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Sally Struthers
Oct 5th, 2011, 11:51 PM
Please don't let my Apple stock tank tomorrow! :sobbing: :scared:

dybbuk
Oct 5th, 2011, 11:51 PM
T_______T Omg. I couldn't believe this when I saw it.

Pump-it-UP
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:00 AM
RIP

Not surprised in the slightest though after all of the reports that have come out. :sad:

mckyle.
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:03 AM
I knew he had health problems, but no idea he was near-death. Damn.

*JR*
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:06 AM
RIP to a true innovator.

http://techbu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/apple-logo.jpg

antonella
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:10 AM
This marks the end of an era. Thanks for changing the world.

duhcity
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:11 AM
:( Rip

WowWow
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:15 AM
rip

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:16 AM
RIP to a man who made a difference in the tech world... and beyond :hug:

Mary Cherry.
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:16 AM
iDead

Edward.
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Farewell to one of the greatest heroes of my lifetime.

http://jobssteve.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/197417-steve_jobs_large.jpg

ptkten
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:54 AM
The guy changed the way we communicate. I couldn't imagine living without my iPhone now and I'm sure there are millions of people around the world who feel the same way with various apple products. He really is one of the most influential people of the last 100 years.

Kəv.
Oct 6th, 2011, 12:59 AM
RIP :sobbing: Thank you for changing the world!
:bigcry:

RVD
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:09 AM
Not surprising.
Wifey and I discussed his waning state last week and thought this would happen soon.
Certainly an incredible entrepreneur, and inventor.
I wish his 4 children and wife, Laurene, well.
His passing will undoubtedly have an impact on Apple Inc. and its stocks.

Novichok
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:23 AM
RIP :bigcry:

Sp!ffy
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:23 AM
A true inspiration to my generation. :worship:

Whitehead's Boy
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:51 AM
It is always sad when a man dies but since when do people shed tears when a CEO dies? Of course I think it is very sad for his friends and his family, but I did not know the man, there is no reason to be cry on the Internet and Twitter. Are people also shedding tears for the Chinese Apple workers who commit suicide because of their poor working conditions? When Starbucks CEO will die, you will not care one bit, so don't call me insensitive.

If people enjoy Apple products, fine, but where's the innovation? Apple is 80% brand marketing and image. They certainly did not invent tablets, they just marketed one. Also, how do people know Jobs himself have been innovative? Have they been behind his desktop? Since Apple doesn't even offer innovative products, and Apple is obviously a massive team of people and not just a man, this is all silly.

delicatecutter
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:53 AM
I knew a detractor would show up. :worship:

darrinbaker00
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:54 AM
It is always sad when a man dies but since when do people shed tears when a CEO dies? Of course I think it is very sad for his friends and his family, but I did not know the man, there is no reason to be cry on the Internet and Twitter. Are people also shedding tears for the Chinese Apple workers who commit suicide because of their poor working conditions? When Starbucks CEO will die, you will not care one bit, so don't call me insensitive.

If people enjoy Apple products, fine, but where's the innovation? Apple is 80% brand marketing and image. They certainly did not invent tablets, they just marketed one. Also, how do people know Jobs himself have been innovative? Have they been behind his desktop? Since Apple doesn't even offer innovative products, and Apple is obviously a massive team of people and not just a man, this is all silly.

You felt compelled to post that because.....?

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:08 AM
:speakles: I remember I read about him resigning his CEO job (was it him?) recently and now this?:speakles:

R.I.P. Steve.

Edward.
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:16 AM
You felt compelled to post that because.....?

He's the forum's preeminent troll. :shrug:

delicatecutter
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:19 AM
He's the forum's preeminent troll. :shrug:

And you think sexually-active girls are sluts. :shrug:

Edward.
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:22 AM
And you think sexually-active girls are sluts. :shrug:

What does that (factually inaccurate statement) have to do with Steve Jobs?

delicatecutter
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:23 AM
What does that have to do with Steve Jobs?

As much as it had to do with you calling that poster a troll.

Edward.
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:30 AM
As much as it had to do with you calling that poster a troll.

I was answering Darren's question. Whitehead's Boy's trolling is storied in the history of this forum.

Your banal comments and attempts to derail this thread are an annoyance to me. Please shut up and keep the thread on topic.

*unsubscribes*

Svetlana)))
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:52 AM
RIP. A true legend and pioneer :bigclap:

Talita Kumi
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:56 AM
:(

Sp!ffy
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:58 AM
It is always sad when a man dies but since when do people shed tears when a CEO dies?

Since when did CEOs cease to be regular, human beings? People can become emotionally attached to anything, including a man who changed an entire industry.

McPie
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:19 AM
bye, Steve.

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:58 AM
RIP.

This is really not the best time to say it, but since there's hardly any other time since people don't discuss Apple, I don't get the fuss and I think it's incredibly overrated. The only thing Apple had is its slick designs. I have no idea why the iPOD got so popular and dominated everything, but it's hardly very efficient and mp3 players were only a matter of time. I also find the Mac not the most userfirendly or ingenious software - certainly not on par with windows.

RIP again, but I won't act like humanity lost a god or soemthing.

gentenaire
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:11 AM
RIP :(

Jobs really was a visionary, changed the way we communicate, the way we listen to music. People in this thread might downplay it as much as they like, but Apple is way more than just 'slick design'.

currie84
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:29 AM
how exactly did he change the way we listen to music?If anythin he changed it for the worse.

Dodoboy.
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:58 AM
Rest in Peace to a true innovator.

Direwolf
Oct 6th, 2011, 08:15 AM
how exactly did he change the way we listen to music?If anythin he changed it for the worse.

Some people tend to keep a close mind. Being ignorant of what's happening.

currie84
Oct 6th, 2011, 08:25 AM
^^Vinyl to CDS to crappy compressed mp3s...de-evolution of music right there.

Beat
Oct 6th, 2011, 08:30 AM
this doesn't come as a huge surprise, he looked so thin and frail the last time i saw pictures of him.

I also find the Mac not the most userfirendly or ingenious software - certainly not on par with windows.

good joke :lol:

BartoLiNa
Oct 6th, 2011, 08:39 AM
I have never bought an Apple product :)

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:04 AM
RIP :(

Jobs really was a visionary, changed the way we communicate, the way we listen to music. People in this thread might downplay it as much as they like, but Apple is way more than just 'slick design'.

What is it? Did Jobs "discover" the mp3 player? The smartphone?

What revolutionized music was digital music in the form of mp3, not the iPod. The iPod just happened to become the most popular mp3 player (for reasons beyond me) and once it dominated the market there was no way back. I do believe marketing and design (which is indeed brilliant) is at the heart of the Apple success.

good joke

OK your opinion if you find the Mac so good and efficient. But not mine. I don't think it's nearly as user friendly as Windows, which truly revolutionized user-interface. Overrated.

Bijoux0021
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:17 AM
RIP. :sad:

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:50 AM
Very sad, I didn't know he was that ill. I love my iPhone and MacBook Pro! And one of the fags I'm usually stuck with has an iPad. Great products.

Jimmie48
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Extremely sad, I´m a Mac user for over a decade now, a brilliant inventor has passed.

RIP :sad:

Drimal
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:57 AM
RIP :sad:

Many great men have died in 2011, so sad.

Beat
Oct 6th, 2011, 10:07 AM
apoleb, do you really think this is the right place and time for your rants?

Mary Cherry.
Oct 6th, 2011, 11:33 AM
:speakles: I remember I read about him resigning his CEO job (was it him?) recently and now this?:speakles:

R.I.P. Steve.

I think that's why the news isn't so shocking - he stepped down for heath reasons and as Beat said, there was a photo leaked of him not long after he resigned where he really did look frail.

Super Dave
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:11 PM
:sad: RIP.

Ashi
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:14 PM
Mostly expected.

RIP.

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:29 PM
apoleb, do you really think this is the right place and time for your rants?

No and yes.

No, because I don't want this to be taken as if I'm making light of the death of a fairly young person with a terrible and painful disease. I sympathize with his suffering in the last years of his life, and this is terrible thing to handle for the people close to him and those who knew him personally.

Yes, because the only reason we have this thread and why this is the #1 media story despite the fact that thousands of people have died on this day from similarly tragic events is that he "changed the world" and he "revolutionized our culture" or something. I take issue with those things. He was very successful in his job, made millions out of it, and his skill was with his selling his products. That doesn't exactly make him the Gandhi of the IT world. Apple didn't introduce the mp3 player, the desktop computer, the smart phone, or any revolutionary software. They just knew how to market them and beat their competitors.

*JR*
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:29 PM
To the detractors of Steve, and I'd say the same if it were Bill Gates instead: Amerigo Vespucci (http://library.thinkquest.org/4034/vespucci.html) didn't discover the Western hemisphere for Europe even in his own era, let alone far earlier (like Leif Ericson, and perhaps the Phoenicians).

But he made the concept of "the new world" widely popular there. Guess who the Americas, the continents thereof, the A in USA, etc. are named for. Sure Steve assembled a team of geniuses (as did Bill). Without such coaches or managers though, little would happened in terms of the product lines in question.

Ashi
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Why are they calling him the modern day 'Thomas Edison'? :confused:

ampers&
Oct 6th, 2011, 01:39 PM
No and yes.

No, because I don't want this to be taken as if I'm making light of the death of a fairly young person with a terrible and painful disease. I sympathize with his suffering in the last years of his life, and this is terrible thing to handle for the people close to him and those who knew him personally.

Yes, because the only reason we have this thread and why this is the #1 media story despite the fact that thousands of people have died on this day from similarly tragic events is that he "changed the world" and he "revolutionized our culture" or something. I take issue with those things. He was very successful in his job, made millions out of it, and his skill was with his selling his products. That doesn't exactly make him the Gandhi of the IT world. Apple didn't introduce the mp3 player, the desktop computer, the smart phone, or any revolutionary software. They just knew how to market them and beat their competitors.
I agree with you completely.

R.I.P. nonetheless though. Cancer is a terrible disease and pancreatic cancer is usually an automatic death sentence. Hopefully his death will spread more awareness about the tragic illness.

LeRoy.
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:03 PM
RIP Steve Jobs but, yes, nothing he "invented" truly "changed the world for good".

mckyle.
Oct 6th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Steve Jobs was just, ughhhh, so mainstream. Such a sell-out.

Ashi
Oct 6th, 2011, 03:11 PM
Steve Jobs was just, ughhhh, so mainstream. Such a sell-out.

Says a Gaga Fan. :oh:

Elisse
Oct 6th, 2011, 03:20 PM
I also find the Mac not the most userfirendly or ingenious software - certainly not on par with windows.


That's your opinion - my opinion is that Mac products are extremely user-friendly and far superior to any Windows system. Yeah, they are very over priced but their products are iconic and do last much longer than cheaper alternatives on the market. (I only started using computers because of Mac back in 1994, I always felt intimidated by PC's but Macs were more approachable...since then I've worked with Linux, Windows and to me, Mac is still the best)

Jobs designed products that were different than others, their products are sexy and cool....that's why so many other companies try so hard to copy them.



RIP Steve Jobs - innovator, visionary, genius 

Elisse
Oct 6th, 2011, 03:29 PM
Also want to add.....when iPad was first released in the UK, if you walked into any Apple Store you would see everyone of all ages trying the demo iPads....from young kids to older people (Even my 80 year old Grandmother instinctively knew how to use my iPad, even though she had never even touched a computer in her life)

There aren't many gadgets that could have the same said about them :)

*JR*
Oct 6th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Why are they calling him the modern day 'Thomas Edison'? :confused:

Actually Edison (like Jobs vs. Bill Gates) had a "shared legacy" with a rival, in terms of electric current; a Serbian onetime employee named Nikola Tesla (http://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htm). Edison invented the DC (direct current) form of electric transmission, and fired Tesla, who then invented AC (alternating current).

So Tesla found a backer in the industrialist George Westinghouse, whose surname is far better known today. The main difference as I understand it is that AC covers great distances quickly, but would "fry" certain sensitive appliances (thus AC-DC transformers) while DC is the reverse. BTW, Tesla was a lousy businessman, and died broke.

Its a historical irony that we power Edison's other famous lasting invention (the phonograph being passe, though it popularized recorded music enough to pave the way for CD's and in turn MP3's) the incandescent light bulb... with AC power transmission developed by a guy Edison decided (as Dawn Marie would say) "needs fired". :help:

Of course that bulb will finally yield to compact flourescents after well ova a century (ova the objections of climate change skeptics like Milf-chele Bachmann) but I'll bet that the GE that Edison founded winds up with a major share of the market for them. Westinghouse makes light bulbs too of course, though not nearly as many.

ico4498
Oct 6th, 2011, 03:55 PM
http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2011/10/98935_600.jpg

RIP

LoveFifteen
Oct 6th, 2011, 04:16 PM
RIP.

This is really not the best time to say it, but since there's hardly any other time since people don't discuss Apple, I don't get the fuss and I think it's incredibly overrated. The only thing Apple had is its slick designs. I have no idea why the iPOD got so popular and dominated everything, but it's hardly very efficient and mp3 players were only a matter of time. I also find the Mac not the most userfirendly or ingenious software - certainly not on par with windows.

RIP again, but I won't act like humanity lost a god or soemthing.

Oh, gurl, this is definitely the appropriate time and place for sharing your opinion on the iPod and the user-friendliness of Macs. :o

Please never change! You're such a delight to have on this forum. :unsure:

gentenaire
Oct 6th, 2011, 04:32 PM
Apple didn't introduce the mp3 player, the desktop computer, the smart phone, or any revolutionary software.

He did introduce these things to the grand public by taking it way further than anyone else. It really is way more than just a pretty design. It's not just the ipod, it's itunes as well. It's made buying music legally very easy, it's meant that lots of people stopped buying hard copies and simply buy everything digitally. Every single little thing it well thought out, from the plugs, to the packaging.

Apple, and basically Steve Jobs, did revolutionise technology. He realised better than anyone else what people wanted. Every time I look at my Sony remote control, I'm reminded how brilliant Apple is. My sony remote control has about a hundred buttons. I think I use about 5 of them. Apple products are so brilliantly developed that they're very easy to use. Just a few buttons and you control everything with it.
We bought my 65-year old mother an ipad for her birthday. She can use it without needing any kind of help from us. It's just so easy to use that she doesn't need any instructions.

No one but Apple thought the Ipod would work. When the rumours came of the ipad, people were convinced it would be a flop as we already had the kindle, etc. But the clever thing about an iphone or ipad is that it's so much more than just a phone. You can do so much with it we never thought possible.
Three years ago, I never would have thought I'd control the music in all my rooms with my iphone. I never thought I'd use my iphone to control the lights in my house, the heating, ventilation, certain switches, control my blinds, etc. I never thought I'd own any other phone than a Nokia, was convinced no other brand could beat Nokia's ease of use. But Nokia completely missed the smart phone craze. Yes, you had phones that you could use for your calendar and addresses, etc. When I was in Japan a few years before the iphone came out, it seemed the next big thing in phones was to be phones with a screen so you could watch TV on them. Japan was so far ahead of the rest when it come to technology. At the time, no one had predicted the possibilities that an iphone has. All those brands, Nokia, Sony, etc. lacked Steve Jobs' vision and missed out.

galadriel
Oct 6th, 2011, 04:48 PM
:sad: :sad:

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:07 PM
He did introduce these things to the grand public by taking it way further than anyone else. It really is way more than just a pretty design. It's not just the ipod, it's itunes as well. It's made buying music legally very easy, it's meant that lots of people stopped buying hard copies and simply buy everything digitally. Every single little thing it well thought out, from the plugs, to the packaging.



The mp3 player craze was bound to happen. It wasn't the iPod that made digital music popular. Digital music was already starting to crush the market with Napster. It was only a matter of time before mp3 players took over CD players. At best, it's such a stretch to claim Apple "revolutionized music". You talk as if Apple invented the online music store too. The success of iTunes is largely due to the popularity of the iPod to start with, and after all it was released 2 years after iPod was introduced. With or without the iPod, I would have a hard tiem imagining any scenario where mp3 players didn't come to dominate and replace CD players. The "revolution" was there when mp3 songs were available for download at 3/4 mb. That's the real revolution. As for smartphones, the iPhone is not dominating the market to start with. It's a successful smartphone, but it didn't really "change the world".

Mr.Sharapova
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:16 PM
RIP.

A real world changer and hard working man :yeah:.

BlueTrees
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:31 PM
:awww: :wavey:

I wonder who will replace his "Job" :oh:

Petkorazzi
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:46 PM
I mostly agree with Apoleb, he was a really successful businessman but I don't think he was this innovator everyone says he was. He just saw the opportunity for the new market and took great use of it. Furthermore, he wasn't really that great of a person either, was he? I don't even remember his name being mentioned with a charity (and a quick google search didn't find anything either) and after all, he sold the iPods for 50+ bucks when they probably cost $5 to make.

dybbuk
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:52 PM
I mostly agree with Apoleb, he was a really successful businessman but I don't think he was this innovator everyone says he was. He just saw the opportunity for the new market and took great use of it. Furthermore, he wasn't really that great of a person either, was he? I don't even remember his name being mentioned with a charity (and a quick google search didn't find anything either) and after all, he sold the iPods for 50+ bucks when they probably cost $5 to make.

Agree. A quick Google search is all it takes to know that someone is an awful person or not.

Have people always been so callous? Someone dies and people rush to make sure everyone knows "no1curr. he wasn't that gr8 anyway." His body was still warm and people were already making sure people know Macs suck, so this isn't a loss. Sometimes humans just make you shake your head.

Petkorazzi
Oct 6th, 2011, 05:59 PM
What the hell? awful? :weirdo: My point was that he probably wasn't the great guy people make him to be. Some of the stuff I've read on facebook is hilarious, such as: Three apples changed human life: Adam's apple, Newton's apple and the Steve Job's apple. And I'm sure at least some people who posted it actually mean it.

I'm not calling him an awful guy, and I'm sorry too that he died because I love Apple's products, but his death got way too much publicity when some others who pass away hardly get a tenth of the "RIPs" he's gotten just in the past hour.

dybbuk
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:03 PM
How do you know anything about him? I don't know if he was a great guy or Satan incarnate, it's just idiotic to pretend you can know otherwise unless you know him personally. Did you know that some rich people actually give money to charities without publicizing it? It reminds me of Davenport getting upset when people suggested she wasn't donating money to Hurricane Katrina recovery, she said just because she doesn't go proclaiming to the world that she's charitable doesn't mean she isn't. Honestly, in this entire thread your Google search about his charities is probably the dumbest thing in here.

Chip.
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:11 PM
RIP :sad:

Petkorazzi
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:14 PM
And I did not state he was Satan incarnate.

Furthermore, he wasn't really that great of a person either, was he?

There's a question mark there.

Furthermore, you do realize that Davenport's money isn't even a penny compared to the money Jobs had? :happy: Davenport could donate without publicity as her donation would have been a drop in the sea compared to other donations, but Jobs could have made a huge charity event that could not possibly go by unnoticed.

Also, the "dumb google search" gave me this (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/08/steve-jobs) and some more articles all stating that he did not donate much to charity at all.

Anyway, I've stated my opinion and I'm done discussing it. :wavey:

P.S. don't tell me you've never said anything about any tennis player/celebrity that you don't personally know? :weirdo:

LoveFifteen
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:21 PM
Who the fuck are you pitiful, hateful losers? Steve Jobs was instrumental in getting the personal computer and the mouse into our everyday lives. He didn't change the world? And yet your fugly asses are shitting on him through a personal computer. :unsure:

The PC copied the Mac and almost put Apple out of business, but Steve Jobs came back to the company and single-handedly turned it into one of the most successful companies on the planet. Windows is a complete ripoff of Apple. Computers have changed our lives, and Steve Jobs is certainly one of the most influential people in that arena, along with Bill Gates et al.

The man died. Show some respect, for at least ... I don't know ... one fucking day. Perhaps it's hard because your eventual deaths will be utterly worthless and completely unheralded. :shrug:

LoveFifteen
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:25 PM
And let's not forget Pixar ...

dybbuk
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:32 PM
And I did not state he was Satan incarnate.



There's a question mark there.

Furthermore, you do realize that Davenport's money isn't even a penny compared to the money Jobs had? :happy: Davenport could donate without publicity as her donation would have been a drop in the sea compared to other donations, but Jobs could have made a huge charity event that could not possibly go by unnoticed.

Also, the "dumb google search" gave me this (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/08/steve-jobs) and some more articles all stating that he did not donate much to charity at all.

Anyway, I've stated my opinion and I'm done discussing it. :wavey:

P.S. don't tell me you've never said anything about any tennis player/celebrity that you don't personally know? :weirdo:

Don't give the ? bullshit, you know as well as I what you were implying. Don't back down from it just because it was a stupid thing to say.

People can anonymously donate, do you not comprehend this? You don't have to let the charity release your name if you don't want them to. I don't know if Jobs did that or not, but you can't say he didn't, and neither can some journalist who apparently met him once. Your whole comment was just trash, that's all there is to it. You heavily implied a recently dead man you know nothing about wasn't as good a person as some people say, it has nothing to do with his business or innovation, it was a personal swipe at him. At least the people saying he wasn't an innovator have something there, even if it can be debated.

Nice strawman to see yourself out of the thread with too.

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Who the fuck are you pitiful, hateful losers? Steve Jobs was instrumental in getting the personal computer and the mouse into our everyday lives. He didn't change the world? And yet your fugly asses are shitting on him through a personal computer. :unsure:

The PC copied the Mac and almost put Apple out of business, but Steve Jobs came back to the company and single-handedly turned it into one of the most successful companies on the planet. Windows is a complete ripoff of Apple. Computers have changed our lives, and Steve Jobs is certainly one of the most influential people in that arena, along with Bill Gates et al.

The man died. Show some respect, for at least ... I don't know ... one fucking day. Perhaps it's hard because your eventual deaths will be utterly worthless and completely unheralded. :shrug:

Such compassion there. :lol:

You're probably too dumb to realize what a fool of irony you are. That post of yours is a perfect example of what a lovely, beautiful spirit you are.

Petkorazzi
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:39 PM
Don't give the ? bullshit, you know as well as I what you were implying. Don't back down from it just because it was a stupid thing to say.

People can anonymously donate, do you not comprehend this? You don't have to let the charity release your name if you don't want them to. I don't know if Jobs did that or not, but you can't say he didn't, and neither can some journalist who apparently met him once. Your whole comment was just trash, that's all there is to it. You heavily implied a recently dead man you know nothing about wasn't as good a person as some people say, it has nothing to do with his business or innovation, it was a personal swipe at him. At least the people saying he wasn't an innovator have something there, even if it can be debated.

Nice strawman to see yourself out of the thread with too.
Okay. You owned me, well done. :yeah: I bet this made your whole week.

Pump-it-UP
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:42 PM
TF stays as delightful as ever. :o

BartoLiNa
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:53 PM
Keep preaching Apoleb. The sycophantic garbage being spewed by the sheeple over this pretender is vomit inducing. Apple did not revolutionize music, digital music in the form of mp3 did.

Apple's success comes from their abilities in designing and marketing - NOT inventing.

BartoLiNa
Oct 6th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Windows is a complete ripoff of Apple. Computers have changed our lives, and Steve Jobs is certainly one of the most influential people in that arena, along with Bill Gates et al.

The man died. Show some respect, for at least ... I don't know ... one fucking day. Perhaps it's hard because your eventual deaths will be utterly worthless and completely unheralded. :shrug:

This argument being used to defend a company who's success is based solely on the copying of ideas :spit:

LoveFifteen
Oct 6th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Such compassion there. :lol:

You're probably too dumb to realize what a fool of irony you are. That post of yours is a perfect example of what a lovely, beautiful spirit you are.

Gurl, you are vile and foul. I am precious! :hearts:

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Gurl, you are vile and foul. I am precious! :hearts:

To each his own perceptions.

But what isn't a matter of perception is building an argument over compassion towards a person's death and in the same post talking about how some people's "eventual deaths will be utterly worthless and completely unheralded." That's just being.... not sharp.

But you were never really the sharpest knife in the box so I can't blame you. if you were, you would've at least understood the basic logic in some of these posts.

LoveFifteen
Oct 6th, 2011, 08:03 PM
To each his own perceptions.

But what isn't a matter of perception is building an argument over compassion towards a person's death and in the same post talking about how some people's "eventual deaths will be utterly worthless and completely unheralded." That's just being.... not sharp.

But you were never really the sharpest knife in the box so I can't blame you. if you were, you would've at least understood the basic logic in some of these posts.

Honey, you love to come into every thread and shit on the conventional wisdom. Write about Steve Jobs dying, and for you, it's the perfect time to shit upon him and his life. If someone starts a thread about NGOs distributing food in Ethiopia to victims of famine, you'll enter the thread to shit on international organizations or the inefficiency of aid distribution.

The general trend of ALL YOUR POSTS says one thing: "I don't like myself so I'm going to shit on everything else. By criticizing things, I'll show people how superior I am to things that I am criticizing."

Go through your posts, gurl, and you'll notice that it's almost always like that.

Additional edit: I am FULLY aware how utterly insignificant my life is and how I'm never going to accomplish anything of worth. So that's why I respect Steve Jobs. He achieved a lot in life, and who the fuck am I to shit on him. I am a nobody. I am aware of what a nobody I am. You think you're somebody, and that's why I can't stand you more than any other person on this website ... that, and your total lack of humor. :sobbing:

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Honey, you love to come into every thread and shit on the conventional wisdom. Write about Steve Jobs dying, and for you, it's the perfect time to shit upon him and his life. If someone starts a thread about NGOs distributing food in Ethiopia to victims of famine, you'll enter the thread to shit on international organizations or the inefficiency of aid distribution.

The general trend of ALL YOUR POSTS says one thing: "I don't like myself so I'm going to shit on everything else. By criticizing things, I'll show people how superior I am to things that I am criticizing."

Go through your posts, gurl, and you'll notice that it's almost always like that.

Additional edit: I am FULLY aware how utterly insignificant my life is and how I'm never going to accomplish anything of worth. So that's why I respect Steve Jobs. He achieved a lot in life, and who the fuck am I to shit on him. I am a nobody. I am aware of what a nobody I am. You think you're somebody, and that's why I can't stand you more than any other person on this website ... that, and your total lack of humor. :sobbing:

Why, though? :awww: That's a little sad, and it's not true. You don't need society's validation for self-worth. See, that's exactly where we disagree. :hug:

Anyway, as I said, you didn't really understand the basic premise of my posts and those of others, but I'm not going to bother. OK I'll try. I already expressed my deep sympathy to his suffering and his illness. . I know what they go through. But you can't just sit there and pretend that everything the media feeds you is alright and go along. Arguing that people who are simply discussing the very premise why his death is getting so much coverage on the grounds that they aren't showing compassion doesn't make a lot of sense. It has nothing to do with compassion. I have the greatest compassion for his personal suffering, and so for the thousands of people who tragically died today. But to sit there and tell us we shouldn't question the coverage of his death as opposed to the gazillion tragedies happening every day because we then "show a lack of compassion" is a bit silly. That is all. Especially when you are the only one in this thread to really shit on people's deaths. Nobody else did this. You did.

As for your "psychoanalysis" of my posts: I do tend to criticize a lot, but that's just the perfectionist streak in me (which isn't always good to have and it can be very annoying, I agree). It has nothing to do with hating myself. And I do love my sense of humor, thank you very much.

gentenaire
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:06 PM
I love what Stephen Fry wrote about Steve Jobs.

http://www.stephenfry.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs/

A few quotes:

"Henry Ford didn’t invent the motor car, Rockefeller didn’t discover how to crack crude oil into petrol, Disney didn’t invent animation, the Macdonald brothers didn’t invent the hamburger, Martin Luther King didn’t invent oratory, neither Jane Austen, Tolstoy nor Flaubert invented the novel and D. W. Griffith, the Warner Brothers, Irving Thalberg and Steven Spielberg didn’t invent film-making. Steve Jobs didn’t invent computers and he didn’t invent packet switching or the mouse. But he saw that there were no limits to the power that creative combinations of technology and design could accomplish.

I once heard George Melly, on a programme about Louis Armstrong, do that dangerous thing and give his own definition of a genius. “A genius,” he said, “is someone who enters a field and works in it and when they leave it, it is different. By that token, Satchmo was a genius.” I don’t think any reasonable person could deny that Steve Jobs, by that same token, was a genius too."


"If the unprecedented and phenomenal success of Steve Jobs at Apple proves anything it is that those commentators and tech-bloggers and “experts” who sneered at him for producing sleek, shiny, well-designed products or who denigrated the man because he was not an inventor or originator of technology himself missed the point in such a fantastically stupid way that any employer would surely question the purpose of having such people on their payroll, writing for their magazines or indeed making any decisions on which lives, destinies or fortunes depended."

gentenaire
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Totally inappropriate, but this thread also reminds me of the infamous "What have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in Life of Brian.

Raiden
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Apple didn't introduce the mp3 player, the desktop computer, the smart phone, or any revolutionary softwareor Windows/graphical user interface (one more thing some media goons like to pretend he invented

that he "changed the world" and he "revolutionized our culture" or something. I take issue with those things. He was very successful in his job, made millions out of it, and his skill was with his selling his products. That doesn't exactly make him the Gandhi of the IT world. Apple didn't introduce the mp3 player, the desktop computer, the smart phone, or any revolutionary software. Agreed. I agree with you that he is getting too much credit and that all that "he changed our lives" BS is annoying precisely because it's not the whole story and therefore not the truth (truth being the whole thing and nothing but). After all Apple is not even his creation but his partner Steve Wozniack's alone (btw is this guy by any chance related to Piotr Wozniack? :lol:)

Anyways it's Steve (Woz) who singlehandedly built the first couple of Apple machines in his own backyard. Steve (Jobs) took care of the "business" side of things and subsequently screwed Steve (W) after Steve (W) got sick (plane accident & amnesia) and went out of action... then Steve (J) himself got a taste of his medicine when he got shafted by the board of directors of Apple who fired him. I give him credit for being human enough to admit that he did make mistakes in the past. Some of his collegues (that's you Bill) could learn that from Steve (J). In terms of contributions he does deserve to get accolades for his contributions to specifically one thing: aesthetics (windows/GUI, fonts, hardware design etc) Steve Jobs took user-friendliness seriously and he deserves credit for convincing the heterosexual world that cool, trendy design user-friendly electronic devices are not for sissy homosexuals only (as it used to be just a short while ago).

Anyways that is all in the past now and in the end the total balance is probably a net positive in his favor... so may he rest in peace
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ivanban
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:11 PM
The PC copied the Mac and almost put Apple out of business, but Steve Jobs came back to the company and single-handedly turned it into one of the most successful companies on the planet. Windows is a complete ripoff of Apple. Computers have changed our lives, and Steve Jobs is certainly one of the most influential people in that arena, along with Bill Gates et al.

I agree about the last part. But if Apple is so groundbreaking, why is it vastly used only in USA/Canada? :scratch:

gentenaire
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:24 PM
why is it vastly used only in USA/Canada? :scratch:

Huh?

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2011, 09:43 PM
Disney didn’t invent animation, neither Jane Austen, Tolstoy nor Flaubert invented the novel and D. W. Griffith, the Warner Brothers, Irving Thalberg and Steven Spielberg didn’t invent film-making.What? So the iPod is now a work of art? Next thing he;ll tell us it showed the hidden meaning of life. There's a huge difference between the aesthetics of a marketed product and those of novels and movies. What a tool. :lol: And to think he had a nerve of using that berating language later on.

and that all that "he changed our lives" BS is annoyinYeah, that's exactly my point. I mean, look, there are people out there working day and night on HIV research and even though the progress is very slow, they will probably end up changing more the world than a CEO marketing his products for consumer use (not to say that this also can't impact the world). And with this I will exist this thread.

Berlin_Calling
Oct 6th, 2011, 10:52 PM
RIP Steve Jobs, the greatest CEO of our time. :worship:

All I know is that without my macbook pro, ipad, ipod and apple tv, my life would be a lot harder.

Bayo
Oct 7th, 2011, 01:04 AM
Honey, you love to come into every thread and shit on the conventional wisdom. Write about Steve Jobs dying, and for you, it's the perfect time to shit upon him and his life. If someone starts a thread about NGOs distributing food in Ethiopia to victims of famine, you'll enter the thread to shit on international organizations or the inefficiency of aid distribution.

The general trend of ALL YOUR POSTS says one thing: "I don't like myself so I'm going to shit on everything else. By criticizing things, I'll show people how superior I am to things that I am criticizing."

Go through your posts, gurl, and you'll notice that it's almost always like that.

Additional edit: I am FULLY aware how utterly insignificant my life is and how I'm never going to accomplish anything of worth. So that's why I respect Steve Jobs. He achieved a lot in life, and who the fuck am I to shit on him. I am a nobody. I am aware of what a nobody I am. You think you're somebody, and that's why I can't stand you more than any other person on this website ... that, and your total lack of humor. :sobbing:

Troll patrol. :worship:

There's always that insignificant group that imagines itself too hip or iconoclastic to accept any mainstream, conventional wisdom - in this case, that Steve Jobs revolutionized personal technology. Luckily, records speak for themselves.

mckyle.
Oct 7th, 2011, 01:55 AM
This fucking thread...

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9690/deadbanana.gif

*JR*
Oct 7th, 2011, 06:37 PM
OMG :help:

Westboro Church Uses iPhone to Announce Steve Jobs Funeral Protest

By Colleen Curry | ABC News – Thu, Oct 6, 2011

The Westboro Baptist Church took to an iPhone when they heard about Steve Jobs’ death Wednesday night, sending out a message saying the Apple founder would be going to hell and calling for a protest of his funeral.

“Westboro will picket his funeral. He had a huge platform; gave God no glory and taught sin,” wrote Margie Phelps, daughter of the church’s founder.

The controversial group often pickets outside of soldiers’ funerals to draw media attention to their cause, which includes anti-gay material. Phelps tweeted the messages from her account, with an automatic note appearing at the bottom of the Tweet saying “via Twitter for iPhone.”

“No peace for man who served self, not God,” she wrote with the hashtag, #hellgreetedhim. “Westboro must picket.”

Thursday morning, Phelps responded to widespread criticism of her using the iPhone to Tweet the messages, saying that the phone was created by God–not Jobs–for that purpose.

“Rebels mad cuz I used iPhone to tell you Steve Jobs is in hell.God created iPhone for that purpose! ” she wrote. Arrangements for Jobs’ funeral haven’t been announced.

http://news.yahoo.com/westboro-church-uses-iphone-announce-steve-jobs-funeral-134752333.html

LoveFifteen
Oct 7th, 2011, 06:56 PM
God created iPhone for that purpose! :spit: :rolls:

RVD
Oct 7th, 2011, 10:08 PM
RIP.

This is really not the best time to say it, but since there's hardly any other time since people don't discuss Apple, I don't get the fuss and I think it's incredibly overrated. The only thing Apple had is its slick designs. I have no idea why the iPOD got so popular and dominated everything, but it's hardly very efficient and mp3 players were only a matter of time. I also find the Mac not the most userfirendly or ingenious software - certainly not on par with windows.

RIP again, but I won't act like humanity lost a god or something.I completely agree and stated this on this site.
I also didn't want to go negative on a RIP thread either, but though Jobs was quite the inventor and entrepreneur, I know from experience that he possessed an incredibly flawed business ideology.

Yes, he created artsy and slick designs, but the man was a horrible business manager/owner; for which I had the displeasure of discovering back in the 90s.

I believe the customer appeal for Apple products had more to do with how "pretty" they were, and the fact that they were expensive, thus possessed an aura of exclusivity.

Veritas
Oct 7th, 2011, 11:01 PM
You felt compelled to post that because.....?

Because it's allowed?

Veritas
Oct 7th, 2011, 11:17 PM
It is always sad when a man dies but since when do people shed tears when a CEO dies? Of course I think it is very sad for his friends and his family, but I did not know the man, there is no reason to be cry on the Internet and Twitter. Are people also shedding tears for the Chinese Apple workers who commit suicide because of their poor working conditions? When Starbucks CEO will die, you will not care one bit, so don't call me insensitive.

If people enjoy Apple products, fine, but where's the innovation? Apple is 80% brand marketing and image. They certainly did not invent tablets, they just marketed one. Also, how do people know Jobs himself have been innovative? Have they been behind his desktop? Since Apple doesn't even offer innovative products, and Apple is obviously a massive team of people and not just a man, this is all silly.

Well said. Without those people accepting appalling work conditions and minimal wages, Apple products would never have been as accessible to us consumers. They sacrifice their well-being just so we can satisfy our desires without having to burn through much of our savings. Where's the outpouring of grief for that?

*JR*
Oct 7th, 2011, 11:31 PM
The issues raised ITT about the social conscience of Apple (both under Steve Jobs, and during his 12 year hiatus, mostly with a John Sculley who Steve originally brought in as "the business guy") as well as other high tech firms are indeed relevant; sometime in a broader thread, that addresses this whole industry and its chieftains.

Besides the third world wage issues mentioned ITT, there are serious environmental ones to do with the "rare earth" metals use. But I realize (after being way too judgmental in the Amy Winehouse thread) that one started for condolences isn't really apropos for a fair "let the chips fall where they may" review/debate on bigger issues.

Break My Rapture
Oct 8th, 2011, 12:10 AM
RIP. :sad: Thoughts go out to family and firends.

Kworb
Oct 8th, 2011, 12:35 AM
It is always sad when a man dies but since when do people shed tears when a CEO dies? Of course I think it is very sad for his friends and his family, but I did not know the man, there is no reason to be cry on the Internet and Twitter. Are people also shedding tears for the Chinese Apple workers who commit suicide because of their poor working conditions? When Starbucks CEO will die, you will not care one bit, so don't call me insensitive.

If people enjoy Apple products, fine, but where's the innovation? Apple is 80% brand marketing and image. They certainly did not invent tablets, they just marketed one. Also, how do people know Jobs himself have been innovative? Have they been behind his desktop? Since Apple doesn't even offer innovative products, and Apple is obviously a massive team of people and not just a man, this is all silly.
So true. I don't really get the hysteria of the past few days. People act like he invented all kinds of stuff. But really all he's ever done is go on stage and present other people's creations. And his "vision" has always been to take an existing product and dumb it down and make it pretty so that most people can use it.

Veritas
Oct 8th, 2011, 04:37 AM
So true. I don't really get the hysteria of the past few days. People act like he invented all kinds of stuff. But really all he's ever done is go on stage and present other people's creations. And his "vision" has always been to take an existing product and dumb it down and make it pretty so that most people can use it.

For Apple to get to where it is today, Jobs most likely did more than just "present" the work of others. Apple's a massive organisation with a sprawling network of people and sectors. To have all those elements work together would've required the kind of leadership and dedication that Jobs had for the company. It's one thing to have on board creative designers and savvy engineers; it's another to have their ideas pushed from the drafting boards and on to the markets. And Jobs must've had an strong intuition to recognise which creative proposals were to become mass market hits, therefore increasing the value of the company and satisfying the shareholders who are usually more cautious about risks in investments.

But while I'm sorry for loss to his friends and family, like some others I don't agree with the magnitude of the emotions afforded to his passing - especially when there are others who have made enormous sacrifices that have impacted Apple's core operations yet their suffering barely registers in the minds of Apple fans.

bulava
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:17 AM
Steve Jobs lead the world's largest Technology company in terms of Stock (Market Cap), Digital Music, Semiconductor Consumer (Chips), Cash and Operating Profits. Note that Steve was also named as the Best CEO, and Apple as the Best Brand on this planet for many years.

Also, many don't know about Steve Jobs:

1) He has many patents on his name, more than 300. (What is called Innovation, BTW?)
2) The biggest contribution he ever made in terms of laying the solid future for Americas R&D prowess was to *donate* $500,000 in early 80s (even though he was passing through difficult times, he was one of the first donors) to start the MIT Media Lab.

To all the people who think Steve Jobs did nothing, not an Innovator blah blah

Upon hearing the news that former Apple CEO Steve Jobs had died, Time Magazine on Wednesday evening stopped its presses for the first time in at least 30 years.

Time, which hits newsstands on Friday, has devoted its entire feature section, 21 pages, to coverage of the late visionary. This is the eighth time Jobs has been featured on the cover of the news magazine.

Could anyone imagine why such a respect? If you don't wish to acknowledge this great man that's fine but don't talk rubbish out of ignorance and stop spreading the hate. Thanks!

Actually Edison (like Jobs vs. Bill Gates) had a "shared legacy" with a rival, in terms of electric current; a Serbian onetime employee named Nikola Tesla (http://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htm). Edison invented the DC (direct current) form of electric transmission, and fired Tesla, who then invented AC (alternating current).

I won't comment on this because Edison & Tesla saga was a completely different one on a very large scale (impact on the Humanity). Fact is, many people don't know much about Tesla let alone having a good grasp about his pioneering inventions. Today, many thrive leaning on the strength of the Google.

This is from my Univ:

By the end of his career, Tesla had over 700 inventions and 100 patents to his credit. Though his innovations never made him wealthy, Tesla is rightly renowned to this day as one of the greatest electrical engineers of all time.

http://web.mit.edu/most/Public/Tesla1/alpha_tesla.html

BTW, Tesla had good history with Einstein too but that was about another story which I consider as superfluous to the thread's context.

Rocketta
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:37 AM
Wow, some of you people are just sad and really worse but I won't take it down that road.

I mean if and that's a big IF Apple's lack of smart business practices, innovation, user-friendliness, et all was important to you wouldn't you have spent one minute starting a thread to discuss such negative feelings?

So your only opportunity is now? This was your only chance to come and shit in a thread that is clearly not meant to have a *debate* about the worth of Apple or the man but a thread to give our last respects and to reflect on what he meant to us as consumers?

You (several of you) post about what type of person you felt steve was... well what kind of person are you? You can't even control yourself enough to not post :bs: in a thread that is not meant for you. The sad part is before any of you posted you knew this thread was not meant for that. Not only do you not have respect for Jobs but you clearly don't have respect for your fellow tennisforum poster's to deliberately be confrontational in a thread that is meant to just express respects and sympathy. Anyway, since we are giving opinions now.

When I saw he died I was just going to post that he truly was something special and that I hope he R.I.P. I wanted to note the only thing that kept Apple from going under was the fact that they catered to the educational market and that kept them afloat until they were able to turn around the public view. I don't think schools would just pick products because they are shiny and slick.

My iBook G4 is still going strong after I fixed a power cord problem.. I've had it for 8 years now... yeah how likely is a PC still working with the original os 8 years later...(yes I understand Microsoft is separate from the hardware)

Steve Jobs cultivated a culture around Apple products and their users. I find it funny that people act like the iPod is no big deal. Yes that's why everyone and their grandmother tried to introduce mp3 players and yet still haven't put a dent in the iPod market. Why is that?

When people call Jobs an innovator, I don't think they mean in terms of actual physical inventions... but you can be innovative when it comes to marketing, when it comes to advertising, when it comes to business management. Why is innovation only based on the product. If you can't motivate people, if you can't convince people to buy your product, if you can't have a vision for the future and how your product today will start you on that future path.... then your invention isn't really worth anything until someone comes along and provides these esoteric abilities that gets your products out there and into mainstream society and until then your product is not worth much.

One last thing, anyone who owns a Mac knows how different the communities are between Mac users and PC users. Apple encourages programers to write programs for macs a lot of which were free or shareware. That culture is non-existent in the PC world unless you are into illegal file sharing or willing to deal with 7 day trials or 30 day trials and then the software is useless unless you are going to pay for it. Anyway, PCs are fine but Macs are different and the difference is what appeals to some people. To those people Steve Jobs was an innovator and someone who changed the technology industry.

You want to discuss Mac vs. PC or Steve Jobs: Innovator or crook? Feel free in another thread....

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:55 AM
Wow, some of you people are just sad and really worse but I won't take it down that road.

I mean if and that's a big IF Apple's lack of smart business practices, innovation, user-friendliness, et all was important to you wouldn't you have spent one minute starting a thread to discuss such negative feelings?

So your only opportunity is now? This was your only chance to come and shit in a thread that is clearly not meant to have a *debate* about the worth of Apple or the man but a thread to give our last respects and to reflect on what he meant to us as consumers?

You (several of you) post about what type of person you felt steve was... well what kind of person are you? You can't even control yourself enough to not post :bs: in a thread that is not meant for you. The sad part is before any of you posted you knew this thread was not meant for that. Not only do you not have respect for Jobs but you clearly don't have respect for your fellow tennisforum poster's to deliberately be confrontational in a thread that is meant to just express respects and sympathy. Anyway, since we are giving opinions now.

When I saw he died I was just going to post that he truly was something special and that I hope he R.I.P. I wanted to note the only thing that kept Apple from going under was the fact that they catered to the educational market and that kept them afloat until they were able to turn around the public view. I don't think schools would just pick products because they are shiny and slick.

My iBook G4 is still going strong after I fixed a power cord problem.. I've had it for 8 years now... yeah how likely is a PC still working with the original os 8 years later...(yes I understand Microsoft is separate from the hardware)

Steve Jobs cultivated a culture around Apple products and their users. I find it funny that people act like the iPod is no big deal. Yes that's why everyone and their grandmother tried to introduce mp3 players and yet still haven't put a dent in the iPod market. Why is that?

When people call Jobs an innovator, I don't think they mean in terms of actual physical inventions... but you can be innovative when it comes to marketing, when it comes to advertising, when it comes to business management. Why is innovation only based on the product. If you can't motivate people, if you can't convince people to buy your product, if you can't have a vision for the future and how your product today will start you on that future path.... then your invention isn't really worth anything until someone comes along and provides these esoteric abilities that gets your products out there and into mainstream society and until then your product is not worth much.

One last thing, anyone who owns a Mac knows how different the communities are between Mac users and PC users. Apple encourages programers to write programs for macs a lot of which were free or shareware. That culture is non-existent in the PC world unless you are into illegal file sharing or willing to deal with 7 day trials or 30 day trials and then the software is useless unless you are going to pay for it. Anyway, PCs are fine but Macs are different and the difference is what appeals to some people. To those people Steve Jobs was an innovator and someone who changed the technology industry.

You want to discuss Mac vs. PC or Steve Jobs: Innovator or crook? Feel free in another thread....

What is really sad is the bunch of tools who think we can't discuss whether the media coverage or the reaction are appropriate. Make another thread? As if that would have gotten a better reaction. Give me a break. This thread was meant to discuss his death. Some people have other things to say than "Rip". And everyone who had something else to say paid to respect to his death as a person. If you can't handle it, you stay out.

Get off your horse mule. The only reason you are objecting to the reaction with some of the other fools is because you agree with the "common wisdom" that he changed the world. Not because you care more about him as a person.

And yes he was an innovator in marketing and design. Surely that allows us to ponder whether that means he "changed the world" and whether we should just eat whatever the media is feeding you. Some people happen to be more on the critical thinking side.

bulava
Oct 8th, 2011, 08:25 AM
His once bitter to the present time biggest rivals respect him for what he was. What the hell these cynical people really think they are like? So all the haters and half-baked beans out there, please spare us from this B$

ampers&
Oct 8th, 2011, 09:39 AM
What is really sad is the bunch of tools who think we can't discuss whether the media coverage or the reaction are appropriate. Make another thread? As if that would have gotten a better reaction. Give me a break. This thread was meant to discuss his death. Some people have other things to say than "Rip". And everyone who had something else to say paid to respect to his death as a person. If you can't handle it, you stay out.

Get off your horse mule. The only reason you are objecting to the reaction with some of the other fools is because you agree with the "common wisdom" that he changed the world. Not because you care more about him as a person.

And yes he was an innovator in marketing and design. Surely that allows us to ponder whether that means he "changed the world" and whether we should just eat whatever the media is feeding you. Some people happen to be more on the critical thinking side.Agreed again. I would add more, but you've pretty much expressed exactly how I feel about how his death is being represented in the media and by the masses in most of your posts ITT.

Beat
Oct 8th, 2011, 10:47 AM
What is really sad is the bunch of tools who think we can't discuss whether the media coverage or the reaction are appropriate. Make another thread? As if that would have gotten a better reaction. Give me a break. This thread was meant to discuss his death. Some people have other things to say than "Rip". And everyone who had something else to say paid to respect to his death as a person. If you can't handle it, you stay out.

Get off your horse mule. The only reason you are objecting to the reaction with some of the other fools is because you agree with the "common wisdom" that he changed the world. Not because you care more about him as a person.

And yes he was an innovator in marketing and design. Surely that allows us to ponder whether that means he "changed the world" and whether we should just eat whatever the media is feeding you. Some people happen to be more on the critical thinking side.

so much hatred and bitterness in one post :scared:

i'm always extremely cautious about people proclaiming themselves "to be more on the critical thinking side". especially when they proclaim this one paragraph after telling other people to get off their horse mule (sic.)

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 11:21 AM
so much hatred and bitterness in one post :scared:

i'm always extremely cautious about people proclaiming themselves "to be more on the critical thinking side". especially when they proclaim this one paragraph after telling other people to get off their horse mule (sic.)

Do you have anything to add besides that lame personal insult and that incomprehensible paragraph? It says a lot about you that you probably don't and you waste your time posting this.

HippityHop
Oct 8th, 2011, 12:35 PM
No and yes.

No, because I don't want this to be taken as if I'm making light of the death of a fairly young person with a terrible and painful disease. I sympathize with his suffering in the last years of his life, and this is terrible thing to handle for the people close to him and those who knew him personally.

Yes, because the only reason we have this thread and why this is the #1 media story despite the fact that thousands of people have died on this day from similarly tragic events is that he "changed the world" and he "revolutionized our culture" or something. I take issue with those things. He was very successful in his job, made millions out of it, and his skill was with his selling his products. That doesn't exactly make him the Gandhi of the IT world. Apple didn't introduce the mp3 player, the desktop computer, the smart phone, or any revolutionary software. They just knew how to market them and beat their competitors.

I agree that his death at such a young age is sad. But many people have died at a much younger age. Whenever someone famous dies some people act as if death is reserved for the chosen few. Jobs' Stanford speech made it clear that he did not think that.

HippityHop
Oct 8th, 2011, 12:39 PM
OMG :help:

Westboro Church Uses iPhone to Announce Steve Jobs Funeral Protest

By Colleen Curry | ABC News – Thu, Oct 6, 2011

The Westboro Baptist Church took to an iPhone when they heard about Steve Jobs’ death Wednesday night, sending out a message saying the Apple founder would be going to hell and calling for a protest of his funeral.

“Westboro will picket his funeral. He had a huge platform; gave God no glory and taught sin,” wrote Margie Phelps, daughter of the church’s founder.

The controversial group often pickets outside of soldiers’ funerals to draw media attention to their cause, which includes anti-gay material. Phelps tweeted the messages from her account, with an automatic note appearing at the bottom of the Tweet saying “via Twitter for iPhone.”

“No peace for man who served self, not God,” she wrote with the hashtag, #hellgreetedhim. “Westboro must picket.”

Thursday morning, Phelps responded to widespread criticism of her using the iPhone to Tweet the messages, saying that the phone was created by God–not Jobs–for that purpose.

“Rebels mad cuz I used iPhone to tell you Steve Jobs is in hell.God created iPhone for that purpose! ” she wrote. Arrangements for Jobs’ funeral haven’t been announced.

http://news.yahoo.com/westboro-church-uses-iphone-announce-steve-jobs-funeral-134752333.html

These Westboro folks prove over and over the fact that they are idiots.

LoveFifteen
Oct 8th, 2011, 02:14 PM
so much hatred and bitterness in one post :scared:

i'm always extremely cautious about people proclaiming themselves "to be more on the critical thinking side". especially when they proclaim this one paragraph after telling other people to get off their horse mule (sic.)

Don't even bother engaging with Apoleb. He's such a bitter, hateful person. No matter what the thread, he's gonna be in there criticizing and shitting on everything and everyone.

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Don't even bother engaging with Apoleb. He's such a bitter, hateful person. No matter what the thread, he's gonna be in there criticizing and shitting on everything and everyone.

Haters will hate.

Meanwhile, this thread continues to be flooded solely by personal insults. There are like a dozen people who echoed the same sentiments, but they are all "bitter and hatefu" - see how much sense that makes. I will apologize from Steve Jobs for stealing some of the limelight. That certainly wasn't my intention, but I can't expect much from TF, can I?

Veesus
Oct 8th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Haters will hate.

Meanwhile, this thread continues to be flooded solely by personal insults. There are like a dozen people who echoed the same sentiments, but they are all "bitter and hatefu" - see how much sense that makes. I will apologize from Steve Jobs for stealing some of the limelight. That certainly wasn't my intention, but I can't expect much from TF, can I?

Do you have a job? Go do something useful with your life :hug:

Ryan
Oct 8th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Apoleb and Kworb are so full of hate, its hilarious. :lol:


RIP Jobsy, whether you were a great person or not, you were certainly one of the most important business/tech people in the world.

ampers&
Oct 8th, 2011, 04:45 PM
LOL @ the jump on Apoleb bandwagon. Honestly, there was nothing wrong with what he's said in this thread. And your responses to his opinion on Steve Jobs and the public and media's handling of his passing are inane, childish and incredibly hypocritical. How exactly are his responses full of hate? Seriously? They're more thoughtful than any of the other responses that attack him personally and not the arguments he's made in the thread.

I understand how people could INITIALLY see his response as inappropriate given the original tone of the thread, but he's done a great job at explaining his stance and his reasoning; certainly better than all the others calling him a hater and childish things like that.

I mean seriously...mess.

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 04:58 PM
LOL @ the jump on Apoleb bandwagon. Honestly, there was nothing wrong with what he's said in this thread. And your responses to his opinion on Steve Jobs and the public and media's handling of his passing are inane, childish and incredibly hypocritical. How exactly are his responses full of hate? Seriously? They're more thoughtful than any of the other responses that attack him personally and not the arguments he's made in the thread.

I understand how people could INITIALLY see his response as inappropriate given the original tone of the thread, but he's done a great job at explaining his stance and his reasoning; certainly better than all the others calling him a hater and childish things like that.

I mean seriously...mess.

I really think it comes down to the fact that I "hate" on their favorite tennis players (usually make fun of them, tongue-in-cheek), and they all take it personally, and this is where they pay their dues. It's quite fun actually. :rolls:

Rocketta
Oct 8th, 2011, 05:44 PM
What is really sad is the bunch of tools who think we can't discuss whether the media coverage or the reaction are appropriate. Make another thread? As if that would have gotten a better reaction. Give me a break. This thread was meant to discuss his death. Some people have other things to say than "Rip". And everyone who had something else to say paid to respect to his death as a person. If you can't handle it, you stay out.

Get off your horse mule. The only reason you are objecting to the reaction with some of the other fools is because you agree with the "common wisdom" that he changed the world. Not because you care more about him as a person.

And yes he was an innovator in marketing and design. Surely that allows us to ponder whether that means he "changed the world" and whether we should just eat whatever the media is feeding you. Some people happen to be more on the critical thinking side.

No, the only reason I'm objecting is because it's wrong to do that. I'm objecting because there is a place and time for everything and you yourself knew this was neither the place or the time to post when you said, "This is really not the best time to say it, but since there's hardly any other time since people don't discuss Apple". You can discuss Apple, I've started many threads about Apple or Apple products in the past. Nothing in the past or the future has or will prevent you from starting a discussion about Apple. Even when the reports came out that he stepped down as CEO... that was a time that he was in the media and you could've started a discussion... When reports came out about his health, you could've started the discussion. However, to choose to post it on the day of his death in a thread that is clearly not about that is not the best decision.

When Ronald Regan died and all those reports and people who posted what a great president he was were posting all over the place... I didn't once feel the need to post in threads that were giving respects how much I disagreed with this view and thought he was the devil incarnate... not because I cared about Reagan but because I understood that some people liked him and truly believed what they were saying. I also understood that death always makes the heart grow fonder and helps fade the negative.

Do you have anything to add besides that lame personal insult and that incomprehensible paragraph? It says a lot about you that you probably don't and you waste your time posting this.

wait, didn't you try to insult me by typing 'horse mule', just wondering?


I understand how people could INITIALLY see his response as inappropriate given the original tone of the thread, but he's done a great job at explaining his stance and his reasoning; certainly better than all the others calling him a hater and childish things like that.

I mean seriously...mess.

For me it's not about what anyone thinks of Steve Jobs because everyone has an opinion but why now,why this thread? Why be confrontational at this time in this thread? Why try to take this type of thread and turn it into a debate when there has been years to talk about this, why yesterday? :confused:

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Rocketta, someone already asked me if that's the best time and I replied lengthily. You can check that post and see if you have issues with it. It answers many of your questions. I should be given credit for acknowledging that this could be seen in a light I don't intend to, and what I'm saying cannot be said a week, a month, or a year ago because it's very much related to the event of his death and the subsequent reaction as someone who revolutionized communication, music and society. I also repeatedly expressed my sympathy for his death and his suffering, but sue me for not believing selling iPods revolutionized music and society and changed the world for good. BTW how sympathetic can that thread be when the OP is about losing Apple stock?


Whatever. I said I should have exited this thread and I probably should have heeded my advice.

wait, didn't you try to insult me by typing 'horse mule', just wondering?

Maybe, but at least I had something else to say.

LoveFifteen
Oct 8th, 2011, 06:07 PM
There's a time and place for everything. If Serena Williams died of cancer in 20-30 years, and you started a thread "Rest in peace, Serena, you were a great champion and you did so much for tennis. I will miss you!", and then I just started immediately shitting on Serena with "Yeah, it's sad she died of cancer, but ... and maybe this isn't the right time for me to share this, but I will anyway ... she wasn't that great of a champion. She only won the French Open once. Her game relied heavily on her serve. She was a disgrace to tennis always pulling out of tournaments at the last minute, she berated line officials twice in very ugly ways at the US Open, and she disrespected the WTA tour. Blah blah blah."

For the record, I don't think any of that stuff about Serena, but there is a fucking time and place for you guys to shit on Apple, and it's not for the few days after pancreatic cancer claims Steve Job's life. If you want to do that, start another thread where all the people who hate Apple and Steve Jobs can complain about things freely. :shrug:

If this was Apoleb's first (or second) time being negative, I'd let it pass, but it's chronic.

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 06:21 PM
There's a time and place for everything. If Serena Williams died of cancer in 20-30 years, and you started a thread "Rest in peace, Serena, you were a great champion and you did so much for tennis. I will miss you!", and then I just started immediately shitting on Serena with "Yeah, it's sad she died of cancer, but ... and maybe this isn't the right time for me to share this, but I will anyway ... she wasn't that great of a champion. She only won the French Open once. Her game relied heavily on her serve. She was a disgrace to tennis always pulling out of tournaments at the last minute, she berated line officials twice in very ugly ways at the US Open, and she disrespected the WTA tour. Blah blah blah."

For the record, I don't think any of that stuff about Serena, but there is a fucking time and place for you guys to shit on Apple, and it's not for the few days after pancreatic cancer claims Steve Job's life. If you want to do that, start another thread where all the people who hate Apple and Steve Jobs can complain about things freely. :shrug:

If this was Apoleb's first (or second) time being negative, I'd let it pass, but it's chronic.

Analogies like these are the path of least resistance for those who don't really know what they are talking about. If Serena's death was covered as a headline news as someone who changed the world and revolutionized society, yeah, maybe I would have said something like this. You don't realize that's all of my point? You have a right to disagree, but I think when a CEO gets this sort of reaction, the opposing view point is also important.

I think you have sort of distrubing issues with someone you've never talked with and communicated with. I guess it comes down to you being such a stan for Stinkis and the cockroach as evidenced by nasty reps I received after making jokes about them. And it's all the more ironic given that you accuse me of lacking a sense of humor.

And you need stop acting like I'm the only who made the point. There are literally 10-12 posters who agreed. It just further exposes your personal bias.

*JR*
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:04 PM
No, the only reason I'm objecting is because it's wrong to do that. I'm objecting because there is a place and time for everything and you yourself knew this was neither the place or the time to post when you said, "This is really not the best time to say it, but since there's hardly any other time since people don't discuss Apple". You can discuss Apple, I've started many threads about Apple or Apple products in the past.

Nothing in the past or the future has or will prevent you from starting a discussion about Apple. Even when the reports came out that he stepped down as CEO... that was a time that he was in the media and you could've started a discussion... When reports came out about his health, you could've started the discussion. However, to choose to post it on the day of his death in a thread that is clearly not about that is not the best decision.

When Ronald Regan died and all those reports and people who posted what a great president he was were posting all over the place... I didn't once feel the need to post in threads that were giving respects how much I disagreed with this view and thought he was the devil incarnate... not because I cared about Reagan but because I understood that some people liked him and truly believed what they were saying. I also understood that death always makes the heart grow fonder and helps fade the negative.

As one who was guilty of doing this about Amy Winehouse (even with the excuse that she was getting as much attention as the dozens of promising Norwegian kids shot down on that island in cold blood) I agree with Rocky's words I quoted.

Just as I should have waited a week or so and then started a thread addressing the fixation on celebrity deaths (especially where they were @ least partly self-inflicted) so should the critics of Steve Jobs.

As stated earlier ITT, there are any number of issues that can be addressed about Jobs, Gates, the PC manufacturers, etc; from how much of an innovator one was, to were the workers who assembled the products (and mined the essential "rare earth" metals) fairly rewarded, etc. etc. etc. But we ought to let Steve be "mourned in peace" for now (as I should have regarding Amy Winehouse).

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Rocketta
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:46 PM
I'm glad you can see that now JR. :yeah:

Even if people didn't know Steve Jobs personally, they are mourning his death because they feel he has touched their lives positively. So although the sadness is not on the same level as if they had lost a family member, there is sadness there and when someone is sad and mourning they are not 'up for a debate' about anything.

Apoleb, your objections to the classifications of Jobs is not necessarily unreasonable but to expect rational debate with people who are saddened by this passing is unreasonable, imo.

Rocketta
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Rocketta, someone already asked me if that's the best time and I replied lengthily. You can check that post and see if you have issues with it. It answers many of your questions. I should be given credit for acknowledging that this could be seen in a light I don't intend to, and what I'm saying cannot be said a week, a month, or a year ago because it's very much related to the event of his death and the subsequent reaction as someone who revolutionized communication, music and society. I also repeatedly expressed my sympathy for his death and his suffering, but sue me for not believing selling iPods revolutionized music and society and changed the world for good. BTW how sympathetic can that thread be when the OP is about losing Apple stock?


Whatever. I said I should have exited this thread and I probably should have heeded my advice.



Maybe, but at least I had something else to say.

Sally always talks about his/her stock in Apple. That is a worry for fans and stockholder's but it wasn't a criticism of the man who just passed.

and as I stated in the other post the objection is not about your opinion but how and when you decided to voice it. :shrug: Oh and of course my initial post was not just referring to you or all to you.

Apoleb
Oct 8th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Sally always talks about his/her stock in Apple. That is a worry for fans and stockholder's but it wasn't a criticism of the man who just passed.

and as I stated in the other post the objection is not about your opinion but how and when you decided to voice it. :shrug: Oh and of course my initial post was not just referring to you or all to you.

It's also fair to expect that not every opinion you see has to fall within the range of your expectations. I might accept that my first post was a little out of line as Miching~Mallecho said, but I quickly thoroughly explained myself in another post. If someone didn't like it they could have made the effort and ignored it. Gentenaire for example disagreed and argued in a civil way without acting like I just wrecked the man's grave. After all, this is a forum and one can expect ranges of opinions. Had I diminished his death and not made a concerted effort to make sure I express sympathy for his loss and his suffering, it would have been understandable. The only people who had a bad reaction against it were the ones who disagreed with the opinion to start with (on top of all tools who hold a grudge against me and saw this as an opportunity to bash me).

Beat
Oct 8th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Do you have anything to add besides that lame personal insult and that incomprehensible paragraph? It says a lot about you that you probably don't and you waste your time posting this.

a) it was not a lame personal insult, just an analysis of your post.

b) you called other people "dumb" and "fools" in this thread, but i guess those are not personal insults, right?

b) what was incomprehensible in my post? i'll be happy to explain more clearly.

and to *JR*: i don't think think apoleb ever wanted to start a discussion about our society's fixation on celebrity deaths. if he wanted to do that, he really did a bad job, because he started his argument by questioning steve job's merits (which are completely independent from his status as a celebrity).

RVD
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:20 AM
What is really sad is the bunch of tools who think we can't discuss whether the media coverage or the reaction are appropriate. Make another thread? As if that would have gotten a better reaction. Give me a break. This thread was meant to discuss his death. Some people have other things to say than "Rip". And everyone who had something else to say paid to respect to his death as a person. If you can't handle it, you stay out.

Get off your horse mule. The only reason you are objecting to the reaction with some of the other fools is because you agree with the "common wisdom" that he changed the world. Not because you care more about him as a person.

And yes he was an innovator in marketing and design. Surely that allows us to ponder whether that means he "changed the world" and whether we should just eat whatever the media is feeding you. Some people happen to be more on the critical thinking side.Well stated.
Especially the bolded text.

It's honestly shocking ...the sheer number of false accolades and achievement some people reap upon death. And it's usually people who know absolutely nothing about the industry or what the man actually contributed.

What's sad isn't that posters are making negative comments, but that some here feel that they have the right to direct or dictate those emotions and control the opinions of others.

ampers&
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:13 AM
I really think it comes down to the fact that I "hate" on their favorite tennis players (usually make fun of them, tongue-in-cheek), and they all take it personally, and this is where they pay their dues. It's quite fun actually. :rolls:LOL. I'm not a fan of how you talk about Serena on the forum (at all), but it doesn't bother me so much to take it so personally. :sobbing:
There's a time and place for everything. If Serena Williams died of cancer in 20-30 years, and you started a thread "Rest in peace, Serena, you were a great champion and you did so much for tennis. I will miss you!", and then I just started immediately shitting on Serena with "Yeah, it's sad she died of cancer, but ... and maybe this isn't the right time for me to share this, but I will anyway ... she wasn't that great of a champion. She only won the French Open once. Her game relied heavily on her serve. She was a disgrace to tennis always pulling out of tournaments at the last minute, she berated line officials twice in very ugly ways at the US Open, and she disrespected the WTA tour. Blah blah blah."
....................................

Context, Jon. :shrug:

Apoleb
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:01 AM
LOL. I'm not a fan of how you talk about Serena on the forum (at all), but it doesn't bother me so much to take it so personally. :sobbing:

....................................

Context, Jon. :shrug:

Since we're kind of in agreement, I thought I'd share this article, cause it really drives the point home: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/paul-vallely-how-steve-jobs-reinvented-desire-2367793.html

ampers&
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Since we're kind of in agreement, I thought I'd share this article, cause it really drives the point home: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/paul-vallely-how-steve-jobs-reinvented-desire-2367793.html
Thank god for Paul Vallely. Wonderful article.
In the end, what Steve Jobs produced was just more stuff. But it was sleek and sexy stuff. It swiftly became part of the cultural fabric because it was possessed of the fetishising power of seeming more than it was. The "i" seemed to stand for inherent – such were the powers projected on to it by the contemporary consumer cargo cult which made what these machines do somehow secondary to the possession of them.
AMEN.

Rocketta
Oct 9th, 2011, 03:56 PM
What's sad isn't that posters are making negative comments, but that some here feel that they have the right to direct or dictate those emotions and control the opinions of others.

If you're all for giving opinions then you should have no problem when someone states their opinions about your actions being wrong? You can't have it both ways... want the right to say or do what you want but when someone says they think it's foul and inappropriate get upset because someone is giving their opinion of your behavior.

In the end we all do what we want and say what we want. You think it's ok to do that in threads where you agree with the negative even in a R.I.P. thread and I disagree and find it quite sad. :shrug:

bulava
Oct 10th, 2011, 01:37 PM
Even if people didn't know Steve Jobs personally, they are mourning his death because they feel he has touched their lives positively. So although the sadness is not on the same level as if they had lost a family member, there is sadness there and when someone is sad and mourning they are not 'up for a debate' about anything.

First of all, Steve was not a media-obsessed Celebrity. He was the Technology icon and face of it in many ways. He along with the Bill Gates are the most respected 'giants' who are responsible for so many events in the Computing Industry. The third non-individual entity is IBM.

Next, many are touched by his death who are mostly *connected* with the Industry as well as with the internationally acclaimed Silicon Valley. Personally I had a great time by working there as a Research Scientist for many years so I know what it means to the people like me who later turned into successful Entrepreneurs and Businessmen, creating opportunities to the people out there. So many companies, start-ups, firms etc are connected with Apple. And, there many developers out there who earned Billions of dollars by writing Apps to the iPhone, iPad etc. And there are hundreds of millions of loyal Apple fan base (who are customers in some way or the other). And, not to forget millions of students and business managers who got inspired by his and Apple's success (high schools to business management classes). So you could clearly see what kind of impact he had on the people on this planet. One need not to be only an Apple customer to get inspired.

I don't get why some people are trying to drag celebrities and equate to his death. It's really wrong.

RVD
Oct 11th, 2011, 11:05 PM
If you're all for giving opinions then you should have no problem when someone states their opinions about your actions being wrong? You can't have it both ways... want the right to say or do what you want but when someone says they think it's foul and inappropriate get upset because someone is giving their opinion of your behavior.

In the end we all do what we want and say what we want. You think it's ok to do that in threads where you agree with the negative even in a R.I.P. thread and I disagree and find it quite sad. :shrug:Not at all.
I'm only having it one way; which is that any and everyone is entitled to their beliefs, opinions, assumptions, ect...
Even you.
And... the truth is often lost because people aren't allowed to discover... said truth.

Moving on...

For anyone interested in the "why" of Steve Jobs' successes, this article does a great job explaining it.
I don't expect people who idolize him to read it because it says more about them than it does about Mr. Jobs. But because of the 'perception' that Mr. Jobs somehow accomplished far more than he actually did, this article will hopefully help those individuals re-evalute reality.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/paul-vallely-how-steve-jobs-reinvented-desire-2367793.html
Paul Vallely: How Steve Jobs reinvented desire
Apple's founder was no latter-day Edison or Einstein. He just knew what kept men acquiring his gadgets

Rocketta
Oct 12th, 2011, 12:27 AM
Not at all.
I'm only having it one way; which is that any and everyone is entitled to their beliefs, opinions, assumptions, ect...
Even you.
And... the truth is often lost because people aren't allowed to discover... said truth.

Moving on...

For anyone interested in the "why" of Steve Jobs' successes, this article does a great job explaining it.
I don't expect people who idolize him to read it because it says more about them than it does about Mr. Jobs. But because of the 'perception' that Mr. Jobs somehow accomplished far more than he actually did, this article will hopefully help those individuals re-evalute reality.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/paul-vallely-how-steve-jobs-reinvented-desire-2367793.html
Paul Vallely: How Steve Jobs reinvented desire
Apple's founder was no latter-day Edison or Einstein. He just knew what kept men acquiring his gadgets

Well stated.
Especially the bolded text.

It's honestly shocking ...the sheer number of false accolades and achievement some people reap upon death. And it's usually people who know absolutely nothing about the industry or what the man actually contributed.

What's sad isn't that posters are making negative comments, but that some here feel that they have the right to direct or dictate those emotions and control the opinions of others.

Isn't that exactly what you are trying to do with 'the truth as you know it'? Aren't you trying to direct people to feel the way you do since and I quote, "It's honestly shocking ...the sheer number of false accolades and achievement some people reap upon death. And it's usually people who know absolutely nothing about the industry or what the man actually contributed.", and "And... the truth is often lost because people aren't allowed to discover... said truth."?

So you have the truth and are here to direct them to said truth, ie your truth. Which is fine, I personally don't care what people feel or think about his contributions but please don't act like you are not doing the exact same thing you are complaining about. Personally if you want to have a 'Steve Jobs was good but not that good party' I personally don't care and feel there is nothing wrong with said debate. However, we do live in a society that has social norms and I do believe people are willing to dump all over those norms because this is the Internet. I will not believe any one of you posting negative comments in this thread would go to a gathering were people are commiserating his loss and tell them how wrong they are about their opinions and they don't know the truth. Would you still feel that way, yes. Would you express it, yes but you would express it in the appropriate time and place.

pot ~kettle~black :shrug:

RVD
Oct 12th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Isn't that exactly what you are trying to do with 'the truth as you know it'? Aren't you trying to direct people to feel the way you do since and I quote, "It's honestly shocking ...the sheer number of false accolades and achievement some people reap upon death. And it's usually people who know absolutely nothing about the industry or what the man actually contributed.", and "And... the truth is often lost because people aren't allowed to discover... said truth."?

So you have the truth and are here to direct them to said truth, ie your truth. Which is fine, I personally don't care what people feel or think about his contributions but please don't act like you are not doing the exact same thing you are complaining about. Personally if you want to have a 'Steve Jobs was good but not that good party' I personally don't care and feel there is nothing wrong with said debate. However, we do live in a society that has social norms and I do believe people are willing to dump all over those norms because this is the Internet. I will not believe any one of you posting negative comments in this thread would go to a gathering were people are commiserating his loss and tell them how wrong they are about their opinions and they don't know the truth. Would you still feel that way, yes. Would you express it, yes but you would express it in the appropriate time and place.

pot ~kettle~black :shrug:Believe what you want kiddo.
You berated everyone who made "negative" comments, or didn't think like you do, and I posted a rebuttal with my reasoning.
This isn't even an issue for debate, as far as I'm concerned.
Ethics and morals concerning "Death" vary for different people of different backgrounds and beliefs.
Some attempt to exploit it and elevate an individual in his or her passing (as in this case); while others may use it to discredit the same (again, this occurred within the same thread).
Btw, I find it telling that you completely disregarded the article, but I'm not surprised in the least.
As I posted previously, those who idolize him won't take the time to read it because it says more about them than it does Mr. jobs.
Anyway, I've no more time to spend on this, so :wavey:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 12th, 2011, 10:34 AM
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/349254_460s.jpg

Ashi
Oct 12th, 2011, 12:11 PM
What Everyone Is Too Polite to Say About Steve Jobs.


http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs

hectopascal
Oct 12th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Off topic from the current conversation, but I love this pic

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/comic-riffs/StandingArt/jobsmak.png?uuid=lwqANPLyEeC4Lb8lBMZ5GQ