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Dexter
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:39 PM
:yeah:

Vee Williams
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
good stuff from Sam!

eck
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
:yeah:

Adrian.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Masha :smash::o
I guess it was the best match today :oh:

Madoka
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
omg -_-

new low for masha ??

again horrible performance at serve...

John.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Wow! Great resul for Sam

Cakeisgood
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Maria, you suck.

Sexysova
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
what a brilliant choke in that second set by Maria :yeah:

congrats Stosur :lol:

Shinjiro
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
:worship: At last a win against Masha! I know one can always dream, but wouldn't it be nice to see her go all the way just like Fed did in 2003. :sobbing:

killerqueen
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Marghhghfhhd I'm so pissy now. 3-0 40-0 up in the second. Against her pigeon too! :(

Novichok
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Maria :haha::haha::haha:

Johnbert
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
all those povatards before the match... omg :lol:

stevos
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Fuck, Maria, those backhand returns in the last game! Where did your technique go?
Oh well. Can't expect too much in her first match back in awhile.
But please get it together. :sobbing:

Congrats Sam.

SwingVolley93
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Weird match :cuckoo: Sam looks so fit.

GoofyDuck
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Maria was absoluteley terrible and still almost won the 2nd set..

Sam does not deserve to advance :o

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Samantha was on fire today, loved her confidence throughout the match :cheer: Also first win over Masha :D Please make the semis :D

flareon
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
That last game sam wanted to choke so badly, but well played I was impressed with her forehand I think she is the dark horse for this.
Maria :facepalm: please get better this is going to be tough now to make semis...

Noctis
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
She wouldnt beat Vika

hablo
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Sharpie looked like she was going to cry at the end of the match. :o:tape:

Well done, Stosur. :shrug:

Coconut91
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
OMFG :lol:
Very well deserved win for Sam. Really amazing. :lol: :worship:

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
that was terrible from Masha :facepalm:

saul1333
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Good stuff :yeah:

Fighterpova
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Well it had to happen :shrug:
Sam was the better player today :shrug:

Masha,s till not recovered :hug:
:wavey: SF :awww:

Craig.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Totally saw this coming. I never before felt worried before one of Maria's matches against Sam, but this time was different. Oh well. Well done Sam. Try to qualify Maria.

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Maria :facepalm:

Sam will advance for sure from this group now :sobbing:

Marionated
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Finally!

Sam :banana: :yeah:

Adrian.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
BTW, congrats on Caro staying #1 :worship::tape:

C. Drone
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
its the end of the world as we know it,

and i dont feel fine. :weirdo:

nevetssllim
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Oh Maria - that was awful. :facepalm:

rnwerner
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
18 W - 17 UE from Stosur with 74% 1st serve.
Good match from her.
Finally a win against Sharapova.

Sharapova was at 17 W - 30 UE.
The first set was bad as expected, second was better but not enough.

Stosur has now good chances to win against LI and reaches semifinal.

dsanders06
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
:haha: :facepalm:

Please atleast beat Li, Maria :unsure:

Welcome1
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:41 PM
nice!)

Adal
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Oh Maria :sobbing:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Just waiting on the Stosur fans to brag about how good she really is compared to Maria :lol: Enjoy it while you can, but I still take the other 9 wins :dance:

The first set was mess by Maria, I knew it she's not ready to take YEC with that kind of form. She stands no chance against Li and Azarenka playing like that, but she'll be back and causing more trouble, so stay tuned ;)

hankqq
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
You have to figure it was going to happen sooner or later :shrug: Stosur is too good of a player to lose to Sharapova every time :lol: Now that Stosur knows she can win, I wonder how their future matches go...

Fantasy Hero
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
such a bad quality :lol: though i'm happy Maria lost

Mistress of Evil
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Martha has no business showing up here, her form is abysmal :help: losing to "a joke" like Stosur just clarifies it :yeah:

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Nice to get a win for Stosur. When she reflects upon this latter part of the season, winning a slam and getting a win over Maria will put her in good stead for 2011.

Shame for Maria that she was dfing at key points again and then couldn't capitalise on those break points.

Good luck to both in other matches.

Adrian.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
all those povatards before the match... omg :lol:

shut up lucky b**ch :o
Only because the Woz was lucky to win today, doesn't mean she is the better player :o :mad: :o

Sammo
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
:woohoo:

That tranny was just lucky :o

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/05/29/1225872/765416-sam-stosur.jpg

Yeah that 6'2 tranny with moustache was lucky to win 6 games

Dexter
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Looking forward to Kvitova - Stosur final.

Londoner
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Oh dear. Keep on trucking Maria then rest up for the assault on 2012.

poulao
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Congratulation Sam :yeah:

PovaFans :hug: This was not on the menu :lol:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:43 PM
all those povatards before the match... omg :lol:

Enjoy this one, hater, while you can :wavey:

SilverPersian
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Good job Sammy :cheer::cheer::cheer:

Puts her in a good position to match her SF appearance from last year.

Belmont Lad
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Very rusty from Maria. No rhythm at all to any aspect of her game today, could not even put away a 3-0 40-0 advantage in that second set. :shrug:

misty1
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:43 PM
this is bad

OoohBarracuda
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Sam! :woohoo: What a time to finally beat Maria.

Vee Williams
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:44 PM
sharapova might beat li, but azarenka will be tough if her form doesn't improve

Feyd
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:44 PM
BraindeadPova at 3-0 40-00 up. :facepalm:

tennis-insomniac
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:44 PM
Nice job Sam :)

Maria :hug: she really looked out of place, that happens with long rest from competition.

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:44 PM
Maria's first match since but still... 3-0* 40-0 freaking wasted horribly. :o

This should have gone 3 in an absolute demo... Grrrr...

Johnbert
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
shut up lucky b**ch :o
Only because the Woz was lucky to win today, doesn't mean she is the better player :o :mad: :o

angepisst, hm?! :kiss:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
:woohoo:



Yeah that 6'2 tranny with moustache was lucky to win 6 games

Enjoy it, hater, while you can :wavey:

Balltossovic
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Feel bad for Masha, but I was rooting for Sam. I want her or Petra to win this whole thing.

Sam's FH was to die for in this match.

Reptilia
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Get it together, Maria. :help:


Congrats Sam, quite a turnaround in metal strength. But I guess Maria made it pretty easy for her in the end :o

oomph
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
what a brilliant choke in that second set by Maria :yeah:

congrats Stosur :lol:

Dumbs do you even know what a choke is? :facepalm:

First set was poova, second set was peakSam more or less.

:lol:

dadouch
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Great match. Bad Luck for Maria. I still think she will make it to the semis.

Coldfront
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Sammy! Great win :hearts:

Sucked in Maria, hehe :devil:

Stosur just outplayed you today

TennisFan66
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Oh YES :bigclap: and one more time :clap2:

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:46 PM
I guess Sharapova doesn't even want to try to be #1..fine by me. :)

GrafMariaPetraK
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:46 PM
Fucking dire from Maria lol:tape:

dragonflies
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:46 PM
I am not surprised about this result. More surprising how Sam managed to trail that far in the h2h though. The 2nd set was very good with both players hitting well and pumped. Much more entertaining than the Woz -Aga 's boring pushing.

SwingVolley93
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:47 PM
:woohoo:



Yeah that 6'2 tranny with moustache was lucky to win 6 games

:lol:

Stonerpova
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Good fighting from Mash, other than that not a lot of positives. Praying she still manages to advance

Adrian.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:47 PM
angepisst, hm?! :kiss:

Not really, I'm not her fan :shrug:
But Carotards came out of their holes after Radwanska lost to bitch around how good she is and so on..:help:
and now you are bitching about an player who was injured shortly, very classy indeed :bigwave::help:

Kairi
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:47 PM
:bigcry: i missed the match and logged on to the result :sobbing: WTF happened

Break My Rapture
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Pissed off and sad at the same time. Oh well, Maria playing like ass against Sam had to happen sometime I guess.

Just try to do better against Li then.

Keadz
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Just waiting on the Stosur fans to brag about how good she really is compared to Maria :lol: Enjoy it while you can, but I still take the other 9 wins :dance:


WTF.

anyway good win for Sam. I certainly didn't expect her to get over the line. I think a major difference today was that Maria wasn't reading her serve at all, she was changing directions and going for the body serve. Slice backhand was pretty awful, but she was good enough in defense to draw some errors from a rusty oppenant.

Just a smart match, not an outstanding performance. Did what she had to do :)

Hopefully she goes 3-0 and avoids Kvitova if she makes the semis.

Adrian.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:48 PM
I guess Sharapova doesn't even want to try to be #1..fine by me. :)

yeah, because your witch stays on #1 because all her opponents are injured or doesn't care playing full time :bigwave:

Big achievement :worship::oh:

Stamp Paid
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Maria you are better than this :lol:

Craig.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:49 PM
Maria you are better than this :lol:

So was Ree. :sad:

madmax
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:49 PM
Rusty ChokePoova gifts a match to her pigeon:haha:
Congrats to Sam, she needed this present and numerous chokes from Maria to finish this encounter

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:49 PM
I guess Sharapova doesn't even want to try to be #1..fine by me. :)

Fine by me too, keeping Woz in her illusion as long as possible and putting more pressure on winning that slam that's allegedly so irrelevent these days according to some of her fans :lol:

sunsets21
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Happy happy happy happy happy :inlove:

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Fine by me too, keeping Woz in her illusion as long as possible and putting more pressure on winning that slam that's allegedly so irrelevent these days according to some of her fans :lol:

It's no illusion, she manages to gets the results while others don't. Plus, with Sharapova you can't really make that point since she is neither #1 nor does she win slams.

So who's to blame here? Ah yes, It's always Caro, I forgot :)

faboozadoo15
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:51 PM
That was abysmal from Sharapova, but she had to lose to Sam sooner or later.

I hope she can somehow get revenge over Li and qualify with a win over Vika. Although going down in straight sets is the worst way to lose in this format.

WonderfulLee
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:51 PM
congrats Sam!

Vee Williams
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:52 PM
how does a thread about a match between sharapova and sam becomes a hate thread against caro?!?

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Dumbs do you even know what a choke is? :facepalm:

First set was poova, second set was peakSam more or less.

:lol:

:spit: Which peak Sam ?

:lol: Anyways that doesn't even deserve arguing... Maria was really more out rhythm than expected... well, that's how it goes.

Johnbert
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Not really, I'm not her fan :shrug:
But Carotards came out of their holes after Radwanska lost to bitch around how good she is and so on..:help:
and now you are bitching about an player who was injured shortly, very classy indeed :bigwave::help:

very classy was the thread "www" about this match. people said sam will get slaughtered, pova is gonna wipe up the court with her and sam just can't win against her. for them was a loss against sam totally unimaginable. in their opinion there is no opponents in this tournament, just victims. no surprise, the one or other feels spitefulness :shrug:

Laura_VeeFan
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Did that match just happen?

Maria :sobbing::help:

At least Stosur got one win over Maria in her career :oh:

Coldfront
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Just waiting on the Stosur fans to brag about how good she really is compared to Maria :lol: Enjoy it while you can, but I still take the other 9 wins :dance:


Haha, bitter much?

Your only as good as your last win :lol:

Siderophyre
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Dumbs do you even know what a choke is? :facepalm:

First set was poova, second set was peakSam more or less.

:lol:

Maria played poorly and Sam played well enough to win. She got to some balls she never would have last year and the backhand is really coming together. But certainly NOT peak Sam - just ask Bepa or Serena.

dsanders06
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:54 PM
LMAO at the Woztards celebrating :lol: Maria's still had a better season than her in case they haven't noticed, unless Wozniacki wins the YEC.

Although a lot of today's result was down to Maria's terrible play, I have to admit Sam was defending exceptionally well and using her backhand slice to really good effect (I kind of thought the way she was defending at the US Open was a one-off), which is obviously an effective play against Maria. Plus, she was mentally a lot more composed than she used to be. It's still a nightmare match-up for Stosur if she faces a non-rusty Maria, though I could see her maybe beating her on clay sometime next year.

As for Maria, I guess it was just too much to ask to play great at such a strong tournament after an injury :hug: I have no hopes of her making the semis, though hopefully she can atleast beat Li.

dragonflies
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Rusty ChokePoova gifts a match to her pigeon:haha:
Congrats to Sam, she needed this present and numerous chokes from Maria to finish this encounter



Weren't you the one who boasted there is no way Maria could lose to Sam?

claypova
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:54 PM
WHY :bigcry:

oh well, it was inevitable that she'd play shitt in her first match

but what a disaster :tape: she'll probably go 0-3 now :o

congrats Sam :yeah:

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:55 PM
Maria you are better than this :lol:

Why are you all always in Maria's threads ? :rolleyes:

Trih
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:55 PM
i guess i'll just go to bed and try to forget everything, sigh :sad:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:55 PM
It's no illusion, she manages to gets the results while others don't. Plus, with Sharapova you can't really make that point since she is neither #1 nor does she win slams.

So who's to blame here? Ah yes, It's always Caro, I forgot :)

Who said I'm only for Sharapova as #1? I'd prefer Kvitova as much as Maria and she has actually won a slam. Oh, wait, she's not getting the results this year like everyone else except Wozniacki. Sorry to have underestimated the strenght of a slamless #1 two years running :wavey:

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Who said I'm only for Sharapova as #1? I'd prefer Kvitova as much as Maria and she has actually won a slam. Oh, wait, she's not getting the results this year like everyone else except Wozniacki. Sorry to have underestimated the strenght of a slamless #1 two years running :wavey:

The fact that she has this kind of point lead without having won a slam makes it actually more pathetic for her opponents and not herself. If Caro would be winning slams nobody would ever catch her.

Adrian.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:57 PM
It's no illusion, she manages to gets the results while others don't. Plus, with Sharapova you can't really make that point since she is neither #1 nor does she win slams.

So who's to blame here? Ah yes, It's always Caro, I forgot :)

at leasrt Masha reached the final of a GS :oh:

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Well done Sammy :yeah:

Masha :hug:

Adal
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:58 PM
You can always see by Maria's face whether she is confident or not.
She looked lost and frustrated the whole match.

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Haha, bitter much?

Your only as good as your last win :lol:

No, I've just hassled the bushes to see if any snakes will crawl out bragging about thus one. And guess what, you're the winner. Couldn't be more happier especially that I can't blame this one on some food poisoning like you guys did back in Rome :wavey:

Kəv.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:59 PM
:banana:

Craig.
Oct 25th, 2011, 08:59 PM
No, I've just hassled the bushes to see if any snakes will crawl out bragging about thus one. And guess what, you're the winner. Couldn't be more happier especially that I can't blame this one on some food poisoning like you guys did back in Rome :wavey:

Yeah um, shut the fuck up. Thanks.

madmax
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:00 PM
Weren't you the one who boasted there is no way Maria could lose to Sam?

no I wasn't...in case you are wondering I like Sam too:wavey:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:01 PM
The fact that she has this kind of point lead without having won a slam makes it actually more pathetic for her opponents and not herself. If Caro would be winning slams nobody would ever catch her.

She had a much bigger lead last year ;) Considering Sharapova only won two titles compared to Caro's six, having played the least number of events from all inside the Top 10, the gap is very small. But than again, the #1 illusion lives on :)

Mixal
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Oh well... 2 more matches to come.

Congrats, Sam. Decent performance.

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:03 PM
no I wasn't...in case you are wondering I like Sam too:wavey:

Like her so much, that you made an excuse for this win?

jacobruiz
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Well, it had to happen some time - congrats, Sam!

Shake off the rust, Maria and win some matches. :D

Morrissey
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:04 PM
She had a much bigger lead last year ;) Considering Sharapova only won two titles compared to Caro's six, having played the least number of events from all inside the Top 10, the gap is very small. But than again, the #1 illusion lives on :)

Your comment is stupid and makes NO SENSE! Wozniacki is number one because she plays a ton of events a year to build points. HOWEVER, the real separation between greatness and winning mickey mouse events are the SLAMS. Caroline hasn't reached a slam final in OVER TWO YEARS. The truth is, Caroline is a good defensive player but in the slams she loses because the other top players build consistency in slams and got the firepower to take her OUT!

Yoncé
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Looking forward to Kvitova - Stosur final.

You're going to have to keep waiting.

Stosur will probbaly lose to Li now :happy:

I can't see her beating Vika. Well, not until she is 0-9 down in H2H

I didn't see the match, I assume Maria played bad and Sam played okay!

Maria's only chance is, basically, for her Sam and Li to all go 1-2 :shrug: not impossible.

sammy01
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:04 PM
the 1st few games set the tone for this match. maria went after stosur and by hook (luck) or by crook, stosur fended her off with some slices and chips. once stosur had a foothold in the match she relaxed and started to flow. sharapova got rattled that her shock and awe tactic didn't work and wasn't sure then whether to rally or attack and instead did neither well.

2nd set sharapova got ontop of stosur as she had a let down after winning the 1st set. but once stosur got back and track and saved those bp's, maria was back to not knowing if to go after that low chip from stosur or not.

the last game summed up the match for maria, didn't know if to just put the return in court on bp's or go for it ended up just making sloppy errors instead.

madmax
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Like her so much, that you made an excuse for this win?

so saying that Maria played a sloppy match is an excuse?

DPTennis
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:09 PM
WTF.

anyway good win for Sam. I certainly didn't expect her to get over the line. I think a major difference today was that Maria wasn't reading her serve at all, she was changing directions and going for the body serve. Slice backhand was pretty awful, but she was good enough in defense to draw some errors from a rusty oppenant.

Just a smart match, not an outstanding performance. Did what she had to do :)

Hopefully she goes 3-0 and avoids Kvitova if she makes the semis.

Maria played poorly and Sam played well enough to win. She got to some balls she never would have last year and the backhand is really coming together. But certainly NOT peak Sam - just ask Bepa or Serena.

Agree. But glad she won :)
I don't see Maria beating Vika if she doesn't improve. You never know with Li, when you think she's gonna suck she suddenly starts playing well again... Then she sucks again.

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Let's see, how many Shriester fans shall I slay today :lol: :lol: :lol:

The match that EVERYONE expected her to win in this group, against the player she owns mentally, and the minute Stosur showed she would not be scared that crucial first game of the match to hold at 15, it was all mental midgety again from Sharapova in 2011.

Classic, lol.

Craig.
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:12 PM
Let's see, how many Shriester fans shall I slay today :lol: :lol: :lol:

The match that EVERYONE expected her to win in this group, against the player she owns mentally, and the minute Stosur showed she would not be scared that crucial first game of the match to hold at 15, it was all mental midgety again from Sharapova in 2011.

Classic, lol.

Welcome back :worship: I've missed you :awww:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:13 PM
:haha: :facepalm:

Please atleast beat Li, Maria :unsure:

Someone is pathtically running to Kvitova again to protect from this embarrassment :lol::lol::lol:

6-1, 7-6 you said Sharapova would win, and the opposite (and thensome) happen. :lol::lol::lol:

Another great day in dsanders06 providing comedy and being wrong yet again.

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:14 PM
so saying that Maria played a sloppy match is an excuse?

The point I was getting at was that you're so quick to label other fanbases as delusion, when you really need to take a look at yourself.

And this will be the last time I'll address you (unless I get paid)

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Lol, Thomas Hogstedt is still telling Sharapova after the match that Stosur was "lucky."

:rolls:

Vee Williams
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:17 PM
She had a much bigger lead last year ;) Considering Sharapova only won two titles compared to Caro's six, having played the least number of events from all inside the Top 10, the gap is very small. But than again, the #1 illusion lives on :)

this is sad.

p.s. no illusion can be material. the ranking sheets are clear about the number 1

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Rusty ChokePoova gifts a match to her pigeon:haha:
Congrats to Sam, she needed this present and numerous chokes from Maria to finish this encounter

LOL, you admit she chokes and gets tight under pressure. :lol::lol:

Glad to see you learned some sense about your fav and how she is just fragile mentally.

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:20 PM
LMAO at the Woztards celebrating :lol: Maria's still had a better season than her in case they haven't noticed, unless Wozniacki wins the YEC.

Although a lot of today's result was down to Maria's terrible play, I have to admit Sam was defending exceptionally well and using her backhand slice to really good effect (I kind of thought the way she was defending at the US Open was a one-off), which is obviously an effective play against Maria. Plus, she was mentally a lot more composed than she used to be. It's still a nightmare match-up for Stosur if she faces a non-rusty Maria, though I could see her maybe beating her on clay sometime next year.

As for Maria, I guess it was just too much to ask to play great at such a strong tournament after an injury :hug: I have no hopes of her making the semis, though hopefully she can atleast beat Li.

Someone still thinks 2 > 6, LOL :lol::lol::lol:

I'm just so laughing at how your math is still just so very poor.

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:20 PM
It's no illusion, she manages to gets the results while others don't. Plus, with Sharapova you can't really make that point since she is neither #1 nor does she win slams.

So who's to blame here? Ah yes, It's always Caro, I forgot :)

Maria doesn't need to win slams, she has been very consistent furthermore as far as I know she has made a GS F at least that Caroline hasn't made...

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Maria doesn't need to win slams, she has been very consistent furthermore as far as I know she has made a GS F at least that Caroline hasn't made...

Not quite consistent enough to dethrone Caro despite her having a pretty bad second half of the season :)

Siderophyre
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Jesus! Must everything on this fucking board devolve into slagging off Caro? Give her a fucking break!

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:22 PM
LOL, you admit she chokes and gets tight under pressure. :lol::lol:

Glad to see you learned some sense about your fav and how she is just fragile mentally.

Maria was sloppy that's just it... the rare times she was able to string positives in this match Sammy was complete toast... :lol: it's not her floaty BH slices that's going to cut it against the Siberian genius in the future...

It's still 9-1 no ? :lol:

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Someone is pathtically running to Kvitova again to protect from this embarrassment :lol::lol::lol:

6-1, 7-6 you said Sharapova would win, and the opposite (and thensome) happen. :lol::lol::lol:

Another great day in dsanders06 providing comedy and being wrong yet again.

To be fair to Dsanders, she is allowed to make a prediction without getting mocked.

bobito
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:24 PM
It's just a shame that she is too shy to have paraphrased the immortal line, "And let that be a lesson to you all. Nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 17 times in a row." It would have been :haha:

C. Drone
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Let's see, how many Shriester fans shall I slay today :lol: :lol: :lol:

The match that EVERYONE expected her to win in this group, against the player she owns mentally, and the minute Stosur showed she would not be scared that crucial first game of the match to hold at 15, it was all mental midgety again from Sharapova in 2011.

Classic, lol.
I`m glad you found happiness in real life instead of registering a new account after every Sharapova match like some nolifers usually do.

Oh, wait...

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:24 PM
The most desperate Shriester legions.

Whenever Sharapova suffers another embarrassing loss, here is their gameplan:

1) Blame Caroline, Blame Caroline again
2) Obsess over Caroline, Obsess over Caroline again
3) Say Serena will never have more Grand Slams than Graf
4) Repeat the first three steps.
5) Or Hide.

:rolls:

Chim
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:24 PM
You're going to have to keep waiting.

Stosur will probbaly lose to Li now :happy:

I can't see her beating Vika. Well, not until she is 0-9 down in H2H

I didn't see the match, I assume Maria played bad and Sam played okay!

Maria's only chance is, basically, for her Sam and Li to all go 1-2 :shrug: not impossible.

You are not really an Australian...aren't you? :confused:

Well deserved win Sammy. Let's go for the title :bounce::bounce:

The Reff
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:25 PM
how does a thread about a match between sharapova and sam becomes a hate thread against caro?!?

business as usual ... :)

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Maria was sloppy that's just it... the rare times she was able to string positives in this match Sammy was complete toast... :lol: it's not her floaty BH slices that's going to cut it against the Siberian genius in the future...

It's still 9-1 no ? :lol:

It was suppose to be 10-0 :lol::lol:

This was the match she was suppose to win in the group, and now she looks set for 0-3....After all of you thought she would make it out the group.

How embarrassing, you Shriester legions, brainless like your fav. :rolls:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:27 PM
I`m glad you found happiness in real life instead of registering a new account after every Sharapova match like some nolifers usually do.

Oh, wait...

Oh yes I do, especially to see you get so mad at me enjoying how much you obsess over me posting :wavey:

Classic and hilarious everyday. :lol:

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Not quite consistent enough to dethrone Caro despite her having a pretty bad second half of the season :)

Maria's first part of the season wasn't perfect too that's why Caroline was left hanging in that spot - don't forget the ankle injury too...

Disregarding these now, you can at least admit that Maria's season has been much more quality full than Caroline... because she has performed well in each category of tournaments... GS, Mandatories and P5's...

So in my books she's much more of a credible #1 even if she indeed didn't win a major this year.

tennisforadults
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:28 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!! !1!

Bitter Sharapova fans... :lol:

This is the perfect opportunity for Sam to score a win. Well done. FINALLY.

hablo
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Looking forward to Kvitova - Stosur final.

Slam winners slugging it out: it would quite fitting! :wavey:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:32 PM
To be fair to Dsanders, she is allowed to make a prediction without getting mocked.

Unfortunately, he or she likes to mock, and then when he or she gets embarrassed with her player getting embarrassed (or Wozniacki winning), he or she runs and hides as always. :lol:

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Maria's first part of the season wasn't perfect too that's why Caroline was left hanging in that spot - don't forget the ankle injury too...

Disregarding these now, you can at least admit that Maria's season has been much more quality full than Caroline... because she has performed well in each category of tournaments... GS, Mandatories and P5's...

So in my books she's much more of a credible #1 even if she indeed didn't win a major this year.

Caro has won more tournaments (all kinds of them) this year and has two slam SFs compared to Sharapova's one SF and one F. So that one final makes her season "much more quality" despite winning only 2 titles compared to Caro's 6? Please..

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Maria's first part of the season wasn't perfect too that's why Caroline was left hanging in that spot - don't forget the ankle injury too...

Disregarding these now, you can at least admit that Maria's season has been much more quality full than Caroline... because she has performed well in each category of tournaments... GS, Mandatories and P5's...

So in my books she's much more of a credible #1 even if she indeed didn't win a major this year.

Nopey...

Caroline has performed better in 2 Slams while Maria has performed better in 2 Slams.

Six titles to two titles, you do the math......Oh wait, you aren't good at that either :rolls: :rolls:

Anyway, let's get back to the players who played this match. Stosur showed improved mental desire from coming back from 3-0, 40-0 down with quality points. But again, Sharapova showed that when challenged, she gets mentally shaky and presto chango, another loss and a first against Stosur of ALL players that she likes to play.

After Thomas Hogstedt said she was lucky at 4-1 down in set one.......Comedy.

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:36 PM
It was suppose to be 10-0 :lol::lol:

This was the match she was suppose to win in the group, and now she looks set for 0-3....After all of you thought she would make it out the group.

How embarrassing, you Shriester legions, brainless like your fav. :rolls:

:shrug: No one expect Maria to be that rusty, anyways that rusty to even lost a set even more 2 to her pigeon...

Accidents happen no ? :lol: and that's not going to change Maria's life ? I still bet in the future she'll beating Sam 6 times out of 6 in their next 6 meetings... :lol:

Stay pressed. :kiss:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:37 PM
Caro has won more tournaments (all kinds of them) this year and has two slam SFs compared to Sharapova's one SF and one F. So that one final makes her season "much more quality" despite winning only 2 titles compared to Caro's 6? Please..

Jimmie48, here's what you do when dealing with Shriester legions who can't stand Caroline. Just laugh at them and expose how their blind faith in their player has led to them being so comically wrong. :lol:

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:39 PM
sluggahjells, don't you think it's sad that you're obsessing over a tennis match, on a tennis forum, with someone you dislike?

Give it a rest already.

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:39 PM
:shrug: No one expect Maria to be that rusty, anyways that rusty to even lost a set even more 2 to her pigeon...

Accidents happen no ? :lol: and that's not going to change Maria's life ? I still bet in the future she'll beating Sam 6 times out of 6 in their next 6 meetings... :lol:

Stay pressed. :kiss:

Stay pressed says the one who obsesses over Serena and Venus every single time and said Serena would lose to Azarenak this summer :lol::lol::lol: You are the last one, I mean, you got banned for that. :wavey:

But anyone, rusty, excuses again. You weren't factoring that in, and it's not like Sam played last week and has had many matches herself.

You got any more excuses as you always do when you are wrong from the umpteenth time :lol::lol:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:40 PM
It's refreshing to see Pova haters in full swing now :hearts: C'mon, you only have two more attempts this year! Give it all while you still can!

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:41 PM
sluggahjells, don't you think it's sad that you're obsessing over a tennis match, on a tennis forum, with someone you dislike?

Give it a rest already.

If you don't like it then, then too bad :wavey:

I'll be gone soon anyone. That's why there are other forums buddle. I'm not holding you to staying on that one.

(And yes, I am the post G.O.A.T once again :worship:)

bandabou
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:41 PM
Interesting, very interesting...beating Serena and Sharapova now in big matche?! Welcome to the big leagues Sam Stosur!

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:42 PM
It's refreshing to see Pova haters in full swing now :hearts: C'mon, you only have two more attempts this year! Give it all while you still can!

We already have, she just keeps giving extra unexpectedly like today. :lol::lol: :kiss:

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Interesting, very interesting...beating Serena and Sharapova now in big matche?! Welcome to the big leagues Sam Stosur!

Just give her #1 ranking already! :lol:

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:43 PM
Caro has won more tournaments (all kinds of them) this year and has two slam SFs compared to Sharapova's one SF and one F. So that one final makes her season "much more quality" despite winning only 2 titles compared to Caro's 6? Please..

:lol: The title comparison is so useless... how many tournaments more did Caroline play than Maria ? :facepalm: I'm not saying Maria's GS final makes her season super extraordinary but in comparison to Caroline yes it does...

I honestly don't understand how you can't defend that especially with Caroline's numerous loses after Wimbledon to players even outside the top 30, her failure to defend Pékin/Beijing, her beat-downs to Daniela and Dominika, her choke to Li... :facepalm:

Maria and Caro are really in a different league right now consistency wise... Facts.

Matt01
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:43 PM
:lol:

Congrats, Sam :yeah: :drool:

Pova :awww: Better luck next time :hug:

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:46 PM
:lol: The title comparison is so useless... how many tournaments more did Caroline play than Maria ? :facepalm: I'm not saying Maria's GS final makes her season super extraordinary but in comparison to Caroline yes it does...

I honestly don't understand how you can't defend that especially with Caroline's numerous loses after Wimbledon to players even outside the top 30, her failure to defend Pékin/Beijing, her beat-downs to Daniela and Dominika, her choke to Li... :facepalm:

She plays a lot, chances are she loses more often. She still has the best win/loss ratio (or at least before a few weeks ago, not sure now) despite playing so much.

Yes, all what you said happened. But she also had two slam SF's, won six titles and had two more finals.... seriously you're telling me one slam final makes up for all that in comparison?

nelsondan
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:49 PM
A few observations...
1. I do not think Maria played that badly. Stosur just won a grand slam, and she hit a lot of the amazing shots you would expect from a grand slam winner.
2. Maria just could not win another break point to save her life. Very unusual...she routinely wins them to mask poor serving. Her serving probably better today, than what we have come to expect. No excuse for this not going three sets--because of her inability to convert break points, not her serve.
3. Maria looked rusty, failing to execute a lot of shots she will, after a couple more matches. I don't think the ankle was causing much difficulty.
4. On tv, and in a couple of the photos I have seen, Maria looks like she has added a couple of kilos....edit......pictures from the match made me change my mind...she looks the same..tv was misleading... She did not seem to move quite as quickly.
5. For the long run, where winning some more grand slams is the dominant goal, I am not too worried about what I saw today. The killer instinct was not there, but I believe it will be by Australia.

QuietPlease
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Congrats to Sam. :cheer:
Didn't see the match though, so no comments.

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:53 PM
:lol: The title comparison is so useless... how many tournaments more did Caroline play than Maria ? :facepalm: I'm not saying Maria's GS final makes her season super extraordinary but in comparison to Caroline yes it does...

I honestly don't understand how you can't defend that especially with Caroline's numerous loses after Wimbledon to players even outside the top 30, her failure to defend Pékin/Beijing, her beat-downs to Daniela and Dominika, her choke to Li... :facepalm:

Maria and Caro are really in a different league right now consistency wise... Facts.

Maria wasn't consistent enough to win more than 6 tournaments like Caroline.

That's the only consistency that matters, especially when there isn't much to differentiate regarding slam results.

Novichok
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:57 PM
We already have, she just keeps giving extra unexpectedly like today. :lol::lol: :kiss:

sluggahjells:hearts::hearts::hearts:

Pova was good today, wasn't she?;)

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:07 PM
She plays a lot, chances are she loses more often. She still has the best win/loss ratio (or at least before a few weeks ago, not sure now) despite playing so much.

Maria would be playing as much as Caro and I'm very confident that she'd not be losing to any of the players Caroline lost to in that Wimbledon --> Beijing period though at times she was could have been in difficulties.

Yes, all what you said happened. But she also had two slam SF's, won six titles and had two more finals.... seriously you're telling me one slam final makes up for all that in comparison?

You're always opposing the number of titles won but you can't recognize that Maria does not play as many MM-little tournaments as Caroline (Copenhagen, New-Haven, Brussels) -- sorry these fake reality of things...

:shrug: Yes a GS F makes up for all this... you judge the qualities of great players in majors -- Caroline is a good player not great... you can't put Maria in the same bag with Caroline this season.

Pops Maellard
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:10 PM
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck! :fiery:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:11 PM
sluggahjells:hearts::hearts::hearts:

Pova was good today, wasn't she?;)

Novi!!!!!!!! ;)

I really think Sharapova was expecting Stosur to start the match nervous, just like she did in Cincinnati (Rome she was both sick and nervous to start that final.)

Her coach again got her tactics right and he told her to not let Sharapova get off to a fast start this time and feel confident against you again. Instead, Stosur held served and set the tone, just like she did against Serena, so well today in that first set.

Knowing that she wasn't going to get as many bad misses from her today as she normally does (i.e. Miami and Cincinnati), Sharapova was frazzled by that. And she definitely was upset that Stosur somehow worked her way out from 3-0, 40-0 down.

That really doesn't spell good signs for Sharapova the next few days. That she served so many double faults against a returner she normally never fears, you can just imagine how bad it will be against Na Li (even with her own struggles) and even more against Azarenka.

0-3 really beckons.

(And Novi, if you're ever on Twitter, you know where to locate me.)

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:12 PM
Maria wasn't consistent enough to win more than 6 tournaments like Caroline.

That's the only consistency that matters, especially when there isn't much to differentiate regarding slam results.

:lol: Again how many more tournaments has Caroline played than Maria ? Maria has played little and she's 78.18% of wins... Maria performed well in P5's (2 wins) and Pékin QF, she made SF and F in Mandatories, SF and F in majors...

Her ankle was the only problem in the Asian swing...

That's all what is asked for a top player... not win Copenhagen, New-Haven and some other useless tournaments that would not even count in her ranking --

If Maria played these she'd have won them too... so you can't use these as an argument in no ways.

Stay pressed says the one who obsesses over Serena and Venus every single time and said Serena would lose to Azarenak this summer :lol::lol::lol: You are the last one, I mean, you got banned for that. :wavey:

But anyone, rusty, excuses again. You weren't factoring that in, and it's not like Sam played last week and has had many matches herself.

You got any more excuses as you always do when you are wrong from the umpteenth time :lol::lol:

:lol: You really believe a better prepared Maria would lose to Sam when she was 18-2 sets won and on a 9-0 streak ? :lol: At the rate at which you're going you'll be banned very quickly from this forum again... :help:

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:12 PM
You're always opposing the number of titles won but you can't recognize that Maria does not play as many MM-little tournaments as Caroline (Copenhagen, New-Haven, Brussels) -- sorry these fake reality of things...

:shrug: Yes a GS F makes up for all this... you judge the qualities of great players in majors -- Caroline is a good player not great... you can't put Maria in the same bag with Caroline this season.

It's Maria's choice to not play more (one could say be lazy), just shows she doesn't want to be #1 enough and thus doesn't deserve to be.

And regarding the final, compared to Caro's slam record this year this is one match difference (SF to F..one match). So one slam match is worth four titles? lol....

Pops Maellard
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:13 PM
It's Maria's choice to not play more (one could say be lazy), just shows she doesn't want to be #1 enough and thus doesn't deserve to be.

And regarding the final, compared to Caro's slam record this year this is one match difference (SF to F..one match). So one slam match is worth four titles? lol....
Oh just shut up. Caro has her own result thread you know.

Novichok
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Oh just shut up. Caro has her own result thread you know.

The truth will set you free.:lol:

Jane Lane
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Holy fuck how does Caro end up in every thread on this board? She's like herpes. You think she's gone and then she just sprouts up again at inconvenient moments. :facepalm: *Waits for badreps even though this is accurate.*

Sam :yeah: Lovely.

dsanders06
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:16 PM
She plays a lot, chances are she loses more often. She still has the best win/loss ratio (or at least before a few weeks ago, not sure now) despite playing so much.

Yes, all what you said happened. But she also had two slam SF's, won six titles and had two more finals.... seriously you're telling me one slam final makes up for all that in comparison?

So, wait a minute: you always say there's no connection between the number of touraments Wozniacki plays and the titles she wins ... and yet, at the same time, you think the HUGE number of losses she's had should be disregarded because she plays so many tournaments? :spit: Either the number of tournaments she plays should be applied as an asterisk to ALL her stats or it should be applied to none of them, you don't get to apply it just to the stats that make her look bad. :lol: And yes, how about you ask Maria if she'd trade in her Wimbledon final for titles in Charleston, New Haven and Brussels.

Sidenote: I love how Sluggah Jells' shtick is now so tired that the mods can't even be bothered banning him :hearts:

Pops Maellard
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:16 PM
The truth will set you free.:lol:
I don't care if Maria's #1 or not. In fact Caro can keep carrying the slamless #1 pressure :devil:.

Monzanator
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:17 PM
It's Maria's choice to not play more (one could say be lazy), just shows she doesn't want to be #1 enough and thus doesn't deserve to be.



Serena had only six events counted into her ranking when she was #1 last year. Guess she also didn't want to really be there if she didn't choose to play more? :lol:

Novichok
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Serena had only six events counted into her ranking when she was #1 last year. Guess she also didn't want to really be there if she didn't choose to play more? :lol:

Serena>>>>>Maria so she could play less and still be #1.

Lachy
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Get your shit together Maria. Watching you move about 10m in the 1st set was painful, I expected her to be tentative but just standing in the one spot...really? Radio, TV...I can't seem to escape this result over here :spit: Just beat Vika, all I ask :lol: Get it together :tape:

danieln1
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:26 PM
How was the ankle???

Did it bother her?

That US Open made wonders for Stosur I guess :shrug:

brickhousesupporter
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Maria went 0-3. This was the only match I was sure Maria was going to win.

Tatcher
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:32 PM
Nice job, Samantha !!! :worship::bounce:
Does Sharapova else lead in the poll ?? :lol::lol:

Vee Williams
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:33 PM
:lol: If Maria played these she'd have won them too... so you can't use these as an argument in no ways.:help:

what happened at the MM tournament in Auckland?

dsanders06
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:35 PM
what happened at the MM tournament in Auckland?

Wozniacki lost at an MM tournament this year aswell :shrug: The simple fact is if Maria had played as many sub-Tier1 tournaments as Wozniacki did (she only played 2, compared to Wozniacki's 8), statistically she probably would've won as many tournaments. Considering she outperformed Wozniacki both in Grand Slams and Tier 1s this year, it's a fair bet she would've outperformed her in Tier 2s/MMs if they were on an equal playing field in that category.

Sombrerero loco
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:37 PM
well done sam, finally you defeated her!!

miss_molik
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Congrats Sam :)

Vee Williams
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Wozniacki lost at an MM tournament this year aswell :shrug: The simple fact is if Maria had played as many sub-Tier1 tournaments as Wozniacki did (she only played 2, compared to Wozniacki's 8), statistically she probably would've won as many tournaments.

might or might not have been the case. vikapower has to think before he/she posts.

Inger67
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:39 PM
Woo :cheer: Go Sammy!

Balltossovic
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:53 PM
Hey guys, can we please talk about the match? Caroline has NOTHING to do with Sam beating Maria. She is completely irrelevnt in this thread. She's not even in the same group for Pete's sake.

No1Curr
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:53 PM
:lol: The title comparison is so useless... how many tournaments more did Caroline play than Maria ? :facepalm: I'm not saying Maria's GS final makes her season super extraordinary but in comparison to Caroline yes it does...

I honestly don't understand how you can't defend that especially with Caroline's numerous loses after Wimbledon to players even outside the top 30, her failure to defend Pékin/Beijing, her beat-downs to Daniela and Dominika, her choke to Li... :facepalm:

Maria and Caro are really in a different league right now consistency wise... Facts.

She didn't choke against Li - she was outplayed by a superior player. But you are right about her laughable season.

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:55 PM
:lol: Again how many more tournaments has Caroline played than Maria ? Maria has played little and she's 78.18% of wins... Maria performed well in P5's (2 wins) and Pékin QF, she made SF and F in Mandatories, SF and F in majors...

Her ankle was the only problem in the Asian swing...

That's all what is asked for a top player... not win Copenhagen, New-Haven and some other useless tournaments that would not even count in her ranking --

If Maria played these she'd have won them too... so you can't use these as an argument in no ways.



:lol: You really believe a better prepared Maria would lose to Sam when she was 18-2 sets won and on a 9-0 streak ? :lol: At the rate at which you're going you'll be banned very quickly from this forum again... :help:

Excuses, excuses, excuses, says the one who threatened Serena. :lol::lol::lol:

You are such comedy.

L'Enfant Sauvage
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:55 PM
I was really counting on this match to be her safety net for the Li and Azarenka ones...

Buitenzorg
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:57 PM
way to go, Sam :bounce:

She will be in the SF with Vika :) from the White Group and Kvitova & Wozniacki from the Rede group :kiss:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:57 PM
So, wait a minute: you always say there's no connection between the number of touraments Wozniacki plays and the titles she wins ... and yet, at the same time, you think the HUGE number of losses she's had should be disregarded because she plays so many tournaments? :spit: Either the number of tournaments she plays should be applied as an asterisk to ALL her stats or it should be applied to none of them, you don't get to apply it just to the stats that make her look bad. :lol: And yes, how about you ask Maria if she'd trade in her Wimbledon final for titles in Charleston, New Haven and Brussels.

Sidenote: I love how Sluggah Jells' shtick is now so tired that the mods can't even be bothered banning him :hearts:

Translation: OMG, he's here to embarrass me and my wrong, failed predictions again :haha: :haha:

I think I'm going to pass around a "How to laugh at dsanders06 off of Tennis Forum" guide, especially for Jimmie48 to deal with how many times you're humiliated every single time. :lol::lol:

Yes, you may bow to your master. :worship:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:59 PM
Wozniacki lost at an MM tournament this year aswell :shrug: The simple fact is if Maria had played as many sub-Tier1 tournaments as Wozniacki did (she only played 2, compared to Wozniacki's 8), statistically she probably would've won as many tournaments. Considering she outperformed Wozniacki both in Grand Slams and Tier 1s this year, it's a fair bet she would've outperformed her in Tier 2s/MMs if they were on an equal playing field in that category.

Haha, Greta Arn says "No." :lol::lol:

More "wishes" than actual "facts" as always.

moemoe
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Oh well I'm happy Sam at least got one win. But things aren't looking good for Maria.

dsanders06
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:03 PM
Translation: OMG, he's here to embarrass me and my wrong, failed predictions again :haha: :haha:

I think I'm going a pass around a "How to laugh at dsanders06 off of Tennis Forum" guide, especially for Jimmie48 to deal with how many times you're humiliated every single time. :lol::lol:

Yes, you may bow to your master. :worship:

:crying2:

Blu€
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:07 PM
Sam :bowdown: Tried to choke in the end but some gutsy serves helped her. If she plays like that all week, she's taking the trophy!

ranfurly
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:11 PM
Sam! You little Beauty!

Good luck in the next rounds! Your the closest thing we have in New Zealand to a Grand Slam Champ ;-)..Ah the All Blacks ;-)!

!! OZZY OZZY OZZY OI OI OI!

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:13 PM
what happened at the MM tournament in Auckland?

First, you know that doesn't count for the simple fact that these pre-AO tournaments a very much necessary to get the rhythm again after the off-season... :lol:

Wozniacki lost 1st. round to Cibulkova in Sydney :shrug:

Furthermore it seems I told Jimmie that Maria's start to 2011 wasn't ideal... she didn't play neither Dubaï and Doha, Wimbl'Pova would have certainly done much better in AO for a start...

Many of these tournaments Caroline played were absolutely not necessary for her and her ranking...

It's Maria's choice to not play more (one could say be lazy), just shows she doesn't want to be #1 enough and thus doesn't deserve to be.

And regarding the final, compared to Caro's slam record this year this is one match difference (SF to F..one match). So one slam match is worth four titles? lol....

Woz is 15-4 in majors this year (78.94%), 37-8 in Premiers (82.22%) - Maria is 16-4 (80.00%) and 23-5 (82.14%)...

They have had a pretty similar season from these, Caro has a Mandatory Maria doesn't, Maria has 2 P5's and one Mandatory F... (Caro didn't pass the QF of her 2 last Mandatories)...

Caro has played 5 more Premiers than Maria has (Doha, Dubaï, Brussels, Charleston, Stuttgart)... plus a supplementary MM (Copenhagen) -- (Note how still yet Maria's stats almost equals Caroline) -- doesn't that increase her titles chances ? She won 3 out of the 5 and Copenhagen.

That final is perhaps the only thing separating the 2 :shrug: yes, but Caroline has had the biggest losses and she yet again failed to make a GS F in 3 years, so call it overrated but if it's only one match to separate the 2 well, let it be. :lol:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:13 PM
:crying2:

#FakeCryTears :lol::lol:

How consistently pathetic, as always. But, but, but, but, Maria is #1 forever :haha:

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:16 PM
First, you know that doesn't count for the simple fact that these pre-AO tournaments a very much necessary to get the rhythm again after the off-season... :lol:

Wozniacki lost 1st. round to Cibulkova in Sydney :shrug:

Furthermore it seems I told Jimmie that Maria's start to 2011 wasn't ideal... she didn't play neither Dubaï and Doha, Wimbl'Pova would have certainly done much better in AO for a start...

Many of these tournaments Caroline played were absolutely not necessary for her and her ranking...



Woz is 15-4 in majors this year (78.94%), 37-8 in Premiers (82.22%) - Maria is 16-4 (80.00%) and 23-5 (82.14%)...

They have had a pretty similar season from these, Caro has a Mandatory Maria doesn't, Maria has 2 P5's and one Mandatory F... (Caro didn't pass the QF of her 2 last Mandatories)...

Caro has played 3 more Premiers than Maria has (Doha, Dubaï, Brussels)...

That final is perhaps the only thing separating the 2 :shrug: yes, but Caroline has had the biggest losses and she yet again failed to make a GS F, so call it overrated but if it's only one match to separate the 2 well, let it be. :lol:

Should, Could, Would, are not facts :lol::lol: When will learn that.

I think you're doing should, could, would scenarios for Azarenka beating Serena. :haha:

We don't live in the "what if" world, but reality. As usual though, you don't live in reality or sanity :lol:

Again, 6 > 2, and rankings points.

cowsonice
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:17 PM
Maria :o:sobbing:

She lost. I had a bad day. Why am I so invested in her? :bigcry:

Cajka
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Hey guys, can we please talk about the match? Caroline has NOTHING to do with Sam beating Maria. She is completely irrelevnt in this thread. She's not even in the same group for Pete's sake.

No way, you silly. :( I'm surprised that petratards and carotards don't troll in political subforum.

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:18 PM
It's so funny how dsanders06 and vikapower are married to talking about nothing but their fav's latest failure.

Where's madmax and TheBoiledEgg to join usual "The Festivities of Fools" Open. :lol: :lol:

claypova
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:19 PM
lol @ sluggahjells11 calling someone pathetic when he is the one who creates several accounts after every ban he gets just to bash Sharapova.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:21 PM
lol @ sluggahjells11 calling someone pathetic when he is the one who creates several accounts after every ban he gets just to bash Sharapova.
That may be true, but he is sure getting you Maria fans toghether.

claypova
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:24 PM
That may be true, but he is sure getting you Maria fans toghether.

this is a Sharapova results thread. Are her fans not allowed to be here?

Excelscior
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:27 PM
Mmmmhhh.

Lots of Drama here, I see.

Seems like y'all having a lot of fun, talking about the match! Lol :cool: :confused: :tape: :confused: :cool:

Lol

Regarding the match, it's obvious Sharapova was rusty and Stosur took advantage of it. By the time the second set rolled around, and Pova started to play a little better (and Stosur started to choke a little), Pova couldn't pull it through, and Sam did what she had to do. Maria was neither match or mentally fit. And Stosur was just a little better equipped (mentally and physically), from what I could see.

It'll be interesting to see how both of them do in their next match (so we can compare them to this one)? That should tell us something/more?

sluggahjells11
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:29 PM
lol @ sluggahjells11 calling someone pathetic when he is the one who creates several accounts after every ban he gets just to bash Sharapova.

Lol at you always reading and commenting on me almost every thread :haha:

It's bashing to the Shriester obsessed legions, truth to the general rational tennis fans. :lol:

And I do less trolling than dsanders06, vikapower, and others do in like an hour (and you too as well).

Vikapower
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Should, Could, Would, are not facts :lol::lol: When will learn that.

We don't live in the "what if" world, but reality. As usual though, you don't live in reality or sanity :lol:

Again, 6 > 2, and rankings points.

The weak fielded tournaments in which Caroline won her non-countable events, any decent top player would have won these... Maria would have defeated Zvonareva all day long in every final with her lackluster records in these and to top players.

Wozniacki plays more so by evidence will win more, Maria played much less and still almost tops Caroline's record this year... simply because she's a little bit more consistent than Caroline in the tournaments that count.

Petra has played much less events than Caroline too and she is 5 titles already including a major - Quality over Quantity, learn.

I think you're doing should, could, would scenarios for Azarenka beating Serena. :haha:

What'd I say wrong ? :lol: Vika was 19-1 versus players ranked in between a certain mark and Serena was in that range which by any Cartesian reasoning made her chances of 80+% of winning the match...

Facts are facts but as a habit GM has a hard time handling them... cool... :cool:

brickhousesupporter
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:42 PM
The weak fielded tournaments in which Caroline won her non-countable events, any decent top player would have won these... Maria would have defeated Zvonareva all day long in every final with her lackluster records in these and to top players.

Wozniacki plays more so by evidence will win more, Maria played much less and still almost tops Caroline's record this year... simply because she's a little bit more consistent than Caroline in the tournaments that count.

Petra has played much less events than Caroline too and she is 5 titles already including a major - Quality over Quantity, learn.



What'd I say wrong ? :lol: Vika was 19-1 versus players ranked in between a certain mark and Serena was in that range which by any Cartesian reasoning made her chances of 80+% of winning the match...

Facts are facts but as a habit GM has a hard time handling them... cool... :cool:
If you are going to use that circular line of thinking, then it should be easy for you to accept Caro as the number 1 and best tennis player, because the rankings say so.......I am just glad I have more sense and logic than to go along with that.

Stamp Paid
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:52 PM
Arguing with vikapowerBro, come this way...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltgx2dGlXF1qbny29.gif
:lol:

timafi
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:52 PM
come on Sam:yeah:

VishaalMaria
Oct 25th, 2011, 11:59 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Maria won both of her next two matches :lol:

Craig.
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:00 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if Maria won both of her next two matches :lol:

Like that's happening :tears:

brickhousesupporter
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:04 AM
Bro, come this way...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltgx2dGlXF1qbny29.gif
:lol:
I know......I am so embarrassed. I really should know better.
http://i47.tinypic.com/sou3w5.jpg

VishaalMaria
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:09 AM
Like that's happening :tears:

You should never give up any hope.

Stamp Paid
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Like that's happening :tears::lol::lol: Dont give hope bb :hug:

StoneRose
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Congrats to Sam, good match, good chance she'll go through now. Vika needs to play well tomorrow.

Vikapower
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:20 AM
If you are going to use that circular line of thinking, then it should be easy for you to accept Caro as the number 1 and best tennis player, because the rankings say so.......I am just glad I have more sense and logic than to go along with that.

:shrug: Everyone knows she's #1 I don't refute that but it's the consistency argument with Caroline whereas Maria, Petra etc... have been equally consistent and regular with less tournaments played than the Dane...

Maria has less tournaments and has similar stats to Caroline or close... #1 is about consistency perhaps but also quality the opposite of a player who still hasn't made a GS F in 3 years...

Furthermore, Caroline's losses recently have been pretty bad for a world #1 and she only made 1 SF in her 7 last events excluding her bread and butter Copenhagen and New Haven including 2 consecutive round 1 losses...

Another necessary info, between ex-#1's since 2000 and in the main draws - regular tour only, Justine, Maria, Clijsters, Hingis have never lost 2 consecutive 1st. round matches.

Serena lost 2 (Madrid, Marbella 2009), Venus (San Diego, Oackland 1996), Amélie (Rome, RG 2009), Davenport (RG, Eastbourne 2003), Ana (Dubaï, Madrid 2011), Caroline (Toronto, Cincy 2011).

None of these players unless Wozniacki has ever lost 2 consecutive R1 matches as a reigning #1.

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:26 AM
:eek:

:bolt:

VishaalMaria
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:27 AM
:shrug: Everyone knows she's #1 I don't refute that but it's the consistency argument with Caroline whereas Maria, Petra etc... have been equally consistent and regular with less tournaments played than the Dane...

Maria has less tournaments and has similar stats to Caroline or close... #1 is about consistency perhaps but also quality the opposite of a player who still hasn't made a GS F in 3 years...

Furthermore, Caroline's losses recently have been pretty bad for a world #1 and she only made 1 SF in her 7 last events excluding her bread and butter Copenhagen and New Haven including 2 consecutive round 1 losses...

Another necessary info, between ex-#1's since 2000 and in the main draws - regular tour only, Justine, Maria, Clijsters, Hingis have never lost 2 consecutive 1st. round matches.

Serena lost 2 (Madrid, Marbella 2009), Venus (San Diego, Oackland 1996), Amélie (Rome, RG 2009), Davenport (RG, Eastbourne 2003), Ana (Dubaï, Madrid 2011), Caroline (Toronto, Cincy 2011).

None of these players unless Wozniacki has ever lost 2 consecutive R1 matches as a reigning #1.

No one is ever going to take you seriously, especially since you threatened to stab Serena Williams.

I'm surprised you havent had any referrals.

Jane Lane
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:27 AM
People still talking about Caro in this thread.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltkf736Yby1qht6pb.gif

brickhousesupporter
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:47 AM
:eek:

:bolt:
You pop in and that is all you have to say.......something wrong?

Huntress55
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:48 AM
Oh Maria :lol:
But Sam... FINALLY!

Awful first set, just horrible. Sam wasnt fantastic either but she did what she needed to do.
The second was slightly better and credit to Sam for not folding 0-3 and BPs down, especially considering their H2H. Was impressed with Sam for toughing it out. Sam did what she needed to do today, she was the better player.

Maria please win your other two matches :sad:

Novichok
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:03 AM
What'd I say wrong ? :lol: Vika was 19-1 versus players ranked in between a certain mark and Serena was in that range which by any Cartesian reasoning made her chances of 80+% of winning the match...

Facts are facts but as a habit GM has a hard time handling them... cool... :cool:

Stop it. :hysteric:

KBdoubleu
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:04 AM
:shrug: Everyone knows she's #1 I don't refute that but it's the consistency argument with Caroline whereas Maria, Petra etc... have been equally consistent and regular with less tournaments played than the Dane...

Maria has less tournaments and has similar stats to Caroline or close... #1 is about consistency perhaps but also quality the opposite of a player who still hasn't made a GS F in 3 years...

Furthermore, Caroline's losses recently have been pretty bad for a world #1 and she only made 1 SF in her 7 last events excluding her bread and butter Copenhagen and New Haven including 2 consecutive round 1 losses...

Another necessary info, between ex-#1's since 2000 and in the main draws - regular tour only, Justine, Maria, Clijsters, Hingis have never lost 2 consecutive 1st. round matches.

Serena lost 2 (Madrid, Marbella 2009), Venus (San Diego, Oackland 1996), Amélie (Rome, RG 2009), Davenport (RG, Eastbourne 2003), Ana (Dubaï, Madrid 2011), Caroline (Toronto, Cincy 2011).

None of these players unless Wozniacki has ever lost 2 consecutive R1 matches as a reigning #1.

Not sure exactly what you're trying to argue if you concede that Sharapova and Wozniacki have similar statistics but Wozniacki has played more often. That would be pretty obvious to me that she would deserve the #1 ranking over someone with similar statistics but plays less.

Also, not sure where you're getting your statistics - but Sharapova has lost consecutive 1st rounds (AO/Indian Wells/Miami '03)..So has Clijsters (Leipzig/Philadelphia '99 and Stanford/San Diego '00)..

Stamp Paid
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Stop it. :hysteric:http://i40.tinypic.com/r2t2ps.gif
I cant with him :lol:

Temperenka
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:00 AM
Wow. Wasn't expecting this. Well done to Sam... it's nice to see her backing up her USO win. :yeah:

Maria... FIGHT. (except against Vika).

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:02 AM
wow.:eek: Well done Sam.:yeah:
Masha :haha: :shrug:

stromatolite
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:30 AM
Well done Sam, I'm very very happy for you :yeah: :) Big breakthrough for you to finally beat Maria, hope you can use this as a springboard to more great results!

stromatolite
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:39 AM
After looking through this thread, it seems to be a mix of the good, the bad and the irrelevant. Fortunately more the former than the latter two.

Good:
The classy way most Masha fans have accepted defeat :yeah:
The absence of excessive gloating from most Stosur fans :yeah:
The tendency for most posters to see the positives rather than the negatives in this result :yeah:

Bad:
The exceptions to the above :silly: (but actually not too many and generally not too bad) :)

Irrelevant:
The posters who couldn't resist dragging the idiotic turf war between Caro and Masha into this:facepalm:

NeoZod19
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:06 AM
:shrug: Everyone knows she's #1 I don't refute that but it's the consistency argument with Caroline whereas Maria, Petra etc... have been equally consistent and regular with less tournaments played than the Dane...

Maria has less tournaments and has similar stats to Caroline or close... #1 is about consistency perhaps but also quality the opposite of a player who still hasn't made a GS F in 3 years...

Furthermore, Caroline's losses recently have been pretty bad for a world #1 and she only made 1 SF in her 7 last events excluding her bread and butter Copenhagen and New Haven including 2 consecutive round 1 losses...

Another necessary info, between ex-#1's since 2000 and in the main draws - regular tour only, Justine, Maria, Clijsters, Hingis have never lost 2 consecutive 1st. round matches.

Serena lost 2 (Madrid, Marbella 2009), Venus (San Diego, Oackland 1996), Amélie (Rome, RG 2009), Davenport (RG, Eastbourne 2003), Ana (Dubaï, Madrid 2011), Caroline (Toronto, Cincy 2011).

None of these players unless Wozniacki has ever lost 2 consecutive R1 matches as a reigning #1.

Bravo!!! well quoted!!!:worship:

Rafito.
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:20 AM
Meh. Just pick up your game Maria against Na & Vika.

Also smash Sam tomorrow Vika.

CloudAtlas
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:23 AM
Sharapova still recovering from a bad ankle injury , as even a sub-par Sharapova should never lose to Stosur. Hope Maria gets a win against Li.

Well done Sam , I guess :shrug:

BlueTrees
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:49 AM
Sharapova still recovering from a bad ankle injury , as even a sub-par Sharapova should never lose to Stosur.

If it was that bad she wouldn't be playing. For god's sake it happened a month ago.

Bonfire
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:48 AM
Congrats to Sam on her breakthrough win!!:yeah: Keep it going now! Would love to see her make the semi's at least.

MarkNL
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:16 AM
Sam :woohoo:

Renalicious
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:16 AM
Sam :eek:

Betten
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:14 AM
Well played match from Stosur. In straight sets too, even though Maria seemed to have that second set in her grasp.

Cleffa
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:20 AM
:bowdown: Sam what a performance winning in straight sets :hearts:.

Not sure what Masha is going through right now:confused:

stromatolite
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:22 AM
Totally saw this coming. I never before felt worried before one of Maria's matches against Sam, but this time was different. Oh well. Well done Sam. Try to qualify Maria.

Classy reaction :yeah:

Yoncé
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:31 AM
You are not really an Australian...aren't you? :confused:

Well deserved win Sammy. Let's go for the title :bounce::bounce:

This is awkward cause I am Australian.

I am sorry, I didn't realise that I obviously have to be a Stosur fan just because I'm an Aussie :weirdo: my mistake

stromatolite
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:39 AM
This is awkward cause I am Australian.

I am sorry, I didn't realise that I obviously have to be a Stosur fan just because I'm an Aussie :weirdo: my mistake

You don't, no problem

Sammy Stones
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:44 AM
Maria was absoluteley terrible and still almost won the 2nd set..

Sam does not deserve to advance :o

gaddafi almost didn't die.

lybia does not deserve to be free.

Beat
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:45 AM
great one, stosur :yeah: she had a plan, served well, moved well and was thinking out there.

something that can't be said abut sharpie; her lack of any discernible strategy is baffling and junior-like. not to mention her lack of a net game or slice. it seems to me she hasn't realized she can't simply hit her opponents off court anymore.

Rest Maria!
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:10 AM
Good. I always enjoy Pova fans eating some crow.

burn
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:41 AM
Sam :yeah:
Ma$ha :sad:

Juju Nostalgique
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:43 AM
I voted for this result!!!

Win the whole damn thing Lezzur! :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2::rocker2:

winlaw
Oct 26th, 2011, 08:59 AM
If only Sam, Vika and Maria could make it through :sobbing:

NeKo
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Expected. Sharapova is overrated. She has too many fans compared to her quality.

Corswandt
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Unexpected, but good for the game.

Martha apparently trying to pull the same stunt as the elite part-timers, showing up in what she herself must have known was appalling form and expecting to BS her way to wins against top tier but flake-y opposition. Good that Stosur kept it together and showed Martha that "throwing the clay on the wall and hoping that it will stick" wouldn't cut it today.

So much for Martha being "a holy terror" indoors. Her ground game showed the exact same problems it has on every other surface. FH ranges from "adequate rally shot" to "wildly unreliable". Footwork was bad throughout.

bandabou
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:37 AM
interesting, very interesting...:lol:

Daniel
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Sam :clap2:

marineblue
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:47 AM
Oh, thought she was so winning this:rolleyes:

Vikapower
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Not sure exactly what you're trying to argue if you concede that Sharapova and Wozniacki have similar statistics but Wozniacki has played more often. That would be pretty obvious to me that she would deserve the #1 ranking over someone with similar statistics but plays less.

The discussions of Caroline being #1 is a has been debate -- she's a clear #1 as the ranking indicates but the problem resides in differentiating 2 players who have quite similar statistics. Quality or quantity ?

2 of Caroline's followers have played much less events than her (Maria even less) - facts are what they are, the ranking promote consistency over 52 weeks but in a debate all aspects should be regarded and the fact that Caroline had the most dramatic losses this season in her usual bread and butter should count in the data...

At last, Caroline has not been consistent in the 3 requested elite tournaments all together majors, mandatories and P5's - she had started on a good rhythm with Dubaï, Doha, IW... for time - in her last 4 Premiers events she averaged 94.25 points where in the same period last year she was at 731.25...

Also, not sure where you're getting your statistics - but Sharapova has lost consecutive 1st rounds (AO/Indian Wells/Miami '03)..So has Clijsters (Leipzig/Philadelphia '99 and Stanford/San Diego '00).

:lol: Yes, my bad... :silly: in fact she even lost 6 consecutive 1st round matches between 2002 and 2003... can't believe I missed that. :lol: :hatoff:

Jimmie48
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:13 PM
The discussions of Caroline being #1 is a has been debate -- she's a clear #1 as the ranking indicates but the problem resides in differentiating 2 players who have quite similar statistics. Quality or quantity ?



That's a no brainer, the quality of each tournament is already weighted by the points the winners receive. That's why Caroline gets less poins for winning Copenhagan than Sharapova gets for winning a Mandatory. So the distinction is already there, no need to make it again.

serenafan08
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:19 PM
Maria hasn't played in a month...what could we really have expected from her? Good for Sam to get over the hurdle of beating her; when you've lost to someone so many times it becomes more mental than anything. Will this mean anything going forward? That remains to be seen.

Rest Maria!
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Only that Pova has not won a Mandatory tournament in the last 52 weeks. :oh:


At last, Caroline has not been consistent in the 3 requested elite tournaments all together majors, mandatories and P5's - she had started on a good rhythm with Dubaï, Doha, IW... for time - in her last 4 Premiers events she averaged 94.25 points where in the same period last year she was at 731.25...
If she continues the slump, she will fall from #1. The question is when and whether the successor will have actually some impressive titles to be considered "real #1" and not an opportunist taking advantage of the ranking system.

Beat
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:07 PM
That's a no brainer, the quality of each tournament is already weighted by the points the winners receive. That's why Caroline gets less poins for winning Copenhagan than Sharapova gets for winning a Mandatory. So the distinction is already there, no need to make it again.

your logic will be completely lost on vikapower.

Vikapower
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:22 PM
That's a no brainer, the quality of each tournament is already weighted by the points the winners receive. That's why Caroline gets less poins for winning Copenhagan than Sharapova gets for winning a Mandatory. So the distinction is already there, no need to make it again.

Mmm... ok, fair but that's relative... when Caroline wins a Mandatory like IW with facing only 1 top ten player who retired more so you can then allow me to doubt of the quality of a so said elite tournament and their points...

The same applies for Beijing 2010 where only Zvonareva with her atrocious record in finals... Caroline only met 3 top 10's in 4 effective mandatories in 2010 and 1 this year...

She's #1 I'd expect her to meet at least 2 top players per Manda's played and obviously where she goes deep or wins yet, in the 2 she did well she only beat 1 top 10 player.

To furtherance, she beat only 4 top 20 players in the 21 she faced in her last 4 Mandatories. :shrug:

Maria's average points in majors aren't that different to Caroline's but Maria lost to better players, Pennetta was an accident but overall, Li, Petra and Andrea aren't bad losses compared to Hantuchova, Cibulkova and Serena where Caroline didn't show up at all.

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:20 PM
:shrug: Everyone knows she's #1 I don't refute that but it's the consistency argument with Caroline whereas Maria, Petra etc... have been equally consistent and regular with less tournaments played than the Dane...

Maria has less tournaments and has similar stats to Caroline or close... #1 is about consistency perhaps but also quality the opposite of a player who still hasn't made a GS F in 3 years...

Furthermore, Caroline's losses recently have been pretty bad for a world #1 and she only made 1 SF in her 7 last events excluding her bread and butter Copenhagen and New Haven including 2 consecutive round 1 losses...

Another necessary info, between ex-#1's since 2000 and in the main draws - regular tour only, Justine, Maria, Clijsters, Hingis have never lost 2 consecutive 1st. round matches.

Serena lost 2 (Madrid, Marbella 2009), Venus (San Diego, Oackland 1996), Amélie (Rome, RG 2009), Davenport (RG, Eastbourne 2003), Ana (Dubaï, Madrid 2011), Caroline (Toronto, Cincy 2011).

None of these players unless Wozniacki has ever lost 2 consecutive R1 matches as a reigning #1.


Hmmm...I could have sworn that Wozniacki won New Haven 1 week befoe USO and then made the semis in that Slam :scratch:
We already have ebough trolls here who are trash talking about Caro, we dont need another one ;)

And Serena in 2009 lost four matches in a row, 3 of them being in her opening match of a tournament so you are wrong again.

justineheninfan
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Nobody really deserves #1 this year. It is a travesty when you review each players results (without even wondering how much worse each would do in a stronger field) that any of them would be good enough for a ranking higher than #6, but that is the state of the current WTA. That said Kvitova definitely deserves Player of the Year, especialy if she wins here, and even if she doesnt unlike Wozniacki or Na do (unlikely).

Vikapower
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:03 PM
Hmmm...I could have sworn that Wozniacki won New Haven 1 week befoe USO and then made the semis in that Slam :scratch:
We already have ebough trolls here who are trash talking about Caro, we dont need another one ;)

I didn't say the contrary, yes ? :shrug: Caroline always wins New-haven and Copenhagen, decent players do not even play these events anymore...

And Serena in 2009 lost four matches in a row, 3 of them being in her opening match of a tournament so you are wrong again.

Where has Serena ever lost 4 consecutive R1 matches on the regular tour and main draws ? :lol: I think we have mis-comprehended ourselves here...

Matt01
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:27 PM
I didn't say the contrary, yes ? :shrug: Caroline always wins New-haven and Copenhagen, decent players do not even play these events anymore...


Oh sorry, I didn't read the "exluding part" part. I should have know that the tournaments Caro does well are automatically excluded and dismissed because they must be weak MM tourneys. :facepalm:



Where has Serena ever lost 4 consecutive R1 matches on the regular tour and main draws ? :lol: I think we have mis-comprehended ourselves here...


You said that Serena lost 2 consecutive 1st round matches in 2009. I remember that she lost 3 times at her opening round (Marbella, Rome, Madrid). Or are you counting a "Bye" in the first round as a win?

Monzanator
Oct 26th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Oh sorry, I didn't read the "exluding part" part. I should have know that the tournaments Caro does well are automatically excluded and dismissed because they must be weak MM tourneys. :facepalm:


You should know by now that winning International events doesn't get much credit for anyone ranked inside the Top 10 who also happens to be #1 (both current or former). I know perfectly well that Maria's wins in Memphis and Strasbourg meant nothing in the big picture. Woz's fans shouldn't really hype the New Haven or Copenhagen triumphs, IW and Dubai on the other hand are worthy of rubbing them in the face of the haters :wavey: Racking up the numbers is one thing but for instance I guess Stosur's single title of 2011 is much more meaningful for her fans then winning five MMs elsewhere.