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T_P
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:03 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8a_1318766954

I'm utterly appalled by this video. Is it typical Chinese to completely ignore other people or is this just what the world is coming to?? I've been to China and I must say I met some extremely rude people there, but this is something else...

Dani12
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Look, clearly an awful story...but I get so annoyed when people ask questions like that. Is this typical? What kind of question is that? obviously it isn't typical. You can go to any country in the world and meet some extremely rude people, when you group everybody from a country and you generalise people, all you are going to do is insult people from that country that are perfectly nice and good people...and in all honesty, I've met some great people from China, nice, polite and generous...and you know what, you could have just presented this as a news story because it's sensational (in a bad way).

Dominic
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Theey should be shot.

T_P
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:22 PM
Look, clearly an awful story...but I get so annoyed when people ask questions like that. Is this typical? What kind of question is that? obviously it isn't typical. You can go to any country in the world and meet some extremely rude people, when you group everybody from a country and you generalise people, all you are going to do is insult people from that country that are perfectly nice and good people...and in all honesty, I've met some great people from China, nice, polite and generous...and you know what, you could have just presented this as a news story because it's sensational (in a bad way).

If it happened in my country, the first 18 people who'd pass this child wouldn't have completely ignored her, I'm pretty sure of that. And yes, I met some extremely kind people in China as well.

Direwolf
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:25 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8a_1318766954

I'm utterly appalled by this video. Is it typical Chinese to completely ignore other people or is this just what the world is coming to?? I've been to China and I must say I met some extremely rude people there, but this is something else...

You should've just put a WARNING sign. That was an awful video.

Dani12
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:34 PM
If it happened in my country, the first 18 people who'd pass this child wouldn't have completely ignored her, I'm pretty sure of that. And yes, I met some extremely kind people in China as well.

Probably not...but perhaps it was unlucky to get 18 dick heads. Perhaps another 18 Chinese people walked passed and they all wouldn't have ignored her. It's an unlucky circumstance, but if you are just going to sit there and say that there are more rude and insensitive people in China than Beglium, I have nothing else to say to you..whatever man.

Mynarco
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM
That is a long story to explain why the moral value is somehow non-existent among some people in China(To simplify it, Cultural Revolution happened 40-50 years ago was the main culprit). People might fear ending up in trouble if they helped other people because it might be a set-up (Yup, there are some baddies actually extorting their fellow this way).

What I want to point out is that China is on her way to rebuild everything (including to reinstate their moral value). But they have 1.3 billion and it takes time.

Elwin.
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Disgusting :o
Poor girl :hug:

Mistress of Evil
Oct 17th, 2011, 04:01 PM
this is beyond sick, twisted and monstrous :o 18 people, yeah right none of these animals deserves to be referred to as a human being and that freak who ran over the poor innocent creature must suffer for eternity :tape: Such things make you question humanity!

SAISAI-GOAT
Oct 17th, 2011, 06:14 PM
people were probably afraid that if they helped, they would be arrested :shrug:

Londoner
Oct 17th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Having read the posts here I've decided not to watch the video. I have bad dreams now and then as it is.

Super Dave
Oct 17th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Having read the posts here I've decided not to watch the video. I have bad dreams now and then as it is.

Wise decision.

F*ck this world.

tennismaster8820
Oct 17th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Disgusting, I would never believe something like this can happen anywhere.
I still can't believe that really happened!
Those people have no soul, robots, happy that I don't live in such enviroment.

Safe-From-Harm
Oct 17th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Dear God....I still can`t believe, I don`t want to... it is unreal.
World went to Hell.

ivanban
Oct 17th, 2011, 08:55 PM
people were probably afraid that if they helped, they would be arrested :shrug:

Arrested for what?! :help:

Monica_Rules
Oct 17th, 2011, 08:59 PM
That was horrible. So many bad things to talk about but its too upsetting to even write them down

Mary Cherry.
Oct 17th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Things rarely shock or surprise me but that video has made me feel sick. Awful.

Darop.
Oct 17th, 2011, 10:55 PM
That's digusting, but I wouldn't generalise on a whole country.

I once had an accident on a motorbike, a car knocked me over and just kept driving. I was laying on the floor with my motorbike upside down next to me, and the first 7-8 cars just passed by without helping me. Then a car stopped and the driver got out to help me, and ironically enough it was a man from the south of Italy, which many people in the north have a prejudice against :lol: I wasn't in danger of life anything, just had some ugly cuts and bruises. I'm not trying to compare my case with that of this poor kid, but it just goes to show you that dickheads are all over in the world.

An italian motto says: "le mamme degli idioti sono sempre incinte" (the mothers of idiots are always pregnant :p )

LeRoy.
Oct 17th, 2011, 11:02 PM
I haven't seen the video and can't comment on that. I live in Boston and take the "T" (the metro/train) everyday and most of the time, Asian (mostly Chinese) people will push others out of their way to board the train or to get a seat. I was once with a Chinese guy and asked him if this was normal and he was slightly embarrassed and said that this behavior was actually much better than how people behave in China. :help:

cowsonice
Oct 17th, 2011, 11:04 PM
^That's true.

It kinda explains why Asians are bad drivers kind of stereotype.

Ashi
Oct 18th, 2011, 12:26 AM
That hit and run driver. :mad: :fiery: :fiery:

A child!!:sad:


people were probably afraid that if they helped, they would be arrested :shrug:

I can't disagree with this statement. This is mostly true.

moby
Oct 18th, 2011, 12:49 AM
Every time, I want to do something nice, I remember I'm Chinese and I stop myself and do the complete opposite. I go out of my way to do things like spit on homeless people on the streets. It's definitely a racial and cultural thing.

LeonHart
Oct 18th, 2011, 01:58 AM
This is "typical" Chinese behavior. They don't give a rats ass about anyone else but themselves. This is how they behave in China and how they behave when they visit other countries. Taiwan has been having issues lately about having rude Chinese tourists cutting in lines and causing a lot of drama in tourists areas, ever since Taiwan opened up their borders to the Chinese. To Westerners, no you just don't understand unless you speak and understand Chinese. China is a cold cold country and they act like they are above everyone else. Of course not EVERYONE is like this but most are.

delicatecutter
Oct 18th, 2011, 02:10 AM
You must mean each Chinese cares only about his or himself which I find hard to believe. Unless things are so bad in China that seeing a toddler dying in the street is nothing new. With the government the way it is there, sometimes the best thing is just to mind your business and keep to yourself. Not saying it's right, but it's the reality.

Talula
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:46 AM
If that video and story is for real it is one of hte worst things I have seen ever.

Mashabator
Oct 18th, 2011, 08:53 AM
How heartless for those people to keep walking and how didnt that person see the person they ran over?
why would people be arrested for helping?

Sp!ffy
Oct 18th, 2011, 09:13 AM
I'm only speaking for myself but I would rather get arrested than watch a little kid die in her puddle of blood.

Talula
Oct 18th, 2011, 09:21 AM
I'm only speaking for myself but I would rather get arrested than watch a little kid die in her puddle of blood.

:worship:I think you're speaking for all right minded people.

Sp!ffy
Oct 18th, 2011, 09:26 AM
How heartless for those people to keep walking and how didnt that person see the person they ran over?
why would people be arrested for helping?

China court systems aren't based on the same democratic principles of countries like the United States or Australia; that is, people are not innocent until proven guilty.

Here's an excerpt from an Los Angeles Times article I read:

Last week, a bus driver who helped an elderly woman who fell ill on the bus collected the contact details of four eyewitnesses in the event he was accused of harming the woman.

In the past week it was reported that a tourist from the U.S. jumped into West Lake in Hangzhou to save a suicidal woman. Many are questioning why none of the Chinese bystanders did anything to help. The case has elicited a similar torrent of outrage online.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/10/toddler-hit-and-run-china-soul-searching-outrage.html

These Chinese people must ask themselves if it's worth it and unfortunately for many, it just isn't. I obviously don't know what it's like to live in these circumstances but my brain just cannot comprehend how anyone could walk away from that, no matter what the consequences of helping her could have been...

ampers&
Oct 19th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Good lord. Appalling. Absolutely appalling. How inhumane can you get?

Infiniti2001
Oct 19th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Unbelievable :sad: Whatever happened to humanity? :sobbing:

claypova
Oct 19th, 2011, 07:05 AM
:help::help::help:

gorecki
Oct 19th, 2011, 08:18 AM
http://l1.yimg.com/cv/ae/ap/default/111018/392yahoo_yuemother.jpg
Mum of Chinese hit-and-run victim calls rescuer 'a good person'

http://www.asianewsnet.net/photo/news/girl_copy1.jpg

The parents of Yue Yue, a girl who had been run over by two vehicles, kneel down on Sunday to thank Chen Xianmei, who have moved their daughter to a safe place. [Provided to China Daily]


http://sg.news.yahoo.com/mum-of-chinese-hit-and-run-victim-calls-rescuer--a-good-person--.html

Despite critics' disparagements of the woman who rescued a 2-year-old girl this past week in Foshan, Guangdong province, the girl's mother said she believes the rescuer is a good person.

'I don't have enough words to thank her with,' the mother, who would identify herself only as Qu, said at the hospital on Monday.

Her praise was for Chen Xianmei, a 57-year-old woman who moved Mrs Qu's daughter Yue Yue to the side of a road after the girl had been run over by a van and a truck in a hardware market this past Thursday. Before Mrs Chen came to the rescue, 18 people had walked past Yue Yue without helping her.

A number of shopkeepers close to the accident scene denied that they had witnessed what had happened. Mrs Chen was the first person to offer help.

The rescuer hails from Qingyuan, Guangdong province, and lives with her son in Foshan, cooking meals at a small company in the morning and picking up rags in the afternoon.

According to Mrs Qu, Mrs Chen would occasionally remove refuse from the shop Mrs Qu runs in the hardware market.

'Every time she saw used cartons or plastic bottles, she would ask me, 'Do you still want them or not?' before she collected them,' Mrs Qu said. 'She is a good person. There is no doubt about that.'

Learning of the case, the public has poured out its anger on the passers-by who ignored the girl while praising Mrs Chen for being the only person at the accident scene who gave evidence of possessing a conscience.

Recalling the accident, Mrs Chen said: 'I was picking up trash in the hardware market when I saw a child lying in the road. I walked up in a hurry to the girl and heard her groan. I lifted her up and saw that one of her eyes was closed, that she had tears in her eyes, and she was bleeding from her mouth, nose and the back of her head.

'I wanted to carry her but she was soft and collapsed immediately. I was scared to try again and so I dragged her to the side of the road and shouted for help. But nobody showed up,' Mrs Chen was quoted in Yangcheng Evening News as saying. Mrs Chen asked a few nearby shopkeepers who the girl was and only heard 'I don't know' in reply.

Mrs Chen said she was not afraid of being wrongfully blamed for the accident. 'When I see old people who fall down, I help them,' she said. 'Somebody has to help. The most important thing is to save a life. She was just a little child. It was dark, but I could definitely see her.'

Since the rescue, Mrs Chen said she has been bewildered by the number of requests for media interviews she has received. She also heard that critics have accused her of helping the girl merely out of a desire for publicity.

Her daughter-in-law, who declined to state her full name, said those comments have been disappointing.

'Is it really so difficult to be a good person?' she said.

Mrs Qu said she puts no stock in what the critics are saying.

'I am truly grateful,' she said. 'She is really kind, not the type of person who enjoys publicity.'

Speaking of the indifferent passers-by, Mrs Qu said: 'I won't judge them. Let them make their own judgment. If they are married and have children, they will know. But I bear no grudge and refuse to be disappointed by society. Many kind people have come to help.'

Mrs Qu said she plans to stay by her daughter's side at the hospital where the girl is undergoing treatment.

'I didn't care for my child very well, and it's my fault,' she said. 'But Yue Yue can't leave her mother and her mum won't leave her.'

Yue Yue, who remains in a critical condition, underwent a special test of her brainstem on Monday. The results of that will show whether she is brain dead, said Dr Wang Weimin, director of the neurosurgery department of the General Hospital of the Guangzhou Military Command of the People's Liberation Army. The hospital said the test results will be made public on Tuesday.

Yue Yue's mother wrote on her micro blog that her daughter's four limbs have shown signs of having feeling and a doctor said her progress has been much better than expected.

Meanwhile, the civilisation office of Foshan's Nanhai district presented 10,000 yuan (S$1,987) to Mrs Chen on Monday as a reward for her kind deed, said Mr Guo Yu, director of the office.

'I feel indignant and disappointed about the passers-by, who should reflect on what their behaviour says about themselves,' he said. 'It wasn't that difficult to help the girl, and Chen Xianmei did it out of her heart and conscience.'

Charity groups have received donations for the girl and Mrs Chen, Mr Guo said.

As for the drivers who hit Yue Yue, one has been caught by the police and the other has turned himself in, Wang Zhen'an, chief of the Foshan traffic police, said on Monday.

Otlichno
Oct 19th, 2011, 02:27 PM
I'm horrified that 18 people would just walk past. I'm also horrified so many of you are just jumping to the conclusion that this is in any way a representation of the whole Chinese community. I've never been in China, but the few Chinese I know are some of the nicest people I know.

Poor kid though. :bigcry: I couldn't watch it all it was horrible.

*Jean*
Oct 19th, 2011, 03:47 PM
this is just horrible

Just Do It
Oct 19th, 2011, 10:29 PM
This is "typical" Chinese behavior. They don't give a rats ass about anyone else but themselves. This is how they behave in China and how they behave when they visit other countries. Taiwan has been having issues lately about having rude Chinese tourists cutting in lines and causing a lot of drama in tourists areas, ever since Taiwan opened up their borders to the Chinese. To Westerners, no you just don't understand unless you speak and understand Chinese. China is a cold cold country and they act like they are above everyone else. Of course not EVERYONE is like this but most are.

WOW That was harsh.

I bet they are thinking, there are 1.3 billion people in this country, one kid more or less, who cares ?

Srodgers
Oct 19th, 2011, 11:26 PM
That just makes me sick :o

And please I want to know, how could this lady possibly be arrested as NA-MUG stated???

Keadz
Oct 19th, 2011, 11:34 PM
Maybe if this gains extensive media interest in China there will be a change in social norms. Thats ofcourse pressuming that there is a problem in the first place.

The criticism that she saved the girl for publicity I find hard to comprehend. WTF?

stevos
Oct 20th, 2011, 12:04 AM
I'm not going to say anything about Chinese people, because you can't make racial biases based on one video in one part of China, but one interesting thing I did hear is that when a friend of mine was in China, she watched a man jump off a bridge to commit suicide, and she tried to do something to help but no one passing by would even look or listen to her, essentially pretending the man wasn't there.
I'm not going to call it immoral, but I am just curious why this kind of phenomenon exists there? Maybe it's not the reality for all Chinese people but I'm curious why the social settings seem to lead to this.

Also, stories of people being jerks and ignoring people in need are ancient. This is literally the plot of the good Samaritan, told thousands of years ago.

moby
Oct 20th, 2011, 12:22 AM
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delicatecutter
Oct 20th, 2011, 01:36 AM
China is a communist state. You're taught not to draw attention to yourself, I would presume. Everything is for the collective "we". I wonder where were these little girl's parents allowing their toddler to tumble off into the street? :help:

Nicolás89
Oct 20th, 2011, 01:59 AM
What if the toddler was a boy? Maybe I'm over-stereotyping by making the next claim but I would bet my house that one of the first 3 people who walked by the toddler would had help if it wasn't a little girl.

dsanders06
Oct 20th, 2011, 02:03 AM
That just makes me sick :o

And please I want to know, how could this lady possibly be arrested as NA-MUG stated???

If you've read NA-MUG's comment, then you've presumably read the whole thread; in that case, how did you miss Spiffy's post where he stated clearly why it's possible someone in China would be arrested for this type of thing?

I'm not defending what those passers-by did - clearly it's wrong. But most of us have the luxury of living in a society where (rightly) you can help injured people without being arrested. And for all the holier-than-thou preaching in this thread, it's likely that 90% of people here, if they had happened to grow up in China, probably wouldn't've acted any differently - it takes a rare amount of goodwill and selflessness for a humanbeing to actually help someone out in this way when they have to put their liberty at risk to do it - as opposed to most of us in Western societies, who are thankfully able to help someone who's been run over WITHOUT putting our liberty at risk. But when liberty IS at risk when you try and save other humanbeings, most people in Western societies would act just the same, as shown by the fact most Germans turned a blind eye to concentration camps.

Hopefully this whole affair will have taught the Chinese authorities to change their justice system so that people wouldn't face being arrested for doing this in the future, seeing as the justice system is where the blame needs to lie for this tragedy, rather than lazily going along with the "all Chinese people are born evil" bandwagon.

delicatecutter
Oct 20th, 2011, 02:05 AM
It didn't seem that obvious that it was a little girl, though.

Word to everything dsanders said. These people have been brainwashed to feel like cattle for the collective good.

Tweety Snape
Oct 20th, 2011, 02:07 AM
This sickens me. :fiery: Maybe it's because I've lived in America all my life, but I'm really ashamed to be Chinese right now. How can anybody, let alone 18 people, pass by someone who has been injured like that? Disgusting.

Ashi
Oct 20th, 2011, 04:41 AM
I don't presume to be informed about China. But, as I stated before I cannot disagree with LI- MUG. Because it's almost the same here. I can't condone what those 18 people did by ignoring that child, but I won't cast stones either, knowing how it is in my own country. And I wont label a whole country as inhumane.

For us, the main reason is primarily the law, where if you take an accident victim to the hospital, the law states that the hospital (public or private) won't admit the patient till the police have arrived on the scene, have questioned the parties involved and then have given the go ahead. Thus, in effect helping a victim who is fatally injured becomes a police matter.God forbid if the vicitm dies in your custody. And people are scared witless of the police. They don't mind being labelled as apathetic as long as they don't have to come into contact with the police.

There are cases where hospitals won't admit the patient if you don't pay a % of the bill in a couple of hours of arrival. That onus is on the rescuer of the victim, whether he can pay the bill in time, till the victim's family have been informed and arrive at the hospital.

This is just one example: http://aware.instablogs.com/entry/so-thats-why-people-dont-help-accident-victims/

There has been news that this law has been changed in 2007.

http://www.legallyindia.com/Legal-issues-talk-and-help/2990-Supreme-Court-Verdict-on-Treatment-of-Accident-Victims

But such fears still remain in the psyche of the public. They will notify the police, will take the victim to the hospital only after the police have arrived on the scene. Many a time, it is too late.

Well, I have the case of my own cousin who was hit and run in by a car in Delhi, he had a major head injury. I'm sure many people ignored him lying there in a pool of blood, but one rickshaw driver rescued him, took him to the hospital, informed the police, and even payed Rs 8,000 in installments to the hospital. My cousin is from Mumbai, he had gone to delhi for an exam, and didn't have an ID on him at the time. We couldn't contact my cousin for 3 days. When he finally came around, he telephoned his mom and arranged for his departure to Mumbai and paid his rescuer in full. Everytime I visit my cousin and see his scars from his accident, I'm reminded that there is humanity after all. :)

Also, you won't see people ignoring others during floods, diasters, terrorists attacks. I've seen enough good samaritans during these events to believe that humanity is alive and well. There is always a background circumstance and most importantly your personal choice.

MLF
Oct 21st, 2011, 12:42 PM
Terrible story. Apparently the poor child has died. :sad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15398332

M.S.F
Oct 21st, 2011, 03:14 PM
OMG :o