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SwingVolley93
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Today's match for example, Aga usually has a positive winner/error ratio. And I've notice among all of Caroline's matches her opponents always have negative ratios. Yes, she is a great defensive player, but many girls can hit through her. What is it about her game that makes her opponents hit so many errors?:confused:

eck
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Have you not seen her play? It's been always the case since god knows when. She just keeps hitting the ball back forcing the other player to hit an extra shot. Til they miss.

MB.
Oct 25th, 2011, 09:28 PM
She makes you hit one more shot.

JCTennisFan
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:47 PM
She has no effective weapontry in her game to force the issue herself... so its usually just the other player either mentally collapsing or beating the snot out of her. The wins she get is usually when the other person self-destructs... which apparantly is often enough in this overly physical tour to get her to number 1...... for a whole year.

Jimmie48
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:49 PM
Uh, that's because her game style? Defensive, wearing her opponents out and pushing them to errors. The longer she keeps the ball in play, the more likely it is for her opponent to make a mistake, because they´re getting frustrated with her defensive capabilities and start risky shots.

She's been in the Top 10 for 128 weeks now, everybody has seen her play numerous times.

Italian power
Oct 25th, 2011, 10:50 PM
because she's a pusher :shrug:

No1Curr
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:05 AM
because she's a pusher :shrug:

This.

pov
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:43 AM
because she's a pusher
Yeah. It's a difficult playing-style to master but she's got it down. If she can add another power shot to her toolbox she may really blossom.

Kworb
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:47 AM
It's also her spin and weight of shot. And the depth of the shots. They're difficult to attack.

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:58 AM
It's also her spin and weight of shot. And the depth of the shots. They're difficult to attack.
Which is why players should hit to Caro's forehand which has no depth or weight :oh:. Also come to the net when Caro tries to throw up a defensive moonball.

Correct tactics are all that's required to beat Caro, it's just that the tour is filled with Brainlessova's who don't try anything except trying to outhit her :oh:.

Pump-it-UP
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:02 AM
It's also her spin and weight of shot. And the depth of the shots. They're difficult to attack.

This. But lately her depth has been nonexistent. :o It used to be quite exceptional though.

pav
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:02 AM
She wont have to force Bepa to make errors when she plays her,Bepa seems to be making them voluntarily :)

Otlichno
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:31 AM
It's also her spin and weight of shot. And the depth of the shots. They're difficult to attack.

This. When she was playing some of her best tennis of the year she seemed to be completely invincible to attacks, because she could get everything back deep and heavy enough for the rally to be (and I know this sounds ridiculous :lol:) on her terms.

Ryan
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:45 AM
Which is why players should hit to Caro's forehand which has no depth or weight :oh:. Also come to the net when Caro tries to throw up a defensive moonball.

Correct tactics are all that's required to beat Caro, it's just that the tour is filled with Brainlessova's who don't try anything except trying to outhit her :oh:.


It's obviously not that easy, or she wouldn't win like 80% of the matches she plays. :shrug: But I'll let all y'all armchair idiots keep theorizing. :wavey:

PLP
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:53 AM
Which is why players should hit to Caro's forehand which has no depth or weight :oh:. Also come to the net when Caro tries to throw up a defensive moonball.

Correct tactics are all that's required to beat Caro, it's just that the tour is filled with Brainlessova's who don't try anything except trying to outhit her :oh:.

That's not always true though, a lot of her forehands are deep, spinney, angled, etc.,

Of course it's her weaker wing and when it is short it's awful, completely attack-able.

pov
Oct 26th, 2011, 01:58 AM
lately her depth has been nonexistent. :o It used to be quite exceptional though.
It changed when she changed rackets. Although in the thread I made about that, many of the esteemed analysts who post here were quite adamant that the change played no part.

PLP
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:05 AM
It changed when she changed rackets. Although in the thread I made about that, many of the esteemed analysts who post here were quite adamant that the change played no part.

Well, I agreed with you and I am wondering if Caroline and her team will make a change. Her depth has not been as good this year though, I don't see how anyone could argue that.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Because she plays high percentage tennis and she is very fit and moves well.

Cajka
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Which is why players should hit to Caro's forehand which has no depth or weight :oh:. Also come to the net when Caro tries to throw up a defensive moonball.

Correct tactics are all that's required to beat Caro, it's just that the tour is filled with Brainlessova's who don't try anything except trying to outhit her :oh:.

Caro's moonballing forehand is not a club level moonball, it's very tricky for most of the girls on the tour. Some top level big hitter like Serena can steamroll it, of course, but some other players will make a mistake while trying to attack it. If you want to beat her, it's not enough to play on her forehand. There must be a smart shot selection (make her leave her comfort zone or make it hard for her to read - not easy btw.), very few mistakes, focus all the time, all the time, all the time... 'cause those balls will be back, back, back, back... But, you're right. Those who think that they can simply outhit her are mostly brainless. But I understand it's tempting 'cause it looks doable... just like kissing your elbow.

Otlichno
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:08 AM
It changed when she changed rackets. Although in the thread I made about that, many of the esteemed analysts who post here were quite adamant that the change played no part.

But she was playing some of the best tennis she had ever played during the Dubai-Indian Wells period, her form during before the clay season was great, and she was using the new racquet.

SwingVolley93
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:09 AM
I think also the way she carries herself does too. I think she genuinely annoys all of her opponents with her KAMANNNS and her fist pumps when she moonballs and gets errors. Even as a fan, it absolutely kills me to see her FH Moonball and her kaman fistpump. I couldn't imagine playing her! :hysteric:

EDIT: A fan of tennis, not Wozniacki :lol:

Craig.
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:12 AM
I think also the way she carries herself does too. I think she genuinely annoys all of her opponents with her KAMANNNS and her fist pumps when she moonballs and gets errors. Even as a fan, it absolutely kills me to see her FH Moonball and her kaman fistpump. I couldn't imagine playing her! :hysteric:

EDIT: A fan of tennis, not Wozniacki :lol:

Like you'd care if she hadn't played Radwanska today.

Novichok
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:12 AM
I think also the way she carries herself does too. I think she genuinely annoys all of her opponents with her KAMANNNS and her fist pumps when she moonballs and gets errors. Even as a fan, it absolutely kills me to see her FH Moonball and her kaman fistpump. I couldn't imagine playing her! :hysteric:

Her "kamans" force her opponents to hit errors? :lol:

bobito
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:31 AM
It's inaccurate to say she just keeps putting the ball back into play until the opponent misses. There is more to her game than that. She anticipates extremely well and has a great awareness of her opponents position in the court. As a result she is able to hit then ball where her opponent will have most difficulty playing an attacking shot. She also mixes up the pace. It's more than just good defence, she is drawing errors from her opponents. It's unspectacular but effective.

It is, however, a limited strategy. Forcing the opponent to take risks is all well and good but what do you do if they keep making those risky shots? It's then that she has no real answer. And that is the principle reason for her lack of success in grand slams. By the latter stages of a slam you are very likely going to come up against a player who is in great form and making those kind of shots.

MB.
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:35 AM
It's inaccurate to say she just keeps putting the ball back into play until the opponent misses. There is more to her game than that. She anticipates extremely well and has a great awareness of her opponents position in the court. As a result she is able to hit then ball where her opponent will have most difficulty playing an attacking shot. She also mixes up the pace. It's more than just good defence, she is drawing errors from her opponents. It's unspectacular but effective.

It is, however, a limited strategy. Forcing the opponent to take risks is all well and good but what do you do if they keep making those risky shots? It's then that she has no real answer. And that is the principle reason for her lack of success in grand slams. By the latter stages of a slam you are very likely going to come up against a player who is in great form and making those kind of shots.

This, whole-heartedly.

Some of you saying "she has no effective strategy"...are you kidding me? Yes, she's limited in terms of a power shot, but she does have a strategy, and against 90% of the tour, it works exceptionally well (well, maybe not the last couple months).

MisterMan
Oct 26th, 2011, 02:52 AM
To answer the original post question - it's because she is ridiculously talented. She hasn't held this top ranking for such a longgg time for no reason.
p.s. Those "moonballs" are tactical winners if u ask me. They are NOT the moonballs that we hit when we play. A win is a win weather people think it's "gorgeous" or not. She wins.

Temporary0369
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:02 AM
This.

Oh, whatevah! You don't know her.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 26th, 2011, 03:19 AM
Oh, whatevah! You don't know her.

that episode was hilarious.
"Whatevah, whatevah, I do what I want!"
"I roll with 12 gangs, and we only commit hate crimes! Whatevah, I do what i want" :sobbing:

NeoZod19
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:14 AM
That`s her style, her game. Can't do anything about that!!

OsloErik
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:50 AM
It's also her spin and weight of shot. And the depth of the shots. They're difficult to attack.

This. When she was playing some of her best tennis of the year she seemed to be completely invincible to attacks, because she could get everything back deep and heavy enough for the rally to be (and I know this sounds ridiculous :lol:) on her terms.

The big thing is she doesn't hit identical shots back-to-back. She adjusts the pace and depth and spin, not by a ton, and not as much off the forehand, and it keeps her opponents from getting the kind of rhythm required to take control of the rally.

Which is why players should hit to Caro's forehand which has no depth or weight :oh:. Also come to the net when Caro tries to throw up a defensive moonball.

Caro's moonballing forehand is not a club level moonball, it's very tricky for most of the girls on the tour. Some top level big hitter like Serena can steamroll it, of course, but some other players will make a mistake while trying to attack it. If you want to beat her, it's not enough to play on her forehand. There must be a smart shot selection (make her leave her comfort zone or make it hard for her to read - not easy btw.), very few mistakes, focus all the time, all the time, all the time... 'cause those balls will be back, back, back, back... But, you're right. Those who think that they can simply outhit her are mostly brainless. But I understand it's tempting 'cause it looks doable... just like kissing your elbow.

Part of it is how high she gets it. It's very hard to take an overhead without a bounce all the way back near the baseline. AND, she gets it in much more than the typical player.

Basically, her 100% defensive shots (the arcing defensive lobs) are the absolute toughest to turn around on out there.

It's inaccurate to say she just keeps putting the ball back into play until the opponent misses. There is more to her game than that. She anticipates extremely well and has a great awareness of her opponents position in the court. As a result she is able to hit then ball where her opponent will have most difficulty playing an attacking shot. She also mixes up the pace. It's more than just good defence, she is drawing errors from her opponents. It's unspectacular but effective.

It is, however, a limited strategy. Forcing the opponent to take risks is all well and good but what do you do if they keep making those risky shots? It's then that she has no real answer. And that is the principle reason for her lack of success in grand slams. By the latter stages of a slam you are very likely going to come up against a player who is in great form and making those kind of shots.

The big thing is how many looks at a ball she gives an opponent. She's not physically going to deteriorate in a match, but eventually an opponent will see all she can throw at them. And even if they can't translate that from match to match, they can figure it out if they can manage to stay in a match long enough.

lang26
Oct 26th, 2011, 04:52 AM
That`s her style, her game. Can't do anything about that!!


This people need to really get over. If that the case we ask stupid question all day about tennis player

rockstar
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:17 AM
she finds a way to make it work, so haters need to zip it!

claypova
Oct 26th, 2011, 05:28 AM
the OOP is a radwanska fan :tape::tape:

Johnbert
Oct 26th, 2011, 07:08 AM
is these a serious question? or was this just the 1st match you've seen from woz? :shrug:

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:51 AM
It's obviously not that easy, or she wouldn't win like 80% of the matches she plays. :shrug: But I'll let all y'all armchair idiots keep theorizing. :wavey:

OK I did exaggerate. But there are chinks in Caro's armour players could do a better job exploiting. For starters she's not comfortable at the net. Use some short FH crosscourt angles or short slices to bring her forward and then pass her or something, like Federer does against Roddick who also has a poor net game. I dunno :shrug:.

bandabou
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:55 AM
It's her gamestyle, no?! :lol: She does it well..not gonna win a major with it, but still can rack up lots of points and money.

Otlichno
Oct 26th, 2011, 10:58 AM
It certainly isn't good enough to win a major, but then again I didn't think it would be good enough to win as many Premier's as she has won. This is just another hard block Wozniacki has to go through, she seemed to have improved her game greatly, but after those 2 consecutive losses to Georges she's gone downhill.

Johnbert
Oct 26th, 2011, 11:01 AM
but after those 2 consecutive losses to Georges

lol, don't let jules read this :haha:

Otlichno
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:01 PM
:o

bandabou
Oct 26th, 2011, 12:45 PM
It certainly isn't good enough to win a major, but then again I didn't think it would be good enough to win as many Premier's as she has won. This is just another hard block Wozniacki has to go through, she seemed to have improved her game greatly, but after those 2 consecutive losses to Georges she's gone downhill.

On HC majors she should do fine, at least SF...but she'll need 'help' if she's to win a major imo. We'll see.

Ryan
Oct 26th, 2011, 09:13 PM
OK I did exaggerate. But there are chinks in Caro's armour players could do a better job exploiting. For starters she's not comfortable at the net. Use some short FH crosscourt angles or short slices to bring her forward and then pass her or something, like Federer does against Roddick who also has a poor net game. I dunno :shrug:.


I definitely agree - the hitting to the forehand comment WAS a big exaggeration. You're right that she has weaknesses, and players don't exploit them enough - I think that once you get into long rallies you probably "forget" what you intended to do and just go for broke/try to get the ball back.