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Melly Flew Us
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:02 PM
i can't understand it - why did you do it?

this place used to be heaving, now it's as dead as my nanny and granddad :(

*JR*
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:14 PM
i can't understand it - why did you do it?

this place used to be heaving, now it's as dead as my nanny and granddad :(

I thought so too when they originally did it (nearly 2 years ago?) but then just filed NT as my bookmark to log on (http://www.tennisforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13) and just use the Page Up key (or Top in the lower right of a page) and then click on TennisForum.com (http://www.tennisforum.com/index.php) to go to the regular home page. Works fine, if more ppl did that it would increase NT traffic a lot. :shrug:

Adal
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:20 PM
Yeah it happened quite some time ago and no one liked it.
Non-Tennis is where it all happens.

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:40 PM
Agree. And it has destroyed the really great thread where we post who has Good Repped. It used to be heaving and now is only used by a handful of posters. I am always dishing Good Rep out but given it now goes into the ether it makes me wonder if it's worth bothering. Very sad.

Kworb
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:13 PM
TF could be so much more amazing if the mods and admins put some effort into improving the site.

Dani12
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:18 PM
People are honestly deterred by a link moving 10 inches south? That's a little sad..

pov
Oct 28th, 2011, 03:48 PM
It definitely had an effect. That said, it's a tennis forum so the move makes sense. People whose main interest is other than tennis have many sites available to them.

~CANUCK~
Oct 28th, 2011, 04:57 PM
TF could be so much more amazing if the mods and admins put some effort into improving the site.

This made me laugh, you honestly think we had any say in this change? The people who own this site made the change even though the mods/admins were against it.

I guess it didn't help that the TF's non-tennis sections were becoming bigger than the actual tennis related topics here. The point of this forum is tennis, not everything else besides tennis.

The owners wanted to bring people to this forum who wanted to talk about tennis, and not be scared off by seeing NT topics right at the top of the forum.

pov
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:33 PM
The point of this forum is tennis, not everything else besides tennis.


:yeah:

adam_ads_n
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:41 PM
Agreed!

I used to visit non-tennis million times a day... now I visit it once in 2-3 days only :(

Kworb
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:21 PM
This made me laugh, you honestly think we had any say in this change? The people who own this site made the change even though the mods/admins were against it.

I guess it didn't help that the TF's non-tennis sections were becoming bigger than the actual tennis related topics here. The point of this forum is tennis, not everything else besides tennis.

The owners wanted to bring people to this forum who wanted to talk about tennis, and not be scared off by seeing NT topics right at the top of the forum.
Oh I didn't know you guys have no say at all. The owners probably don't know that serious tennis discussion is the last thing that takes place here on TF. :lol:

Certinfy
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Wait, why was it moved on here and not MTF then? Both websites are owned by the same people, right?

mckyle.
Oct 28th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Wait, why was it moved on here and not MTF then? Both websites are owned by the same people, right?

The WTA has always been on our asses for being too controversial and shocking. As you can tell from their official website, they like to be very PC and family-friendly. The liberal politics and general craziness of non-tennis is probably extremely off-putting to them. The WTA has a lot of say on this board. They're the whole reason we had to change the name in the first place. I guess the ATP doesn't really give a shit what MTF does since it's not that popular, but TF is much more popular and the WTA wants us to play by their rules.

~CANUCK~
Oct 28th, 2011, 10:56 PM
Wait, why was it moved on here and not MTF then? Both websites are owned by the same people, right?

No idea, they didn't even tell us that they made the change in the first place. We only found out when people started to complain that NT was moved. We thought there was an error until we were told other wise.

Also MTF and TF are not the same forum, and just because something happens to one doesn't mean it will happen to the other. We are the bigger board, with more members/visitors, so I could only assume that NT here was more of a problem then MTF.

*JR*
Oct 29th, 2011, 12:43 AM
The WTA has always been on our asses for being too controversial and shocking. As you can tell from their official website, they like to be very PC and family-friendly. The liberal politics and general craziness of non-tennis is probably extremely off-putting to them. The WTA has a lot of say on this board. They're the whole reason we had to change the name in the first place. I guess the ATP doesn't really give a shit what MTF does since it's not that popular, but TF is much more popular and the WTA wants us to play by their rules.

As stated above ITT, I rather quickly came up with my own "work around" (bookmarking http://www.tennisforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13 for NT, then just using Page Up and clicking TennisForum.com for the homepage; often returning later to NT via my bookmark, so its not a problem. :shrug:

But I want to address what you said about WTA influence and/or pressure. In terms of the renaming, WTA World was arguably violating their trademark, as the WTA in that obviously didn't mean World Telecommunications Assn or something. But they have absolutely no right now to influence the content. Womens tennis is a generic thing, not their fucking property! (Or the ITF's etc).

Sometime read the stories on http://www.nfl.com, where their writers themselves rip teams, coaches, and players. Whereas former WTA CEO Larry Scott's name was affixed to a terribly condescending email to the tennis writers community that I saw a copy of, offering to "help" :rolleyes: them say "Sony Ericsson WTA" in their stories.

I presume "more than a few" in effect replied to him and his media flack (Andrew Walker) that if he wanted them to mention the title sponsors' name all the time, just fucking request that they do (and of course "compliance" is voluntary, though he could have them stonewalled @ post match press conferences). But do not talk to them like they fucking work for either the WTA or for Sony-Ericsson, Larry. :spit:

duhcity
Oct 29th, 2011, 01:05 AM
This is a tennis forum? What?

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:37 AM
Some posters like Piya live in the NT section :devil:.

delicatecutter
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:49 AM
Some posters like Piya live in the NT section :devil:.

Me too! I miss the heyday of NT. :sobbing:

At the same time, there aren't many trolls in NT like there are in GM. Not sure it's worth the trade-off though.

WowWow
Oct 29th, 2011, 02:54 AM
In all fairness, NT offers much better quality discussions than GM where it all boils down to who's wearing what atrocity, which shoes "need to go", and "my fav shits all over your fav" topics.

Sally Struthers
Oct 29th, 2011, 03:32 AM
It seems to me that the idea that this place should be primarily a tennis forum is a bit misguided. If non-tennis used to be so popular and was getting more views than GM, what's the big deal as long as people visit the forum and click on ads. :shrug:

Ellen Dawson
Oct 29th, 2011, 05:00 AM
The Survivor topic would be the main reason I come to NT but I actually discuss the show more on active boards and on Facebook. I think it's quiet here because people know that they can get into it more on other sites. It's nothing against NT but once you realize how low key it is, you know you're better off going elsewhere to talk about pop culture, etc.

King Halep
Oct 30th, 2011, 10:57 PM
This made me laugh, you honestly think we had any say in this change? The people who own this site made the change even though the mods/admins were against it.

I guess it didn't help that the TF's non-tennis sections were becoming bigger than the actual tennis related topics here. The point of this forum is tennis, not everything else besides tennis.

The owners wanted to bring people to this forum who wanted to talk about tennis, and not be scared off by seeing NT topics right at the top of the forum.

thats just freaking stupid. people dont just talk about one subject, unless they are like the people who only post on politics and never on tennis. one would think the owners have heard about synergy, but maybe not because its not tennis related.

King Halep
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:03 PM
The Survivor topic would be the main reason I come to NT but I actually discuss the show more on active boards and on Facebook. I think it's quiet here because people know that they can get into it more on other sites. It's nothing against NT but once you realize how low key it is, you know you're better off going elsewhere to talk about pop culture, etc.

No actually it does quite well for an all-purpose sports forum

Ellen Dawson
Oct 30th, 2011, 11:39 PM
No actually it does quite well for an all-purpose sports forum

If you're talking about how active NT is THESE days, I disagree. There's not a lot of movement of threads and not many new ones are started (and they usually fade away with a few replies). Besides if NT was doing "quite well", then this thread would never have been created. :angel:

King Halep
Oct 31st, 2011, 07:31 AM
Its stupid and pathetic for a website to be trying to make themselves less popular and discouraging people from posting. They must be happy with what they achieved.

Kart
Oct 31st, 2011, 01:07 PM
This is the price you pay for free access to a large forum.

Non-tennis could have stayed where it was but you would have been aggressively restricted with regard to content.

Ellen Dawson
Nov 1st, 2011, 08:05 AM
Its stupid and pathetic for a website to be trying to make themselves less popular and discouraging people from posting. They must be happy with what they achieved.

I totally get your disappointment but 1) you're acting (no offense) like TF owes us something and 2) why not blame the members for not increasing the traffic to NT? The link just moved down the page. I can't believe that people who truly love NT would simply stop posting on it because NT is no longer under GM.

This is the price you pay for free access to a large forum.

Non-tennis could have stayed where it was but you would have been aggressively restricted with regard to content.

There you go. If you move it back up to below GM and throw in a disclaimer of what NT posters can and cannot, then people will be upset about that. :banghead:

(To no one in particular) Is it a sense of entitlement? :scratch:

Wigglytuff
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:19 PM
This made me laugh, you honestly think we had any say in this change? The people who own this site made the change even though the mods/admins were against it.

I guess it didn't help that the TF's non-tennis sections were becoming bigger than the actual tennis related topics here. The point of this forum is tennis, not everything else besides tennis.

The owners wanted to bring people to this forum who wanted to talk about tennis, and not be scared off by seeing NT topics right at the top of the forum.

And that is why the change was made. Money. The owners were afraid that the topics on tap would annoy or offend advertises. Nothing else.

Wigglytuff
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:21 PM
I totally get your disappointment but 1) you're acting (no offense) like TF owes us something and 2) why not blame the members for not increasing the traffic to NT? The link just moved down the page. I can't believe that people who truly love NT would simply stop posting on it because NT is no longer under GM.



There you go. If you move it back up to below GM and throw in a disclaimer of what NT posters can and cannot, then people will be upset about that. :banghead:

(To no one in particular) Is it a sense of entitlement? :scratch:

Umm it's not about us or any sense of entitlement or anything like that, it's about the money. It usually is. But in this case we are lucky because we were told it's about the money.

ico4498
Nov 1st, 2011, 03:53 PM
And that is why the change was made. Money. The owners were afraid that the topics on tap would annoy or offend advertises. Nothing else.

makes sense. if part of your revenue is from ads you'd want high traffic ... unless the topics scare sponsors away.

King Halep
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:30 AM
I totally get your disappointment but 1) you're acting (no offense) like TF owes us something and 2) why not blame the members for not increasing the traffic to NT? The link just moved down the page. I can't believe that people who truly love NT would simply stop posting on it because NT is no longer under GM.



There you go. If you move it back up to below GM and throw in a disclaimer of what NT posters can and cannot, then people will be upset about that. :banghead:

(To no one in particular) Is it a sense of entitlement? :scratch:

It has nothing to do with what I want from the forum. I am talking in terms of what the forum operators should be looking for. For free forums, the main priority is usually traffic and visitors. The more traffic you get, the better it is for selling to sponsors. Its the same with Woz, the more ranking points and weeks at no.1 she gets, the more sponsors come.


Wiggly has explained it that its about giving more priority to sponsors, so they replaced NT with Tennis Equipment. If they move and change NT in such a way that noticeably reduces the posting and traffic to the site, then it hinders their trying to get sponsors. Tennis Equipment section is really getting a ton of interest, no?

This thing about the link just moved down the page, it does not affect active posters but it does affect casual visitors and new visitors :yeah:

Throw in a disclaimer of what NT posters can and cannot post is just pissing off loyal members, and I cant see how that is ultimately in the forum's economic interest, unless Fox media wants to sign a huge sponsorship deal and requests that all liberal minded content be banned.

skanky~skanketta
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:13 AM
I wonder if my 15,000th post will be posted in NT or GM...hmmm!

King Halep
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:40 AM
This made me laugh, you honestly think we had any say in this change? The people who own this site made the change even though the mods/admins were against it.

I guess it didn't help that the TF's non-tennis sections were becoming bigger than the actual tennis related topics here. The point of this forum is tennis, not everything else besides tennis.

The owners wanted to bring people to this forum who wanted to talk about tennis, and not be scared off by seeing NT topics right at the top of the forum.

Like as if visitors would not be scared off by seeing the hot mess that passes for tennis debate in GM. :no:

Ryan
Nov 2nd, 2011, 10:48 AM
Maybe the owners were hoping you'd all visit here less and develop real social lives. :oh:

~CANUCK~
Nov 2nd, 2011, 07:45 PM
Maybe the owners mod team were hoping you'd all visit here less and develop real social lives. :oh:

All fixed ;)

Ryan
Nov 3rd, 2011, 01:56 AM
All fixed ;)



Much better now dude. :cool:

Ellen Dawson
Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:21 AM
Umm it's not about us or any sense of entitlement or anything like that, it's about the money. It usually is. But in this case we are lucky because we were told it's about the money.

Kewl. Thanks for quickly and succinctly bringing me up to speed. :yeah:

Throw in a disclaimer of what NT posters can and cannot post is just pissing off loyal members, and I cant see how that is ultimately in the forum's economic interest, unless Fox media wants to sign a huge sponsorship deal and requests that all liberal minded content be banned.

Again, not trying to put you on trial but saying "pissing off loyal members" makes it sound like TF owes "loyal members" something (it suggests that we're paying to post on this board). I'm all for online fun (Facebook & Twitter :hearts: ) but I've always been of the don't-bite-the-hand-that-feeds mentality. Doesn't mean that there aren't valid complaints about TF (I get that) but they do need to generate/sustain revenue to keep the site going...

Maybe the owners were hoping you'd all visit here less and develop real social lives. :oh:

Now that's just mean. Didn't you get the memo? An iphone/crackberry/laptop IS a real social life. Duh. Where you been? :p

WowWow
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Maybe the owners were hoping you'd all visit here less and develop real social lives. :oh:

Who made you a moderator?

Talula
Nov 4th, 2011, 12:37 AM
Agree. And it has destroyed the really great thread where we post who has Good Repped. It used to be heaving and now is only used by a handful of posters. I am always dishing Good Rep out but given it now goes into the ether it makes me wonder if it's worth bothering. Very sad.

Yes, it's tragic what's happened to that thread. I actually think people don't even look at their rep anymore and know I've given them good rep!

delicatecutter
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:18 AM
Yes, it's tragic what's happened to that thread. I actually think people don't even look at their rep anymore and know I've given them good rep!

I look at my User Rep all the time so I know when I've been good repped almost instantly. :sobbing: I never needed that thread to tell me and I imagine most people are the same.

Ryan
Nov 4th, 2011, 02:41 AM
Who made you a moderator?


:weirdo: People who don't think that this board needs to be taken as seriously as heart surgery, clearly. Relax.

WowWow
Nov 4th, 2011, 03:10 AM
:weirdo: People who don't think that this board needs to be taken as seriously as heart surgery, clearly. Relax.

tut tut...I'm not sure who exactly should relax here:lol:

Kart
Nov 9th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Who made you a moderator?

I did.

Bluish
Nov 9th, 2011, 10:53 AM
Maybe the owners were hoping you'd all visit here less and develop real social lives. :oh:

:spit:

Mistress of Evil
Nov 9th, 2011, 12:12 PM
I did.

http://i.imgur.com/VVstF.gif

Ryan is like the 2nd best Mod around, so good for you :yeah: