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SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:16 PM
here are the things that need to happen for our Princess Karolina NOT to finish as WTA #1:

Karolina lose to Vera
Karolina lose to Petra
Karolina does not advance to YEC SF
Maria PUMMELS Vika in straight sets barely losing any games
Na defeats Vika in straight sets, not giving Vika many games
Na defeats Sam in straight sets, not giving Sam many games
Maria, Vika and Sam all finish 1-2 in White Group and Maria advances based on GAME DIFFERENTIAL
Maria goes on to win the YEC

even a Maria fan realizes that this is not going to happen :facepalm:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O_XyyrtA9Mg/TaBmhbH514I/AAAAAAAATJw/M9laIyB5oDQ/s400/Caroline-Wozniacki-hot.jpg

so let's take this moment to take our hats off :hatoff: to the best player on the SEWTA tour for the 2nd year in a row, winner of SIX TITLES (five at the Premier level), global ambassador for Turkish Airlines, leader of the Polish Brigade Princess Karolina :worship: :worship: :worship:

Pasta-Na
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:17 PM
congratulations, caro's dance.

dsanders06
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:18 PM
Wasn't this already confirmed yesterday? :confused: I thought Woz winning one match and Maria losing one match was enough to clinch it.

Anyway, another nail in the coffin for the ranking system's credibility. :lol: Few will question Kvitova as the real #1 of the year if she takes the YEC.

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Time to celebrate I guess. Good times for the WTA. :)

shap_half
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Wasn't this already confirmed yesterday? :confused: I thought Woz winning one match and Maria losing one match was enough to clinch it.

Anyway, another nail in the coffin for the ranking system's credibility. :lol: Few will question Kvitova as the real #1 of the year if she takes the YEC.

I wish you would stop speaking on the topic. No amount of mindless whining is going to change anything.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Wasn't this already confirmed yesterday? :confused: I thought Woz winning one match and Maria losing one match was enough to clinch it.

Anyway, another nail in the coffin for the ranking system's credibility. :lol: Few will question Kvitova as the real #1 of the year if she takes the YEC.

no it was not confirmed yesterday ... if Maria beat Na, she still had a good chance of finishing #1 :p

SUPER
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Anyway, another nail in the coffin for the ranking system's credibility. :lol: Few will question Kvitova as the real #1 of the year if she takes the YEC.

żWhat has Kvitova achieved to be the real #1? The #1 is suposed to be someone like serena, justine, lindsay... all capable of sustaining a high standard of play during the whole season, not just 3 tournaments. For me, there is no #1 this terrible season:o

Spring Pools
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:26 PM
żWhat has Kvitova achieved to be the real #1? The #1 is suposed to be someone like serena, justine, lindsay... all capable of sustaining a high standard of play during the whole season, not just 3 tournaments. For me, there is no #1 this terrible season:o

Well that would make Kvitova have six tournaments won in the year with a GS, YEC, PM, Premier and two MM's. Not bad

fouc
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:26 PM
Time to celebrate I guess. Good times for the WTA. :)

True, just look how well she's playing now to justify it :hearts:

Jorn
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Even with only 0.01% chance Masha can still be No. 1, I won't celebrate anything yet... ;)

But it looks like a loss vs Bepa.....

ViceUltramontain
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Time to celebrate I guess. Good times for the WTA. :)

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltoipt0vEw1qd5vzro1_500.gif

Sombrerero loco
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:39 PM
yeah :woohoo:

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:40 PM
True, just look how well she's playing now to justify it :hearts:


Yeah I agree, her match against Aga yesterday was a great match :yeah:

gulzhan
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Now just lose to both Vera and Petra and be done with the season :ras:

guichard
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:54 PM
Even with only 0.01% chance Masha can still be No. 1, I won't celebrate anything yet... ;)

But it looks like a loss vs Bepa.....
it is official now, Maria is officially out

Broseghini
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:55 PM
Maria withdraws :shrug:

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Maria withdraws :shrug:

:eek:

source :confused:

Broseghini
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:58 PM
:eek:

source :confused:
twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/SI_BTBaseline) :unsure:

ViceUltramontain
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:59 PM
So we will have a Retirement Queen Battle between Vika and Marion :hearts:

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:00 PM
So we will have a Retirement Queen Battle between Vika and Marion :hearts:

probably :lol:

but it is possible someone else withdraws Thursday and Marion will be called up to replace them 1st :tape:

Jorn
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Congrats Caro! :) 3 millions US $ and 1 mill in bonus! :)

marineblue
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:04 PM
This to clarify things a bit:
http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20111025/how-can-wozniacki-clinch-year-end-no1_2256076_2492987

Daniel
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Well done Caro, another year ending as the best player in the world :worship:

ViceUltramontain
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:06 PM
Well done Caro, another year ending as the best ranked player in the world :worship:

Fixed

pesto
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:08 PM
They also just mentioned that Maria has pulled out on Eurosport. So congrats to Caro.

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Nice, a bit hard to celebrate right now with the matching going like it is right now.

Still, well deserved :)

marineblue
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Well done Caro, another year ending as the best player in the world :worship:

Indeed.:D

MaBaker
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:28 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=446477&highlight=

How many threads do you need about Caroline being no.1? Do piss off already.

Miracle Worker
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Amazing :woohoo:

Another year with slamless #1, who sucks since Wimbledon :rocker:

Jorn
Oct 26th, 2011, 09:00 PM
We can just wait for the new pics... :)

http://www.tina-pisnik.net/carono1-3.png
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http://www.tina-pisnik.net/carowtano1-5.jpg

Jorn
Oct 26th, 2011, 09:01 PM
and a new avatar... ;)

bobito
Oct 26th, 2011, 09:01 PM
so let's take this moment to take our hats off :hatoff: to the best player on the SEWTA tour for the 2nd year in a row, winner of SIX TITLES (five at the Premier level), global ambassador for Turkish Airlines, leader of the Polish Brigade Princess Karolina :worship: :worship: :worship:

If Kvitova wins this tournament she will have the same number of tournament wins and a better win/loss percentage than Wozniacki. And of course she'll be Wimbledon champion.

Sure Wozniacki may top the rankings but, since they were designed as an entry system not a league table, so what?

marineblue
Oct 26th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Oh the rankings are wrong again :rolleyes:
Same old, same old:help::lol:

HowardH
Oct 26th, 2011, 09:29 PM
I always wondered what would happen if tennis used something similar to the ELO rating system for Chess or Go. I'd love to see some numbers for that. You would have to add some rules that forced players to play a certain amount e.g. their ranking slowly going down if they were inactive, apart from possible protected ranking scenarios.

It wouldn't be feasible as an entry ranking system for tennis, I think, but there's a person who runs a website called Yokozuna tennis, who uses the Sumo ratings to grade the players into categories via their accomplishments. It's quite interesting as well as surprisingly accurate, although there will always be disagreements. For instance, Federer and Nadal have the highest status (Great grand champion) due to all their accomplishments, the kind of status Sampras, Laver, Borg, Rosewall got. Djokovic is one step down, but has ascended to a very high rank (Grand champion).

On the other hand, Caro is only a Junior champion by those rankings, and not even the highest junior champion rank. She's below the other Junior champions Li Na, Stosur, Kvitova, Zvonareva. None of the women on tour are currently any higher than the lowest Senior rank (Sharapova, Champion rank, same as Andy Murray this year. She was only one match away from reaching Grand Champion rank at one point). Most are in the Junior champion ranks. Only Serena (Great grand champion), Kim (Grand Champion), Venus (inactive grand champion rank) are in the upper echelons of the ranking system.

Anyway, I think something similar to Elo might be nice. But you would also have to think carefully about how to make sure fields were strong enough at various tournaments. Definitely would require a lot of careful planning. Basically, it would also mean that prizemoney and rankings would become more separate entities. If a tournament had high prizemoney but didn't have a strong field, the winner's ranking would not go up as much.

MB.
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:11 PM
Congratulations, Caroline. You might not have a slam, but she's laughing all the way to the bank.

The rankings say you're number one which means you're the real number one.

Belmont Lad
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Amazing :woohoo:

Another year with slamless #1, who sucks since Wimbledon :rocker:

Indeed. So embarrassing for the tour. :tape: :help:

King Halep
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Champion of Copenhagen, Brussels and New Haven - 3 legs of the Woz Slam. Noone else can match that.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

Stamp Paid
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Keep them pressed Caro.

Miss Amor
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Well deserved.

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:30 PM
I´m truly happy for her. Nobody will ever be able to take that away from her, finishing #1 twice in a row is such a rare accomplishment these days.

And with more money in the bank and her place in the sport set I trust that she one day finds the confidence to make the needed changes she can't seem to do right now. :)

JustPetko
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:34 PM
so let's take this moment to take our hats off :hatoff: to the best player on the SEWTA tour for the 2nd year in a row, winner of SIX TITLES (five at the Premier level), global ambassador for Turkish Airlines, leader of the Polish Brigade Princess Karolina :worship: :worship: :worship:

:facepalm:

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:35 PM
She's the leader of the one-girl Danish brigade if anything :)

Or the Monaco brigade, that one's slightly bigger :lol:

lang26
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Well deserved. keep the Haters Mad Caro

StephenUK
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:41 PM
I've got nothing against Caroline but she really is the worst world No 1 I can remember, even the slamless ones like Safina and Jankovic managed to make slam finals, she has only made two semis this year. I think it would be better for her to drop to around No 5 in the world and then win a slam than to stay with this horrible albatross round her neck.

killerqueen
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:52 PM
Well done to her, but I really wish she'd win a slam, if only to shut people up about how undeserving she is.

sammy01
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:07 PM
Champion of Copenhagen, Brussels and New Haven - 3 legs of the Woz Slam. Noone else can match that.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

you forgot the charleston slam to! :worship::worship::worship:

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:10 PM
:yawn: :zzz:

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:14 PM
Caro may drop from #1 in January :shrug:

Maria has very few points to defend and Caro defends 900 ... also Petra will have a good shot of taking #1

Adal
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:38 PM
Well.. good for her, I guess.

hablo
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:46 PM
Well done Caro, another year ending as the best player in the world :worship:

:hysteric::crying2:

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:48 PM
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4044/610x1v.jpg

:hearts::worship::hi5:

ViceUltramontain
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:52 PM
A cup ? Really ? For that year ?

The only thing she deserves is "Forehand for dummies".

petkoan
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:07 AM
A cup ? Really ? For that year ?

The only thing she deserves is "Forehand for dummies".

I laughed as hard as one can laugh. Good one

goldenlox
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:09 AM
She is #1, 51 weeks this year, & back to back YE #1, and on the Forbes list #2.
But she gets criticised also.
Thats life in WTA world.

lang26
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:09 AM
I've got nothing against Caroline but she really is the worst world No 1 I can remember, even the slamless ones like Safina and Jankovic managed to make slam finals, she has only made two semis this year. I think it would be better for her to drop to around No 5 in the world and then win a slam than to stay with this horrible albatross round her neck.

JJ only reach one slam final still this date

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:12 AM
Caro is the greatest #1 ever :yeah:.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:16 AM
:yawn: :zzz:

oh matt we were only celebrating all those big titles she has won this year. :sad:

CWTennis
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Congrats Caro! :)

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1231655927/22a5b0aa4b2e_normal.jpgCaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki)
Celebrating my second consecutive year as number one with my team:) a very proud and memorable moment!

WTAKatie (http://twitter.com/#!/WTAKatie)
Nice touch - Anna Wozniacki is presented with flowers during the No.1 trophy presentation for @CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) #YearendNo.1 #GoCaro #wtachamps

rennaestubbs (http://twitter.com/#!/rennaestubbs)
congrats 2 @CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) 4 achieving the #1 ranking 2 yrs running. Tennis is about hitting between the lines & no 1 did it better in 2011

PatrikWoz (http://twitter.com/#!/PatrikWoz)
@CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) ends 2011 as number 1 in the world for the second year in a row!! Congratulations. I'm a very proud brother :)

MardyFish (http://twitter.com/#!/MardyFish)
@CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) Congrats Wozzy!

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3590/610x2k.jpg

LightWarrior
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:22 AM
Imagine if she doesn't even win YEC this year, which is likely...WTA is hilarious.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:24 AM
Imagine if she doesn't even win YEC this year, which is likely...WTA is hilarious.

Yeah, she only won 6 tournaments and had two more finals... how's she even in the Top 10?

LightWarrior
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Congrats Caro! :)

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1231655927/22a5b0aa4b2e_normal.jpgCaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki)
Celebrating my second consecutive year as number one with my team:) a very proud and memorable moment!

WTAKatie (http://twitter.com/#!/WTAKatie)
Nice touch - Anna Wozniacki is presented with flowers during the No.1 trophy presentation for @CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) #YearendNo.1 #GoCaro #wtachamps

rennaestubbs (http://twitter.com/#!/rennaestubbs)
congrats 2 @CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) 4 achieving the #1 ranking 2 yrs running. Tennis is about hitting between the lines & no 1 did it better in 2011

PatrikWoz (http://twitter.com/#!/PatrikWoz)
@CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) ends 2011 as number 1 in the world for the second year in a row!! Congratulations. I'm a very proud brother :)

MardyFish (http://twitter.com/#!/MardyFish)
@CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) Congrats Wozzy!

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3590/610x2k.jpg

Where is Serena's tweet ? :haha:

ViceUltramontain
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:32 AM
Yeah, she only won 6 tournaments and had two more finals... how's she even in the Top 10?

Plus all her amazing results in slams. I mean that Hantuchova match in Paris, wow, that was something else.

LightWarrior
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:32 AM
Yeah, she only won 6 tournaments and had two more finals... how's she even in the Top 10?

See, subconscously you're even embarassed yourself. ;)

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:32 AM
Plus all her amazing results in slams. I mean that Hantuchova match in Paris, wow, that was something else.

Yeah, I agree. If only she could have done as great as Sharapova or Kvitova at the USO...man...

ViceUltramontain
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:35 AM
Yeah, I agree. If only she could have done as great as Sharapova or Kvitova at the USO...man...

Yeah, especially given that she did as good as them in Wimbledon...Oh wait, forgot about Cibulkova.

Don't try to fight over her GS results please. You won't last.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:38 AM
No need to fight, they were good enough for her to keep the #1 and finish YE #1...and that's what counts :)

ViceUltramontain
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:40 AM
No need to fight, they were good enough for her to keep the #1 and finish YE #1...and that's what counts :)

Sure, if for you the number one place is what counts in tennis, then you can be happy. She sure did a great job to do this.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:43 AM
No need to fight, they were good enough for her to keep the #1 and finish YE #1...and that's what counts :)

honestly what would you rather for caro next year, a whole year at number 1 or a slam? i'm just intrested, because caro fans seem determined to make the number 1 ranking more relevant than slams when it never has been.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:48 AM
Where is Serena's tweet ? :haha:

she won the Caro Slam ... Charleston on green clay, Brussels on red clay, Copahagen on indoor hard and New Haven on outdoor hard ... she deserves to be #1 :tape: :facepalm: :tape:

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:49 AM
honestly what would you rather for caro next year, a whole year at number 1 or a slam? i'm just intrested, because caro fans seem determined to make the number 1 ranking more relevant than slams when it never has been.

In all honesty, I´d go for the #1 ranking. Because that means she has performed well all year and I take much more enjoyment out of that than her winning one slam and then slumping around like others have done.

I actually kind of fear the day she wins a slam for what happens next.

Stamp Paid
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:02 AM
In all honesty, I´d go for the #1 ranking. Because that means she has performed well all year and I take much more enjoyment out of that than her winning one slam and then slumping around like others have done.

I actually kind of fear the day she wins a slam for what happens next.Those are lowered expectations, dont settle for a ranking. She can win a slam and be just as consistent as she's always been.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:06 AM
In all honesty, I´d go for the #1 ranking. Because that means she has performed well all year and I take much more enjoyment out of that than her winning one slam and then slumping around like others have done.

I actually kind of fear the day she wins a slam for what happens next.

i just don't get this logic at all? if what you think is true why do serena and clijsters chase slams not the number 1 ranking?

i think if caro ever does win a slam you will realise how silly this sounds from you, as you will see how much bigger and more impact a slam has than the number 1 ranking ever will. not to mention the respect a slam champion gets.

winning slams makes headlines in newspapers and is the true sign of a champion. you see what a huge effect it has had on kvitova, stosur and li na, it has turned their world upside down. it is not caro standing on the new york streets in front of 100's of photographers, or on a melbourne beach infront of the paps, it is clijsters and stosur.

i bet if caro ever wins a slam you and the fellow caro fans will have avatars and pics of her holding the trophy over the vase she gets for number 1.

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:11 AM
i just don't get this logic at all? if what you think is true why do serena and clijsters chase slams not the number 1 ranking?

Please, you don't think he actually believes that, do you? :lol: I remember when Wozniacki was rumoured to be getting a new coach, he was jumping for joy because he believed it would get her a Slam - even the most ardent Woztards in reality know how uncredible a #1 she is.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:14 AM
i just don't get this logic at all? if what you think is true why do serena and clijsters chase slams not the number 1 ranking?

i think if caro ever does win a slam you will realise how silly this sounds from you, as you will see how much bigger and more impact a slam has than the number 1 ranking ever will. not to mention the respect a slam champion gets.

winning slams makes headlines in newspapers and is the true sign of a champion. you see what a huge effect it has had on kvitova, stosur and li na, it has turned their world upside down. it is not caro standing on the new york streets in front of 100's of photographers, or on a melbourne beach infront of the paps, it is clijsters and stosur.

i bet if caro ever wins a slam you and the fellow caro fans will have avatars and pics of her holding the trophy over the vase she gets for number 1.

Caro gets more than enough attention and endorsements already, she already has that boost of being #1, adding slams on top of that will not change her world as much as it will for players that win a slam and have never been #1.

And seriously, two of the three slam winners this year actually back my point of why I´m worried, I don't want to see Caro end up like Li Na, one big title and after that it's just scrambles.

I think it all goes down to how you see the year. You and other people who rate slams so much higher see the other tournaments as a mere preparation for the slams. For me, the slams are part of the tour, they´re the most important yes but they´re just part of a full season.

Have you seen me get crazy excited when she made the USO SF this? No... I just don't get this extreme overrating of slams, in the end it's just not that much different than a premier mandatory if you take away all the hype.

Slam winners come and go, there are four of them each year. I want her to be as high as possible on the all-time #1 week's list... because once you crack the 100/200 mark, that means you`ll stay there for a very long time. If she wins 1-2 slams and fades into obscurity she's forgotten in 20 years.

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:15 AM
i just don't get this logic at all? if what you think is true why do serena and clijsters chase slams not the number 1 ranking?

i think if caro ever does win a slam you will realise how silly this sounds from you, as you will see how much bigger and more impact a slam has than the number 1 ranking ever will. not to mention the respect a slam champion gets.

winning slams makes headlines in newspapers and is the true sign of a champion. you see what a huge effect it has had on kvitova, stosur and li na, it has turned their world upside down. it is not caro standing on the new york streets in front of 100's of photographers, or on a melbourne beach infront of the paps, it is clijsters and stosur.

i bet if caro ever wins a slam you and the fellow caro fans will have avatars and pics of her holding the trophy over the vase she gets for number 1.

As a kid her primary ambition was always to be number one... As a fan I'm happy to support her it that ambition and congratulate her for it.

Her secondary ambition is to win a slam and Her fans will support her in that ambition too.

Could be a cultural thing, but when asked by the media recently most of the young players in the Danish tennis programme said their goal was to be "Number One".

It's more than possible to be number one and win a few slams at the same time you know. :)

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Please, you don't think he actually believes that, do you? :lol: I remember when Wozniacki was rumoured to be getting a new coach, he was jumping for joy because he believed it would get her a Slam - even the most ardent Woztards in reality know how uncredible a #1 she is.

You`re talking out of your ass again, I never said that. Yes I was happy because I don't think she can improve much further with Piotr. This has nothing to do with winning slams, she`ll need to improve to keep the ranking as well as the others are catching up as we see now.

Please, show me a post of mine where I´m showing that I´m dying for her to win a slam. You won't find anything..

Mixal
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:19 AM
honestly what would you rather for caro next year, a whole year at number 1 or a slam? i'm just intrested, because caro fans seem determined to make the number 1 ranking more relevant than slams when it never has been.

It think it's kinda late for that question since she's been #1 for 2 consecutive years, so it would be logical they want a slam now. Not to mention that #1 ranking can't help you (at least not in her case) in winning a slam, while winning a slam can help you in getting or maintaining #1 ranking.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:22 AM
Could be a cultural thing, but when asked by the media recently most of the young players in the Danish tennis programme said their goal was to be "Number One".



They were lying for the GM trolls ;)

I just think you people understand the mindset. In a recent interview Caro said she enjoys the feeling knowing that no player in the universe is above her and that is so true. You just can't get the same sense of accomplishment from winning a slam..there's always four reigning slam winners but just one #1. It's the ultimate achievement because only one person at a time can reach it.

Another thing is that it takes a long-time effort to get there. Nobody can be a freak #1, because you need to prove yourself over a long period of time. A slam can always be won by having a hot streak and a bit of luck with the draw. Just look at Kerber this year, almost making the USO final. Nobody just makes it into the Top 5 let alone the #1 by accident, it's impossible.

That's another aspect that makes the #1 a bigger accomplishment in my book, slams in generally are easier to win than becoming #1.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:31 AM
Caro gets more than enough attention and endorsements already, she already has that boost of being #1, adding slams on top of that will not change her world as much as it will for players that win a slam and have never been #1.

And seriously, two of the three slam winners this year actually back my point of why I´m worried, I don't want to see Caro end up like Li Na, one big title and after that it's just scrambles.

I think it all goes down to how you see the year. You and other people who rate slams so much higher see the other tournaments as a mere preparation for the slams. For me, the slams are part of the tour, they´re the most important yes but they´re just part of a full season.

Have you seen me get crazy excited when she made the USO SF this? No... I just don't get this extreme overrating of slams, in the end it's just not that much different than a premier mandatory if you take away all the hype.

Slam winners come and go, there are four of them each year. I want her to be as high as possible on the all-time #1 week's list... because once you crack the 100/200 mark, that means you`ll stay there for a very long time. If she wins 1-2 slams and fades into obscurity she's forgotten in 20 years.

you seem to have no idea how big winning a slam is. yes she will be sooooo much bigger a name then she is now. she will be invited to go on american talk shows, make the papers, have news headlines and intrest throughout the world. a world more than she does now.

i seriously think you need to visit a grand slam. having been to a lot of regular tournaments and wimbledon, the tour tournaments are mere blips on the radar in comparisson. the hype, buzz and feeling of a slam is palpable. the named players (nadal, fed, WS, maria and kim) are practically royalty. it feels special, it makes you tingle just to stand on the grounds of SW19.

well you may not get very excited as a semi final for a world number 1 isn't exactly something to shout about. as for the slams are not much different to a mandatory if that is so why hasn't caro won one? i mean she has a couple of mandatories and there are 4 of them a year, so surely she would have a slam. believe me 7 matches, with every top player in the world giving it their absolute all is very different to a mandatory. the whole buzz and hype of slams make them a much different thing for a starters as the pressure is multiplied, the press is heavier, the spotlight is on. it is the ultimate test of a player to win one with all the things they must deal with that a slam brings.

if caro wins 2 slams she will never fade in obscurity, she will be down in the history books. if she makes 100+ weeks at number 1 and never wins a slam, she will be remember for that in a negative way and it will be an albatross around her neck for life.

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:35 AM
You`re talking out of your ass again, I never said that. Yes I was happy because I don't think she can improve much further with Piotr. This has nothing to do with winning slams, she`ll need to improve to keep the ranking as well as the others are catching up as we see now.

Please, show me a post of mine where I´m showing that I´m dying for her to win a slam. You won't find anything..

I think she has realized that this is as far as she's going to go with her dad. She can continue to win countless WTA titles but she will have only slim chances at slams aside from freak draws.

And I guess her decision is that she wants to finally win some slams and it just isn't happening with Piotr, we´ve seen it this year. There is no progress in that department, she repeated her Wimbledon result and did even worse at RG.

If she has the feeling that there is something left on the table, some talents that Piotr can't make her use, it would be nuts not to try it. Staying with him would have been the safe thing for sure... but in hindsight she may would look back at a wasted opportunity.

She is in the perfect position to make this decision too. She has already proven that she can win an incredible amounts of tournaments, that she is extremely consistent and talented... plus, she's already financially set for life. If now's not the time to take some chances to win slams then when is?

For someone who "prefers the #1 spot", you sure did start talking about Slams an awful lot once you (mistakenly) thought she was on track to win some :shrug:

And all I had to do was type in "Jimmie48 Caro Slams" on Google :lol:

goldenlox
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by sammy01 http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/red/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=20412634#post20412634)
honestly what would you rather for caro next year, a whole year at number 1 or a slam?



I would like to see her do both. Win majors & spend a lot of time at #1.
But it didnt happen this year. I think the worst loss she had was to Li at the AO because she had match point for a slam final.
She went to 3 slam semis in the last 5 majors, but you have to keep going & take those last 2 steps.
3 first timers did it in 2011, & Caroline will have plenty of chances in the decade ahead

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:40 AM
As a kid her primary ambition was always to be number one... As a fan I'm happy to support her it that ambition and congratulate her for it.

Her secondary ambition is to win a slam and Her fans will support her in that ambition too.

Could be a cultural thing, but when asked by the media recently most of the young players in the Danish tennis programme said their goal was to be "Number One".

It's more than possible to be number one and win a few slams at the same time you know. :)

And Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova, the Williamses, and even Kvitova have all said they prefer Slams to getting the #1 position (and all but one of them have experienced both, so they should know). But I guess they're all overridden by "young players in the Danish tennis programme" :lol:

In all seriousness, considering most Danes only see tennis through the lens of Wozniacki's career (understandably, seeing as she's their only top-flight player to date), they probably don't understand the importance of Slams :shrug:

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:40 AM
oh matt we were only celebrating all those big titles she has won this year. :sad:


Actually you are just making fun of the World's best player. :sad:

You are evil people!!!11

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:41 AM
For someone who "prefers the #1 spot", you sure did start talking about Slams an awful lot once you (mistakenly) thought she was on track to win some :shrug:

And all I had to do was type in "Jimmie48 Caro Slams" on Google :lol:

With all due respect, this is a simple congratulations thread for what remains a remarkable achievement.

Either show some dignity and maturity and say congratulations, or go away.

You are beyond boring.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:42 AM
Actually you are just making fun of the World's best player. :sad:

You are evil people!!!11

i would never make fun of kim clijsters ;)

well if you see celebrating caro's titles this year as making fun, goes to show you how much value you actually put on those titles. :kiss:

Matt01
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:45 AM
i just don't get this logic at all? if what you think is true why do serena and clijsters chase slams not the number 1 ranking?


Because they can't chase the #1 because they are too lazy to play enough tournaments. I thought this was obvious.

Irute
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:46 AM
you seem to have no idea how big winning a slam is. yes she will be sooooo much bigger a name then she is now. she will be invited to go on american talk shows, make the papers, have news headlines and intrest throughout the world. a world more than she does now.

(...)

Winning slams is huge no question about it, but ask yourself if Caro has more media exposure or Kvitova, Na or Stosur. I think Caro at the moment, just because she was capable to sustain very high position for a long time. Now if one of the other three will be able to sustain their achievements for next couple of years then may be they will equal Caro in media exposure, but they are just not there yet. It would be entirely story if she was #1 for couple of months, but couple of years... that needs to be acknowledged.

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:49 AM
Winning slams is huge no question about it, but ask yourself if Caro has more media exposure or Kvitova, Na or Stosur. I think Caro at the moment, just because she was capable to sustain very high position for a long time. Now if one of the other three will be able to sustain their achievements for next couple of years then may be they will equal Caro in media exposure, but they are just not there yet. It would be entirely story if she was #1 for couple of months, but couple of years... that needs to be acknowledged.
Depends which country we're talking about. In the UK, Kvitova, Li and Stosur are undoubtedly more famous than Wozniacki, precisely because of the media attention their Slam wins generated. Wozniacki is only semi-famous here because of her boyfriend.

danieln1
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:51 AM
Congratulations, only 8 players finished back-to-back number 1 years, Lindsay being one of them.

Hopefully Caro can add a slam to validate this amazing stat :yeah:

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:57 AM
you seem to have no idea how big winning a slam is. yes she will be sooooo much bigger a name then she is now. she will be invited to go on american talk shows, make the papers, have news headlines and intrest throughout the world. a world more than she does now.

i seriously think you need to visit a grand slam. having been to a lot of regular tournaments and wimbledon, the tour tournaments are mere blips on the radar in comparisson. the hype, buzz and feeling of a slam is palpable. the named players (nadal, fed, WS, maria and kim) are practically royalty. it feels special, it makes you tingle just to stand on the grounds of SW19.

well you may not get very excited as a semi final for a world number 1 isn't exactly something to shout about. as for the slams are not much different to a mandatory if that is so why hasn't caro won one? i mean she has a couple of mandatories and there are 4 of them a year, so surely she would have a slam. believe me 7 matches, with every top player in the world giving it their absolute all is very different to a mandatory. the whole buzz and hype of slams make them a much different thing for a starters as the pressure is multiplied, the press is heavier, the spotlight is on. it is the ultimate test of a player to win one with all the things they must deal with that a slam brings.

if caro wins 2 slams she will never fade in obscurity, she will be down in the history books. if she makes 100+ weeks at number 1 and never wins a slam, she will be remember for that in a negative way and it will be an albatross around her neck for life.

Don't give me that nonsense that slam winners aren ever forgotten. I doubt you can tell me the four slam winners of each year 25 years ago. And do you seriously think a player like Caro who does 1261 public appearances each year gives a flying fart about appearing in a talkshow. She moved to Monaco to actually get away from all the press nonsense, I highly doubt getting more of it is what she craves.

Like I said, this is great for lower-ranked players because that way they get to enjoy the attention the #1 has all the time, just concentrated in a few days. Li Na became popular in China thanks to her win, Caro is already the biggest celebrity in Denmark... there just isn't as much to gain for her compared to others.

I don't mind that you enjoy the slams that much and that it is that special for you, that's nice. The problem is that you guys are trying to sell your personal viewpoints as factual wisdom...which is wrong.

You asked me which I prefer, slams or the ranking. I not only told you my choice but went great lengths to explain my choice as well. Take it or leave it..

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:58 AM
Winning slams is huge no question about it, but ask yourself if Caro has more media exposure or Kvitova, Na or Stosur. I think Caro at the moment, just because she was capable to sustain very high position for a long time. Now if one of the other three will be able to sustain their achievements for next couple of years then may be they will equal Caro in media exposure, but they are just not there yet. It would be entirely story if she was #1 for couple of months, but couple of years... that needs to be acknowledged.

i can only speak for the UK as it is where i live, but kvitova's wimbledon win puts her far and above the others. though li na's french open win was big to (a lot of news coverage about how this will cause a boom in chinese tennis ect).

i kind of have to agree with dsanders, caro is basically known as the chick who is the slamless number 1 dating rory.

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 01:59 AM
And Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova, the Williamses, and even Kvitova have all said they prefer Slams to getting the #1 position (and all but one of them have experienced both, so they should know). But I guess they're all overridden by "young players in the Danish tennis programme" :lol:

In all seriousness, considering most Danes only see tennis through the lens of Wozniacki's career (understandably, seeing as she's their only top-flight player to date), they probably don't understand the importance of Slams :shrug:

I'm pretty sure that the kids in the programme have tennis knowledge that far outstrips yours being that they actually compete and have done so for longer than you have observed it. They are free to aspire to what ever they want, and more importantly, they are actually working the balls off to do it, so I think I'll respect their views a little bit more than yours.

Further, I don't think you asked the question, and I don't think my answer was directed toward you in any form what so ever?

How about you do us all a favour and save your obnoxious rhetoric for your player section, where I'm sure you will find somebody gullible enough to listen to you and who actually cares what a sad little internet warrior with little to no credible basis for comment has to say.

Your trolling in this thread is offensive to all tennis fans.

Irute
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:00 AM
Depends which country we're talking about. In the UK, Kvitova, Li and Stosur are undoubtedly more famous than Wozniacki, precisely because of the media attention their Slam wins generated. Wozniacki is only semi-famous here because of her boyfriend.

Whatever you say man, but I am having hard time to take your word for it :shrug:

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:02 AM
Don't give me that nonsense that slam winners aren ever forgotten. I doubt you can tell me the four slam winners of each year 25 years ago. And do you seriously think a player like Caro who does 1261 public appearances each year gives a flying fart about appearing in a talkshow. She moved to Monaco to actually get away from all the press nonsense, I highly doubt getting more of it is what she craves.

Like I said, this is great for lower-ranked players because that way they get to enjoy the attention the #1 has all the time, just concentrated in a few days. Li Na became popular in China thanks to her win, Caro is already the biggest celebrity in Denmark... there just isn't as much to gain for her compared to others.

I don't mind that you enjoy the slams that much and that it is that special for you, that's nice. The problem is that you guys are trying to sell your personal viewpoints as factual wisdom...which is wrong.

You asked me which I prefer, slams or the ranking. I not only told you my choice but went great lengths to explain my choice as well. Take it or leave it..

ok i give up, obviously denmark is all that matters, there is no rest of the world. maybe caro should just play tournaments in denmark or exho's there every week as the rest of the world simpley pales in comparisson :tape:

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:04 AM
Whatever you say man, but I am having hard time to take your word for it :shrug:

Me either, I highly doubt that La Ni is some sort of celebrity in the UK because she won the French Open. A few days ago somebody (forgot who it was) complained that there was little press coverage about tennis in general in the UK press safe the for the British girls. I think dsanders06 is once again making claims that nobody here can verify..

And of course Kvitova gets press, Wimbledon is a national pride thing and the winners are popular in the UK. It might be a different story in Sweden, China or Zanzibar though...

And again, all this only matters if we assume that Caro actually craves this kind of attention and her life-choices strongly suggest she doesn't.

PMBH
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:04 AM
Congratulations to Caroline! Fantastic achievement to finish as number 1 two years in a row :-) It's particularly impressive considering the challenges she's had to face this year with lack of form throughout the summer, the constant pressure of being top of the rankings, the coaching issue etc. I think the experiences of Caro's 2011 season will be very beneficial for her future career.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:05 AM
ok i give up, obviously denmark is all that matters, there is no rest of the world. maybe caro should just play tournaments in denmark or exho's there every week as the rest of the world simpley pales in comparisson :tape:

You´re not even trying to understand me, are you? I´m not specifically talking about Denmark, I´m not even Danish. I was just comparing the advantages other players got from winning a slam... Li got popular at home, Caro is already popular.. Stosur got some press, Caro gets press all the time.

She already enjoys all these "advantages" that come with winning a slam, what is so hard to understand about that?

goldenlox
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:06 AM
How could she be #2 on the Forbes list if no one knows her? Thats worldwide and every womens sport, not just tennis.
Why are companies paying her tens of millions?
Of course top players want to win majors, and of course Caro wants to, and her fans want her to.

But its still 51 weeks at #1 in a calendar year, and 2 YE #1's in a row.
And thats not an everyday occurrence, it takes a lot of results, she won 12 titles the last 2 years.

But of course, she wants majors also.

Irute
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:06 AM
i can only speak for the UK as it is where i live, but kvitova's wimbledon win puts her far and above the others. though li na's french open win was big to (a lot of news coverage about how this will cause a boom in chinese tennis ect).

i kind of have to agree with dsanders, caro is basically known as the chick who is the slamless number 1 dating rory.

Okay I will not argue with the popularity since I am not any better than two of you guys and don't have any numbers to back up my statement. I am convinced though that if one honestly looks at 2 years as number 1 one has to say that it is extraordinary. You guys may not like her and her tennis, hell I don't but it wins her titles and the top spot for very long time. Maintaining top form for such a long time is an achievement alone.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:14 AM
Okay I will not argue with the popularity since I am not any better than two of you guys and don't have any numbers to back up my statement. I am convinced though that if one honestly looks at 2 years as number 1 one has to say that it is extraordinary. You guys may not like her and her tennis, hell I don't but it wins her titles and the top spot for very long time. Maintaining top form for such a long time is an achievement alone.

it is impressive, however it irks me that her results aren't even near those of say davenport and hingis in the years they were YE number 1 without a slam. i mean hingis was winning like 10 titles and davenport lost once before the qtrs in 2004.

the standard just seems soo low to me, caro has bombed out of plenty of tournaments this year before the qtrs. i know there is a multitude of reasons including injured slam winners and slams winners off form, but my tennis following has been for a long time now and i don't forget the achievements that other players had to achieve to be where caro is now.

it is like watching someone be half the person others were but getting the same rewards (weeks at number 1)as them.

rochelle100
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:15 AM
Depends which country we're talking about. In the UK, Kvitova, Li and Stosur are undoubtedly more famous than Wozniacki, precisely because of the media attention their Slam wins generated. Wozniacki is only semi-famous here because of her boyfriend.

To be honest, she isn't even semi-famous here. People don't know at all who Caroline Wozniacki is unless they're a tennis fan.

pov
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:17 AM
To be honest, she isn't even semi-famous here. People don't know at all who Caroline Wozniacki is unless they're a tennis fan.
IME most non-tennis fans only know Sharapova and the WS.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:18 AM
To be honest, she isn't even semi-famous here. People don't know at all who Caroline Wozniacki is unless they're a tennis fan.

Why would they? Why are tennis players even expected to be all-around celebrities? I don't get this way of thinking, not everybody has to be a total media sellout.

People who aren't into boxing don't know who the reigning heavyweight champion (or whatever it is called..I have no idea) is. People who don't care about racing don't know who's current NASCAR or F1 world champion.

But somehow many people expect top female tennis players to be celebrities everybody knows. I don't get it. They're not singers or actresses who's success is based on popularity, they`re athletes. It's not their job to be "known" by all means..

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:18 AM
i can only speak for the UK as it is where i live, but kvitova's wimbledon win puts her far and above the others. though li na's french open win was big to (a lot of news coverage about how this will cause a boom in chinese tennis ect).

i kind of have to agree with dsanders, caro is basically known as the chick who is the slamless number 1 dating rory.

Plus I noticed a lot of press coverage for Stosur's USO win (certainly more than Wozniacki has ever generated) due to the shock of Serena losing a Slam final / Serena's behaviour in the final.

Irute
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:22 AM
it is impressive, however it irks me that her results aren't even near those of say davenport and hingis in the years they were YE number 1 without a slam. i mean hingis was winning like 10 titles and davenport lost once before the qtrs in 2004.

the standard just seems soo low to me, caro has bombed out of plenty of tournaments this year before the qtrs. i know there is a multitude of reasons including injured slam winners and slams winners off form, but my tennis following has been for a long time now and i don't forget the achievements that other players had to achieve to be where caro is now.

it is like watching someone be half the person others were but getting the same rewards (weeks at number 1)as them.

Hingis and Davenport are awesome champions. I am irked too that there is some lack of finish in what she has achieved. I have no idea how she would be viewed if her career ended now, but one has to remember that she is most likely not done. Also it is different when you look at an established champion from the perspective of time and look at a contemporary player and you see all the shortcomings, memory of them seems to fade away as time goes by.

Brad[le]y.
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:24 AM
i would never make fun of kim clijsters ;)

well if you see celebrating caro's titles this year as making fun, goes to show you how much value you actually put on those titles. :kiss:

Clijsters the best player in the world :happy: :happy: :happy:

Uranus
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:24 AM
Biggest tournaments of the year and winners:

Australian Open - Kim Clijsters
Dubai - Caroline Wozniacki
Indian Wells - Caroline Wozniacki
Miami - Victoria Azarenka
Madrid - Petra Kvitova
Rome - Maria Sharapova
French Open - Na Li
Wimbledon - Petra Kvitova
Toronto - Serena Williams
Cincinnati - Maria Sharapova
US Open - Samantha Stosur
Tokyo - Agnieszka Radwanska
Beijing - Agnieszka Radwanska
YEC - ?

Number one.

Cineast
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:27 AM
you seem to have no idea how big winning a slam is. yes she will be sooooo much bigger a name then she is now. she will be invited to go on american talk shows, make the papers, have news headlines and intrest throughout the world. a world more than she does now.
How big of names are Li Na, Petra Kvitová, or Sam Stosur in the US?

I think I've told this story before, but when the US quiz show Jeopardy! had its annual teen tournament back in the beginning of 2005 (about six months after Sharapova won Wimbledon), one of the categories in the final was "Teens in the News" or something similar. One of the clues was a photo of Maria Sharapova with the clue, "This tennis player has been turning heads, and winning tournaments, too". The first person rang in and guessed... "Who is Anna Kournikova?" :haha: The other two didn't hazard a guess.

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:32 AM
i can only speak for the UK as it is where i live, but kvitova's wimbledon win puts her far and above the others. though li na's french open win was big to (a lot of news coverage about how this will cause a boom in chinese tennis ect).

i kind of have to agree with dsanders, caro is basically known as the chick who is the slamless number 1 dating rory.

Li Na gets a hit or two max per year at the BBC. Only one piece about "chinese boom" and the French.

Caroline pieces are listed by week and month day.

Kvitova hasn't been a headline since August and that was a defeat, "US Open 2011: Wimbledon champion Kvitova beaten in round one" and the rest of her mentions are 'and also in the news' items.

Similar at the other Uk media outlets.

Heather, Anne and Laura get a lot more press than either Kvitova and Li Na.

I work in London.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:33 AM
When did I say tennis players are expected to be celebrities? I was simply quoting dsanders06 saying she isn't semi-famous.

Anyway, congrats to Caroline. Rare achievement these days in womens tennis to end the year #1 twice in a row.

It wasn't directly meant for you but the point "no non-tennis fan knows her" is raised quite often here and I don't get the thought behind that, that's all.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:34 AM
I work in London.

:hi5: dsanders06 wasn't expecting that one, good stuff to provide some facts.

Cineast
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:38 AM
it is impressive, however it irks me that her results aren't even near those of say davenport and hingis in the years they were YE number 1 without a slam. i mean hingis was winning like 10 titles and davenport lost once before the qtrs in 2004.

Davenport was YE#1 in 2004 without a Slam final. She had seven titles, which is obviously one more than Wozniacki. (Did they have Mandatory Events yet then?)

And for the record, the first time Sharapova got to #1, she was no longer holding a Slam title. In fact, after Wimbledon 2005, the highest-ranked player to be a defending Slam champion was... Sveta Kuznetsova. I don't think anybody thought she deserved to be #1.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:45 AM
Li Na gets a hit or two max per year at the BBC. Only one piece about "chinese boom" and the French.

Caroline pieces are listed by week and month day.

Kvitova hasn't been a headline since August and that was a defeat, "US Open 2011: Wimbledon champion Kvitova beaten in round one" and the rest of her mentions are 'and also in the news' items.

Similar at the other Uk media outlets.

Heather, Anne and Laura get a lot more press than either Kvitova and Li Na.

I work in London.

none of this takes into account things like the several million that tuned into and saw kvitova win wimbledon. those people don't forget who she is because she isn't back page news every week.

also i remember watching several news items on li na, one pretty recently about her helping tennis boom in china and some little like 9 year old chinese girl who is 'supposed' to be the new li na. it was on itv news IIRC.

Burisleif
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:04 AM
none of this takes into account things like the several million that tuned into and saw kvitova win wimbledon. those people don't forget who she is because she isn't back page news every week.

also i remember watching several news items on li na, one pretty recently about her helping tennis boom in china and some little like 9 year old chinese girl who is 'supposed' to be the new li na. it was on itv news IIRC.

Glad to hear the WTA gets some plugs...

Caroline is a regular mention in sports update, Breakfast, Tv adds on analogue and digital. Caroline is even used as a direct feed in football commentary via twitter under the moniker: "World number one tennis player Caroline Wozniacki on Twitter:"

However, the aspersion that the the WTA number 1 for the last 54 weeks get's little to no coverage compared to one time slam champions doesn't cut it. Google Data, BBC feeds, press data all disagree. Further, the notion that she remains an unknown in the UK and elsewhere would suggest that the UK is largely illiterate , deaf and blind. It isn't as we all know.

This whole attack on WTA #1 relevance reminds me of a post by Chrono. (now called Narcissus) made shortly after returning from his ban, where he was touring Serbia, and proceeded to bring forth some vitriol and unsavoury language on discovering Prime downtown billboard space being dedicated to the WTA with rather than JJ, his least favourite player smiling that sunshine smile down at him. :lol:

Stamp Paid
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:15 AM
This whole attack on WTA #1 relevance reminds me of a post by Chrono. (now called Narcissus) made shortly after returning from his ban, where he was touring Serbia, and proceeded to bring forth some vitriol and unsavoury language on discovering Prime downtown billboard space being dedicated to the WTA with rather than JJ, his least favourite player smiling that sunshine smile down at him. :lol:damn the resentment runs deep with some of these people :lol:

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:57 AM
Glad to hear the WTA gets some plugs...

Caroline is a regular mention in sports update, Breakfast, Tv adds on analogue and digital. Caroline is even used as a direct feed in football commentary via twitter under the moniker: "World number one tennis player Caroline Wozniacki on Twitter:"

However, the aspersion that the the WTA number 1 for the last 54 weeks get's little to no coverage compared to one time slam champions doesn't cut it. Google Data, BBC feeds, press data all disagree. Further, the notion that she remains an unknown in the UK and elsewhere would suggest that the UK is largely illiterate , deaf and blind. It isn't as we all know.

This whole attack on WTA #1 relevance reminds me of a post by Chrono. (now called Narcissus) made shortly after returning from his ban, where he was touring Serbia, and proceeded to bring forth some vitriol and unsavoury language on discovering Prime downtown billboard space being dedicated to the WTA with rather than JJ, his least favourite player smiling that sunshine smile down at him. :lol:

:spit: You're hilarious. Even if you do live in London, you clearly live in your own delusional bubble if you seriously think more Brits would recognise Caroline than would recognise Petra - millions watched Petra win Wimbledon, when do you think people would've seen a Wozniacki match?

And you say disbelievingly "the WTA number 1 for the last 54 weeks get's little to no coverage compared to one time slam champions doesn't cut it" - the reason she doesn't get coverage is because in the real world she isn't treated as a #1 :shrug:

dsanders06
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:00 AM
Davenport was YE#1 in 2004 without a Slam final. She had seven titles, which is obviously one more than Wozniacki. (Did they have Mandatory Events yet then?)

And for the record, the first time Sharapova got to #1, she was no longer holding a Slam title. In fact, after Wimbledon 2005, the highest-ranked player to be a defending Slam champion was... Sveta Kuznetsova. I don't think anybody thought she deserved to be #1.

Davenport was a very weak year-ending #1 in 2004, but she atleast was super-consistent and only lost before the QFs at one tournament all year ... compare that to Wozniacki who, assuming she goes out in the group stages of the YEC, will have lost before the QFs at half her tournaments this year and hasn't made a final at any tournament above Tier 2 level since March.

rochelle100
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:58 AM
Glad to hear the WTA gets some plugs...

Caroline is a regular mention in sports update, Breakfast, Tv adds on analogue and digital. Caroline is even used as a direct feed in football commentary via twitter under the moniker: "World number one tennis player Caroline Wozniacki on Twitter:"

However, the aspersion that the the WTA number 1 for the last 54 weeks get's little to no coverage compared to one time slam champions doesn't cut it. Google Data, BBC feeds, press data all disagree. Further, the notion that she remains an unknown in the UK and elsewhere would suggest that the UK is largely illiterate , deaf and blind. It isn't as we all know.

This whole attack on WTA #1 relevance reminds me of a post by Chrono. (now called Narcissus) made shortly after returning from his ban, where he was touring Serbia, and proceeded to bring forth some vitriol and unsavoury language on discovering Prime downtown billboard space being dedicated to the WTA with rather than JJ, his least favourite player smiling that sunshine smile down at him. :lol:

In what country?

She isn't known in the UK :lol:

Yoncé
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:37 AM
Im drowning in my own tears. Tears of disgust

Mistress of Evil
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:22 AM
Congratulations, Karolina!!! :D


Biggest tournaments of the year and winners:

Australian Open - Kim Clijsters
Dubai - Caroline Wozniacki
Indian Wells - Caroline Wozniacki
Miami - Victoria Azarenka
Madrid - Petra Kvitova
Rome - Maria Sharapova
French Open - Na Li
Wimbledon - Petra Kvitova
Toronto - Serena Williams
Cincinnati - Maria Sharapova
US Open - Samantha Stosur
Tokyo - Agnieszka Radwanska
Beijing - Agnieszka Radwanska
YEC - ?

Number one.

though, this is indeed kinda sad :awww:

Moveyourfeet
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:27 AM
As much as I dislike her game, congrats is due. Year end #1, 2 yrs in a row is a solid achievement.

I blame the rest of the girls for not bringing it enough to dethrone her.

Juju Nostalgique
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:02 AM
She should be fined instead of receiving a prize... :weirdo:

ivanban
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:39 AM
Biggest tournaments of the year and winners:

Australian Open - Kim Clijsters
Dubai - Caroline Wozniacki
Indian Wells - Caroline Wozniacki
Miami - Victoria Azarenka
Madrid - Petra Kvitova
Rome - Maria Sharapova
French Open - Na Li
Wimbledon - Petra Kvitova
Toronto - Serena Williams
Cincinnati - Maria Sharapova
US Open - Samantha Stosur
Tokyo - Agnieszka Radwanska
Beijing - Agnieszka Radwanska
YEC - ?

Number one.

Oh Caro :facepalm:

bandabou
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:45 AM
It's an achievement, I guess..Congrats Caro!

bondergaard
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:44 AM
I was a bit confused about how Caroline could have secured the no. 1 spot already until i found a link for this page in this discussion: http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20111025/how-can-wozniacki-clinch-year-end-no1_2256076_2492987

I'm however still confused about the points.

According to the article this is everyone's points total at the start of the tournament:
7115 - Wozniacki
6370 - Sharapova
5870 - Kvitova
5630 - Azarenka

These are the current rankings:
Caroline Wozniacki - 7395
Maria Sharapova - 6370
Petra Kvitová - 5970
Victoria Azarenka - 5750

As far as i can figure out, only Wozniacki and Azarenka is defending 890 and 370 points respectively from last years finals. Have I missed something?

tejmeglekvár
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:09 AM
I always wondered what would happen if tennis used something similar to the ELO rating system for Chess or Go. I'd love to see some numbers for that. You would have to add some rules that forced players to play a certain amount e.g. their ranking slowly going down if they were inactive, apart from possible protected ranking scenarios.

It wouldn't be feasible as an entry ranking system for tennis, I think, but there's a person who runs a website called Yokozuna tennis, who uses the Sumo ratings to grade the players into categories via their accomplishments. It's quite interesting as well as surprisingly accurate, although there will always be disagreements. For instance, Federer and Nadal have the highest status (Great grand champion) due to all their accomplishments, the kind of status Sampras, Laver, Borg, Rosewall got. Djokovic is one step down, but has ascended to a very high rank (Grand champion).

On the other hand, Caro is only a Junior champion by those rankings, and not even the highest junior champion rank. She's below the other Junior champions Li Na, Stosur, Kvitova, Zvonareva. None of the women on tour are currently any higher than the lowest Senior rank (Sharapova, Champion rank, same as Andy Murray this year. She was only one match away from reaching Grand Champion rank at one point). Most are in the Junior champion ranks. Only Serena (Great grand champion), Kim (Grand Champion), Venus (inactive grand champion rank) are in the upper echelons of the ranking system.

Anyway, I think something similar to Elo might be nice. But you would also have to think carefully about how to make sure fields were strong enough at various tournaments. Definitely would require a lot of careful planning. Basically, it would also mean that prizemoney and rankings would become more separate entities. If a tournament had high prizemoney but didn't have a strong field, the winner's ranking would not go up as much.

only one i saw so far (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=330900)

My two concerns are:
1) knockout based random draws are not ideal for ELO system. It can work, but very random player`s rank and the short time period (52 weeks is short in this case, imho) would make players ranking rising and droping even bigger frequency.
2) still cant see the solution "against" part-time players like Clijsters or Serena having 5-10 tournaments per year. (longer time period would work better)


also, prizemoney even currently has flaws.
Premier-Mandatory winner gets 1000pts and $600k
Premier-5 winner gets 900pts and $300k
while their field is usually 90% the same.

anyway, If I would guess, biggest concern from WTA side would be this system is too complicated. Average viewer is already stuck with the scoring system during matches. In a "nerdy" sport like chess its a really great idea, but in one of the biggest mainstream sport, ELO system can be counter-productive (aka, its possible people would lose interest who is where on the rankings. Not sure thats the organisations interest.)

Kworb
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Amazing achievement. #1 two years in a row. :eek:

Evert
Navratilova
Graf
Seles
Hingis
Davenport
Henin
Wozniacki

When will your currently active fave?

QuietPlease
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:36 PM
Congrats Caroline. Glad you finished the season at #1, you derseve it girl.
First half of 2011 was amazing! Last half others had their shot at #1, but no one was able grab it...

Now please defeat Kvitova.

SilverPersian
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Good job Ms. Woz.

QuietPlease
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:42 PM
Biggest tournaments of the year and winners:

Australian Open - Kim Clijsters
Dubai - Caroline Wozniacki
Indian Wells - Caroline Wozniacki
Miami - Victoria Azarenka
Madrid - Petra Kvitova
Rome - Maria Sharapova
French Open - Na Li
Wimbledon - Petra Kvitova
Toronto - Serena Williams
Cincinnati - Maria Sharapova
US Open - Samantha Stosur
Tokyo - Agnieszka Radwanska
Beijing - Agnieszka Radwanska
YEC - ?

Number one.


The diversity of the WTA tour is stunning! The 14 biggest tournaments split between 9 different players - 10 if Vera takes the YEC!

No one is in command. Caroline racked up most points. Deal with it.

t1000
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Slam winners come and go, there are four of them each year.

This. Colin Montgomery has never won a master, still he is a legend of legends. Who really remember those one-time masters winners that never gets to be no. 1.

Ofcause it would be great if Caroline won a Slam or two, it would be the cherry on top and be a big thing for sure but it's nowhere near the only thing that matters.

If the choice is between 1 slam or 1 week no. 1, well, then ofcause you pick the slam. But what Caroline is doing is well worthy of being no. 1.

Novichok
Oct 27th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Congrats Caroline. Now do it again. :hearts:

CWTennis
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:10 PM
DjokerNole (http://twitter.com/#!/DjokerNole)
@CaroWozniacki (http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki) Caroooooo! Well done neighbour! Told you already,Monaco rules!!! ;-)

stanwawrinka (http://twitter.com/#!/stanwawrinka)
@CaroWozniacki ([URL="http://twitter.com/#!/CaroWozniacki)well done!! Good job

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Jean-Henri
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:19 PM
Amazing achievement. #1 two years in a row. :eek:

When will your currently active fave?

This year :worship::hearts::worship:

Bonfire
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Congratulations Caroline!:worship:
#1 for every week but two this season:yeah:
wonder how long she can keep her ranking next year.
Hoping for a strong start down under!

goldenlox
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Very tough to be YE #1 for 3 years in a row.
The first few months of 2012 Caro's #1 will be challenged. Might be by several players.
Not just Maria, if Vika or Petra win this week, they wont be far away.
Then Serena might play a lot and get into the #1 mix.

Caro held it a long time, that cant last forever, and I expect the #1 rank to be an interesting part of 2012. Who gets there and how long they can stay there

Young 8
Oct 27th, 2011, 03:57 PM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Uranus
Oct 27th, 2011, 04:01 PM
The diversity of the WTA tour is stunning! The 14 biggest tournaments split between 9 different players - 10 if Vera takes the YEC!

No one is in command. Caroline racked up most points. Deal with it.
I guess it's only pretty sad our dear number 1 was unable to win any of the best 4, looks unlikely to take the 5th best (well, who knows) and also failed to win the best mandatory one (Miami). She might not be close to be the best player in the world, but she chose the right schedule according to her abilities, was consistent and got lucky she didn't get injured for a long time.

$uricate
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Spare us.

Thank God the world ends next year.

No matter how you look at it, she has to be the weakest year end number one ever.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM
if she loses to Petra and does not reach SF, would her point total be lowest ever for YE #1?

King Halep
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:20 PM
Spare us.

Thank God the world ends next year.

No matter how you look at it, she has to be the weakest year end number one ever.

will turkeys take over?

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:21 PM
No matter how you look at it, she has to be the weakest year end number one ever.

That's fine if we assume that it's also the weakest Top 10 ever. Otherwise somebody would have dethroned her.

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:33 PM
That's fine if we assume that it's also the weakest Top 10 ever. Otherwise somebody would have dethroned her.

I don't think this is the weakest top 10 ever. She is just too good, nobody can win as much, so she is the best and they are... the rest. :hatoff::bigwave:

Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:35 PM
That's fine if we assume that it's also the weakest Top 10 ever. Otherwise somebody would have dethroned her.

Caroline is the worst number one in WTA history along with Jankovic they only reached ONE slam final each. At least Dinara Safina managed to reach THREE slam finals when she was number one. Dinara was a much better number one than Caroline.

Mynarco
Oct 27th, 2011, 07:37 PM
This whole attack on WTA #1 relevance reminds me of a post by Chrono. (now called Narcissus) made shortly after returning from his ban, where he was touring Serbia, and proceeded to bring forth some vitriol and unsavoury language on discovering Prime downtown billboard space being dedicated to the WTA with rather than JJ, his least favourite player smiling that sunshine smile down at him. :lol:

Holy shit you are pressed.:tape::tape::tape:
you are still bitter at something I wrote 4 months ago.

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:01 PM
Caro gets more than enough attention and endorsements already, she already has that boost of being #1, adding slams on top of that will not change her world as much as it will for players that win a slam and have never been #1.

And seriously, two of the three slam winners this year actually back my point of why I´m worried, I don't want to see Caro end up like Li Na, one big title and after that it's just scrambles.

I think it all goes down to how you see the year. You and other people who rate slams so much higher see the other tournaments as a mere preparation for the slams. For me, the slams are part of the tour, they´re the most important yes but they´re just part of a full season.

Have you seen me get crazy excited when she made the USO SF this? No... I just don't get this extreme overrating of slams, in the end it's just not that much different than a premier mandatory if you take away all the hype.

Slam winners come and go, there are four of them each year. I want her to be as high as possible on the all-time #1 week's list... because once you crack the 100/200 mark, that means you`ll stay there for a very long time. If she wins 1-2 slams and fades into obscurity she's forgotten in 20 years.

Great post. I totally agree with you.
Best is always the first place. Not third, fifth, seventh etc.
Saying that getting to no.1 is easy is the stupidest excuse ever fans of the slam winners tend to use for their favorites.
I mean if you look at their records, no wonder, the desperate situations require desperate measures.:oh:

polly
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:08 PM
how many weeks is caroline wozniacki number one

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:31 PM
how many weeks is caroline wozniacki number one
Too many. Hell, one week at #1 was too many given her lack of technical aptitude.

Jimmie48
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:32 PM
how many weeks is caroline wozniacki number one

54 :)

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:38 PM
54 and counting :bounce::wavey:

backhandsmash
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:38 PM
What does this tell you about the rest of the top 5?

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:41 PM
What does this tell you about the rest of the top 5?

it just tells us the top 5 split all the biggest tournaments this year :p

backhandsmash
Oct 27th, 2011, 08:44 PM
it just tells us the top 5 split all the biggest tournaments this year :p

You can do better than that, NA!

marineblue
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:54 PM
What does this tell you about the rest of the top 5?

Nothing bad at all. They're where they deserve to be. Behind.:p

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:45 PM
That's fine if we assume that it's also the weakest Top 10 ever. Otherwise somebody would have dethroned her.


vera, aga, petkovic, bartoli. then theres a shadow of her former self sharapova. it isn't exactly strong lets put it that way :help:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:04 AM
vera, aga, petkovic, bartoli. then theres a shadow of her former self sharapova. it isn't exactly strong lets put it that way :help:


And then there's your fave Kim who loses to the likes of Rus in Slams. Very unfortunate indeed :help: ;)

The Dawntreader
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:06 AM
And then there's your fave Kim who loses to the likes of Rus in Slams. Very unfortunate indeed :help: ;)

And the esteemed number 1 losing to Hantuchova and Cibulkova in back to back Slams. Don't even compare Saint Sin with Wozniacki, it's just embarrassing.

Patrick345
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:08 AM
And then there's your fave Kim who loses to the likes of Rus in Slams. Very unfortunate indeed :help: ;)

Wouldn´t the unfortunate part be that she does lose to Rus at Slams, but not to Caro? :oh:;)

ViceUltramontain
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:10 AM
And then there's your fave Kim who loses to the likes of Rus in Slams. Very unfortunate indeed :help: ;)

Oh Matty. Don't even try to bring Kim into this. Nobodies never do well when compared to legends.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:13 AM
And the esteemed number 1 losing to Hantuchova and Cibulkova in back to back Slams.


Yeah, because Rus is a so much better player than Hantuchova or Cibulkova :oh:

Try harder :wavey:

ViceUltramontain
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Yeah, because Rus is a so much better player than Hantuchova or Cibulkova :oh:

Try harder :wavey:

Kim was coming from injury. Plus Kim won a GS this year despite being as bad as you try to make her look.

The Dawntreader
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Yeah, because Rus is a so much better player than Hantuchova or Cibulkova :oh:

Try harder :wavey:

Since when was Hantuchova a clay court virtuoso? And since when was Cibulkova a grass court one at that? No one is doubting the sheer fuckery of the Rus result, but it's not like Wozniacki was being toppled by elite players.

Try generally.

sammy01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:20 AM
And then there's your fave Kim who loses to the likes of Rus in Slams. Very unfortunate indeed :help: ;)

kim could lose every match she ever plays again but it would make no difference, she is a 4 time slam champion and will be remembered as a great. anything she does as of now is just icing on the cake.

kim has nothing to prove unlike some players. to think kim had times when she had like 8 or 9 titles, slam final, wins over everyone and still only number 4. that is when you know the top 10 is strong.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:20 AM
Kim was coming from injury. Plus Kim won a GS this year despite being as bad as you try to make her look.


I'm not trying to make Kim look bad. She's won a Slam this year, fine, but what has she done this year otherwise?

And this thread is about Woz. Have you congratulated her already for finishing another season as #1?

ViceUltramontain
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:27 AM
I'm not trying to make Kim look bad. She's won a Slam this year, fine, but what has she done this year otherwise?

And this thread is about Woz. Have you congratulated her already for finishing another season as #1?

Kim got injured a lot. Excuse her for not playing while injured.

And yes, I did bow to Caro in that other thread. Great stuff :bounce:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:28 AM
And yes, I did bow to Caro in that other thread. Great stuff :bounce:


:yeah:

dsanders06
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Spare us.

Thank God the world ends next year.

No matter how you look at it, she has to be the weakest year end number one ever.

Undoubtedly. Her 2010 was already the weakest ever season for a year-ending #1, but her stats from that year look GOATly in comparison to this year. Last year, she atleast made it to 5 finals at Tier 1 tournaments or above (Indian Wells, Montreal, Tokyo, Beijing, YEC) ... this year, she only made two (Dubai and Indian Wells), and none since March :tape:

sammy01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:32 AM
I'm not trying to make Kim look bad. She's won a Slam this year, fine, but what has she done this year otherwise?

And this thread is about Woz. Have you congratulated her already for finishing another season as #1?

yeah of course you weren't, bringing up her match vs rus was obviously to make her look great :help:

kim finished the year ranked 13 with 8 tournaments played and she retired injured from 2 of them.

the current top 10 is very weak. serena and kim would both be there if they had played even just 3 or 4 more tournaments. that says it all in injury riddled years for both.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:42 AM
yeah of course you weren't, bringing up her match vs rus was obviously to make her look great :help:


And you are trying to make Woz look bad in every thread you post about her (which is in quite a lot of threads sadly).

sammy01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:46 AM
And you are trying to make Woz look bad in every thread you post about her (which is in quite a lot of threads sadly).

hey i gave stosur and kvitova credit this fall, i'm harsh but fair. look out for my positive post about caro if she ever truely shows she is worthy of her ranking.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:48 AM
hey i gave stosur and kvitova credit this fall, i'm harsh but fair. look out for my positive post about caro if she ever truely shows she is worthy of her ranking.


Fair about Caro? No I don't think so.

sammy01
Oct 28th, 2011, 12:53 AM
Fair about Caro? No I don't think so.

how am i supposed to judge a world number 1? she gets no credit from me for grinding through a new haven draw or playing more than others. i have standards that i hold players to when they attain certain rankings.

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:00 AM
how am i supposed to judge a world number 1? she gets no credit from me for grinding through a new haven draw or playing more than others. i have standards that i hold players to when they attain certain rankings.


Exactly. You give her no credit and are always mocking her. You harp on her ranking position and refuse to understand why is #1 and not our precious Fiona who you never forget to praise for her big wins :tape: But probably that's only because you have such low expectations for a #12. A #12 who has won a Slam, wow that must be really something :lol:

Uranus
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:32 AM
how am i supposed to judge a world number 1? she gets no credit from me for grinding through a new haven draw or playing more than others. i have standards that i hold players to when they attain certain rankings.
You're right. Quality of play and opponents matters. Caro got there the easy way. She has a smart schedule that allows her to gather a maximum of points facing weaker competition. And as I said earlier, she's still more consistent than most players and has been really lucky with injuries so far.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:46 AM
Now just lose to both Vera and Petra and be done with the season :ras:

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Matt01
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:52 AM
You're right. Quality of play and opponents matters. Caro got there the easy way. She has a smart schedule that allows her to gather a maximum of points facing weaker competition. And as I said earlier, she's still more consistent than most players and has been really lucky with injuries so far.


Nice that you are giving her some credit. She has been unlucky with injuries last year, though. And I wouldn't call her schedule smart since she still plays too many tournaments for a #1.

Uranus
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:03 PM
That's the only way she's there though :shrug:.

And in comparison with the other top players, she sure hasn't been injured a lot.

All this is true, don't start telling me Caro plays like a real number one, provides the best level of play.

Londoner
Oct 28th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Undoubtedly. Her 2010 was already the weakest ever season for a year-ending #1, but her stats from that year look GOATly in comparison to this year. Last year, she atleast made it to 5 finals at Tier 1 tournaments or above (Indian Wells, Montreal, Tokyo, Beijing, YEC) ... this year, she only made two (Dubai and Indian Wells), and none since March :tape:

And that is the nub of this - those stats are shocking for a No 1. Absolutely shocking and embarassing.

No one disputes CW is No 1 according to some points system, but simply that she is very far from being the best player bringing the best tennis to the court, and it is embarassing for her and the Tour.

However, I think that 2011 will be her last year as No 1.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 28th, 2011, 06:45 PM
I think Caro will probably lose #1 in Australia ... Petra and Vika are very close to #1 and don't have many points to defend :shrug:

sakya23
Oct 28th, 2011, 07:19 PM
She earned the points, it's not her fault no one else was consistent enough to overtake her.

marineblue
Oct 28th, 2011, 08:07 PM
how am i supposed to judge a world number 1? she gets no credit from me for grinding through a new haven draw or playing more than others. i have standards that i hold players to when they attain certain rankings.


:happy:Standards is a too nice name for it. You have your bias which you try to present as standards but it's far from it.
Your 'standards' get interestingly lower when it comes to players you try to hype up all the time.