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Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:27 PM
- Hvis Kvitova og Zvonareva vinder - så går Kvitova og Zvonareva videre. Wozniacki og Radwanska er ude.

- Hvis Kvitova og Radwanska begge vinder i to sæt - så går Kvitova og Radwanska videre, mens Wozniacki og Zvonareva er ude.

Is Aga in the SF if she wins in 2 sets today? (Also if Petra wins in 2 sets...)

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:31 PM
- Hvis Kvitova og Zvonareva vinder - så går Kvitova og Zvonareva videre. Wozniacki og Radwanska er ude.

- Hvis Kvitova og Radwanska begge vinder i to sæt - så går Kvitova og Radwanska videre, mens Wozniacki og Zvonareva er ude.

Is Aga in the SF if she wins in 2 sets today? (Also if Petra wins in 2 sets...)

You realize this is in danish, right?

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:33 PM

NeKo
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Hmm....nice language.

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:38 PM

Well the answer to that singular question is NO.

If Wozniacki loses, and Radwanska wins 2-0, she might be through. The WTA rules are not clear on that.

Say Kvitova beats Wozniacki 2-1, and Radwanska 2-0. Radwanska beats Zvonareva 2-0.

Kvitova 3-0 6-1
Wozniacki 1-2 4-5
Zvonareva 1-2 2-5

If all results matter as a tiebreaker Wozniacki advances. If only H2H between tied players matters Radwanska advances.

GoDominique
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Kvitova 3-0 6-1
Wozniacki 1-2 4-5
Zvonareva 1-2 2-5
The rules are clear on that. Wozniacki advances.

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:48 PM
The rules are clear on that. Wozniacki advances.

They put percentage sets won and percentages games won in the subsection of three way tiebreakers. That is really open to interpretation, whether this applies to the H2H three way tiebreaker or the overall group.

GoDominique
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:49 PM
:weirdo:

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Sorry it was unclear, But the question are: If both Kvitova and Aga wins today in 2 sets, they are both in the Semis?

GoDominique
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:55 PM
Yes.

shap_half
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Why would someone start a thread on GM that's not in English?

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Because here's danish posters who may know about it... ;)

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:12 PM
I hope for 3 sets Aga - Vera! ;) YE No. 1 win 1 set pls also!

Break My Rapture
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Azarenka is assured winning the White Group now, right?

What scenario would need to occur for Woz to finish 2nd in Red Group? I want another Vika/Caro match SO badly.

twinbridge
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:23 PM
Well the answer to that singular question is NO.

If Wozniacki loses, and Radwanska wins 2-0, she might be through. The WTA rules are not clear on that.

Say Kvitova beats Wozniacki 2-1, and Radwanska 2-0. Radwanska beats Zvonareva 2-0.

Kvitova 3-0 6-1
Wozniacki 1-2 4-5
Zvonareva 1-2 2-5

If all results matter as a tiebreaker Wozniacki advances. If only H2H between tied players matters Radwanska advances.

For the scenario u mentioned above,

the tournament rules states:

When 3 players ties at 1-2, the players played less matches were eliminated first, then CHECK winning percentage of sets :
for Woz it is 4/9
for Zvonereva it is 2/7

twinbridge
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:46 PM
Azarenka is assured winning the White Group now, right?

What scenario would need to occur for Woz to finish 2nd in Red Group? I want another Vika/Caro match SO badly.

for Woz, if she beat Kvitova at 2:0, that would be sufficient for her to be No 2 in RED group; if she beat Kvitova at 2:1, then Zvonareva must lose 1 set to Aga to have Woz in 2nd.

\$uricate
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:52 PM
Why would someone start a thread on GM that's not in English?

Because Woz love has taken over the board.

We must only converse in Danish, and in certain circumstances Polish, from now on :hearts:

twinbridge
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Sorry it was unclear, But the question are: If both Kvitova and Aga wins today in 2 sets, they are both in the Semis?

Woz: 3/8
Bepa: 3/8
Aga:3/7 or 4/8 or 2 win , who would advance.

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:54 PM
So far I can see they may all finish on 3-5 w/l lost sets...

Aga wins 2-1 in sets today and Kvitova wins 2-0 in sets tomorrow?

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Wozniacki is out whatever scoreline you put in

if Radwanska d. Bepa 2-0 then group SF are decided

dragonflies
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:12 PM
[quote=twinbridge;20415836]Woz: 3/8
Bepa: 3/8
Aga:3/7 or 4/8 or 2 win , who would advance.[/quote)

This group is still not settled yet.

If Vera beats Aga either 2 or 3 sets, then she will be 2nd, regardless the last match. Kvitova will be st.

If Aga beats Vera 2-0, she will be in. If Aga beats Vera 2-1, then tomorrow match will be determine who advance:

Aga beats Vera 2/0, lose to Petra 0-2-->Aga 3-4, Caro3-5, Vera 2-5---> Aga advances.
Aga beats Vera2/0, lose to Petra 1-2, ---> Aga 4-4, Caro3-5, Vera 2-5---> Aga advance.
Aga beats Vera 2/1, lose to Petra 0-2,---> Aga 3-5, Caro 3-5, Vera 3-5---> Game win/ lost ratial will be counted.
Aga beats Vera 2/1, lose to Petra 1-2----> Aga 4-5, Caro3-5, Vera 3-5---> Aga advance.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:13 PM
Wozniacki is out whatever scoreline you put in

if Radwanska d. Bepa 2-0 then group SF are decided

not true

Wozniacki would advance if Radwanska beat Zvonareva 61 46 63 and lost to Kvitova 26 16

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:29 PM
Vera 6-1...

Now Aga 7-6, 7-6, and tomorrow 1-6, 1-6 = 30-47 games.

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Vera 6-1...

Now Aga 7-6, 7-6, and tomorrow 1-6, 1-6 ?

No Aga needs to win 6-1 6-0 now, and lose 1-6 1-6 tomorrow. If Zvonareva wisn two more games, Wozniacki is eliminated.

John.
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:57 PM
No Aga needs to win 6-1 6-0 now, and lose 1-6 1-6 tomorrow. If Zvonareva wisn two more games, Wozniacki is eliminated.

So is Woz now out?

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 06:59 PM
2 games won so far, not likely she won't win more so Caro's Out. :sad:

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM
2-6, Can Aga win fset 6-0 and lose tomorrow 06 06... ;)

bobito
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM
not true

Wozniacki would advance if Radwanska beat Zvonareva 61 46 63 and lost to Kvitova 26 16

Not by my reckoning. Aga could win the final set 6-0 now and Vera would still be above Caro.

So is Woz now out?

Yes

n1_and_uh_noone
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Dear me... desperate times! Counting games now?

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Vera plays crap now......

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:16 PM
I has not count Vera's games, but a Aga win 6-1 only few games in advance for Vera...

Brena
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:17 PM
- Hvis Kvitova og Zvonareva vinder - så går Kvitova og Zvonareva videre. Wozniacki og Radwanska er ude.

- Hvis Kvitova og Radwanska begge vinder i to sæt - så går Kvitova og Radwanska videre, mens Wozniacki og Zvonareva er ude.

Pa, iskreno se nadam da će Voznijacka ispasti.
Right?

iGOAT
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Sunshine is out :bigcry:.

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:22 PM
I am not from Copenhagen don't understand that dialect... ;)

bobito
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:30 PM
I has not count Vera's games, but a Aga win 6-1 only few games in advance for Vera...

It the start of the 2nd set Vera's games won/lost was 30/30. Caro's is 34/41.

Just did a quick calculation, I think Radwanska now needs to take a set off Petra tomorrow even if she beats Vera. She cannot go through on games won/lost.

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:32 PM
SO Caro out?

bobito
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:33 PM
SO Caro out?

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:33 PM
It the start of the 2nd set Vera's games won/lost was 30/30. Caro's is 34/41.

Just did a quick calculation, I think Radwanska now needs to take a set off Petra tomorrow even if she beats Vera. She cannot go through on games won/lost.

Yes she does.

..and if you are Kvitova, I don´t think you want to have Vera in the semifinal. She played and served like piss and still broke Kvitova four times. If there is one player that seems to be able to handle Kvitovas serve it is Zvonareva.

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:34 PM
Vera will win, so it set!

gulzhan
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:36 PM

:bounce:

Bye-bye, Sunshine! :bigwave:

John.
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:37 PM

:bigwave: Caro

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:40 PM
Caro's on her way to holidays in China ;)

POS FLT NAME NAT SCORE

1 9 Rory MCILROY NIR 64 -8
2 7 Hunter MAHAN USA 65 -7
3 2 Paul CASEY ENG 67 -5

bobito
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Vera will win, so it set!

Yay!!! Back on serve. :bounce: This is the most fun I've had with mathematics since.... well ever really.

No more counting games though. Aga needs to win this and grab at least a set off Petra tomorrow.

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:51 PM
4-3 40-40 I game away the match too early.... Its Aga! :)

John.
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Can one of you clever mathematician's tell me who leads the race to get the other SF position? Vera or Aga?

rnwerner
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:27 PM
Here are the results:

VERA has 35-37 games
WOZ has 34-41 games

So, Vera is definitely BETTER than Woz.

AGA has 27-30 games.
If AGA loses in two sets: Her games percentage is worse than VERAs.

I think:

IF RADWANSKA LOSES 0-2: VERA is IN THE SEMIS

killerqueen
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:31 PM
If Radwanska wins tomorrow, she goes straight through.
If Radwanska loses in three sets, she still goes through as she'd have 4 sets to Wozniacki and Zvonareva's 3 sets.
If Radwanska loses in straights, she's eliminated and Zvonareva goes through, as she has a better win/lose game ratio.

Oct 27th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Can one of you clever mathematician's tell me who leads the race to get the other SF position? Vera or Aga?

Vera is 35-37 in games.
Aga is 27-30 in games.

If Aga loses in two sets tomorrow she's out.
If Aga wins at least one set, then Vera's out.

Petra is safe, and Caro is out no matter what.

Geertvg
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:33 PM
So Caro is out? :D

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:33 PM
If Radwanska wins tomorrow, she goes straight through.
If Radwanska loses in two sets, she still goes through as she'd have 4 sets to Wozniacki and Zvonareva's 3 sets.
If Radwanska loses in straights, she's eliminated and Zvonareva goes through, as she has a better win/lose game ratio.

you mean 3

John.
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM
Thanks guys :yeah:

Oct 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM
If Radwanska wins tomorrow, she goes straight through.
If Radwanska loses in two sets, she still goes through as she'd have 4 sets to Wozniacki and Zvonareva's 3 sets.
If Radwanska loses in straights, she's eliminated and Zvonareva goes through, as she has a better win/lose game ratio.

I'm sure you meant 3 sets.

Geertvg
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM
Yeah thanks for clearing this up. Happy with this :)

heart
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:35 PM
that one game in the second set was stolen from vera! she couldve at least went down 3-6. didnt know it was that crucial! pls win in straights petra!!

moby
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:35 PM
Radwanska can finish anywhere from 1st to last in her group, depending on the Petra match.

If she wins her match, she lands in first place.
Wins a set, second place.
Loses in 2 tight sets, third place.
Gets whipped, last place.

All very likely options. Who knows which Petra shows up? She is already through.

killerqueen
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:36 PM
you mean 3

Oops yes, typo, I'll fix that to avoid even more confusion! :D

Noctis
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Vera is out no.matter.what says WTA

Aga needy.to.win or get a.set tommorow

Currently getting at Games.Wozniacki 41.46% Radwanska 45%

Edit Wozniacki is out yay instead

killerqueen
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:38 PM
Vera is out no.matter.what says WTA

Aga needy.to.win or get a.set tommorow

Currently getting at Games.Wozniacki 41.46% Radwanska 45%

That makes no sense though, as Zvonareva's game record is just under 49% :confused: (35-37)

bobito
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:40 PM
And if Radwanska wins the match she also wins the Group

(Memo to Sam Smith who said that Kvitova has guaranteed the Group)

No, this was the one thing Sam Smith and Simon Reed got right. If Radwanska wins 2-1 then it will be as follows

Kvitova - 2 wins and 5/2 on sets
Radwanska - 2 wins and 5/4 on sets

If Radwanska wins 2-0 then Kvitova would be 4/2 and Radwanska 5/3. Not sure if 4/2 (66.7%) is considered better than 5/3 (62.5%) but if it comes down to games then Kvitova is currently 24/12 and Radwanska is 27/30. In that case Radwanska would have to thrash Kvitova to top the group.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:41 PM
WTA dont know what they are talking about

Noctis
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Aga is at 45% Vera slightly better at 47.29%
Wta messed.up, I calculated and Wozniacki is out no matter what
I am going to calculate.how.many games if possible for Aga to win

moby
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:42 PM
No, this was the one thing Sam Smith and Simon Reed got right. If Radwanska wins 2-1 then it will be as follows

Kvitova - 2 wins and 5/2 on sets
Radwanska - 2 wins and 5/4 on sets

If Radwanska wins 2-0 then Kvitova would be 4/2 and Radwanska 5/3. It would then come down to games. Kvitova is currently 24/12 and Radwanska is 27/30. Radwanska would have to win something like 6-2 6-2 or 6-3 6-1 to top the group.

A two way tie is resolved by H2H.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:42 PM
No, this was the one thing Sam Smith and Simon Reed got right. If Radwanska wins 2-1 then it will be as follows

Kvitova - 2 wins and 5/2 on sets
Radwanska - 2 wins and 5/4 on sets

If Radwanska wins 2-0 then Kvitova would be 4/2 and Radwanska 5/3. It would then come down to games. Kvitova is currently 24/12 and Radwanska is 27/30. Radwanska would have to win something like 6-2 6-2 or 6-3 6-1 to top the group.

Wrong
if 2 players are level then its H2H

edificio
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Someone needs to contact WTA and explain their own system to them. This reminds me of that one year that Venus got through with a losing record.

bobito
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:47 PM
A two way tie is resolved by H2H.

Cheers.

Academic anyway. Aga isn't going to beat Kvitova.

Shinjiro
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Red Group turns out to be the interesting one it seems. :lol:

Noctis
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:49 PM
Aga had to win a set or.she's.out

gulzhan
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:50 PM
I think I want Kvitova to lose a set to Radwanska tomorrow :tape:

Just remembered about Fed Cup final next week :rocker2:

I never counted much on Zvonareva to play well in FedCup but if she loses her spot in semi because Kvitova tanks a set tomorrow :drool: she might get so angry :hearts: that she may be willing to take a revenge over Kvitova :devil:

So, go Radwanska! :p As long as Wozniacki is out, I don't care. It'll be Kvitova vs Azarenka final anyway :woohoo:

Domo19
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:53 PM
So what can I say Petra be nice and tommorow loose 1 set :P

delicatecutter
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:57 PM
So bascially Aga needs to win a set so the WTA doesn't try to put Caro in the semis?

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:59 PM
So bascially Aga needs to win a set so the WTA doesn't try to put Caro in the semis?

LOL. Probably. :lol::lol:

Noctis
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:59 PM
Wozniacki is Out no matter.what

Vera's.games percentage is better.at 47.% comapare to Agas 45

Had to win a.set which seemingly.impossible, :o

Gdsimmons
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:00 PM
So if Kvitova wipes the floor with Radwanska ( which is highly likely ) Wozniacki still makes it?

novichok
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:00 PM

Geertvg
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:02 PM
So if Kvitova wipes the floor with Radwanska ( which is highly likely ) Wozniacki still makes it?

No. Zvonareva does.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:03 PM
WTA are following African Nations Cup rules :spit:

pwayne
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Wozniacki is getting a plane ticket on Turkish Airlines out of Istanbul.

n1_and_uh_noone
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Wait... so the WTA has made an error which completely eliminates Zvonareva no matter what, and could take Woz through if Kvitty mauls Rad? :haha:

Are those match notes official?

Chiquitita.
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Location: in Cloud Cuckoo Land

the WTA has joined you

Oct 27th, 2011, 09:12 PM
If radwanska wins kvitova, radwanska will be a group leader. If Kvitova wins in 3 sets, kvitova(group leader) and radwanska will be in semis. If kvitova wins in 2 sets, kvitova(group leader) and zvo will be in semis.

Patrick345
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Wait... so the WTA has made an error which completely eliminates Zvonareva no matter what, and could take Woz through if Kvitty mauls Rad? :haha:

Are those match notes official?

If they try to push Wozniacki through, Wladimir Putin will be informed, and we´ll watch WWIII break loose. There is no way the WTA can get away with this.

Geertvg
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:17 PM
No. Seriously. How will WTA justify Zvonareva being out?

Jorn
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:18 PM
The loser of the Radwanska vs. Zvonareva match will be eliminated from the Championships

lol Understandble that the danish TV news don't know when the WTAs don't know :o

Monzanator
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Total percentage of games won/lost from all three matches will count and Radwanska cannot overtake Zvonareva even if she loses 67 67 to Kvitova. Hence she must win a set. Wozniacki is definitely out.