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VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 28th, 2011, 02:44 PM
A few years ago, we went with what the WTA tour did and reduced the number of players from the YEC from 16 to 8 (and from 8 to 4 in doubles). We did this primarily because of the Tour B championships (international winners).

What would you guys think about increasing the singles players to 12 and the doubles to 6 teams?

Please give me your thoughts, comments, and ideas. :)

LightsOut!
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:10 PM
I wouldn't. I'd make it as similar as real life.
And many people don't send points anyway...
Didn't we vote about this last year?

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:24 PM
For YEC everybody sent in points.

LightsOut!
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:29 PM
But not for Bali.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Only 1 person didn't send last year and that person was replaced with an alternate (Huubere) who won.

LightsOut!
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:36 PM
That must have been two years ago then.
Anyway, I think we should stick to 'real world' but that's only my opinion... let's listen to people.

Drimal
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:10 PM
There's no need to change it in my eyes. :shrug:

S-T-E-V-E
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:32 PM
I like the round-robin-format, but it would be great to have 8 doubles teams, just to have the same number as in singles and why not the same format again? I really don't like how the WTA changed the doubles to 4 teams only...

Kris
Sep 28th, 2011, 05:00 PM
We should play like real tour so no changes in my opinion

martinafan
Sep 28th, 2011, 10:20 PM
We should play like real tour so no changes in my opinion
as long as we get in for doubles ;) haha

Singleniacki
Sep 28th, 2011, 11:14 PM
I like the ATP system best tbh.

8 singles + 8 doubles both following the same round robin format, it means more people get a chance to play and huge amounts of doubles points are determined in 2 matches and really have to earned

Buitenzorg
Sep 28th, 2011, 11:24 PM
YEC Doha

12 singles RR format divided into 4 group, the top player on each group into the SF
8 Teams RR format divided into 2 group, the top team on each group into the final

SEC Bali

8 singles - knockout system

Mattographer
Sep 29th, 2011, 04:10 AM
8 singles and 4 teams.

claypova
Sep 29th, 2011, 04:42 AM
even though my player is irrelevant.

think keeping it like the WTA is better :lol:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 29th, 2011, 02:29 PM
YEC Doha

12 singles RR format divided into 4 group, the top player on each group into the SF
8 Teams RR format divided into 2 group, the top team on each group into the final

SEC Bali

8 singles - knockout system
This is the real WTA Tour?

LightsOut!
Sep 29th, 2011, 02:38 PM
No, it's not!

Buitenzorg
Sep 29th, 2011, 11:26 PM
This is the real WTA Tour?

No, it's not...only my suggestions, not that make any different as I won't be qualify anyway :p :kiss:

No, it's not!

Yes, you are right :p ;)

longtin23
Oct 2nd, 2011, 05:52 AM
I would love to have SEC doubles :)

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 2nd, 2011, 08:48 AM
Here's what I'm thinking:

Singles - 12 players
3 groups of 4 with the winner of each group advancing and 1 who has the best record of the rest

Doubles - 6 teams
2 groups of 3 with the winner of each group advancing to the finals

LightsOut!
Oct 2nd, 2011, 06:18 PM
It's up to you Joshua. I just think it's weird changing every year. And I REALLY think we should stick to real tour.
We did that last year and the year before...

Joseosu19
Oct 2nd, 2011, 06:46 PM
I like the old way of 16 singles players in a single elimination tournament. But then again, I'm old fashioned:).

I definitely think 4 teams is too few for doubles, but then again given my current Race Doubles ranking, I probably am not the most unbiased person.

Broseghini
Oct 2nd, 2011, 07:21 PM
I prefer 8 singles, like the real. But.
I definitely think 4 teams is too few for doubles
+1. :shrug:

Then 8 & 8 :wavey:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 01:24 PM
I like the old way of 16 singles players in a single elimination tournament. But then again, I'm old fashioned:).

I definitely think 4 teams is too few for doubles, but then again given my current Race Doubles ranking, I probably am not the most unbiased person.
I agree, I much prefer the old way and have single-elimination with the event at Madison Square Gardens in NYC :)

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 01:25 PM
It's up to you Joshua. I just think it's weird changing every year. And I REALLY think we should stick to real tour.
We did that last year and the year before...
I love how you preface each of your comments, "It's up to you Joshua..." :)

I guess the final say-so is up to me, but I still want to hear what others have to say. I just have issues with their being only 4 doubles teams.

I don't know, I want opportunities for players to succeed.

LightsOut!
Oct 3rd, 2011, 01:55 PM
How about making a poll?

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 03:23 PM
I've though about it, but I'm still wanting input from everybody else because I only want 2 options.

It may be like "Keep at 8 and 4" or "Expand". If you add more than 2 options, it becomes very hard to figure out what a majority actually wants.

martinafan
Oct 3rd, 2011, 08:49 PM
You could always do a separate poll for singles and doubles, and could put a quantifying statement along the lines of......'A change will only be accepted if more than X% choose a new option'.

You can set that percentage at whatever you like. eg. you may decide that we need at least a two-thirds (67%) majority vote before you make a change......not just the most popular choice....if you know what I mean...

Savior
Oct 3rd, 2011, 08:49 PM
Well, laaaaaaaaast year, Siri and Harper ended up fifth in the doubles race and sorta got the shaft. :) I, too, feel like 4 is a bit small. But, that is how the "real" tour does it.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 4th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Well, laaaaaaaaast year, Siri and Harper ended up fifth in the doubles race and sorta got the shaft. :) I, too, feel like 4 is a bit small. But, that is how the "real" tour does it.
You didn't make it last year? :eek: OMG!

That sucks!

And thanks Dean for the poll idea!

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 5th, 2011, 02:20 AM
Here's what I'm thinking:

Singles - 12 players
3 groups of 4 with the winner of each group advancing and 1 who has the best record of the rest

Doubles - 6 teams
2 groups of 3 with the winner of each group advancing to the finals

I agree with this format.

JustPetko
Oct 5th, 2011, 04:48 PM
This tournament can't be held without giving VIP WildCard for Stefania "Partying > Tennis" Di-Francesca-Beck :oh:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 5th, 2011, 05:20 PM
LOL Stef -- for sure ;)

Pokerface
Oct 8th, 2011, 03:07 AM
i prefer 8 single players and 4 double teams

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Okay, I think I've decided on the format:

Singles
-Top 12 Players Will Qualify
-Each player will be in a group of 4 other players (groups will be weighted so no group has all higher ranked players)
-Players will compete in round-robin event, 3 matches each
-Winner of each group and next "best" player will advance to single-elimination semifinals

Here is how winner of each group is decided
-Most matches won
-Head to head
-Sets won/loss ratio
-Games won/loss ratio
-Surface Preference
-Higher Ranked Player
-Most points earned toward Tour Championships
-Coin Flip

Here is how "next best player" will be decided
-Most matches won
-Sets won/loss ratio
-Games won/loss ratio
-Surface Preference
-Higher Ranked Player
-Most points earned toward Tour Championships
-Coin Flip



In Doubles
-Top 8 teams will qualify
-Teams will be grouped in a round-robin event
-Top 2 teams from each group will advance to semifinals
-Advancements out of group will be determined by the listings above for singles

claypova
Oct 8th, 2011, 07:48 AM
why not just make it 4 groups of 3, whoever is top from the 4 groups makes it into the SF? :shrug:

and i think most people preferred it 8 singles players anyway :shrug:

Geoffry
Oct 8th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Well, there goes the suspense in Ella and Elise's doubles campaign. :p

LightsOut!
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:49 AM
I hate this new format and it makes Nthama think about even earlier retirement.
What I hate most about it, is that you didn't make a poll...
Anyway, you are the boss, so Nthama might simply not play the YEC with those undeserving numbers 9-12... (and I know what I am talking about, I wasn't included last year either). :ras:

adner
Oct 9th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Sylvie refuses to consider any YEC relevant unless the defending champion is given a VIP-card :p

S-T-E-V-E
Oct 9th, 2011, 09:40 AM
I hate this new format and it makes Nthama think about even earlier retirement.
What I hate most about it, is that you didn't make a poll...
Anyway, you are the boss, so Nthama might simply not play the YEC with those undeserving numbers 9-12... (and I know what I am talking about, I wasn't included last year either). :ras:

You are such a drama-queen:rolleyes::o:lol:

Mattographer
Oct 9th, 2011, 10:23 AM
I hate this new format and it makes Nthama think about even earlier retirement.
What I hate most about it, is that you didn't make a poll...
Anyway, you are the boss, so Nthama might simply not play the YEC with those undeserving numbers 9-12... (and I know what I am talking about, I wasn't included last year either). :ras:
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VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:21 AM
FWTT is not nor has it ever been a democracy.

Nthama, you do so much to help keep the tour running and I would love for you to play the championships.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Sylvie refuses to consider any YEC relevant unless the defending champion is given a VIP-card :p
I actually considered making 2 wild cards then decided against it. ;)

Did you win an international event?

Håkon
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:23 AM
I like the groups of 4 instead of groups of 3. It means players are not out after losing the first match, the two best players may be in the same group, and there may be some extra strategy in trying to go for the runner-up spot.

LightsOut!
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:25 AM
Why not just let everybody play the YEC. This is meant to be a tournament for the eight best singles and 8 best doubles players (not teams) in the world and not for everyone. I failed to enter by centimetres last year and I accepted it and I think I deserve to be one of those elite eight this year and now it is simply enlargened. And I don't see any reason why to do so. If you want to make it fair for everyone, make it top eight only or let everybody play but this is just an illogic compromise that doesn't help anybody. Fuck it!

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 9th, 2011, 11:27 AM
There is nothing I can say to convince you of my decision.

I still hope you play the championships, but understand your ultimate decision.

Sam L
Oct 9th, 2011, 12:39 PM
I think we should do what the WTA is doing. Whatever that is. See how good of a tennis fan I am these days?

But I'm one of those that still think the Tour Championships should be 16 players, normal draw. The only time Regla won. :p

adner
Oct 9th, 2011, 02:17 PM
I actually considered making 2 wild cards then decided against it. ;)

Did you win an international event?
Oui, the 5th slam in Quebec. :cool:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 9th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Oh yes, how could I forget. Well done!

LightsOut!
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:09 PM
The WTA's year-end finale will feature the Top 8 singles players and Top 4 doubles teams competing for the coveted title and a share of $5 million in prize money. The WTA and Turkish Tennis Federation's goal is to deliver the best finale in history to fans of women's tennis in Turkey and all over the world.


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S-T-E-V-E
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:12 PM
In the end of the day, THIS IS JUST A GAME ;) I hope you won't forget that Nthama...There are so many bad things happening every day around the world and this is just a game I really enjoy playing...and if you're qualified for the Championships, then get your ass there and play...Jesus, you're qualified and now, because Josh changed the system and there are 4 (!!!) more players included, you're thinking about not playing this very last event?

Nthama, I know that you do a lot for FWTT and everyone appreciates what you do for the game, but please stop making such a drama out of everything you don't agree with.....and, seriously, if you really don't play the YEC even if you're qualified (there are hundreds of players here who would love to change with you), I just think that this would be stupid....really, really stupid and not understandable at all:)

LightsOut!
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:38 PM
I love the drama! :crazy:
Plus, I come from democratic Switzerland and I hate Joshua's dictatorship because I'm used to vote on everything. But that's FWTT :help:.
I simply cannot find any reason for this new rule, does Joshua feel guilty or what? Why not keep it simply like in WTA?
But there are more important things in my life than this stupid game so fuck this conversation.
And I am not planning to win the sportsmanship award (everyone hates me anyway).
I'll have a look at what happens next and then decide whether I play YEC or not :shrug:

S-T-E-V-E
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:57 PM
I love the drama! :crazy:
Plus, I come from democratic Switzerland and I hate Joshua's dictatorship because I'm used to vote on everything. But that's FWTT :help:.
I simply cannot find any reason for this new rule, does Joshua feel guilty or what? Why not keep it simply like in WTA?
But there are more important things in my life than this stupid game so fuck this conversation.
And I am not planning to win the sportsmanship award (everyone hates me anyway).
I'll have a look at what happens next and then decide whether I play YEC or not :shrug:

Dictatorship? How old are you again? Next time, keep attention during history class and don't use words you don't even know the meaning of....especially when you talk about people you haven't even met in real life....

And no, I'm pretty sure there're a lot of people who appreciate your work you do for the game; so please, get over it; it won't be the last time in your life that you have to accept something which you don't like...

King Aaron
Oct 9th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Well, there goes the suspense in Ella and Elise's doubles campaign. :p
:lol:

Well, that just means that you we have to delay your our vacation by a week. :angel:

adner
Oct 9th, 2011, 06:20 PM
I love the drama! :crazy:
Plus, I come from democratic Switzerland and I hate Joshua's dictatorship because I'm used to vote on everything. But that's FWTT :help:.
I simply cannot find any reason for this new rule, does Joshua feel guilty or what? Why not keep it simply like in WTA?
But there are more important things in my life than this stupid game so fuck this conversation.
And I am not planning to win the sportsmanship award (everyone hates me anyway).
I'll have a look at what happens next and then decide whether I play YEC or not :shrug:

Feel free to make your own game and dictate your own rules there. Joshua is managing it voluntarily and if he wanted he could shut this whole business down instead of having to read posts like this one.

Mattographer
Oct 10th, 2011, 01:40 AM
I love the drama! :crazy:
Plus, I come from democratic Switzerland and I hate Joshua's dictatorship because I'm used to vote on everything. But that's FWTT :help:.
I simply cannot find any reason for this new rule, does Joshua feel guilty or what? Why not keep it simply like in WTA?
But there are more important things in my life than this stupid game so fuck this conversation.
And I am not planning to win the sportsmanship award (everyone hates me anyway).
I'll have a look at what happens next and then decide whether I play YEC or not :shrug:
Feel free to resurrect FWTA and run your own. Bye-bye.

Joseosu19
Oct 10th, 2011, 03:31 AM
Give Cucumber Conny a break guys...the great part about FWTT is that you are allowed to voice your opinion:)

Josh does an unbelievably great job, and I think everyone would agree with that. Deep down everyone knows that he only has the tour's well being at heart.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Oct 10th, 2011, 09:11 AM
LOL, this is reminding me of the great FWTT Wars of 2001-2003. :eek:

Thanks for those that are defending my ability to choose how to run the game. I try to not run a TOTAL dictatorship, but I do like to hear what people say and think. It doesn't mean I will always agree on them.

There are even times when I don't agree on something and still let it happen against my own visions of the tour, including things that still happen right now.

And thank you Jose, as well. Every decision I make is to try to improve the game and keep it as the best there is on the boards.

So far, we've been that way since Alx created the game 11 years ago. Like Oprah says, to stay on top you only have to continue being better than you were in the past.

I plan to keep FWTT strong and going for as long as I am able to. Thanks again everyone and Yannik, please play the damn FWTT championships!