ended the year #1 4 times and is nowhere near as famous to the general public as Venus or even Sharapova who never have for that matter.

If the general public were asked who Wozniacki was they would guess she is a kind of Eastern European soup or perfume probably. Only diehard tennis fans even know she exists. Who cares what they would think about her being ranked #1, nobody other than the most diehard tennis fans even knows that she is. Most people who dont follow tennis that closely probably thought Serena was still ranked #1 while she hadnt played for almost a year.

Whoa. :lol:

Well, thanks to Eurosport definetely the whole of Europe knows Wozniacki well. I think only us diehard tennis fans are so obsessed with talking about her though.

My roommate only used to say "there's Wozniacki. She's hot". :lol:

hablo
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Woz was good in the Spring and earned the points to set her still onto No. 1. Who cares about who the media means... ;)

Not good for her legacy unfortunately. Unless she wins a slam, she will alway have an asterisk next to her name as a #1 player. :shrug:

-Sonic-
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:57 PM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!

Kids also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Luckily very few people give a damn what some random kid thinks, as kids are stupid.

SerenaSlam
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:16 PM
I'm not a fan of CW and I do not feel like she is the best player in the world. I base things off the facts. With the WTA rankin system she is the best player to adhere to what needs to be done to be at the top. Having said that the bashing is ridiculous. I think the conversation needs to become two different scenarios. You can be number one with out a slam (based off the rankin system) and you can also be considered the best player in the world and not be number one (again based off the ranking system). Serena Kim Justine and Lindsay IMO are the last number ones to be considered both number one in the world and the best player in the world at the same time. Realize this is the state the WTA in. Several players fit the script but no one has been able to step up to the plate and have both scenarios be associated with their name.

Congrats CW and good luck in 2012

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:17 PM
She is good to watch when you need a bit of a laugh :shrug:

justineheninfan
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:21 PM
I'm not a fan of CW and I do not feel like she is the best player in the world. I base things off the facts. With the WTA rankin system she is the best player to adhere to what needs to be done to be at the top. Having said that the bashing is ridiculous. I think the conversation needs to become two different scenarios. You can be number one with out a slam (based off the rankin system) and you can also be considered the best player in the world and not be number one (again based off the ranking system). Serena Kim Justine and Lindsay IMO are the last number ones to be considered both number one in the world and the best player in the world at the same time. Realize this is the state the WTA in. Several players fit the script but no one has been able to step up to the plate and have both scenarios be associated with their name.

Congrats CW and good luck in 2012

To be honest the last time Lindsay was considered the best player in the World and ranked #1 was for a bit early 2000. Nobody really considered her the best in 2004, 2005, or early 2006, when she spent time ranked #1, so I would exclude her as well.

Clijsters held the #1 ranking only for one week while considered the best. She never got there in 2005 when some considered her the best due to her hard court dominance, and only got it briefly in early 2006 when after a poor WTA Championships and fall 2005 season, Australian Open semifinal loss, and her lack of performances already on clay and grass, she was no longer the best in anyones mind really. Before that 2003 when nobody considered her the best with Justine, Serena, and Venus kicking her ass all year in big matches. Basically her points of being #1 and being considered arguably the best havent coincided minus 1 week.

So Justine and Serena are really the only two recent players to have both been #1 and considered the best at once. I guess I would add Mauresmo while she was ranked #1 for some periods of 2006.

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:22 PM
Who cares? She´ll lose the #1 ranking early next year to either Kvitova, Sharapova or Azarenka. If it bothers you so much, you can have a three months masturbation in giddy anticipation, cause it will happen. :lol:

lang26
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:51 PM
I'm not a fan of CW and I do not feel like she is the best player in the world. I base things off the facts. With the WTA rankin system she is the best player to adhere to what needs to be done to be at the top. Having said that the bashing is ridiculous. I think the conversation needs to become two different scenarios. You can be number one with out a slam (based off the rankin system) and you can also be considered the best player in the world and not be number one (again based off the ranking system). Serena Kim Justine and Lindsay IMO are the last number ones to be considered both number one in the world and the best player in the world at the same time. Realize this is the state the WTA in. Several players fit the script but no one has been able to step up to the plate and have both scenarios be associated with their name.

Congrats CW and good luck in 2012

I Respect this Respond Not just because I Caro fan But Because You rarely she a Person On TF Whose Comments R not Bashing a Player R Showing their Hater Ways. We all as Caro Fan know she be losing the Number 1 ranking next year, But I will say if she do lose it I prefer serena to have it just do to the fact Player like Vika & Vera don't need to go through the shit Caro, JJ & Safina went through and Perta is so off & on

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:52 PM
People should stop getting on Caro's ass for not winning a slam. It's not her fault she's #1 from being consistent year round but lacks the mentality to win a slam.

Maybe they should start blaming the players who have won slams (Kvitova, Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur...) for being inconsistent and not stepping up to follow their slam performances. Serena and Kim are part-timing it, if Caro is the only one who's going to step up and get the ranking, even though she doesn't have a slam, then it's not her fault, it's the fault of the other ladies to show that they didn't just fluke a slam and start coming for that #1 ranking :shrug:

People shouldn't blame Wozniacki, but they SHOULD blame the WTA for having a system where a player can climb to #1 solely because they've played more tournaments than their nearest rivals. Wozniacki both hasn't got the highest quality titles this year, and she hasn't even been the most consistent, seeing as she's crapped out of HALF(!!) her tournaments before the QFs this year. If Kvitova wins the YEC, she'll have won two titles much bigger than Wozniacki has ever won, she'll have won the same number of titles overall as Wozniacki this year, and will have a higher match-winning % ... yet Wozniacki will still be #1. Even the WTA have probably realised by now this is unsustainable - they won't change the ranking system while Woz is still #1 because that would embarrass her personally, but as soon as she drops off, I bet they'll start making plans for a new ranking system, to ensure this terrible situation never happens again.

She is a B version of a Coetzer with a better serve, and Coetzer played in an era of big names and players that crowded the top 10 at the time, but this is not the case today..

Players like Wozniacki are always a lock for the top ten, especially these days where the game is lacking big stars, consistent top performer players to put this pusher in her place in a regular basis.

I agree with that. She probably won't plummet into obscurity, she'll probably be a mainstay in the top 10, but she's clearly missed the boat as far as winning Slams goes, and will probably never get back even to where she was in late 2010/early 2011. I expect she'll finish around #7 next year, with no significant titles, no Slam semifinals, but a few more meaningless titles in places like New Haven, Brussels and the like.

jrm
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:57 PM
it's ironic ... when she was climbing toward No1, no one was mentioning lack of power in the shots or being Labrador retriever. Once she got there, without winning a slam, bashing begun!

Trashing her means trashing WTA in general; if she is so bad what does she doing at No1 and what does that tell you about others? If she is an embarressment, what do you call all others :haha:

Rollo
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:58 PM
People shouldn't blame Wozniacki, but they SHOULD blame the WTA for having a system where a player can climb to #1 solely because they've played more tournaments than their nearest rivals.


:worship:

Irute
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:03 AM
How dared she get to#1?

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:04 AM
People shouldn't blame Wozniacki, but they SHOULD blame the WTA for having a system where a player can climb to #1 solely because they've played more tournaments than their nearest rivals. Wozniacki both hasn't got the highest quality titles this year, and she hasn't even been the most consistent, seeing as she's crapped out of HALF(!!) her tournaments before the QFs this year. If Kvitova wins the YEC, she'll have won two titles much bigger than Wozniacki has ever won, she'll have won the same number of titles overall as Wozniacki this year, and will have a higher match-winning % ... yet Wozniacki will still be #1. Even the WTA have probably realised by now this is unsustainable - they won't change the ranking system while Woz is still #1 because that would embarrass her personally, but as soon as she drops off, I bet they'll start making plans for a new ranking system, to ensure this terrible situation never happens again.


She's not the player who played the most tournaments this year. Should they also forbid BZS to play 30 tournaments? It's also not fair by your logic, there are players who played less tournament than her who are ranked lower than her. Or is it just the rule for top players?

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:09 AM
it's ironic ... when she was climbing toward No1, no one was mentioning lack of power in the shots or being Labrador retriever. Once she got there, without winning a slam, bashing begun!

Trashing her means trashing WTA in general; if she is so bad what does she doing at No1 and what does that tell you about others? If she is an embarressment, what do you call all others :haha:

So true, that's something none of the haters want to talk about. Caro had a quite horrid second half of the season, that she was still able to defend her ranking shows how much worse the others are.

I wish the haters would spend their energy on their own faves and start thinking about why they can't make anything happen. But instead of questioning their performance, they stick with the convenient excuse that Caro is the #1 because she wins tournaments like Copenhagen, completely ignoring the fact that winning a tournament like Copenhagen does jack shit for her points since she plays so much and has so many results.

SerenaSlam
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:10 AM
I Respect this Respond Not just because I Caro fan But Because You rarely she a Person On TF Whose Comments R not Bashing a Player R Showing their Hater Ways. We all as Caro Fan know she be losing the Number 1 ranking next year, But I will say if she do lose it I prefer serena to have it just do to the fact Player like Vika & Vera don't need to go through the shit Caro, JJ & Safina went through and Perta is so off & on


Usually I don't take the time to respon on here. But let me go ahead and do so accordingly. The point I was trying to make was that IMO the 4
Players I mentioned were the last number 1's that I could recall where no one bitched a fit about their right at obtaining that ranking. Since then we have CW along with the other names you mentioned before her, ranked in the position and not able to meet both standards that are clear needed accomplishment for any player to develop respect.

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:10 AM
She's not the player who played the most tournaments this year. Should they also forbid BZS to play 30 tournaments? It's also not fair by your logic, there are players who played less tournament than her who are ranked lower than her. Or is it just the rule for top players?

Obviously it's not JUST that ANYONE who plays a lot of tournaments can get to #1 - Wozniacki has lower-top 10-level talent, maybe #4/5-level talent at a push, whereas Zahlavova Strycova does not. But the current ranking system allows someone like Wozniacki to leapfrog players like Sharapova and Kvitova, who have had both the bigger results AND have been more consistent, just because she played more sub-Tier1 tournaments than them.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Wozniacki has already peaked. It is only her performances in late 2010-early 2011 that have kept her at #1 (the late 2010 points are off but helped her with her cushy draws). Next year she will drop out of the top 5, quite possibly out of the top 10, and gradually fall into obscurity.


:lol: Yeah, you and all her other haters are already praying for that I'm sure of that :lol:

I think a lot of posters will be very disappointed next year, and no it wont be the people who have congratulated Caro for finishing the season as #1 for the 2nd time in a row. :worship:

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:13 AM
:lol: Yeah, you and all her other haters are already praying for that I'm sure of that :lol:

I think a lot of posters will be very disappointed next year, and no it wont be the people who have congratulated Caro for finishing the season as #1 for the 2nd time in a row. :worship:

It's funny, these statements are so pressed, you can tell they don't even believe it themselves. But I guess it's a nice dream to cling to.... whatever helps you guys sleep.

MisterMan
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:21 AM
I don't respect players 2 - 100 because they dont have the talent/health/stamina to remove Caro after two years ahahahah !!

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:23 AM
Obviously it's not JUST that ANYONE who plays a lot of tournaments can get to #1 - Wozniacki has lower-top 10-level talent, maybe #4/5-level talent at a push, whereas Zahlavova Strycova does not. But the current ranking system allows someone like Wozniacki to leapfrog players like Sharapova and Kvitova, who have had both the bigger results AND have been more consistent, just because she played more sub-Tier1 tournaments than them.

Obviously it's not enough to play many tournaments. BZS played 30 tournaments and she's top 50, while Sandra Zahlavova played 35 and she's not even a top 150 player. But is it fair that Voskoboeva played 19 tournaments and she's ranked #57, while BZS played 30 tournaments and she's ranked #44? How 'bout that? Should they get the points only for slams? Then I guess that Na Li is a true #1. It doesn't matter that she's been in deep slump since July. Her results on the majors are a lot better than Kvitova's, let alone Sharapova's.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:23 AM
Obviously it's not JUST that ANYONE who plays a lot of tournaments can get to #1 - Wozniacki has lower-top 10-level talent, maybe #4/5-level talent at a push, whereas Zahlavova Strycova does not. But the current ranking system allows someone like Wozniacki to leapfrog players like Sharapova and Kvitova, who have had both the bigger results AND have been more consistent, just because she played more sub-Tier1 tournaments than them.


Yeah, we really need inconsistant players Kvotova at the top who lose in 1st rounds of Slams and can't even win the Challengers they enter (which they really shouldn't enter for obvious reasons but Caro of course gets bashed for playing the supposedly weak Premier events :spit:).

But I see you are very generous towards Caro here...#4/#5-level talent, actually my estimation isn't that far away :lol:

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:31 AM
I don't respect players 2 - 100 because they dont have the talent/health/stamina to remove Caro after two years ahahahah !!

It's a true. When Henin was number 1, she had like 7000 points (it's probably 14000 according to this ranking system). She was simply winning it all, she had only 4 losses that season. Since there's no such player since the end of 2007, we have this ranking list and nobody should complain. When Henin was number 1, that system (which is not very different from this one) was obviously working. Now there is no consistency among the slam winners, there's no dominant player and the consistency wins. If Petra wins YEC, she'll be close to #1 position and she will probably overtake it in few months. If it happens, it will be completely fair. But until then she must be consistent.

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:44 AM
Yeah, we really need inconsistant players Kvotova at the top who lose in 1st rounds of Slams and can't even win the Challengers they enter (which they really shouldn't enter for obvious reasons but Caro of course gets bashed for playing the supposedly weak Premier events :spit:).


She played against a solid player in that final, you know that Caro also lost to that particular player in some other (almost ITF) event. And why are you guys bashing Petra for playing in Prague. I'm not her fan at all, but I think it was a great thing that she played the challenger in Czech instead of chasing the money and ranking points. You should know why she does it 'cause Caro is doing almost the same thing. It's a great thing when the top players come to play some minor event in front of the home crowd. If Belgrade ever gets WTA event, I will be very disappointed if our girls don't come to play there.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:46 AM
Sure, it's okay for Kvitova to play in Prague, but then her fans aren't allowed to mock and criticize Caro for playing in Copenahgen either. Of course that's not what's happening, the usual double standard is in effect.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:48 AM
She played against a solid player in that final, you know that Caro also lost to that particular player in some other (almost ITF) event. And why are you guys bashing Petra for playing in Prague. I'm not her fan at all, but I think it was a great thing that she played the challenger in Czech instead of chasing the money and ranking points. You should know why she does it 'cause Caro is doing almost the same thing. It's a great thing when the top players come to play some minor event in front of the home crowd. If Belgrade ever gets WTA event, I will be very disappointed if our girls don't come to play there.


Copenhagen is at least a WTA event...Petra this year played 2 Challengers which I think is ridiculous for a top player.

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:49 AM
There wasn't even that much difference in the quality of fields in Prague and Copenhagen :lol:

Plus, McHale when she beat Wozniacki in straights had nearly the same ranking as the players who beat Petra in Challengers.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:55 AM
There wasn't even that much difference in the quality of fields in Prague and Copenhagen :lol:

Plus, McHale when she beat Wozniacki in straights had nearly the same ranking as the players who beat Petra in Challengers.


Oh my :facepalm:

In your parallel universe, I'm sure Copenhagen, Brussel, Charleston and New Haven are all Challengers.

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:58 AM
Copenhagen is at least a WTA event...Petra this year played 2 Challengers which I think is ridiculous for a top player.

Which is the second one? I don't know about that. :o And it's not important if it wasn't a WTA event. If Copenhagen wasn't in Denmark, Caro wouldn't play there, 'cause it makes no sense to play an indor hardcourt event between clay season and grass season. At least Prague is played on clay.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:04 AM
Which is the second one? I don't know about that. :o


Nassau where she lost in 1st round :oh:


And it's not important if it wasn't a WTA event. If Copenhagen wasn't in Denmark, Caro wouldn't play there, 'cause it makes no sense to play an indor hardcourt event between clay season and grass season. At least Prague is played on clay.


Great analogy :rolleyes:
And if Copenhagen was a Challenger, Caro hopefully wouldn't play there. :tape:

delicatecutter
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:06 AM
I think it was obvious to most of us that she was just an opportunistic placeholder. And her place is about to come to an end. Good riddance! :hearts:

And she hasn't played well since I'd say Indian Wells. So at her current level of play, the fall is gonna cometh and it it's gonna come hard!! :hearts:

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:06 AM
Oh my :facepalm:

In your parallel universe, I'm sure Copenhagen, Brussel, Charleston and New Haven are all Challengers.

The second seed in both Copenhagen and the Prague Challenger was the exact same player (Klara Zakopalova), and yet you want to claim there's a huge gulf between the quality of the tournaments? :happy:

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:08 AM
And if Copenhagen was a Challenger, Caro hopefully wouldn't play there. :tape:

She played a Challenger in Denmark as recently as 2008, when she was ranked #12 (pretty much the same ranking as Petra had when she played Prague) :lol:

You really need to know when to stop digging.

Morning Morgan
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:10 AM
To be honest, when did being no. 1 and winning grand slams become mutually exclusive? If you can achieve one, you should be able to achieve the other. No such player should be truly satisfied until they have both, and make the conscious and deliberate effort to do so. If both are achieved, you can rest your ass and be a permanent VIP. :oh:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:11 AM
The second seed in both Copenhagen and the Prague Challenger was the exact same player (Klara Zakopalova), and yet you want to claim there's a huge gulf between the quality of the tournaments? :happy:


I want to claim that Copenhagen is a WTA event while Nassau and Prague are Challengers. Which is pretty much a fact and not an opinion.
I did not say anything about the qulaity of the field in Copenhagen or Nassau or whatever.

But since you are always harping on Caro winning the easy tournaments: Not only did Petra play 2 Challengers this year, she also won one of the weakest Premier Events this year (Paris Indoor) which had an easier field than any of Charelston, Brussel or New Haven. But of course we won't ever hear you mentioning that or Petra's emberassing losses at the Challengers. :tape:

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:13 AM
I want to claim that Copenhagen is a WTA event while Nassau and Prague are Challengers. Which is pretty much a fact and not an opinion.
I did not say anything about the qulaity of the field in Copenhagen or Nassau or whatever.

But since you are always harping on Caro winning the easy tournaments: Not only did Petra play 2 Challengers this year, she also won one of the weakest Premier Events this year (Paris Indoor) which had an easier field than any of Charelston, Brussel or New Haven. But of course we won't ever hear you mentioning that or Petra's emberassing losses at the Challengers. :tape:

You realize she chose to play Prague out of loyalty for the people who had supported her since the juniors? And don't even get me started on the "Paris had an easier field" because that's just stupid.

delicatecutter
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:14 AM
it's ironic ... when she was climbing toward No1, no one was mentioning lack of power in the shots or being Labrador retriever. Once she got there, without winning a slam, bashing begun!

Trashing her means trashing WTA in general; if she is so bad what does she doing at No1 and what does that tell you about others? If she is an embarressment, what do you call all others :haha:

Noo, she was trashed WELL before she reached #1. I have been bashing her game since she starting pushing and vulturing her way up the rankings. Spring of 2009.

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:14 AM
I want to claim that Copenhagen is a WTA event while Nassau and Prague are Challengers. Which is pretty much a fact and not an opinion.
I did not say anything about the qulaity of the field in Copenhagen or Nassau or whatever.

But since you are always harping on Caro winning the easy tournaments: Not only did Petra play 2 Challengers this year, she also won one of the weakest Premier Events this year (Paris Indoor) which had an easier field than any of Charelston, Brussel or New Haven. But of course we won't ever hear you mentioning that or Petra's emberassing losses at the Challengers. :tape:

Except my case for Kvitova being the best player of the year isn't her success at the Paris Indoors or in Challengers, it's that she won Wimbledon and probably the YEC as well as having the highest match-winning % ... whereas your case for Woz being the #1 player of the year IS based on crappy tournaments like Charleston and the like.

And you can split hairs about Copenhagen being technically a better tournament than Prague all you want, but the fact is they both had equally weak fields and neither tournament should be taken into account when analysing a top 10 player's success in a season.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:15 AM
She played a Challenger in Denmark as recently as 2008, when she was ranked #12 (pretty much the same ranking as Petra had when she played Prague) :lol:

You really need to know when to stop digging.


I've criticized Caro's schedule often enough so no need for you to think that you are have just posted something clever or smart.
It is you who looks like a hypocrite for criticing Woz for playing New Haven and Brussel while at the same time defending Kvitova for playing Challengers.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:15 AM
You realize she chose to play Prague out of loyalty for the people who had supported her since the juniors?

And the same thing doesn't apply to Caro and Copenhagen because...?

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:18 AM
And the same thing doesn't apply to Caro and Copenhagen because...?

It's a WTA event. She could play there if she was from Zimbabwe and no one would give two shits. And they're talking about New Haven and Brussels. They're harping on the fact that it was a challenger but not that there were other circumstances.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:18 AM
And you can split hairs about Copenhagen being technically a better tournament than Prague all you want, but the fact is they both had equally weak fields and neither tournament should be taken into account when analysing a top 10 player's success in a season.

I´ve got news for you, Copenhagen is largely irrelevant for her ranking anyways but I know you don't want to hear that.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:18 AM
You realize she chose to play Prague out of loyalty for the people who had supported her since the juniors? And don't even get me started on the "Paris had an easier field" because that's just stupid.


Top players shouldn't play Challengers. Period. Not sure what there is not to understand.
And I was replying to dsanders in my post. I give Kvitova as much as credit as she deserves for winning Paris since it is a Premier Event. It is not her fault that it was one of the weakest.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:19 AM
It's a WTA event. She could play there if she was from Zimbabwe and no one would give two shits. And they're talking about New Haven and Brussels. They're harping on the fact that it was a challenger but not that there were other circumstances.

Huh? For Kvitova it's okay to play her home event because it is a challenger and Caro is mocked for being played hers because it's a WTA event? wtf? :confused:

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Huh? For Kvitova it's okay to play her home event because it is a challenger and Caro is mocked for being played hers because it's a WTA event? wtf? :confused:

I never said that. :facepalm:

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:22 AM
Nassau where she lost in 1st round :oh:

Great analogy :rolleyes:
And if Copenhagen was a Challenger, Caro hopefully wouldn't play there. :tape:

Nassau? First round? Ewww, that's ugly.

And you totally missed my point. Caro didn't play Copenhagen because it's a WTA event. Those points don't even count (or it was some other event that she played, but the points didn't count). And no need to roll your eyes, I was actually defending your fave and Kvitova also, because I think that it's a great thing that they play in front of their home crowd. :facepalm:

And I don't see why you guys fight in every thread? Your faves are young and still have a lot to prove, it's pointless to bash any of them, they both did a great job, they are 21 or something. None of their peers made some similar success to those that Caro and Petra did. :shrug: At least you can wait until their rivalry develops, now it's still early to bash any of them or to claim that one of them is a lot better than the other one.

delicatecutter
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:24 AM
The problem is some people thinking Caro and Petra are on the same level as tennis players. This will all be resolved soon enough.

sammy01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:26 AM
the ultimate respect a player gets is for winning a slam, caro hasn't done that. number ones garner a certain amount of respect but that is very easily turned into ridicule if the players results don't back up the ranking.

i think we all know where caro falls.

Jimmie48
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:26 AM
And you totally missed my point. Caro didn't play Copenhagen because it's a WTA event. Those points don't even count (or it was some other event that she played, but the points didn't count).


Nope, they did not count. That makes it so hilariously retarded that haters claim she keeps her #1 ranking by playing tournaments like Copenhagen. They don't even do anything for her ranking. But that does not fit the narrative of course..

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:27 AM
Nassau? First round? Ewww, that's ugly.

And you totally missed my point. Caro didn't play Copenhagen because it's a WTA event. Those points don't even count (or it was some other event that she played, but the points didn't count). And no need to roll your eyes, I was actually defending your fave and Kvitova also, because I think that it's a great thing that they play in front of their home crowd. :facepalm:

And I don't see why you guys fight in every thread? Your faves are young and still have a lot to prove, it's pointless to bash any of them, they both did a great job, they are 21 or something. None of their peers made some similar success to those that Caro and Petra did. :shrug: At least you can wait until their rivalry develops, now it's still early to bash any of them or to claim that one of them is a lot better than the other one.


Nice post, I take my rolling eyes back :hug:
I just think that top players should not play Challengers, that's all. I'm not bashing Kvitova (even though I'm not a fan of her game).

delicatecutter
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:28 AM
Nope, they did not count. That makes it so hilariously retarded that haters claim she keeps her #1 ranking by playing tournaments like Copenhagen. They don't even do anything for her ranking. But that does not fit the narrative of course..

It's a moot point what she did to keep her #1 ranking because she's not going to have it for much longer.

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:32 AM
To be honest, when did being no. 1 and winning grand slams become mutually exclusive? If you can achieve one, you should be able to achieve the other. No such player should be truly satisfied until they have both, and make the conscious and deliberate effort to do so. If both are achieved, you can rest your ass and be a permanent VIP. :oh:

This is so mean. :hysteric: But there was no player in the last few years who could have both (if we don't count Rena and Kim). Maybe it's VIP's curse. :sobbing:

lang26
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:34 AM
Like Really Wat the Difference from Caro being Number 1 without a Slam. and JJ & Safina Being Number 1 without a slam. This is notthin new ? Everybody should be used to this by now. I mean people didn't give Kim & Mauresmo this much hate

Jane Lane
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:37 AM
Like Really Wat the Difference from Caro being Number 1 without a Slam. and JJ & Safina Being Number 1 without a slam. This is notthin new ? Everybody should be used to this by now. I mean people didn't give Kim & Mauresmo this much hate

Kim and Mauresmo both won Slams, you can't compare. Mauresmo got back to No. 1 after she got hers. The criticism of Woz is similar to that of JJ simply because they're perceived to play the same way, even though it's inaccurate. Dinara got the most flack for everything and it was undeserved in my opinion. When you've got Serena on your ass with "Rome and Madrid" how can you win? She, out of the 3, was the most successful at the top.

lang26
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:44 AM
Kim and Mauresmo both won Slams, you can't compare. Mauresmo got back to No. 1 after she got hers. The criticism of Woz is similar to that of JJ simply because their perceived to play the same way, even though it's inaccurate. Dinara got the most flack for everything and it was undeserved in my opinion. When you've got Serena on your ass with "Rome and Madrid" how can you win? She, out of the 3, was the most successful at the top.

Understand I really Think all Criticism With Woz, Dinara, & JJ is Krazy That just How I feel people act like they retire without a slam they still active players, and even Kim & Maureso wasn't number 1 at the time when they won their first slam. Maybe it just me I don't have time to hate I wish JJ, Caro Great as well Vera and Vika & Chakvetadze 2012 and Hoping Safina come back soon. & hopefully slam come Vika, Vera, Caro JJ way for all nonsense & hate will stop

plokploky
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:51 AM
The biggest problem for me with wozniacki is that even when she has the chance for a winner, she doesn't always go for it. I love watching defenders play cause they can create brilliant rallies, and when wozniacki is on she can get a lot of balls back. But she just plays it too safe sometimes for me. And its not like she cant do it. On one of the match points vs kvitova she hit and amazing cross court backhand that looked like kvitty hit it. This is the only reason i prefer kvitty. I she can just turn aggressive at the right moments, i think she could loose a lot of haters who say her game is too boring.

Cajka
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:55 AM
Kim and Mauresmo both won Slams, you can't compare. Mauresmo got back to No. 1 after she got hers. The criticism of Woz is similar to that of JJ simply because their perceived to play the same way, even though it's inaccurate. Dinara got the most flack for everything and it was undeserved in my opinion. When you've got Serena on your ass with "Rome and Madrid" how can you win? She, out of the 3, was the most successful at the top.

I'm a big fan of the 3 "least deserving #1s in history of tennis": Ana, JJ and Dinara.
JJ got the least crap (from media and fans). Why? She was a choker, but she was able to be competitive against WS. She has had a great H2H against them (probably the best among the active players who played against them more then twice). While she was a #1, she didn't have embarrassing losses. Ana disappointed the tennis fans. She was supposed to become the next big thing (many posters on this board don't remember how powerful and great she was), but the thing that happened to her... I don't know. I've been following tennis for ages, but I've never seen a similar thing. :tape: Dinara... She had the great results while she was #1 player, but it's not the same to lose a close match against your big opponents and to lose 6:1, 6:0. Especially compared to another SF of Wimbledon played that year. After that awful result, the injuries came, she fired the coach who helped her improve a lot... awful thing. The main reason why she got more crap than the other ones is because those losses were simply terrible. She didn't have a slam, she didn't have big wins against WS on the slams and she was older than Caro is now. Caro is still too young to get the same amount of crap.

Say Hey Kid
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:12 AM
People shouldn't blame Wozniacki, but they SHOULD blame the WTA for having a system where a player can climb to #1 solely because they've played more tournaments than their nearest rivals. Wozniacki both hasn't got the highest quality titles this year, and she hasn't even been the most consistent, seeing as she's crapped out of HALF(!!) her tournaments before the QFs this year. If Kvitova wins the YEC, she'll have won two titles much bigger than Wozniacki has ever won, she'll have won the same number of titles overall as Wozniacki this year, and will have a higher match-winning % ... yet Wozniacki will still be #1. Even the WTA have probably realised by now this is unsustainable - they won't change the ranking system while Woz is still #1 because that would embarrass her personally, but as soon as she drops off, I bet they'll start making plans for a new ranking system, to ensure this terrible situation never happens again.


Superb post.

Most of the criticism Wozniacki receives comes from disgruntled writers and fans who are upset with the current ranking system where the #1 player clearly doesn't have the most impressive results when it's mattered most. Unfortunately for Wozniacki, people often times attack her, instead of directing their anger towards the current ranking system which obviously doesn't determine the best player. It isn't Wozniacki's fault she is the current #1.

Lastly, Wozniacki being constantly asked about her ranking and lack of grand slam results may have had a negative effect on her growth and performance as a player, as her form has regressed when it should be improving at her age. Just food for thought.

Hopefully Woz can win a slam in 2012 and put all this talk behind her, until then it will main a discussion point, and rightfully so.

StoneRose
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:14 AM
Caro gets a tremendous amount of criticism, mostly undeserved. 8 months ago i really thought she was stepping things up and slam was just a matter of time. Since then it's been plain bad to be honest, no progression , regression it seems.Her performance at the YEC was unconvincing again. It's a bit hard to see her getting back to where she was 8 months ago let alone see her progress further. Other players have become stronger in the meantime ;).

Nicolás89
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:22 AM
I know Caroline Wozniacki fans are thrilled she finished the year at number one for the second year in a row. ON this message board Caroline fans will say she is famous maybe in Poland and Denmark but not in the United States. Most casual tennis fans don't know who Wozniacki is because she has never won a slam. However, if you read articles on the internet the media and tennis experts DO NOT respect Caroline. Caroline is a nice girl, with a good personality but she has not proven she is a champion. Her fans can list all the tier I titles she won but the slam matter the most.

Caroline is consistent at the regular WTA events BUT she's proven this year again NO SLAM FINAL appearances in two years since 2009 US OPEN. Caroline is number one because no one else has gotten the maturity to step up to the plate, have the mental toughness and win SLAMS.

Here are the number one player's results in grand slams this year.

Australian Open-semifinalist had a match point against Li Na but still lost.

French Open- Third round pathetic loss.

Wimbledon- fourth round loss.

US OPEN- Serena Williams destroyed Wozniacki in straight sets.

OMG you're such an attention whore. :facepalm:
Who are you to adress in this manner to Caroline's fans? We're above you, show respect son.

Marlene
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:44 AM
Sports Illustrated respects her!

http://tennis.si.com/2011/10/26/wta-championships-day-2-thoughts/

Beat
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:32 AM
But the current ranking system allows someone like Wozniacki to leapfrog players like Sharapova and Kvitova, who have had both the bigger results AND have been more consistent, just because she played more sub-Tier1 tournaments than them.

i can't believe people are still insiting sharapova would be a worthier no. 1, especially after YEC! has she won a slam this year? no, she has not, and according to some people that's exactly what it takes to be a "worthy" no. 1.

Pops Maellard
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:46 AM
Former players and commies were giving her shit during this year. Everyone remembers Carillo and Navrat this year I'm sure :lol:. Davenport commented on her struggling to beat Wozniak (out of the top 100) at the FO this year and I think during her loss to Dani too. Johnny Mac made fun of her racket throw at the USO SF this year (saying she can't even throw her racket with power).

:tape:. To be honest it's getting rather embarrassing. A very awkward period in women's tennis for sure.

NeKo
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Woz was good in the Spring and earned the points to set her still onto No. 1. Who cares about who the media means... ;)

It's not about that. She is number one, that is respectable, but her playing style do not deserve respect.

Uncharted
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:25 AM
Maybe, but she still has Rory!

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:33 AM
Kim and Mauresmo both won Slams, you can't compare. Mauresmo got back to No. 1 after she got hers. The criticism of Woz is similar to that of JJ simply because they're perceived to play the same way, even though it's inaccurate. Dinara got the most flack for everything and it was undeserved in my opinion. When you've got Serena on your ass with "Rome and Madrid" how can you win? She, out of the 3, was the most successful at the top.

Exactly...Safina at least was reaching finals at majors. She at a time had F SF SF F at majors, only Serena was doing better than that. Now Caro has SF 3r 4r SF and people expect her to NOT get flack?! :lol:

King Halep
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:57 AM
No one really contradicts Caroline's #1 rank, she has played numerous amount of events and have done fairly well in them... what's mind-boggling with her though, is the amount of efforts she needs to put on the tour to have comparable stats to Maria's 14 and Petra's 19 tours played... Caro 80.51%, Petra 80.30% and Maria 78.18% - in this 80.51%, you have New-Haven no top player ever plays nowadays, Brussels the other and modern New-Haven, Copenhagen MM (without even a top 20 player, 32 ranked player was the 2nd. seed) and Bastad (1-1 W/L).

The Woz Slam :worship:

King Halep
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Tell any kid that someone is the world number one and they will be impressed.
Tell any kid that someone has won a grand slam and they will ask what a grand slam is.

YE1 is the bomb!

:hysteric: This is so true. I was trying to tell someone about Stosur and I said it was the first time in living memory that an Aussie woman had won a grand slam title. She asked "whats the grand slam?"

King Halep
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Kids also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Luckily very few people give a damn what some random kid thinks, as kids are stupid.

They need role models, like Cyndi Zimmerman

Martian Jeza
Oct 28th, 2011, 11:18 AM
The problem is that she stays way too much in her comfort zone, she never takes initiatives, she never dominates her opponents unless the player she play against is a total nobody ! In 2010 you saw from her despite not having played a GS final some improvements ! She showed at times she could be an aggressive player but unfortunately since April this year her game couldn't stop of decreasing, she's back at her 2008-2009 level : she got some serious pathetic loss as reigning n°1 and at some of her matches what it exasperated me the most : she didn't bother to put a fight ! At some matches she lost she went with the mentality " Get me out of here, pls. I'm there to get slaughtered ".

She still fails to show us that's she's a true champion, she still fails to understand why people are criticizing her so much, ... Being n°1 in the world, ok that's an achievement but that shouldn't be the end of the road but unfortunately again in her mind it's well the end of the road : she wanted to be n°1 in the world, she is n°1 but her results this season were poor or very poor for a n°1 in the world : that's what some of her blind fans don't want to see. SHe has been very happy with very little this year in general and that's not what I'm expecting and demanding from a player that tops the world ranking ! She's way too stubborn to even think to change some aspects of her game that are not working especially her horrendous forehand and her average serve ! Also her net game is bad : she should play some doubles with a very good double partner to learn how to get some net game ! Sometimes there's room to hit some winners but instead of hitting them she brings back the ball in the middle of the court !

If she doesn't want to go in a never ending slump next season, she has to change her mentality, she has to gain loads of maturity because 'till now she's acting like an immature girl, she has to get her priorities straight : it's either being completely committed to tennis or either going for the distractions and getting loads of bad results ! At my side, I know what I would chose !

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:03 PM
:tape:. To be honest it's getting rather embarrassing. A very awkward period in women's tennis for sure.

This. Even the Eurosport commentators who ladled worship onto her (I often wondered if they were told to do so such was the adulation, in particular Sam Smith) have now tempered their comments.

Morrissey
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Exactly...Safina at least was reaching finals at majors. She at a time had F SF SF F at majors, only Serena was doing better than that. Now Caro has SF 3r 4r SF and people expect her to NOT get flack?! :lol:

Exactly, Wozniacki fans think it is ACCEPTABLE for the world number one to LOSE in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon and NOT reach a slam final for TWO YEARS! CAROLINE's GAME IS NOT IMPROVING IT IS GOING DOWN!

When are Wozniacki fans going to WAKE UP the girl is JUST NOT doing well at the SLAMS that's why people are upset.

The WTA deserves some of the blame because the ranking system favours players like Caroline that compete in a million events to gain a lot of points. However, Caroline shows her REAL LEVEL of play by losing in the early rounds of slams in Paris and Wimbledon. Also, to be NUMBER ONE you've got to WIN slams. Caroline hasn't even REACHED a slam final since 2009!
What kind of a number one is that?

At least Safina was CONSISTENT reaching slam semifinals and FINALS! Dinara got a lot of flack but she is a superior number one than Caroline.

We expect more from the so called BEST player in the world NOT to do a double flop at the French and Wimbledon!

Caroline's talent I believe is between number 4 and number 10 in the world. She is top 10 BUT her talent level is NOT
that to be the best. Caroline lacks weapons a big serve, big forehand, and big shots she just doesn't got it!

t1000
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:33 PM
It's not about that. She is number one, that is respectable, but her playing style do not deserve respect.

That is just plain BS. A lot of people in all sorts of sports are fans of defensive gameplays and styles. Though offensive playstyles probably has more fans, the amount and level of skill and tactics involved in both styles are of equal measure.

A defensive gameplan is just as legit as an offensive one.

Personally i'm a fan of Caro because I find it interesting to see her defend against all sorts of attacks and offensive gameplans.

Novichok
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:37 PM
It's not about that. She is number one, that is respectable, but her playing style do not deserve respect.

If her playing style got her to number 1 then it deserves respect.

longtin23
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:47 PM
People just love to ignore Caro's good results and attitude...

longtin23
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:48 PM
To be number one you've GOT to win slams! If you don't win slams then you are NOT number one. Yes, Caroline plays in a million events to get the points. But can anyone honestly say this woman is the best player on the WTA yet she loses in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon? Wozniacki's results in the slams are very poor. In my mind she's probably a number 4 to number 10 player. Caroline is top 10 but definitely not as talent as some of her peers.

WTF... A slam is just a bigger tournament, longer history, more prize money, more points, larger trophy and nothing more... Nothing more special compared with all other tournaments

Morrissey
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:43 PM
WTF... A slam is just a bigger tournament, longer history, more prize money, more points, larger trophy and nothing more... Nothing more special compared with all other tournaments

Of course, a grand slam is a bigger tournament BUT it is the one the public and media REMEMBER. Nobody cares about Pam Shriver, Helena Sukova, or Wendy Turnbull or Mary Joe Fernnadez, the reason why is the reached slam finals BUT DID NOT WIN!

Caroline obviously is encountering a barrier she lacks the mental discipline to get over the hump and be aggressive in the slams. Caroline loses because she doesn't take a chance. Caroline's loss to Serena Williams at the US OPEN really exposed her weak game.

doujyr
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:22 PM
i'm beginning to feel sorry for woz. i don't find her style very appealing, but it is what it is, and it's not her fault it's good enough for her to be no 1.

the criticism should be leveled at the other players who play more attractive styles but who don't play often enough or consistently enough to be no1.

longtin23
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Of course, a grand slam is a bigger tournament BUT it is the one the public and media REMEMBER. Nobody cares about Pam Shriver, Helena Sukova, or Wendy Turnbull or Mary Joe Fernnadez, the reason why is the reached slam finals BUT DID NOT WIN!

Caroline obviously is encountering a barrier she lacks the mental discipline to get over the hump and be aggressive in the slams. Caroline loses because she doesn't take a chance. Caroline's loss to Serena Williams at the US OPEN really exposed her weak game.

Well, it's just four big tournaments which the foolish media just want to report, but they are just some ordinary tournaments... I mean they mean nothing special in terms of matches...

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Exactly, Wozniacki fans think it is ACCEPTABLE for the world number one to LOSE in the third round of the French and fourth round of Wimbledon and NOT reach a slam final for TWO YEARS! CAROLINE's GAME IS NOT IMPROVING IT IS GOING DOWN!

When are Wozniacki fans going to WAKE UP the girl is JUST NOT doing well at the SLAMS that's why people are upset.

The WTA deserves some of the blame because the ranking system favours players like Caroline that compete in a million events to gain a lot of points. However, Caroline shows her REAL LEVEL of play by losing in the early rounds of slams in Paris and Wimbledon. Also, to be NUMBER ONE you've got to WIN slams. Caroline hasn't even REACHED a slam final since 2009!
What kind of a number one is that?

At least Safina was CONSISTENT reaching slam semifinals and FINALS! Dinara got a lot of flack but she is a superior number one than Caroline.

We expect more from the so called BEST player in the world NOT to do a double flop at the French and Wimbledon!

Caroline's talent I believe is between number 4 and number 10 in the world. She is top 10 BUT her talent level is NOT
that to be the best. Caroline lacks weapons a big serve, big forehand, and big shots she just doesn't got it!


Yeah, Caro is a disgrace to women's tennis and should retire immediately :shrug:


































Hey, don't be so bitter that Caro finished yet another season as #1 :hug: :hug: :hug:

-Sonic-
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:33 PM
They need role models, like Cyndi Zimmerman

She should do an inspirational book.