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Julian.
Sep 28th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Having a stroke made me gay
by Isabelle Loynes, Daily Mirror 22/09/2011


http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/sep2011/8/2/image-15-for-yourlife-telly-jobs-22-september-2011-gallery-603956195.jpg

Chris Birch was a typical, *laddish, beer-swilling, sport-mad 20-something smitten with his fiancee.

His life wasn’t extraordinary. He worked in a bank, was *planning a wedding with the woman of his dreams and spent his average Saturday watching football with his mates with a pint and a packet of crisps.

But one day, Chris suffered a stroke that he claims completely changed him. Although it may seem incredible, he quit his job, grew to absolutely hate sport and turned gay. His own mother says she barely recognises him as *her son who is now a hairdresser.

“When I look at pictures of myself from before the stroke I look like a different person,” says Chris, 26. “And I know my family feels the same. I’m nothing like the old Chris now.”

He grew up in a rural part of Caerphilly, South Wales and had always been one of the lads. All his mates were rugby lovers and he had a job as a clerk in the local bank. Life had always been pretty *straightforward and he was happily settled with his fiancee.

“I’d always had girlfriends and never really had any problems dating women. I wasn’t exactly a lean hunk but I knew how to talk to women. But the biggest *relationship for me was with my ex, Jemma*. We had been dating for a few years when I proposed and she said yes.

“My family were made up and I could see myself spending the rest of my life with her. I assumed we would get married, settle down and have kids.”

But in 2005, when the couple had a falling out, it led to a life-changing moment for Chris. “We had a silly argument and before I knew it we weren’t speaking at all. We eventually split up but at the time I just assumed we would get back together,” he says.

Chris was sure Jemma would come round so he decided to take his mind off his troubles and hang out with his mates down the pub.

One afternoon, they went to the park to play football and enjoy the sun. Chris was mucking around and to make his friends laugh did a somersault. But something went very wrong.

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“I did the somersault and then all I remember is the excruciating pain running through my body, then *everything went black,” *he recalls.

Chris had landed in an odd position and snapped his neck, which had made his body suffer a stroke. His terrified friends called the paramedics and when Chris arrived in Royal Gwent Hospital his family were waiting for him.

“The first thing I remember is seeing my mum by my bed. It sounds strange but when I came round I immediately felt *different.

“Doctors explained what had happened, that I would need months of physio to get back to how I was before. So to begin with, all my attention was focused on recovery. “When I was finally let out of the hospital I moved back in with Mum and started physio. I had to learn to walk, eat, even speak again and all my family were supporting me, hoping they would see the old Chris come back *soon enough.”

But little did the family know, the old Chris wasn’t ever going to come back, not in the way they expected.

“I had physio for five months and was *really focused but every now and then I would notice my family shooting me a funny look or saying I was different.

“My old friends would come round and visit me but the conversation would dry up straightaway. I wasn’t interested in the rugby scores, going down the pub to watch football or anything else I used *to do.”

As Chris’s friends commented *on the differences in him, his family started to realise how much he had changed and that *the old Chris wasn’t going to come back.

“Everyone said I was more *sarcastic, behaved differently and that even my mannerisms had changed, but to me the way I felt was natural. So I started avoiding seeing my old friends who wanted me to be someone I wasn’t,” he recalls.

But the changes weren’t only in Chris’s personality. Other things about him had started to change, too, things he couldn’t put down to recovering from the accident.

“I was watching TV one day when a really handsome guy came on. I felt my stomach flutter and the same feelings I used to have for pretty girls came across me. I had never felt like that about a man before but I knew immediately what the *feeling was. I fancied him,” Chris says.

At first, he did nothing about his feelings. He was unsure whether they would be *fleeting and just concentrated on getting back to his old life.

“I went back to my job in the bank and tried hard to fit back into things but it didn’t seem right any more. *Suddenly, I hated everything about my old life. I didn’t *get on with my friends, **hated sport and found my **job boring.”

Chris also had a newfound confidence and one night decided to go to a bar by himself to meet new people.

“I got talking to a girl,” he recalls. “She was gorgeous but I just didn’t fancy her. She kissed me but I felt absolutely *nothing. Up until that point I had assumed that maybe I had become bisexual but I *realised that girls were just doing it for me any more.”

Chris’s new friend introduced him to a group of people and he soon swapped his old nights at the pub with the football for all-night dancing in the local clubs.

“She introduced me to her friends and one was a handsome gay guy. I was *immediately attracted to him and despite being nervous flirted with him all night,” Chris says.

“I just went with my feelings. It felt right so I carried on seeing him. I had never been attracted to a man before – I’d never even had any gay friends. But I didn’t care about who I was before, I had to be true to my feelings.

“I continued seeing this man and then one night we slept together. I knew then that *I wasn’t interested in women any more. I was definitely gay.”

Chris also realised he wanted a more *creative job, despite never being interested in this before his stroke. He was offered *redundancy in his banking job, retrained as a hairdresser and started working in a *salon, much to the surprise of his friends *and family.

“My brother had been really supportive but like the rest of my family even he *struggled to understand why I suddenly wanted to be a hairdresser,” Chris says.

The old Chris might have cared what *people thought but the new Chris didn’t and with every change he made, he felt happier. And it wasn’t just Chris’s job that was changing.

“My lifestyle was so much busier that I naturally started to lose a lot of weight. I took more pride in my appearance, bleached my hair and started working out. I went from a 19st skinhead, to a 11st preened man.

“People I used to know barely recognised me and with my new look I became even more confident.”

As the weight started to fall off, Chris’s family struggled to cope with the new *character he had become, so he decided to move out.

“My family, understandably, needed time to get used to the changes in me. It was hard for them. They expected me to recover and go back to being big-bellied Chris, who liked women, sport and beer. They couldn’t work out why I was so different.”

Chris sought advice from his neurologist, who said the changes in his personality, *appearance and sexuality, could all be down to the stroke, opening up a different part of his brain. It explained exactly what had happened to Chris, but rather than be angry about the accident, Chris’s new personality has made him accept what *has happened.

“I think I’m happier than ever, so I don’t regret the *accident. I don’t question *myself *any more and don’t care what people think, I’m just me,” he says.

Chris has been with his new *partner Jack Powell, 19, for 18 months and lives with him above the salon he works in. He says: “I’m happy with the way I am now and although I’m sorry it’s upset my family, I wouldn’t change a thing.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/09/22/having-a-stroke-made-me-gay-115875-23436853/

ElusiveChanteuse
Sep 28th, 2011, 01:03 PM
I actually read that few days ago and thought it was ridiculous.:lol:

Sam L
Sep 28th, 2011, 01:04 PM
I didn't read this whole thing but that's just weird. :lol: Also, why do you have to be gay to not like sports? Or to stop having an interest in sports?

I have to admit I used to be a casual fan of other sports but now I couldn't care less about any sport other than tennis. And even with tennis, I can't watch a match from start to finish unless if it's a women's slam final.

That's a change I've noticed in myself so I was interested in this from that stance.

Just Do It
Sep 28th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Is that really him on the 2nd pic ? He lost like 20 kg ? He looks flaming on 1st pic :sobbing:

*JR*
Sep 28th, 2011, 01:19 PM
I actually read that few days ago and thought it was ridiculous.:lol:

Its seems quite possible, since there's a syndrome where ppl recover from a stroke with a foreign accent, for example. Orientation (like pronunciation) also resides in the brain, so the neurological effects of a stroke could indeed change it.

Like if you ever see me using avatars of male politicians and saying how hot they are, this may then have happened to me. :tape: (Or if I "God forbid" start praising Herr Hofmann for his "positive effect" on the Peppermint Puzzle). :eek:

But if I ever start worshipping @ the altar of Anna Kournikova, "just shoot me". :help:

Julian.
Sep 28th, 2011, 01:26 PM
If this is true, can stroke turn gay people straight as well? hmmm.. :lol:

The Dawntreader
Sep 28th, 2011, 02:08 PM
A stroke of what?

Pump-it-UP
Sep 28th, 2011, 02:13 PM
A stroke of what?

My first thought! :lol:

LeRoy.
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:22 PM
i guess i need to start stroking more straight guys and turn them gay. :drool:

Julian.
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:25 PM
i guess i need to start stroking more straight guys and turn them gay. :drool:

:lol::drool:

pov
Sep 28th, 2011, 03:33 PM
So . . . being gay is the aftereffects of illness?

ico4498
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:35 PM
more likely that he found a convenient ploy to step out of the closet.

Super Dave
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:37 PM
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égalité
Sep 28th, 2011, 04:39 PM
So . . . being gay is the aftereffects of illness?

Ever hear of the case of the woman who acquired a foreign accent after a stroke? Do you think having a foreign accent is the aftereffect of an illness?

Obviously, you're just trying to stir up shit because you have nothing better to do, but on the off chance that you actually believe what you said, maybe this can help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic) :oh:

Dominic
Sep 28th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Ever hear of the case of the woman who acquired a foreign accent after a stroke? Do you think having a foreign accent is the aftereffect of an illness?

Obviously, you're just trying to stir up shit because you have nothing better to do, but on the off chance that you actually believe what you said, maybe this can help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic) :oh:

Time wasted, he has prooven to be hopeless a few times.

Apoleb
Sep 28th, 2011, 06:00 PM
The moral of the story: a stroke can make you a hair dresser, but not necessarily a good one.

Salve
Sep 28th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Negro please...

Mistress of Evil
Sep 28th, 2011, 10:33 PM
He looked better b4 :lol: anyway, I couldn't bring myself to read this whole pile of BS :awww:

ranfurly
Sep 28th, 2011, 11:24 PM
He's Welsh, I wonder if he's the only gay in the villge ;-)

~CANUCK~
Sep 29th, 2011, 12:26 AM
The title of this article should read, having a stroke turned me gay, made me hate sports and made me want to cut hair. Being gay doesn't mean you hate sports and love cutting hair. As a gay man I have no want to cut hair nor the ability to cut peoples hair for a living and I have always been a sports fan.

This really screams of a big excuse to come out of the closet.

Dominic
Sep 29th, 2011, 12:43 AM
The title of this article should read, having a stroke turned me gay, made me hate sports and made me want to cut hair. Being gay doesn't mean you hate sports and love cutting hair. As a gay man I have no want to cut hair nor the ability to cut peoples hair for a living and I have always been a sports fan.

This really screams of a big excuse to come out of the closet.

Great post :worship:

Hurley
Sep 29th, 2011, 03:39 AM
Having a stroke turned me gay too. My stroke was to a picture of Marky Mark.

new-york
Sep 29th, 2011, 04:17 AM
Where did he get that wig.

Macomere
Sep 29th, 2011, 04:20 AM
which one, downstroke?....

hablo
Sep 29th, 2011, 04:22 AM
:speakles: @ that article!

Its seems quite possible, since there's a syndrome where ppl recover from a stroke with a foreign accent, for example. Orientation (like pronunciation) also resides in the brain, so the neurological effects of a stroke could indeed change it.



Ever hear of the case of the woman who acquired a foreign accent after a stroke? Do you think having a foreign accent is the aftereffect of an illness?



I've read about that... :p

Pump-it-UP
Sep 29th, 2011, 04:23 AM
Where did he get that wig.


Antoine Dodson's shop

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/13242/2010/11/340x_picture_8_02.jpg

Super Dave
Sep 29th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Antoine Dodson's shop

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/13242/2010/11/340x_picture_8_02.jpg

No wonder George Lopez's show was canceled.

Stamp Paid
Sep 29th, 2011, 05:30 PM
A stroke of what?Cackle. Exactly :lol:

LoveFifteen
Sep 29th, 2011, 06:55 PM
People will say whatever is necessary when a newspaper is paying them for their quotes. :rolls:

miffedmax
Sep 29th, 2011, 08:31 PM
The title of this article should read, having a stroke turned me gay, made me hate sports and made me want to cut hair. Being gay doesn't mean you hate sports and love cutting hair. As a gay man I have no want to cut hair nor the ability to cut peoples hair for a living and I have always been a sports fan.

This really screams of a big excuse to come out of the closet.

:worship:

Yes. The sooner idiots of the world get these two things through there head 1) there is nothing wrong with being gay and nothing anyone can do about it if they are and 2)there is no way you can tell if a person is gay from their interests, their friends or their talents the better off we all will be.

Djezonfly
Sep 29th, 2011, 09:01 PM
2)there is no way you can tell if a person is gay from their interests, their friends or their talents the better off we all will be.

That's not true tho. A guy whose main diva is Britney, who loves figure skating and who always hangs out with a bunch of girls is most definitely gay. There are always signs that someone is gay, and thank god for that, cuz otherwise it would be impossible for us to date.

BUT, and that's what I think you meant, just because some gay guy listens to Britney doesn't mean that every gay guy in the world has to listen to her (they can also listen to Kylie j/k :p) Like my math teacher used to say : "Every Ferrari is red but a red car isn't necessarily a Ferrari. " :angel:

Of course some guys are less obvious than others but saying there is no way you can tell if a person is gay from their interests, appearance, etc. is wrong imo. It's nice that you show that you're open minded but let's not be too naive about it. ;)

delicatecutter
Sep 29th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Well said, Jason!

Djezonfly
Sep 29th, 2011, 09:25 PM
TY bb!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5zhfU74Q4S0/ToIT2YR9-cI/AAAAAAAACeE/re-v-lV-YSw/bgc7-judi-kiss.gif

miffedmax
Sep 29th, 2011, 10:00 PM
That's not true tho. A guy whose main diva is Britney, who loves figure skating and who always hangs out with a bunch of girls is most definitely gay. There are always signs that someone is gay, and thank god for that, cuz otherwise it would be impossible for us to date.

BUT, and that's what I think you meant, just because some gay guy listens to Britney doesn't mean that every gay guy in the world has to listen to her (they can also listen to Kylie j/k :p) Like my math teacher used to say : "Every Ferrari is red but a red car isn't necessarily a Ferrari. " :angel:

Of course some guys are less obvious than others but saying there is no way you can tell if a person is gay from their interests, appearance, etc. is wrong imo. It's nice that you show that you're open minded but let's not be too naive about it. ;)

Actually, my point was--as a straight guy who was pegged as being "gay" when I was a kid--exactly what I said. Because just as you said, there are degrees and every person is different. Some gay guys meet every stereotype for being gay, and some straight guys of being straight. But there straight men who enjoy Britney and maybe either ice skating and hanging out with a bunch of girls (yeah, you're right, probably not all 3) and there are some gay guys who like "rugged" sports and country-and-western and whatever.

So yes, some of the time you'll be right, and some of the time you'll be wrong. But even if you're right 95% of the time, it's still wrong to make assumptions based on stereotypes.

Tripp
Sep 30th, 2011, 12:01 AM
I had a 2-hour nap today and woke up an atheist.

Inger67
Sep 30th, 2011, 12:32 AM
I don't see why all of you are dismissing this so easily? You actually don't think this is possible at all? If it triggered a different part of his brain then surely it's possible right? Like a poster said, there was a girl who woke up from a stroke and had a foreign accent. :shrug: There are quite a few cases of that.

ranfurly
Sep 30th, 2011, 01:14 AM
The difference in pictures heh, the one where he looks like he's at a pub as if he's a beer swindling, rugby watchign welshman, then the next makes him look as camp as a shit house rat!

Julian.
Sep 30th, 2011, 07:19 PM
I don't see why all of you are dismissing this so easily? You actually don't think this is possible at all? If it triggered a different part of his brain then surely it's possible right? Like a poster said, there was a girl who woke up from a stroke and had a foreign accent. :shrug: There are quite a few cases of that.

Not all of us :lol:

Dominic
Oct 1st, 2011, 03:02 AM
That's not true tho. A guy whose main diva is Britney, who loves figure skating and who always hangs out with a bunch of girls is most definitely gay. There are always signs that someone is gay, and thank god for that, cuz otherwise it would be impossible for us to date.

BUT, and that's what I think you meant, just because some gay guy listens to Britney doesn't mean that every gay guy in the world has to listen to her (they can also listen to Kylie j/k :p) Like my math teacher used to say : "Every Ferrari is red but a red car isn't necessarily a Ferrari. " :angel:

Of course some guys are less obvious than others but saying there is no way you can tell if a person is gay from their interests, appearance, etc. is wrong imo. It's nice that you show that you're open minded but let's not be too naive about it. ;)

You are partly right but I know a lot of straight guys who love Britney Spears and Adele.. And they're really straight.

delicatecutter
Oct 1st, 2011, 03:05 AM
You are partly right but I know a lot of straight guys who love Britney Spears and Adele.. And they're really straight.

But do they also love figure skating and always hang out with a lot of girls?

Dominic
Oct 1st, 2011, 03:11 AM
But do they also love figure skating and always hang out with a lot of girls?

Figure skating no, but I'm sure some secretly do and yes a couple of them hang out with girls as well as guys.

delicatecutter
Oct 1st, 2011, 03:19 AM
Well, the point of Jason's post was that maybe not one trigger is an indicator (although honestly a Britney fan is a pretty huge one IMO) but if there are several, then those interests can pretty much lead to assuming one is gay and you would be 99% correct.

Julian
Oct 2nd, 2011, 03:38 AM
I don't see why all of you are dismissing this so easily? You actually don't think this is possible at all? If it triggered a different part of his brain then surely it's possible right? Like a poster said, there was a girl who woke up from a stroke and had a foreign accent. :shrug: There are quite a few cases of that.


Total agreement. A stroke can really affect the part of the brain that influences the person's personality and interests. I did not read the entire article fully but I think it is also entirely possible!

delicatecutter
Oct 2nd, 2011, 03:41 AM
*dead* at the other Julian weighing in. What are the odds? :sobbing:

Julian.
Oct 2nd, 2011, 04:36 AM
I didn't know I got a twin brother in this forum :speakles::sobbing:

Sally Struthers
Oct 2nd, 2011, 06:13 PM
I don't see why all of you are dismissing this so easily? You actually don't think this is possible at all? If it triggered a different part of his brain then surely it's possible right? Like a poster said, there was a girl who woke up from a stroke and had a foreign accent. :shrug: There are quite a few cases of that.

I think this is entirely possible. After a stroke, who knows how his brain started "rewiring" itself and what side effects it might have produced. Any interruption of blood (oxygen) to the brain can cause physical and psychological changes that may be permanent.

Apoleb
Oct 2nd, 2011, 06:17 PM
I wonder why the article didn't specify any particular lesion, or where the ischemia/hypoxia happened in the brain. If it's true, I think this is a first. That guy should be recruited for some imaging studies.

edit:

There's an opposing case. A gay guy turned straight after his stroke in his 50s. Now there's much less reason to discredit this one.

So for the tard name pov: apparently being straight is also a consequence of an illness. :oh:

Case Report
The patient, a 57-year-old right-handed man, sustained his first cerebral vascular accident in the right middle cerebral artery region at the age of 45, which resulted in right-sided hemiparesis that resolved completely within 3 months. He continued to run his private business successfully while living with his mother.
The patient lost his father in early childhood. There was no evidence of an emotional or conduct disorder during school years, and the patient eventually obtained his university degree. He continued to manage his successful practice until he sustained the second cerebral vascular accident in the left middle cerebral artery region at age 53.
The patient became aware of his homosexual orientation in his early teens and had several gay partners. He suffered a major depressive episode at age 26 that resolved within a few months. He also had a diagnosis of excessive harmful use of alcohol, but there was no evidence of dependence.
The patient started complaining of his changed personality and heterosexual orientation 6 months after his second stroke. At the same time he complained of excessive mood swings and changed interests. He became preoccupied with photography and had a successful photographic exhibition a year after his second stroke. His sexual orientation remained heterosexual 4 years following the second stroke, and he preferred to describe himself as bisexual because of his previous homosexual orientation.
Discussion
The mechanism by which a person acquires his sexual orientation is complex and ranges from pure psychological theories to more complex biological concepts. Our patient was aware of his homosexual orientation beginning in his early teens. He always enjoyed his gay relationships and had had at some point a live-in partner. He grew up with an absent father and had a strong bond with his mother. He went back to live with his mother after separating from his partner 4 years before his first stroke. It is unlikely that his psychological reaction to his first and/or second stroke could explain his altered sexual orientation, and his sexuality was accepted by his social network and family members.
Taking into consideration the interval between his first and second stroke, it is likely that an organic process within the left middle cerebral artery region is the cause of his altered sexual orientation.
The sexual needs of patients suffering from a brain injury are centered on hyper- and hyposexuality rather than altered sexual orientation. The alteration of sexual orientation raises serious challenges to patients and their care. It may be essential to address the issue of sexual orientation in assessing patient needs following brain injury in addition to other possible behavioral changes that might be encountered.

http://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/short/21/3/353?rss=1

Brett.
Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:37 PM
this article shows that being gay isn't a choice.

Patrick S
Oct 3rd, 2011, 06:58 PM
I know for a fact that a stroke can drasticly change a person´s personality, so i think the story is quite plausible. My grandfather had a stroke last year, and his personality changed completely. He used to be extremely active and social, but after the stroke he´s lost all interest in the things he used to love to do and he´s become very introvert and hardly says a word to anyone.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 3rd, 2011, 10:27 PM
I was initially gonna say I hate this guy, but maybe there's something to this. :shrug:

stevos
Oct 4th, 2011, 12:46 AM
I'm not sure why anyone cares?

Mashabator
Oct 4th, 2011, 03:17 AM
i guess i need to start stroking more straight guys and turn them gay. :drool:

:haha:

Macomere
Oct 4th, 2011, 04:32 AM
so thats what it was....i just thought it was gas... :oh:

Julian.
Oct 17th, 2011, 03:37 PM
I'm not sure why anyone cares?

This is TF duh. :p