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Dexter
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
:dog:

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Petra :cheer: Semis :hearts: She played pretty well, serve is working well the whole match, except for some. Groundstrokes are hit and miss but thank good 6/10 are hits and some of them are pretty amazing blazing returns.:worship: and stop overthinking.
Caro :hug: See you next year?:oh: Rest well.:cheer:

Adrian.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1378097_o.gif

That's it :oh: Caro, your acting is really bad :oh::bigwave:

Petra :smash::facepalm: she was playing maybe 40% not more and had no problems, but playing like she did today, Azarenka will kill her :p :oh:

Kairi
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Petra :yeah: ..Caro .................................................. ................................:unsure:

RR-87
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
kaman!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :cheer:

true champ won :hearts:

saul1333
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Good stuff :yeah:

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
NID :worship:

timafi
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
good shit barker:hatoff:

Adrian.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
No more KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMANS this year :woohoo::woohoo::cheer:

Jane Lane
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
POJD! :hearts:
Woz was actually hitting winners when desperate. If you can do it, why don't you? :facepalm:

And thus, for one fateful day, TF can rejoice together. :hearts: We can go back to hating each other's guts tomorrow.

Chakvenus
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
lol at Petra vice-gripping Woz's hand and not letting it go until she got to say what she wanted.

Marionated
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Petra played ok, not as well I'd thought she'd played here. Return was pretty bad.

Still, into the semis :banana:

faboozadoo15
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Amazing.

Wiggly
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Wozniacki's days as the #1 are numbered.

John.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Petra :cheer: Some crazy errors, but still too good. I so hope she wins this title :hearts:

Pasta-Na
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
vika vs kvitova final :oh:

misty1
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
she played okay

this was petra at like 60% though and she still man handled caroline, thats concerning

i got to admit i thought caroline would stun everyone and pull this out

BlueTrees
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
LOL at Caro pretending she's ill and that's the reason she got her butt kicked :hah: :happy:

Caro :bigwave:

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
did I heard Katrina Adams called Caro "Cara"?:scratch: :oh:

Skeptikal
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Petra :cheer:

Apoleb
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Highlight of the match: Caro playing out of her skin to avoid complete embarrassment. Flattening more shots than she probably ever did, and doing not a bad job. Well done, Caroqueen. :worship:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
good shit barker:hatoff:

http://i.imgur.com/ekBp9.png

iPatty
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z324/letstalktoys/Animated%20GIFs/demolitionmanGIF.gif

Petra didn't even play well. :lol: She's just on another level. This is what a true champion looks like.

Best single match result of the season.

Coconut91
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
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Petra :smash::facepalm: she was playing maybe 40% not more and had no problems, but playing like she did today, Azarenka will kill her :p :oh:

She will never play bad against Vika :lol:

True, Petra was barely playing 40% and still won comfortably. At least serve is ok. Onto the semis :bounce:

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
31-28 for Petra :hearts:
6-18 for Caro :oh:

Dexter
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
She has no idea what to say when interviewed :lol: Poor thing :hug:
Imagine the endorsements she would be getting if she wasn't that unfortunate looking.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Oh man, that was so heartbreaking to watch. Coming off two consecutive three-setters and being sick, she just had no energy to continue like in the first set.

Good first set, Kvitova played well and Caro did what she could to hang on. You could see how she was just running out of steam, something's wrong if Piotr even starts soft-talking her.

But even though she had nothing left she didn't give up and defended a bunch of MPs, so brave :)

No reason to criticize her for anything today. A match against a well-rested Kvitotva on her prime surface is hard to win as it is and virtually impossible when you´re low on energy to begin with.

Great job sunshine, proud of you :hug: :)

And before somebody asks, I´m not even hoping that she advances somehow. It wouldn't really be deserved and she's not fit... no use in tackling the SF ill-prepared.

New_balls_please
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:36 PM
New Balls Please likes this :D

$uricate
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:36 PM
:cheer:

The match was always on Petra's racket. Woz did what she does, though I was shocked to see her hit a return winner in that last game :eek:


lol at Petra vice-gripping Woz's hand and not letting it go until she got to say what she wanted.

Does anyone know what she said? Im intrigued. I thought it might be something about the year end number 1.

Fantasy Hero
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:36 PM
i'm so sorry for Caro, first time in my life she was empty on court both physically and mentally...still she played a decent match...i dunno what's wrong with her, playing like this yesterday Vera was just a bye...
congrats to petra, she the best player (probably ever) on that sourface and despite hating her brainless game plan and her barks, she is the only one to deserve winning this YEC

Mary Cherry.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
She has no idea what to say when interviewed :lol: Poor thing :hug:
Imagine the endorsements she would be getting if she wasn't that unfortunate looking.

Bit harsh :|

Her English could do with some improvement but other than that there's nothing wrong with her.

Noctis
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
Vera need to win to seal a.set or Radwanska in straight sets to.seal Wozniackis fate

The Daviator
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
Petra :D Only saw the second set, and she wasn't that impressive :shrug: Woz looked quite listless :hug:

HuHu
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
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http://i41.tinypic.com/wqogli.jpg

Mynarco
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
the point to save 3rd MP is the only acceptable point from caro. She is just painful to watch. Rest well

Laura_VeeFan
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
*BARK* Well done Petra :cheer: She could have played better but it was enough to beat Wozniacki. Now win the title :yeah:

Woz having 6 winners and 18 UEs :worship::lol:

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
When is Woz getting her aggressive game

Trih
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
Caro probably was tired from 2 3-set matches in a row and she just disappeared in 2nd (6 winners..), but Petra played great tennis, she's fearless and explosive. If she wins the title she deserves to be the player of the year. :)

Mixal
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:37 PM
Enjoy your flight home with Turkish, Caro.

Petra was "just" decent.

Pasta-Na
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM
caro :hug:

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM
:cheer:

The match was always on Petra's racket. Woz did what she does, though I was shocked to see her hit a return winner in that last game :eek:




Does anyone know what she said? Im intrigued. I thought it might be something about the year end number 1.

I think she asked whether Caro is still ok because she sure saw the trainers.

améliemomo
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM
well done kvitova , and thank you taking pusher n°1 out

better for the wta having this player as n°1.2012 will be very interesting for the world n°1 spot.

John.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM
She has no idea what to say when interviewed :lol: Poor thing :hug:
Imagine the endorsements she would be getting if she wasn't that unfortunate looking.

:weirdo:

danieln1
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Wozniacki's days as the #1 are numbered.

Better for her, it will be less pressure and she will be able to reach a slam final again :oh:

Adrian.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Caro played decent? :oh:
did you see the stats? :haha:
It was all about Petra :shrug::oh:

No1Curr
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:39 PM
Petra saving the tour again :dance:

World number 1 :hug: She'll always have Copenhagen :oh:

GoLdEnSeToV
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:39 PM
Petra!!!! :):)

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:39 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/wqogli.jpg

unlike Woz, Liverpool won in Istanbul :lol:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:40 PM
You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Melange again.

Fuzzylogic
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:40 PM
Ok, the RR thing confuses me, but can anyone tell me what needs to happen in Zvonareva v. Radwanska for Wozniacki to qualify?

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:40 PM
She has no idea what to say when interviewed :lol: Poor thing :hug:
Imagine the endorsements she would be getting if she wasn't that unfortunate looking.

a bit of training and she will look good saying nothing like all the others

Blu€
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:40 PM
Caro :hug:, she looked like a ghost in that 2nd set! Good to see her going for broke in the last few games.
First set was decent, both players holding serve quite easily except for the opening game where the netcord once again went against Caro.

Caro time to recharge energies :kiss:

#1Davenport
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:41 PM
I love how Kvitova is finally getting back some form. She's had a great year and adding the YEC to her title count would be amazing for her. :hearts:

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:41 PM
lol at Petra vice-gripping Woz's hand and not letting it go until she got to say what she wanted.

LOL, that was amazing

:D

Sasja
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Petra :yeah:

LCS
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:41 PM
:worship:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Ok, the RR thing confuses me, but can anyone tell me what needs to happen in Zvonareva v. Radwanska for Wozniacki to qualify?

If Zvonareva wins, she goes through. If Radwanska wins, then it gets confusing :lol:

Jane Lane
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:42 PM
lol at Petra vice-gripping Woz's hand and not letting it go until she got to say what she wanted.

It's a sign. You see it in dogs when they want to prove their dominance. ;) Petra's not stupid.

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Highlight of the match: Caro playing out of her skin to avoid complete embarrassment. Flattening more shots than she probably ever did, and doing not a bad job. Well done, Caroqueen. :worship:

is that why she keep hitting into the net :haha:

Vikapower
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:42 PM
When is Woz getting her aggressive game

To be honest there was many points in this match where Caroline was trying and successfully, she even hit a half volley FH off a Petra's laser BH return down the middle... :eek: and missing a lot too. :lol:

Well, I'm starting to feel a lot of compassion for Caroline, her game is very extremely limited and she tried to make the best out of it - she's the best Danish player ever and polish (I think) - she's won almost all tournaments out there unless majors...

From there on now she just needs to accept that the more talented girls are going to be all over her game in the future and suddenly her slam winning window shrinks every months, days, hours, minutes...

Hurley
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:43 PM
:bowdown: http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/animals/puppybark.gif

RR-87
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:43 PM
Wozniacki's days as the #1 are numbered.

not really cause there are still a lot MM tournaments to win :oh:

iPatty
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:43 PM
She has no idea what to say when interviewed :lol: Poor thing :hug:
Imagine the endorsements she would be getting if she wasn't that unfortunate looking.

Give it a rest Dex. :rolleyes:

Oh man, that was so heartbreaking to watch. Coming off two consecutive three-setters and being sick, she just had no energy to continue like in the first set.

Good first set, Kvitova played well and Caro did what she could to hang on. You could see how she was just running out of steam, something's wrong if Piotr even starts soft-talking her.

But even though she had nothing left she didn't give up and defended a bunch of MPs, so brave :)

No reason to criticize her for anything today. A match against a well-rested Kvitotva on her prime surface is hard to win as it is and virtually impossible when you´re low on energy to begin with.

Great job sunshine, proud of you :hug: :)

And before somebody asks, I´m not even hoping that she advances somehow. It wouldn't really be deserved and she's not fit... no use in tackling the SF ill-prepared.

:hah: :hah: :hah:

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:43 PM
LOL at Caro pretending she's ill and that's the reason she got her butt kicked :hah: :happy:

Caro :bigwave:

i dont blame her for feeling a bit ill tbh

twinbridge
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:43 PM
Ok, the RR thing confuses me, but can anyone tell me what needs to happen in Zvonareva v. Radwanska for Wozniacki to qualify?

Radvanska beat Bepa 2:1 in close games ratio; AND Radvanska was defeated by Kvitova 0:2 with very few games(<6).

Moveyourfeet
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:44 PM
Give it a fucking rest with the tired excuse. Caro is in exceptional shape, fitness and conditioning wise. There is literally no way she was tired. This isa girl who goes to the gym AFTER her matches. It takesa lot more than 2 3 setters to tire Caro. She just didn't have any answers today. Outplayed by a sub par Petra. Can't say I'm sorry to see her go.
Hopefully the last match closes the little window she has to still make it.

LenaDMania0003
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Congrats Petra advance to Semifinal :bounce: :woohoo:
Very "Petra-like" game. Petra overpowered Caro despite many errors.
Especially her serve was so solid that she didn't give even a break point :worship:
Last 2 games Petra seemed to be pressed, like her 1st match, but won last 2 points with clean winners.
Now I hope Petra vs Vika final, Petra's attack vs Vika's defence

Caro :hug: seemed to feel bad during this match.

Inger67
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Kvitova :worship Soon to be #1 :hearts: Feel bad for Caro though, she has been slumping so bad the last leg of the season.

goldenlox
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:46 PM
That was a decisive win. I thought at 5-4 in the first if Petra got nervous, it might be a match, but Petra was too good today.
This is the only time they met since Caro 1st took #1 in Beijing 2010. Petra was much better in this match

rnwerner
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Although Radwanska and Zvonareva are my favourites, I am really looking forward to see a final between AZARENKA and KVITOVA. Those two are by far the best players this week.

In my opinion Wozniacki was ok (of course without a real gameplan to win against Kvitova), but it was not easy to play three matches in three days.

And: WOZ is not out already.

If RADW. beats ZVONA. 2-1
If KVITOVA beats RADW. 2-0

We have
WOZ 1-2 (3-5)
RADW 1-2 (3-5)
ZVON 1-2 (3-5)

What is then?
Are the percentages of games counting?

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Give it a ducking rest with the tired excuse. CarI is in exceptional shape, fitness and conditioning wise. There is literally no way she was tired. This isa girl who goes to the gym AFTER her matches. It takesa lot more than 2 3 setters to tire Caro. She just didn't have any answers today. Outplayed by a sub par Petra. Can't say I'm sorry to see her go.
Hopefully the last match closes three little window she has to still make it.

There's no way she was tired? Are you retarded? She played two consecutive three-setters and got to bed past 1 last night.

She also cancelled her morning practice because she was heaving headaches and feeling unwell. She's no freaking robot who goes on and on, even Caro will run out of steam, especially if she's unwell.

You can tell she's not fit if she stops running down balls...that never happens normally. But i´m not surprised this isn't acknowledged here because it's more fun to pretend that Caro was at her best and still got beaten.

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:47 PM
unlike Woz, Liverpool won in Istanbul :lol:

Zing! :oh:

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:47 PM
Ok, the RR thing confuses me, but can anyone tell me what needs to happen in Zvonareva v. Radwanska for Wozniacki to qualify?

Radwanska needs to win 2-1 sets against Zvonareva and have a game differential of at least plus six (possibly seven) total games. Then Wozniacki would be ahead of Zvonareva.

Then Kvitova would have to beat Radwanska, and not drop more than two games.

So very unlikely.

Cineast
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Radvanska beat Bepa 2:1 in close games ratio; AND Radvanska was defeated by Kvitova 0:2 with very few games(<6).
I could be wrong, but I think Wonziacki is currently -7 in games, while Zvonareva is -1. So Zvonareva would have to lose in three sets AND lose at least 7 more games than she wins.

Radwanska would then have to go out and lose something on the order of 6-1 6-1.

Cleffa
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:48 PM
:hearts: OMG I was basically screaming along with Petra when she hits a winner. That's why I just loves watching her game, the sound of that racket and the motion of swing is just beautiful. And this is not even her best game she only played ok imo lol.

Now it's kind of similar to the clay period of this year in which the two hottest players prior RG are basically Petra and Vika. Gonna be great for tennis indeed with these two through.

As for Woz calling the doctor, anyone have any theories as to what happened? lol. Maybe she just wanted to have a little longer break cause seriously Petra's hitting the ball so fast and quickly her opponent has very little time to breath it's relentless but that's just my thought lol.

gorre
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:49 PM
Petra: :hearts: :smooch:

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Jane Lane
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:49 PM
Apparently, the doctors told her they didn't see anything wrong. :shrug: Do what you wish with that information.

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:49 PM
Caro :hug::unsure:

Kvitty, WD for beating another ailing opponent :rolleyes:.

flareon
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:49 PM
That come on is weird. Caro get well soon, kvitova v azarenka final :)

Aramitz_II
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Vera need to win to seal a.set or Radwanska in straight sets to.seal Wozniackis fate


I am pretty sure Woznicki's faith already are sealed

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Get well soon Caroline... although it was presumably something pretty minor seeing as her blood pressure was fine and the doctors didn't give her any medication.

Petra only playing at 70% tops, and still producing a level above anything Woz has ever produced :lol: A medium-paced hardcourt like this is probably the best chance Woz would ever have of beating her again too. 3 more to go KvittyGOAT :yeah:

So many Jimmie48 quotes I could dredge up... I don't even have the heart :sobbing:

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:50 PM
As for Woz calling the doctor, anyone have any theories as to what happened? lol. Maybe she just wanted to have a little longer break cause seriously Petra's hitting the ball so fast and quickly her opponent has very little time to breath it's relentless but that's just my thought lol.

She was complaining about feeling dizzy when looking up to do the throw, she has felt a bit unwell for the past few days already.

effedcamel
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:50 PM
There's no way she was tired? Are you retarded? She played two consecutive three-setters and got to bed past 1 last night.

She also cancelled her morning practice because she was heaving headaches and feeling unwell. She's no freaking robot who goes on and on, even Caro will run out of steam, especially if she's unwell.

You can tell she's not fit if she stops running down balls...that never happens normally. But i´m not surprised this isn't acknowledged here because it's more fun to pretend that Caro was at her best and still got beaten.

I don't think anyone's saying she's at her best, but she was a far cry from hobbling over when she started the match.

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:51 PM
I could be wrong, but I think Wonziacki is currently -7 in games, while Zvonareva is -1. So Zvonareva would have to lose in three sets AND lose at least 7 more games than she wins.

Radwanska would then have to go out and lose something on the order of 6-1 6-1.

Yeah that´s how I calculated it as well. :)

Wozniacki: 34-41 in games
Zvonareva: 22-23 in games
Radwanska: 13-17 in games

It´s very unlikely.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:52 PM
So many Jimmie48 quotes I could dredge up... I don't even have the heart :sobbing:

Which? My prediction that she will lose because she's tired? That's exactly what happened... you could at least have the decency to admit that Kvitova had a clear advantage by being fully-rested after just a 2-setter two days before.

Caro was able to hang on in the first, it was obvious that she just couldn't keep that up in the 2nd because she got weaker.

TheDream
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Get well soon Caroline... although it was presumably something pretty minor seeing as her blood pressure was fine and the doctors didn't give her any medication.

Petra only playing at 70% tops, and still producing a level above anything Woz has ever produced :lol: A medium-paced hardcourt like this is probably the best chance Woz would ever have of beating her again too. 3 more to go KvittyGOAT :yeah:

So many Jimmie48 quotes I could dredge up... I don't even have the heart :sobbing:

Kvitova is always going to be the favorite indoors. Things are completely different outdoors for Kvitova on outdoor hardcourts and her record has proved this.

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:52 PM
31-28 for Petra :hearts:
6-18 for Caro :oh:

Why exactly you have Caro in your sig, hater :confused:?

Melange
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:54 PM
Congrats Petra advance to Semifinal :bounce: :woohoo:
Very "Petra-like" game. Petra overpowered Caro despite many errors.
Especially her serve was so solid that she didn't give even a break point :worship:
Last 2 games Petra seemed to be pressed, like her 1st match, but won last 2 points with clean winners.
Now I hope Petra vs Vika final, Petra's attack vs Vika's defence

Caro :hug: seemed to feel bad during this match.

she had more winners than errors

Super Dave
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:55 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/S4jenkbdSNI/AAAAAAAAGy8/gk7pXQG3nFA/s400/Page033.jpg

TheDream
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Which? My prediction that she will lose because she's tired? That's exactly what happened... you could at least have the decency to admit that Kvitova had a clear advantage by being fully-rested after just a 2-setter two days before.

Caro was able to hang on in the first, it was obvious that she just couldn't keep that up in the 2nd because she got weaker.


Caro likely would've lost anyway. Petra's weaknesses aren't as easily exposed indoors.

Aramitz_II
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Ok, the RR thing confuses me, but can anyone tell me what needs to happen in Zvonareva v. Radwanska for Wozniacki to qualify?



I don't think it is possible, sory She is negative -1 in her Game difference.
Vera is +5 and Aga is -4. so there is no combination that makes her number two

But it may make a difference when using percentiges

misty1
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:57 PM
so if vera wins tonight but aga beats petra then what happens?

it all depends on game differential right?

i think that scenario would be more interesting

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Caro likely would've lost anyway. Petra's weaknesses aren't as easily exposed indoors.

I agree, it would have taken a well-rested and fit Caro just to have a chance against Kvitova indoors.

Meelis
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:58 PM
so if vera wins tonight but aga beats petra then what happens?

Petra and Vera would qualify with 2 wins.

Aramitz_II
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Radvanska beat Bepa 2:1 in close games ratio; AND Radvanska was defeated by Kvitova 0:2 with very few games(<6).

The Kvitova games dont matter.

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Which? My prediction that she will lose because she's tired? That's exactly what happened... you could at least have the decency to admit that Kvitova had a clear advantage by being fully-rested after just a 2-setter two days before.

No, your predictions that: (a) Kvitova would go out in the round-robin of the YEC; and (b) that "peak Wozniacki" is better than peak Kvitova off of grass.

Kvitova is always going to be the favorite indoors. Things are completely different outdoors for Kvitova on outdoor hardcourts and her record has proved this.

Kvitova's game is perfectly suited to traditional indoors courts (very quick, low-bouncing), like in Linz and Paris where she won. But the Istanbul court is so medium/slow-paced and high-bouncing that there's little difference between this and the Australian Open courts (the AO is probably a bit slower, but I would say the bounce is actually a little bit lower). If Petra can produce this form on a medium-paced hardcourt even if it's indoors, she can produce it on most outdoor hardcourts too.

misty1
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Petra and Vera would qualify with 2 wins.

oh thats right, i forgot that caroline beat aga

dont know why i forgot that

Moveyourfeet
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:02 PM
She also cancelled her morning practice because she was heaving headaches and feeling unwell.

You can tell she's not fit if she stops running down balls...that never happens normally. But i´m not surprised this isn't acknowledged here because it's more fun to pretend that Caro was at her best and still got beaten.

No one is saying she was at her best. However, I believe it was more a case of being over matched with no answers and less of fatigue that plagued Caro today. She is feeling the pressure more and more as a lackluster #1 which is making her limited game even more ineffective.

I just can't believe that a player as fit as Caro will get so tired after two 3 set matches on back to back days. It's only two extra sets more than her opponent played so what's the big deal? It's not like she's sick as the doctor took that excuse away as well and now you are trying to fall back on her conditioning which is like the only admirable thing about her game. Don't take that away from her too! :oh:

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:02 PM
No, your predictions that: (a) Kvitova would go out in the round-robin of the YEC; and (b) that "peak Wozniacki" is better than peak Kvitova off of grass.



You brought this up a bunch of times and I honestly think despite you being from the UK, I (a not native speaker) actually have to explain to you what peak means. By peak Wozniacki I mean the form she showed in late 2010, she hasn't played like that for months and let alone today.

So, just in case you´re really too dumb to understand, the match today does in no shape or form prove my statement wrong. Jesus christ, use your brain for once.

backhandsmash
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:02 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1378097_o.gif

That's it :oh: Caro, your acting is really bad :oh::bigwave:

Petra :smash::facepalm: she was playing maybe 40% not more and had no problems, but playing like she did today, Azarenka will kill her :p :oh:

Man you are begging for some badrepping. I won't fall for it though.

Aramitz_II
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Although Radwanska and Zvonareva are my favourites, I am really looking forward to see a final between AZARENKA and KVITOVA. Those two are by far the best players this week.

In my opinion Wozniacki was ok (of course without a real gameplan to win against Kvitova), but it was not easy to play three matches in three days.

And: WOZ is not out already.

If RADW. beats ZVONA. 2-1
If KVITOVA beats RADW. 2-0

We have
WOZ 1-2 (3-5)
RADW 1-2 (3-5)
ZVON 1-2 (3-5)

What is then?
Are the percentages of games counting?

The Kvitova Matc is of no importance.

But if Vere loses 1-2 with only a difference of 4 games the she goes in the semifinal

Vikapower
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:04 PM
There's no way she was tired? Are you retarded? She played two consecutive three-setters and got to bed past 1 last night.

She also cancelled her morning practice because she was heaving headaches and feeling unwell. She's no freaking robot who goes on and on, even Caro will run out of steam, especially if she's unwell.

You can tell she's not fit if she stops running down balls...that never happens normally. But i´m not surprised this isn't acknowledged here because it's more fun to pretend that Caro was at her best and still got beaten.

Petra was at her near best and that's sufficient to defeat almost anybody indoors cleanly... even if Caroline was not sick that wouldn't have changed much to the outcome of the match...

Hopefully Caroline goes well but her sickness is not an excuse to Petra's great tennis today... and it's not the first time Caroline gets outplayed lately even when she's 100% fit (Pennetta, Zvonareva, Kaia etc...) and it's certainly not the first time Petra has outplayed Caroline too. ;)

roots
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:04 PM
not really cause there are still a lot MM tournaments to win :oh:
Excuse my ignorance but what does MM tournaments mean? I've read this here and on the men's board, but for the life of me I can't make out what MM means. Thanks!

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:04 PM
I just can't believe that a player as fit as Caro will get so tired after two 3 set matches on back to back days. It's only two extra sets more than her opponent played so what's the big deal? It's not like she's sick as the doctor took that excuse away as will and ask you are trying to fall back On now i her conditioning which is like the only admirable thing about her game. Don't take that away from her too! :oh:

Yes, she is one of the most fittest players on tour. That's how you can tell something's seriously wrong if she's not making the effort to run down balls anymore.

Everybody could see it, even Kvitova asked about it.

Aramitz_II
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:04 PM
Radwanska needs to win 2-1 sets against Zvonareva and have a game differential of at least plus six (possibly seven) total games. Then Wozniacki would be ahead of Zvonareva.

Then Kvitova would have to beat Radwanska, and not drop more than two games.

So very unlikely.

The Kvitova match dont count in the tiebreak

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what does MM tournaments mean? I've read this here and on the men's board, but for the life of me I can't make out what MM means. Thanks!

Mickey Mouse...basically every tournament that Caro wins, even premiers or mandatories can temporarily fall into that category here.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Been reading some of the excuses and negative wishes here.

Do Caroline fans really believe that Kvitova can't transfer her Indoor hardcout success to outdoor hardcourts? This is not even something worth arguing.

She made the quarterfinal of the Australian Open last year. Would anyone be shocked if she went deep into that tournament or won it? I wouldn't it.

It's called IMPROVEMENT/CONFIDENCE Wozniaki fans.

Caro fans didn't even know Kvitova's indoor record this year, and were bragging that she'd beat Kvitova, till it was pointed out how well she was playing on indoor hardcourt, and when she beat Vera Z in Instanbul (who subsequently beat Caro in the same tournament), who many of them wanted her/thought she would to lose to.

I also don't by the argument of Caroline being tired, cause if she played someone else and won, we'd here how she was arguably the best conditioned WTA player (along with Stosur) on tour).

Petra's going to get better. And Caroline lost. It's not that complicated. Let's see if Caro makes it?

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Do Caroline fans really believe that Kvitova can't transfer her Indoor hardcout success to outdoor hardcourts? This is not even something worth arguing.



Yes, she relies on the surface being fast, then she's excellent. She's a regular top 10 player on slower surfaces.

Adrian.
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Do Caroline fans really believe that Kvitova can't transfer her Indoor hardcout success to outdoor hardcourts? This is not even something worth arguing.

She made the quarterfinal of the Australian Open last year. Would anyone be shocked if she went deep into that tournament or won it? I wouldn't it.

It's called IMPROVEMENT/CONFIDENCE Wozniaki fans.

Caro fans didn't even know Kvitova's indoor record this year, and were bragging that she'd beat Kvitova, till it was pointed out how well she was playing on indoor hardcourt, and when she beat Vera Z, who many of them wanted her/thought she would to lose to.

+1

Hurley
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Can you guys respond to Crazy Jimmie without quoting him? Please? :hysteric:

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Do Caroline fans really believe that Kvitova can't transfer her Indoor hardcout success to outdoor hardcourts? This is not even something worth arguing.

She made the quarterfinal of the Australian Open last year. Would anyone be shocked if she went deep into that tournament or won it? I wouldn't it.

It's called IMPROVEMENT/CONFIDENCE Wozniaki fans.

Caro fans didn't even know Kvitova's indoor record this year, and were bragging that she'd beat Kvitova, till it was pointed out how well she was playing on indoor hardcourt, and when she beat Vera Z, who many of them wanted her/thought she would to lose to.

They're constantly moving the goalposts :lol: A couple of weeks ago, all the Woztards were saying Petra was only good on grass and that Wozniacki would beat her if they met at the YEC ... now they're acting like they said Petra was a great player indoors all along :lol:

Interesting fact: if Petra wins the YEC, she will have won bigger titles than Woz on grass, clay and hardcourts.

Adrian.
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Yes, she relies on the surface being fast, then she's excellent. She's a regular top 10 player on slower surfaces.

Woz is a regular top 30 player on any surface :shrug:

QuietPlease
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Caro seems tired and slow. She's not having any fun on court. And when your game isn't on luck seem against you too, net cords, lines etc. Get some rest and get re-focused. You seem to need it. :hug:

Congrats to Petra, well done! :yeah:

Derek.
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Caro. :o

Kairi
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:10 PM
She has no idea what to say when interviewed :lol: Poor thing :hug:
Imagine the endorsements she would be getting if she wasn't that unfortunate looking.

Dude, so not cool :o :unsure:

Break My Rapture
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:11 PM
Expected.

I still hope Woz qualifies in 2nd, want Vika to get revenge on her.

Sund7101
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:14 PM
I would like to see Kvitova win this tournament and take some momentum into the Australian Open. I would like to see a match-up between her and Vika. Would be a good match.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:17 PM
Yes, she relies on the surface being fast, then she's excellent. She's a regular top 10 player on slower surfaces.

Duh!

The Istanbul Hard Court is Slow
The Australian Open Hard Court is Slow (1/4finals this yar)

She won Madrid on Clay (and she's 9-1 on clay this yr).

She went deeper in the French Open than Caro did (and lost to the eventual champion). Who did Caro lose to in the French?

Do you want more examples?

But even if I didn't have these examples, I'll just take your word (or prayer) that Petra wouldn't improve!! :lol: :confused: :rolleyes: :confused: :lol:

Why do we always need these silly debates after matches. Petra won, and Caro lost (is praying to stay alive like John Travolta and the Bee Gees).

Nuff Said!!

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:18 PM
It's not slow, Kvitova herself has said it's like Linz. At least stick to facts...

She will improve, but she'll always have the disadvantage that her best surfaces are the least-played on the tour. What's so hard to understand about that?

gulzhan
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Give it a fucking rest with the tired excuse. Caro is in exceptional shape, fitness and conditioning wise. There is literally no way she was tired. This isa girl who goes to the gym AFTER her matches. It takesa lot more than 2 3 setters to tire Caro. She just didn't have any answers today. Outplayed by a sub par Petra. Can't say I'm sorry to see her go.
Hopefully the last match closes the little window she has to still make it.

+1

Great post :yeah:

Jane Lane
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:22 PM
It's not slow, Kvitova herself has said it's like Linz. At least stick to facts...

She will improve, but she'll always have the disadvantage that her best surfaces are the least-played on the tour. What's so hard to understand about that?

Plays well indoors. Although not a surface you have to factor the condition in.
Plays well on clay.
Plays well on grass.

I rest my case.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:23 PM
It's not slow, Kvitova herself has said it's like Linz. At least stick to facts...

She will improve, but she'll always have the disadvantage that her best surfaces are the least-played on the tour. What's so hard to understand about that?

She said it's like Linz because of the lighting.

Are you an idiot?

Sam Smith said it's slow; Radwanska said it's slow, Petra's coach said it's slow, and Petra the first day she practiced on it, said it's slow.

And even if it wasn't. What does this have to do with Petra having success on clay and rebound ace (which is the surface in Instanbul and the Australian Open)?

Petra only makes that court look fast, cause she can hit through it. Wozniaki can't!!

Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:23 PM
Caro seems tired and slow. She's not having any fun on court. And when your game isn't on luck seem against you too, net cords, lines etc. Get some rest and get re-focused. You seem to need it. :hug:

Congrats to Petra, well done! :yeah:

So what if Caroline was tired that's her problem not Petra Kvitova's problem? Wozniacki not having fun on the court again, whose problem is it? Wozniacki LOST to Kvitova again because Petra is the superior player she also has a grand slam singles title and Wozniacki is SLAMLESS. I hope next year someone can knock Caroline off the top stop she is such a disgrace to women's tennis. Caroline's fans keep on saying how great she is YET she has NOT reached a slam final in over two years.

crusader2
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:24 PM
According to my calculation,

Game avarage

woz -7
zvo -1
radw -4

In order to woz qualifies semis, zvo must get at least -6 game avarage this match and lose in 3 set. If we think rad gets +6 avarage, her avarage -4 up to +2. And in order to woz qualifies, radw must lose kvitova in 2 sets and get at least -9 game avarage.

For example radw wins zvonereva 6-2 2-6 6-0 and kvitova wins radw 6-1 6-1

woz -7
zvo -7
radw -8

Ib this case, woz qualifies.

n1_and_uh_noone
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:25 PM
Duh!

The Istanbul Hard Court is Slow
The Australian Open Hard Court is Slow (1/4finals this yar)

She won Madrid on Clay (and she's 9-1 on clay this yr).

She went deeper in the French Open than Caro did (and lost to the eventual champion). Who did Caro lose to in the French?

Do you want more examples?

But even if I didn't have these examples, I'll just take your word (or prayer) that Petra wouldn't improve!! :lol: :confused: :rolleyes: :confused: :lol:

Why do we always need these silly debates after matches. Petra won, and Caro lost (is praying to stay alive like John Travolta and the Bee Gees).

Nuff Said!!

Pretty much.

TF... always bent on re-inventing the wheel at every turn. Wasn't it beaten to death that Wozniacki is worse on slower surfaces and the big-ball hitters are actually better on slightly slower ones, because of their large swings and natural power, against defensive-minded opponents who don't move that great on clay/grass?

Someone with Kvitova/Sharapova's power would not care what surface they play on if they are hitting reasonably well. Now they would be buried alive by someone with true clay-smarts (and good aggression), but not a Wozniacki, whose best efforts to be aggressive will be overwhelmed on slow surfaces.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:28 PM
It's not slow, Kvitova herself has said it's like Linz. At least stick to facts...

She will improve, but she'll always have the disadvantage that her best surfaces are the least-played on the tour. What's so hard to understand about that?

Wishful thinking!! :lol: :tape: :help: :tape: :lol:

Cajka
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Pretty much.

TF... always bent on re-inventing the wheel at every turn. Wasn't it beaten to death that Wozniacki is worse on slower surfaces and the big-ball hitters are actually better on slightly slower ones, because of their large swings and natural power, against defensive-minded opponents who don't move that great on clay/grass?

Someone with Kvitova/Sharapova's power would not care what surface they play on if they are hitting reasonably well. Now they would be buried alive by someone with true clay-smarts (and good aggression), but not a Wozniacki, whose best efforts to be aggressive will be overwhelmed on slow surfaces.

The surface advantage is overrated IMO. Djoković and Nadal won Wimbledon, after all.

Sharapowerr
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Wozniacki can't handle the power players, against someone like Radwanska she looks good, they have great rallies, but what Wozniacki doesn't have is power and a good serve and that is very important nowadays, Petra congrats.

n1_and_uh_noone
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:37 PM
The surface advantage is overrated IMO. Djoković and Nadal won Wimbledon, after all.

High-bouncing grass with 'clay' near the baseline. Both guys would be in serious trouble if the courts played super-fast, with low bounces.

edificio
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:38 PM
Should have been 6-1, 6-1. Kvitty needs to work on the UEs.

Cajka
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:48 PM
High-bouncing grass with 'clay' near the baseline. Both guys would be in serious trouble if the courts played super-fast, with low bounces.

The "clay" is not there from the first day. :lol: Hardcourts are slower now, some clay courts are faster (I think that RG was faster this year) so it's not such an important issue. There are no such court specialists as there were in the past. The clay might be the trickiest, 'cause you really have to move differently there. When it comes to hardcourt, it's not a disadvantage for anyone anymore. All the players can play on the hardcourts now. It's silly to think that Julia or Petra can't adjust their shots to hardcourt surface.

laurie
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:48 PM
She said it's like Linz because of the lighting.

Are you an idiot?

Sam Smith said it's slow; Radwanska said it's slow, Petra's coach said it's slow, and Petra the first day she practiced on it, said it's slow.

And even if it wasn't. What does this have to do with Petra having success on clay and rebound ace (which is the surface in Instanbul and the Australian Open)?

Petra only makes that court look fast, cause she can hit through it. Wozniaki can't!!

memo to Excelsior, Australia switched to plexicushion in 2008 :)

C. Drone
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Carolina wasnt really there mentally. Or even physically (but that comes from mental, in this case). Maybe she was alright just securing #1 position this week. :oh: 2010 2nd half - 2011 first half run made its toll, this second half was quite crap. Needs a big rest and has to made some changes.

Petra was quite fired up, must have read the WWW thread before match :lol: didnt drop a sweat. Should win 3rd match comfortably too. :yeah:

iPatty
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Caro :hug::unsure:

Kvitty, WD for beating another ailing opponent :rolleyes:.

:hah: :hah: :hah:

Get well soon Caroline... although it was presumably something pretty minor seeing as her blood pressure was fine and the doctors didn't give her any medication.

Petra only playing at 70% tops, and still producing a level above anything Woz has ever produced :lol: A medium-paced hardcourt like this is probably the best chance Woz would ever have of beating her again too. 3 more to go KvittyGOAT :yeah:

So many Jimmie48 quotes I could dredge up... I don't even have the heart :sobbing:

IKR. :sobbing: I just didn't feel like going through that Linz F result thread.

bandabou
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:08 PM
That h2h won't last long..

Coconut91
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Petra was very nice at the handshake, by the way. :awww:

Brena
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:22 PM
6 whole games for Woz? Petra must have underperformed heavily. :o

laurie
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:24 PM
That h2h won't last long..

Time will tell but it reminds of:

Sampras v Chang
Federer v Hewitt

In both cases, the counterpuncher had the upper hand, then once the aggressive player got it together, the counterpuncher hardly ever won another match.

Pops Maellard
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Petra GOAT :yeah:. Looks like Caro has no big title since March :awww:.

Mistress of Evil
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Karolina didn't seem fit :awww: The two marathon matches took their toll on her, I guess :hug: not that otherwise she would have won but still; GOATRA is so winning this tournament :worship:

Expected.

I still hope Woz qualifies in 2nd, want Vika to get revenge on her.

Greedy much :spit:

Setsuna.
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Petra!:(

You lost 6 GAMES to this talentless pusher! Not good but you are forgiven since you played at 40% of your potential (which is clearly enough to school a player who plays disgusting tennis like Woz). The talentless pusher got owned by the real #1 and best player in the world. Great to see.

spencercarlos
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:58 PM
This Wozniacki is so relevant at these big events. :lol:

So no grand slam finals and not even YEC SF in a year.. GOAT

effedcamel
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Time will tell but it reminds of:

Sampras v Chang
Federer v Hewitt

In both cases, the counterpuncher had the upper hand, then once the aggressive player got it together, the counterpuncher hardly ever won another match.

Caro? :scratch:

Juju Nostalgique
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:02 PM
:hah: :hah: :hah: :hah: :hah: ----> Pushniacki :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:

Grats PetroGOAT!!! :woohoo: :yeah:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:10 PM
The better and the greater player won. Fair result.

laurie
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Caro? :scratch:

Indeed, isn't she ahead so far in their matchup? But it surely won't last, I can see Woz getting some real beatings over the next few years in big matches.

FORZA SARITA
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:33 PM
she's so done :inlove: about time :inlove:
Kvitty :cheer:

Yoncé
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM
KAROLINA NUMBER ONE :rocker2:

Failing to make the YEC SF...LIKE A BOSS

Well done Petra! The better player won!

Kitten63
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Get this title,Petra :yeah:

doooma6816
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Petra!:inlove: my last hope.

Bayo
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Gal is plumb scary indoors.

Belmont Lad
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:08 PM
Well done Petra! :hearts: Bye Pushniacki, console yourself with that vase from yesterday! :lol:

pla
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Petra :bounce: My two faves won today. Please, give a set to Aga tomorrow. :angel:

Belmont Lad
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:12 PM
Petra :bounce: My two faves won today. Please, give a set to Aga tomorrow. :angel:

This. Be nice Petra!

delicatecutter
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:18 PM
So the #1 player in the world can't even make it into the SFs of the YEC? :spit: :happy:

Well done Petra! :hearts:

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:29 PM
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad151/Milot_Sheremeti/2ykjmuv.gif

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:27 PM
for the 1st time ever this last couple of weeks (YEC and linz) i have seen a kvitova who *could* be a great player. i don't think she played well in linz and save for patches in the YEC she hasn't been at her best, but she is winning. people always bemoan serena or kim for winning when not playing well because of serena's serve or kim's movement, but it is what makes them champions. they win when not playing well and bring it when they know it is needed.

caro to her credit has got the winning not playing well down to an art, but her highest level of tennis is nowhere near many other top players. kvitova had the high level of play that looks amazing, but if she can keep up winning when playing average she can truely be a great player.

for todays match kvitova concentrated on holding her serve and made a lot less silly errors on her service games than return games. if she can lock up her service games like serena does, then she can get away with not playing the best return games.

caro just is helpless to stop players like kvitova, she cant take the ball early enough, doesn't hit enough angle and worst of all cant rely on her serve to keep kvitova at bay.

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:33 PM
Hopefully Caro gets healthy soon :hug:
Good luck for another strong season in 2012 :yeah:

Very classy of Petra to ask Caro at the net if she is alright :awww:
If only her game wasn't so ugly :tape:

No1Curr
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Hopefully Caro gets healthy soon :hug:
Good luck for another strong season in 2012 :yeah:

Very classy of Petra to ask Caro at the net if she is alright :awww:
If only her game wasn't so ugly :tape:

From a Woz fan :spit:

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:45 PM
Wozniacki LOST to Kvitova again because Petra is the superior player she also has a grand slam singles title and Wozniacki is SLAMLESS. I hope next year someone can knock Caroline off the top stop she is such a disgrace to women's tennis. Caroline's fans keep on saying how great she is YET she has NOT reached a slam final in over two years.

Wozniacki can't handle the power players,


Caro still leads the H2H with Petra you clowns :rolleyes:

mac47
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:46 PM
Petra's game "ugly"? You're trolling.

iPatty
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:46 PM
From a Woz fan :spit:

+1

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder but...:tape:

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:47 PM
This Wozniacki is so relevant at these big events. :lol:

So no grand slam finals and not even YEC SF in a year.. GOAT


Actually she reached the final of the YEC less than one year ago :oh:

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:54 PM
Petra's game "ugly"? You're trolling.


It's my opinion. If you can't endure someone criticizing your fave, then put me on ignore or something :rolleyes:

The Dawntreader
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:05 PM
Wozniacki looked absolutely spent, mentally and physically. I expected her to be out-played perhaps, but competitively she was just ridiculously lifeless. I do wonder if her scheduling will take its toll in the long term.

Kvitova was flashy in some passages of play, but most of the time she was pretty average by her lofty shot-making standards. Few heaps of crappy errors thrown together, but ultimately it didn't even matter.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Hopefully Caro gets healthy soon :hug:
Good luck for another strong season in 2012 :yeah:

Very classy of Petra to ask Caro at the net if she is alright :awww:
If only her game wasn't so ugly

IRONY

You used to be a purveyor of good taste when Henin was playing. What happened?

Bronx19
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:16 PM
Petra's return game was trash and yet Caro still got owned.

Its staggering how out of control and irrelevant Caro was on the court.

The 2nd Law
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:23 PM
for the 1st time ever this last couple of weeks (YEC and linz) i have seen a kvitova who *could* be a great player. i don't think she played well in linz and save for patches in the YEC she hasn't been at her best, but she is winning. people always bemoan serena or kim for winning when not playing well because of serena's serve or kim's movement, but it is what makes them champions. they win when not playing well and bring it when they know it is needed.

caro to her credit has got the winning not playing well down to an art, but her highest level of tennis is nowhere near many other top players. kvitova had the high level of play that looks amazing, but if she can keep up winning when playing average she can truely be a great player.

for todays match kvitova concentrated on holding her serve and made a lot less silly errors on her service games than return games. if she can lock up her service games like serena does, then she can get away with not playing the best return games.

caro just is helpless to stop players like kvitova, she cant take the ball early enough, doesn't hit enough angle and worst of all cant rely on her serve to keep kvitova at bay.

A rare occasion, because I agree with you 100% :yeah:

Number 1 surely beckons next year for GOATra. I can't wait to see how she goes in Australia.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:26 PM
what does make me laugh is jo durie going on about how good and how caro brings it to the YEC :help: her record thus far in it is 6:6 won/lost.

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:33 PM
what does make me laugh is jo durie going on about how good and how caro brings it to the YEC :help: her record thus far in it is 6:6 won/lost.

And her 6 wins have come against Zvonareva(x2), Azarenka, Radwanska, Schiavone and Dementieva - 4 non-Slam winners and the least talented Slam winner ever :happy:

The Dawntreader
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:35 PM
what does make me laugh is jo durie going on about how good and how caro brings it to the YEC :help: her record thus far in it is 6:6 won/lost.

Oh everyone knows Jo Durie is off her tits most of the time. She's as about as insightful as Sarah Palin.

Belmont Lad
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:37 PM
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad151/Milot_Sheremeti/2ykjmuv.gif


:lol: :lol: :lol:

mdx
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:26 AM
for todays match kvitova concentrated on holding her serve and made a lot less silly errors on her service games than return games. if she can lock up her service games like serena does, then she can get away with not playing the best return games.

Nice insight. That's something I noticed as well. Maybe some new strategy? It surely looks like a good one.

mac47
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:35 AM
She served great -- I think some said she never faced a BP? (but I thought I remembered one saved) -- but she returned poorly. I don't think she can get away with that against Vika.

I expect she'll use this coming match against Aga to practice her returns and try to get them in shape for the semis.

sammy01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:38 AM
Nice insight. That's something I noticed as well. Maybe some new strategy? It surely looks like a good one.

it has been the 'serena' way of doing things for the last few years. if you put the effort and concentration into holding serve (and serves like serena's and kvitova's certainly help) then you can have a swing at the return games and hopefully will land enough in one of the return games to get a break.

it only backfires when you either play someone like clijsters who returns a ridiculous amount of big serves or play another player like stosur who also has a great serve so more care is needed to craft out a break of serve. those 2 players and those 2 elements are what undid serena at the last 2 us open she has played.

given those 2 (stosur and clijsters) and serena are the only players with those sorts of weapons to counter the 'hold serve at all costs swing at returns' gameplan kvitova is trying/wants to use, it should be more than enough against average servers like vera and caro, and their return games aren't anywhere near as good as clijsters.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:46 AM
She served great -- I think some said she never faced a BP? (but I thought I remembered one saved) -- but she returned poorly. I don't think she can get away with that against Vika.

I expect she'll use this coming match against Aga to practice her returns and try to get them in shape for the semis.

Very good insight.

But I would argue she was practicing her returns against Caro to.

What Petra does is, when she knows her serve is in control, she goes for it more on her returns, in preparation for the finals/semi-finals (if she makes it), where she'll be hitting em clean.

That's what she was doing. Those were practice swings today.

And she'll continue to do that and refine her serve against Radwanska for the future.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:53 AM
it only backfires when you either play someone like clijsters who returns a ridiculous amount of big serves or play another player like stosur who also has a great serve so more care is needed to craft out a break of serve. those 2 players and those 2 elements are what undid serena at the last 2 us open she has played.

Got to disagree. The statement holds more truth for the past USO, but Kim's return game was obviously not Serena's undoing in USO 09.

Back to topic.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:54 AM
it has been the 'serena' way of doing things for the last few years. if you put the effort and concentration into holding serve (and serves like serena's and kvitova's certainly help) then you can have a swing at the return games and hopefully will land enough in one of the return games to get a break.

it only backfires when you either play someone like clijsters who returns a ridiculous amount of big serves or play another player like stosur who also has a great serve so more care is needed to craft out a break of serve. those 2 players and those 2 elements are what undid serena at the last 2 us open she has played.

given those 2 (stosur and clijsters) and serena are the only players with those sorts of weapons to counter the 'hold serve at all costs swing at returns' gameplan kvitova is trying/wants to use, it should be more than enough against average servers like vera and caro, and their return games aren't anywhere near as good as clijsters.

You got it Sammy.

Petra was serving better today, and didn'feel threathened by Caro's Serve or return game, so she was taking big practice cuts on Caro's serve. You noticed how on ESPN 3 (I'm sure you watched Eurosport) that said in the first set Petra killed Caro's second serve, then in the 2nd set, She killed Caro's first serve.

That's cause she was teeing off on both. She just took turns. Lol

We'll see what happens tomorrow (Petra's approach, and if there's any fight) with Aga?

iGOAT
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:17 AM
Sunshine :bigcry:. She was obviously, even KvittyGOAT talked about noticing it during the match, so anyone who tries to deny that can shut up.

Something has been wrong with Sunshine the whole second half of the year though :sad: (besides New Haven and US Open) - she seems disinterested :o. Did anyone else notice she didn't say "come on" or throw her racquet at all in Istanbul? Something is wrong with her conditioning (maybe a lasting illness, like mono?) or with her family, which is affecting her mentally. Hopefully she can regroup during the off-season and return to show her full potential next year :).

Gdsimmons
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:38 AM
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad151/Milot_Sheremeti/2ykjmuv.gif

No you didnt!! :lol::lol:

claypova
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:29 AM
Petra :hearts: Go all the way :hearts:

Woz :spit: no slam final, not even a YEC semi :rolls: World number 1 :yeah:

It's my opinion. If you can't endure someone criticizing your fave, then put me on ignore or something :rolleyes:

:spit: says the one who cant handle anyone critisising Wozniacki's game and defends her like crazy :tape:

Apoleb
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:39 AM
I really think you guys are being way too harsh on the Princess.

If you watch closely, she avoided to do her usual pushing game by looping up shots, cause she knew her forehand will be eaten alive. Instead, she flattened her shots far more than usual, and even hit winners off some of Petra's rockets. She also served very wel and tried to be aggressive off the return. That earns her a few points in my book for trying something different, probably out of awareness that the surface is terrible for her usual lobbing game.

Of course that still meant a destruction, but it could have been a much bigger embarrassment for her.

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:46 AM
I really think you guys are being way too harsh on the Princess.

If you watch closely, she avoided to do her usual pushing game by looping up shots, cause she knew her forehand will be eaten alive. Instead, she flattened her shots far more than usual, and even hit winners off some of Petra's rockets. She also served very wel and tried to be aggressive off the return. That earns her a few points in my book for trying something different, probably out of awareness that the surface is terrible for her usual lobbing game.

Of course that still meant a destruction, but it could have been a much bigger embarrassment for her.

She hit like only 6 winners in which one of them is an overhead smash and the others mostly are lucky shots she pushed by blocking the ball back (not really hitting it).:oh: but yeah she did somehow tried different things but too bad she lacks of those skills to make it effective.:oh:

bandabou
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:51 AM
Wow..this year was total regession for Caro. NO F at the majors, doesn't survive the RR-stage at the YEC. lots, lots of questions that need to be answered next year.

metamorpha
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:39 AM
I wonder how long it will take until she's finally able to change her game radically. She needs some WEAPON and VARIETY. Otherwise she is always bound to lose when facing certain ball strikers.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:40 AM
:spit: says the one who cant handle anyone critisising Wozniacki's game and defends her like crazy :tape:


Wrong. I can handle valid criticism of Caro just fine, I've often done that myself.

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:34 AM
Actually she reached the final of the YEC less than one year ago :oh:

Let go of the past already :o:o:o

flyingmachine
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:37 AM
Oh yesssssssssssssss :devil:
Good job Kvitty. :rocker2:

Corswandt
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:47 AM
This leftist woman is good. Playing at 25% and still swats ~*Princess Karolina*~.

On with the show. No glory in squashing slamless mugs.

Corswandt
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:54 AM
And thus, for one fateful day, TF can rejoice together. :hearts: We can go back to hating each other's guts tomorrow.

:hearts:

Like the big, happy family that we are. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/love/love0028.gif

eck
Oct 28th, 2011, 02:07 PM
That first serve Wozniacki hit 0-3 30-30 in the second set was so gold.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Let go of the past already :o:o:o


Says the Sharapova (who won her last Slam almost four years ago) fan :oh: :tape:

Adrian.
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Says the Sharapova (who won her last Slam almost four years ago) fan :oh: :tape:

says the Wozniacki (who never won a slam yet and never will) fan :oh: :tape:

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:47 PM
Says the Sharapova (who won her last Slam almost four years ago) fan :oh: :tape:

I am just using your own argument against you :tape::angel:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:50 PM
I am just using your own argument against you :tape::angel:


Well, this was just stupid in this case because I was trying to correct Spencercarlos of this factual mistake. I don't need the past to let go or anything because my fave is the current #1. :wavey:

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Well, this was just stupid in this case because I was trying to correct Spencercarlos of this factual mistake. I don't need the past to let go or anything because my fave is the current #1. :wavey:


OMG. You are probably the only person in the world who is excited and overjoyed when stating that fact :tape:.

I wonder what will happen to u when Wozniacka loses her 1# spot :drool::lick: