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rimon
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:56 AM
What do these two have in common? They were both known to be great chokers, but made immense improvements to overcome this.

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:15 PM
They also look pretty manly, as well as can't play well in their home slam.:shrug:

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:17 PM
I admit that I instantly thought about something very different when reading the title... ;)

Alwaysfan
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:20 PM
Lesbian and TOP Players

Julian.
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:20 PM
I admit that I instantly thought about something very different when reading the title... ;)

:sobbing: You must be talking about their sexuality. :smash:

bandabou
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:24 PM
:lol: Is Stosur lesbian too?! Mannn!! Or are these just silly rumors? Hmmm...

bandabou
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:25 PM
nah..Stosur beating Serena in a major final. :eek:

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:26 PM
:lol: Is Stosur lesbian too?! Mannn!! Or are these just silly rumors? Hmmm...

I think it's pretty much the worse-kept secret on the tour, isn't it? Isn't her girlfriend even in her box sometimes? If she is, I would love for her to come out to send a positive signal to other players who have to hide :)

I just realized the topic was opened by a user who made some homophobic statements before...so I think the intend was to hint as this fact.

SilverPersian
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:29 PM
They are both lovely people who deserve privacy and respect is probably the main similarity.

L'Enfant Sauvage
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Great servers who always had potential winning a slam late in their career? Also, winning their first slam on a surface other than their best?

hkyen
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Lesbian and TOP Players

:lol::lol::lol: how to know

Mistress of Evil
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:35 PM
They both have unique playing styles in today's games and are kinda masculine, too. :shrug:

GS2
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:40 PM
Has Stosur really been known as a choker in the same way Mauresmo was?

Mauresmo first made the top 10 in 1999 and didn't win a slam until 2006 but was always in the running for it but never seemed to make the breakthrough then came YEC 2005 and two slams in 2006. Mauresmo always seemed to have the game but never the mind.

For most of her career Stosur has looked pretty ordinary (the illness didn't help) not really a contender for slams and it's only in the last year or so she's put her game together effectively enough to win a slam. I don't think the choking has really been the problem - after all before her US win she'd only had two or three deep runs at a slam - it was more she wasn't good enough.

flareon
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:46 PM
I admit that I instantly thought about something very different when reading the title... ;)

me too ;)

pesto
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Has Stosur really been known as a choker in the same way Mauresmo was?

Kind of, I'd say. Mauresmo showed stunning promise early on, whereas Sam took much, much longer to develop into a decent player, but Sam lost five finals before winning one - it really did look as though she would always freeze on the big occasion.

I almost think it was an advantage for her playing Serena. Against Schiavone, she was expected to win, and her form coming into the final had been blistering. No-one gave her a snowball in hell's chance against Serena, so the pressure was off. Maybe yesterday was a bit like that, too.

rimon
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:04 PM
I think it's pretty much the worse-kept secret on the tour, isn't it? Isn't her girlfriend even in her box sometimes? If she is, I would love for her to come out to send a positive signal to other players who have to hide :)

I just realized the topic was opened by a user who made some homophobic statements before...so I think the intend was to hint as this fact.

Excuse me?

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:40 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=445434

Calling lesbians "dykes" etc., it's pretty obvious that you´re a very close minded person when it comes to homosexuality. How's your "sister" doing, by the way?

rimon
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:42 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=445434

Calling lesbians "dykes" etc., it's pretty obvious that you´re a very close minded person when it comes to homosexuality. How's your "sister" doing, by the way?

Because I have heard them call themselves that before. If you go back to when I was young, that term didn't even exist. My sister has lymphoma by the way. Thanks for your concern.

This thread has nothing to do with lesbianism.

Bismarck.
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:45 PM
This thread has nothing to do with lesbianism.

Sure. We all believe that one.

rimon
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:53 PM
Sure. We all believe that one.

Good, I'm glad. Now let's get back to the original point.

bandabou
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:10 PM
I think it's pretty much the worse-kept secret on the tour, isn't it? Isn't her girlfriend even in her box sometimes? If she is, I would love for her to come out to send a positive signal to other players who have to hide :)

I just realized the topic was opened by a user who made some homophobic statements before...so I think the intend was to hint as this fact.

Ok, ok...I guess because she hasn't officialy come out of the closet it, as to speak...:lol: Even more in common with Momo then. :eek: :bolt:

Talula
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:18 PM
I think Amelie was far more talented and a much better natural player.

And for those taking pot shots at her/Sam's sexuality, enough! I saw Amelie in person several times, and she did NOT look like a man. She was actually very elegant and beautiful. And had a lovely personality which shone through. I also saw Sam at Eastbourne this year and she looks perfectly normal, nothing like a man. I think people have to remember that the TV camera makes people look bigger than they are. The camera distorts people. None of the players look as big in person. The only player I have seen who looks worse in person is Melanie Oudin who I saw at Wimbledon this year. I wont say what she reminded me of.

vixter
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Ok, ok...I guess because she hasn't officialy come out of the closet it, as to speak...:lol: Even more in common with Momo then. :eek: :bolt:

:confused: Mauresmo came out officially during AO1999 if I'm correct...

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:25 PM
:confused: Mauresmo came out officially during AO1999 if I'm correct...

Yep, and she's the last top player to do so I think.

Regarding her looks, I never thought she looked masculine, she's pretty attractive.

Tatcher
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:26 PM
Mauresmo had much more beautiful game

hablo
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:49 PM
I miss Momo's game. :sad:

Beat
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:49 PM
They are both lovely people who deserve privacy and respect is probably the main similarity.

thank you :yeah:

BlueTrees
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Both are lesbians. Although Mauresmo was open yet Sam remains closeted.

Shivank17
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Both wear sleeve-less to show off their biceps. :oh:

améliemomo
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:14 PM
she has absolutly NOTHING in common with amélie.

not the same game (one handed backhand, great slice, great touch and flair)

beating a pré-retired serena in a us open final doesnt make you a great player. :rolleyes:

Pathetic game against Azarenka right now.:help: wondering how screampova lost to her. Ah yes, I know, she sucks.

Shivank17
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:16 PM
she has absolutly NOTHING in common with amélie.

not the same game (one handed backhand, great slice, great touch and flair)

beating a pré-retired serena in a us open final doesnt make you a great player. :rolleyes:

Pathetic game against Azarenka right now.:help: wondering how screampova lost to her. Ah yes, I know, she sucks.

Sam can slice pretty well. :shrug:

But,how can you say 'pre-retired Rena' , Rena was thrashing everyone left and right before the Finals,Sam certainly has asserted herself as a 'great player' :rolleyes:

améliemomo
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:21 PM
^Sam can slice pretty well. :shrug:

But,how can you say 'pre-retired Rena' , Rena was thrashing everyone left and right before the Finals,Sam certainly has asserted herself as a 'great player' :rolleyes:

do you play tennis? the shot stosur is making is certainly NOT a real slice.

ok but how do you explain her awful showing against Azarenka?she won US Open but got beaten two times in a row by a player like Kirilenko. Good player but nothing great.

she still has everything to prove imo.

Shivank17
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:28 PM
do you play tennis? the shot stosur is making is certainly NOT a real slice.

ok but how do you explain her awful showing against Azarenka?she won US Open but got beaten two times in a row by a player like Kirilenko. Good player but nothing great.

she still has everything to prove imo.

Its not as if Amelie Mauresmo won all the matches after winning the slams. :shrug:

And I do play tennis. If its not a slice,then what is it?(Congratulations,yes you invented a new shot. :lol: ) Maybe its not old-school,but it is a slice. :angel:

And after winning the first slam every body is under a bit of pressure,see what happened to Li and even Kvitova had a slight slump period between Wimbly and Linz.

Kairi
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:29 PM
they both love seafood? :confused:

améliemomo
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Its not as if Amelie Mauresmo won all the matches after winning the slams. :shrug:

And I do play tennis. If its not a slice,then what is it?(Congratulations,yes you invented a new shot. :lol: ) Maybe its not old-school,but it is a slice. :angel:

And after winning the first slam every body is under a bit of pressure,see what happened to Li and even Kvitova had a slight slump period between Wimbly and Linz.

no actually amélie won YEC , Australian Open and Wimbledon back to back so no they are not in the same situation.

the difference is that these days there is no dominant player, the williams not there 2/3 of the year, clijsters always injured not playing at all since post AO. Stosur should have confirmed her US Open win but she doesnt cause she cant.

her loss against azarenka today just confirm that reality. The fact the others not being able to confirm their slam win show how weak this tour is. No real champion to take control of it.:rolleyes:

pov
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Just amazed at those who think Stosur looks "manly." My calendar says it's 2011 but apparently it really isn't.

GAGAlady
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:55 PM
I think if she is gay it would be nice to perhaps be a trailblazer for othe typing men and women tennis players who would look to et as an example and come out and how that, yes, it's okay to be gay and be a good role model for our young gay and lesbian players who we know exist worldwide. Would be nice... I would instantly become a fan. But that takes guts and courage . Even today with our society changing for the better

pav
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:06 PM
no actually amélie won YEC , Australian Open and Wimbledon back to back so no they are not in the same situation.

the difference is that these days there is no dominant player, the williams not there 2/3 of the year, clijsters always injured not playing at all since post AO. Stosur should have confirmed her US Open win but she doesnt cause she cant.

her loss against azarenka today just confirm that reality. The fact the others not being able to confirm their slam win show how weak this tour is. No real champion to take control of it.:rolleyes:
But ,why oh why do we want a dominant player:confused:nothing worse than knowing who is going to win nearly every tournament.

Philbo
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:33 PM
no actually amélie won YEC , Australian Open and Wimbledon back to back so no they are not in the same situation.

the difference is that these days there is no dominant player, the williams not there 2/3 of the year, clijsters always injured not playing at all since post AO. Stosur should have confirmed her US Open win but she doesnt cause she cant.

her loss against azarenka today just confirm that reality. The fact the others not being able to confirm their slam win show how weak this tour is. No real champion to take control of it.:rolleyes:

Back to back? Amelie won those tournaments, Aus Open - January, Wimbledon - July, YEC - Oct/Nov. In between she lost 3 times to Kuznetsova, lost to Schiavone, Petrova, Vaidisova (twice!), Dechy and Hantuchova. Stosur hasnt had a chance to play a slam since her initial win so I think you're a bit premature in writing her off.

sammy01
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:37 PM
They are both lovely people who deserve privacy and respect is probably the main similarity.

i find comments like this annoying, not that they are lovely people, that they deserve privacy. i mean they are harping on about li na's husband right now and sharapova's BF, no one is saying we shouldn't talk about that and they deserve privacy.

Juju Nostalgique
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Their Lezzinezz? :sobbing:

hablo
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:51 PM
Back to back? Amelie won those tournaments, Aus Open - January, Wimbledon - July, YEC - Oct/Nov. In between she lost 3 times to Kuznetsova, lost to Schiavone, Petrova, Vaidisova (twice!), Dechy and Hantuchova. Stosur hasnt had a chance to play a slam since her initial win so I think you're a bit premature in writing her off.

Momo also won Paris indoors and Antwerp in between the AO and Wimbledon in 2006 or does this not fit in with your argument? :rolleyes:

Sammo
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:57 PM
They also look pretty manly, as well as can't play well in their home slam.:shrug:

Says a Serena fan.

Kairi
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:04 PM
^ replies a Stosur fan? :spit: ..seen the YEC photoshoot pics lately? :facepalm:

dybbuk
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:05 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=445434

Calling lesbians "dykes" etc., it's pretty obvious that you´re a very close minded person when it comes to homosexuality. How's your "sister" doing, by the way?

Omg that thread. :hysteric: That was an amazing laugh. rimon posting SEVEN straight times. Learn to multi-quote, hun. 7 straight times verges on spamming. The "discrimination against straight people" post. :bigcry: How did I miss this thread before.

Sammo
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:08 PM
^ replies a Stosur fan? :spit: ..seen the YEC photoshoot pics lately? :facepalm:

Stosur looks like a musculous woman, Serena looks like Tyson :shrug:

améliemomo
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Momo also won Paris indoors and Antwerp in between the AO and Wimbledon in 2006 or does this not fit in with your argument? :rolleyes:

lol not perhaps not.

How many title has Stosur won in her career? she's 27 now. Winning the US Open was great performance by her but she hasnt changed herself with one win. Losing to someone like kirilenko twice and now being trashed by Azarenka showing very very poor tennis dont speack in her favour.

she's still so unpredicatble with many up and down so no she isnt like Mauresmo who was very consistent during her career. Since 2007 she dropped down because of abdominal injury. She wasnt the same player anymore.


Stosur is at her peak and should play better than that.

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Since 2007 she dropped down because of abdominal injury. She wasnt the same player anymore.


:baby:

améliemomo
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:57 PM
:baby:

I'll laugh big when your fave will face crucial injury. Wont wait too much I think...

timafi
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:07 PM
I like both Amelie and Sam.They are 2 different people with completely different games.One was an ALL surface player and the other one is working on becoming an ALL surface player :shrug:

Both are well mannered;polite and do charity work without it being in the news and neither can be accused of partying their asses off while they should be playing after claiming "injury" and neither will ever be accused of holding their hands up in the middle of a rally during a grand slam final.

Amelie was in the top 10 for 10 straight years and has won Masters Series;Won a YEC + 2 YEC finals;Won 2 slams + 1 final.1 Silver Medal in Athens.Won Fed Cup.Was World #1 twice this is a LOT more than a lot of idiots here and current (French) players can ever claim to have achieved :tape:

they had/have their weaknesses as far as being tennis players but at the end of the day they are respectable players and most of all people :hatoff:

Why isn't Rimon banned from this site for good.How much more bigotry do we have to tolerate? :mad:

AmeDevotee
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:10 PM
I wouldn't say there's that much resemblance gamewise, but they're both great athletes with quiet personalities who prefer to let their tennis do the talking. :)

Also, they've both overcome a tendency to freeze on the big occasion and won their slams. :yeah:

améliemomo
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:12 PM
I like both Amelie and Sam.They are 2 different people with completely different games.One was an ALL surface player and the other one is working on becoming an ALL surface player :shrug:

Both are well mannered;polite and do charity work without it being in the news and neither can be accused of partying their asses off while they should be playing after claiming "injury" and neither will ever be accused of holding their hands up in the middle of a rally during a grand slam final.

Amelie was in the top 10 for 10 straight years and has won Masters Series;Won a YEC + 2 YEC finals;Won 2 slams + 1 final.1 Silver Medal in Athens.Won Fed Cup.Was World #1 twice this is a LOT more than a lot of idiots here and current (French) players can ever claim to have achieved :tape:

they had/have their weaknesses as far as being tennis players but at the end of the day they are respectable players and most of all people :hatoff:

Why isn't Rimon banned from this site for good.How much more bigotry do we have to tolerate? :mad:

chapeau bas:hatoff:

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:16 PM
I'll laugh big when your fave will face crucial injury. Wont wait too much I think...


My fave retired because of injury this year so you're too late already :rolleyes:

And I was not laughing about your fave's inury but laughing about your stupid excuse.

Raiden
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:30 PM
What do these two have in common? They were both known to be great chokers, but made immense improvements to overcome this.Not sure that Mauresmo "overcame" that much. She won her slam late in her career but that's due to circumstances (not because she suddenly changed her attitude or anything like that). Stosur on the other hand had to change cuz she was clearly depressed after the unexpected loss to Schiavone in '2010. And so she had to get over that and get her head in balance in order to be capable of a feat like opening up a can of whoop-ass on Serena in a slam final.

AmeDevotee
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:47 PM
Not sure that Mauresmo "overcame" that much. She won her slam late in her career but that's due to circumstances (not because she suddenly changed her attitude or anything like that). Stosur on the other hand had to change cuz she was clearly depressed after the unexpected loss to Schiavone in '2010. And so she had to get over that and get her head in balance in order to be capable of a feat like opening up a can of whoop-ass on Serena in a slam final.

I disagree. Amelie's attitude changed after winning the YEC in 2005. In the AO 06 final she was leading 6-1 2-0 and I believe she would have gone on to win anyway. She then proved it wasn't a fluke by beating the same final opponent at Wimbledon. :)

tennisforadults
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:40 PM
How many title has Stosur won in her career? she's 27 now. Winning the US Open was great performance by her but she hasnt changed herself with one win. Losing to someone like kirilenko twice and now being trashed by Azarenka showing very very poor tennis dont speack in her favour.

No one said Sam and Amelie were the same players. The OP simply asked what they had in common. If you don't think they have much in common, move on instead of getting all upset and turning this into a Sam bashing thread.

Everyone looks bad when they have an off day, especially against an opponent they have never beaten. You talk like Amelie was absolutely unbeatable during her heyday - wrong.

tennisforadults
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:52 PM
i find comments like this annoying, not that they are lovely people, that they deserve privacy. i mean they are harping on about li na's husband right now and sharapova's BF, no one is saying we shouldn't talk about that and they deserve privacy.

Gossipping about li na's husband and sharapova's BF (who both exist and are public knowledge) is somewhat different from calling Sam and Amelie manly and speculating about Sam's "girlfried"??? This is a tennis forum - shouldn't we talk about tennis primarily?

sammy01
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Gossipping about li na's husband and sharapova's BF (who both exist and are public knowledge) is somewhat different from calling Sam and Amelie manly and speculating about Sam's "girlfried"??? This is a tennis forum - shouldn't we talk about tennis primarily?

the manly thing i wasn't talking about, i just mean that people talk about sharapova's bf all the time, why should talking about stosur's "girlfriend" be a bad thing? look at all the gossip about caro and rory before they were 'official' people didn't say anything about that.

mauresmofan
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:45 PM
They also look pretty manly, as well as can't play well in their home slam.:shrug:

Yeah and Serena is a dainty little princess....

mauresmofan
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:51 PM
Not sure that Mauresmo "overcame" that much. She won her slam late in her career but that's due to circumstances (not because she suddenly changed her attitude or anything like that). Stosur on the other hand had to change cuz she was clearly depressed after the unexpected loss to Schiavone in '2010. And so she had to get over that and get her head in balance in order to be capable of a feat like opening up a can of whoop-ass on Serena in a slam final.

Yeah that's due to her playing terrific tennis late on in Grand Slams and controlling her nerves at key moments. Lord Jebus, Buddah and all the super friends know much us Amélie fans suffered throughout her career when push came to shove and she just couldn't hold it together so don't say circumstances changed because they didn't, what did change was her attitude catching up with her skill level on 3 of the worlds biggest stages capturing 2 Slams and a YEC in the space of 12 months (actually less).

Bashak
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:43 PM
I don't think it's wise to wish that top tennis players came out officially. They play all over the world, not just in France, the USA or the UK. And all over the world is not exactly a safe place for gays and lesbians. They are playing in Turkey this week for god's sake! Do you know how many out lesbian public figures are in Turkey? NONE. The "minister of women and family" has declared homosexulity an illness not too long ago. Gay murders are not at all rare in Turkey. There are no gay and lesbian rights acknowledged by the state. Forget gay marriage, the state does not even try to protect their right to live and not get shot. If a player were to come out I would advise him/her to get a security guard in Turkey. So, until all the wta tournament states have the same legislations on the gay and lesbian issue, I kind of prefer everyone to stay vague about their business. Much props to Amélie for being brave enough to come out.

stromatolite
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:36 AM
I think it's a nice comparison precisely because there are interesting similarities and differences. Both are late bloomers in the sense that they achieved their best results late in their career, both probably could have achieved much more if they had believed in themselves a bit more, both are modest and good-natured women who seem to be well-liked by their peers and others involved in the game. Their style of play is very different, and even as a Stosur fan I would say Amelie has a more refined and elegant game, while Sam's game is more robust and physical (as many have remarked, she playes a style of tennis more common in the men's game than in women's tennis). Finally I think Sam's game has changed and become more varied over time than was the case with Amelie (by which I'm not suggesting that her game is more varied than Amelie's, but rather that she lacked variety earlier on), which is part of the reason she is having more success now than earlier in her career.

Philbo
Oct 27th, 2011, 09:47 AM
Momo also won Paris indoors and Antwerp in between the AO and Wimbledon in 2006 or does this not fit in with your argument? :rolleyes:
I dont really have an argument as such. The person I replied to used the term 'back to back' to describe wins in those 3 big events so I was just pointing out that inbetween those good wins, Momo had her fair share of losses similar to the Kirilenko post US Open losses.

lol not perhaps not.

How many title has Stosur won in her career? she's 27 now. Winning the US Open was great performance by her but she hasnt changed herself with one win. Losing to someone like kirilenko twice and now being trashed by Azarenka showing very very poor tennis dont speack in her favour.

she's still so unpredicatble with many up and down so no she isnt like Mauresmo who was very consistent during her career. Since 2007 she dropped down because of abdominal injury. She wasnt the same player anymore.


Stosur is at her peak and should play better than that.
As a big fan of Momo throughout her career, I find it interesting that you saw her as consistent, and I saw her as woefully INCONSISTENT. With her natural talent, she really should have finished up with more than 2 slams if she were as consistent as you seem to think she was. There were many matches where I just threw my hands up in exasperation wondering if she'd EVER get it together and win a slam. As it turned out, she got it together for 1 good year.

Also, I think Stosur fans just need to be prepared for the fact that she will always have some bad losses. Sam plays better wtih more matches under her belt. I dont care if she loses early in small events so long as she finds form for the slams.

stromatolite
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:01 AM
she has absolutly NOTHING in common with amélie.

not the same game (one handed backhand, great slice, great touch and flair)

beating a pré-retired serena in a us open final doesnt make you a great player. :rolleyes:

Pathetic game against Azarenka right now.:help: wondering how screampova lost to her. Ah yes, I know, she sucks.

You disqualify yourself as a serious discussant by bringing up Sam's most recent two matches in what is supposed to be an analysis of her entire career. I'm sure Momo never had any losses she would prefer to forget? If you think Amelie was a better player overall than Sam just say so, it's a legitimate opinion. But don't fool yourself into thinking you make her look better by throwing irrelevant insults at Sam.

améliemomo
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:40 AM
You disqualify yourself as a serious discussant by bringing up Sam's most recent two matches in what is supposed to be an analysis of her entire career. I'm sure Momo never had any losses she would prefer to forget? If you think Amelie was a better player overall than Sam just say so, it's a legitimate opinion. But don't fool yourself into thinking you make her look better by throwing irrelevant insults at Sam.


Just go and read my first post in that thread. I answered they have nothing in common because of too different game style. As for the "insult" if saying Stosur was pathetic against Azarenka is an insult , more than 2/3 of this forum is insulting her:rolleyes:
she played crap since her US OPEN win , it's the truth and you can NOT deny it, slam or not. So yes she dicredit herself after such a big win such as a slam. That's why I said Amélie proved more after her slam wins. And yes she was more consistent than Stosur, always winning titles during one season, and big one but go and check her palmares, and stats you'll see by yourself.

Stosur managed to grap a slam but is she able to confirm it after? dont think so even in a such poor wta tour with no real champions competing the way they should. No they have nothing in common. I see more comparison with someone like Schiavone or Li concerning Stosur.

Langers
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:51 AM
Rubbish thread, we all know what you're angling at.

Pops Maellard
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:54 AM
This is such a loaded thread :lol:.

Pops Maellard
Oct 27th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Has Stosur really been known as a choker in the same way Mauresmo was?

Her finals record is 3-10 :shrug:.

stromatolite
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Just go and read my first post in that thread. I answered they have nothing in common because of too different game style. As for the "insult" if saying Stosur was pathetic against Azarenka is an insult , more than 2/3 of this forum is insulting her:rolleyes:
she played crap since her US OPEN win , it's the truth and you can NOT deny it, slam or not. So yes she dicredit herself after such a big win such as a slam. That's why I said Amélie proved more after her slam wins. And yes she was more consistent than Stosur, always winning titles during one season, and big one but go and check her palmares, and stats you'll see by yourself.

Stosur managed to grap a slam but is she able to confirm it after? dont think so even in a such poor wta tour with no real champions competing the way they should. No they have nothing in common. I see more comparison with someone like Schiavone or Li concerning Stosur.

You are missing the point, I suspect deliberately, so I'll give it one more try. To insult Sam about yesterday's loss in a thread related to that match is relevant, but to do so in a thread like this which is supposed to compare careers is completely irrelevant. If you're not being wilfully ignorant but really don't see the difference I really don't know what else I can say. If you believe Amelie was a better player than Sam I'm fine with that, and based on Sam's achievements so far I would even agree with you. But (my second point which you also missed) you are only doing Amelie a disservice if you think it is necessary to insult another player to make her look good. This is something she herself would never do or approve of. A lovely person like her deserves a better class of fan.

bandabou
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:39 AM
:confused: Mauresmo came out officially during AO1999 if I'm correct...

I know..but Stosur is yet to do so, right?

tennisforadults
Oct 27th, 2011, 11:57 AM
she played crap since her US OPEN win , it's the truth and you can NOT deny it, slam or not.

The only thing we can't deny is how PRESSED you are.

1 tournament Final and a first win over an opponent she has lost to 9 times - sounds like a reasonable achievement to me. Truth has a pro-Sam bias it seems. :oh:

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:23 PM
I know..but Stosur is yet to do so, right?

Yeah, but you said that 'not coming out officially' was a thing they had in common. I guess you just meant that they are both lesbians. :)

laurie
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Has Stosur really been known as a choker in the same way Mauresmo was?

Mauresmo first made the top 10 in 1999 and didn't win a slam until 2006 but was always in the running for it but never seemed to make the breakthrough then came YEC 2005 and two slams in 2006. Mauresmo always seemed to have the game but never the mind.

For most of her career Stosur has looked pretty ordinary (the illness didn't help) not really a contender for slams and it's only in the last year or so she's put her game together effectively enough to win a slam. I don't think the choking has really been the problem - after all before her US win she'd only had two or three deep runs at a slam - it was more she wasn't good enough.

Indeed, Mauresmo was always considered a talented player who should be winning major tournaments and finally matured round age 26, she was ready to do it.

Stosur reminds me much more of her compatriot Pat Rafter. Rafter was never considered a major contender, he lost 6 or 7 ATP finals in a row at one stage, then it all clicked for him in 1997 and he went on to French Open semis and US Open victory age 25. He became a household name and defended his US Open title and got to two Wimbledon finals, but he actually only won 11 tournaments in his entire career, he was considered a hardworker with exceptional volleys, but talent wise just below the very best.

I don't know how many singles tournaments Stosur has won but it's not more than 10 at this stage? Stosur has very much copied the Rafter kick serve, that was his signature shot, and for a woman Stosur gets incredible kick on her serve. Whereas Mauresmo, like Clijsters already had a very successful singles career before winning her first major tournament.

SilverPersian
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:31 PM
I don't how many singles tournaments Stosur has won but it's not more than 10 at this stage?

...3 :sad:

laurie
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:36 PM
...3 :sad:

3???

vixter
Oct 27th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Regarding as to whether someone looks "manly" or not...
People inulting the other one's favourite left and right...
A common word in gay community is butch.
It's not so much about how big muscles you have. We all know both Serena, Samantha and Amelie have big muscles..no big deal..
I think it's more about the way you walk, the way you stand, talk, they way you hold yourself. I think Serena is very feminine, not butch at all. Stosur being pretty neutral to me, neither boyish nor girlish, while Amelie being the most butch of this group because she walks a little bit manly. Still I don't she's that butch because she's an athlete with very slim body, and in photoshoots and interviews she comes off as pretty feminine and soft I think.

So I actually think none of these three girls are that manly or butch.. :) Just very strong!